And Some Bad News For David Einhorn...

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Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:01 | 944682 tellsometruth
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The Patiot Act Provisions just got renewed til Dec of this year and the WH released a Statement that they would like a 3 YEAR EXTENTION!

btw anyone whatch this one on CSPAN Live??? I only heard one comment called in support of it on all 3 party lines ...


ps I got on air


Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:03 | 944687 tellsometruth
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Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:40 | 944790 whatsinaname
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I have a goofy feeling that Einhorn is actually net long on this even though he was tooting the short horn. Meanwhile his other recommendation on the same call (Sprint) is languishing as nobody ever wants to give them their best star phones (first the Moto Razr and now the Apple Iphone). poor Sprint..

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:02 | 944829 I think I need ...
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I don't think it matters in the end hes long physical gold

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:25 | 944871 JoeStocks
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Keep in mind...from January 10th...

(Reuters) - St. Joe Co, the largest private landholder in northern Florida, said on Monday the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission launched an informal inquiry into its policies relating to impairment of investment in real estate assets.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 00:42 | 945492 Thomas
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I saw his presentation and found it rather compelling. I wouldn't count David out just yet.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:05 | 944693 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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It's patriotic to put your trust in a proven terroristic, genocidal, lying, manipulative self-serving bunch of thieves that call themselves government... how novel. Interesting times.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 23:44 | 945309 spekulatn
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Can we get GW to write a puff piece on why this is patriotic?


Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:10 | 944705 Michael
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News Update; Nice Win for us.

House blocks extension of certain Patriot Act provisions.

So far, the only news I have on this issue is this.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:15 | 944722 tellsometruth
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"Lone Wolf" provision fail...

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:23 | 944742 Michael
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Tea Party Review debuts at CPAC in Washington DC

February 11, 2011

I hope many of the writing contributions comes from Zero Hedge.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:11 | 944848 Michael
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By a vote of 277-148, the House failed to pass the extension, needed 290(2/3) Yea votes to pass- click here for the roll call vote to see how your representative voted!  See list of traitors of our nation here.

Thanks again for all you've done, but remember, we can't let up pressure now. This won't be the last we've heard of the PATRIOT Act renewal in the House.


      H R 514      2/3 YEA-AND-NAY      8-Feb-2011      7:04 PM
      QUESTION:  On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
      BILL TITLE: To extend expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 relating to access to business records, individual terrorists as agents of foreign powers, and roving wiretaps until December 8, 2011

                  Yeas Nays NV
Republican 210  26        5
Democratic 67   122       4

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 22:48 | 945128 hbjork1
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Thanks for the link Michael.

Saves time for lazy people like me.  My Rep is going to hear about this.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 03:14 | 945717 StychoKiller
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I'd like to think that my email to Tim Walz (D-MN) persuaded him to vote against this, I'd also like to think that Sandra Bullock is secretly pining for my body also! :>D

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 14:18 | 946987 tamboo
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put down the tea party koolaid and walk away,
thank you.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:14 | 944716 topcallingtroll
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This might be another kbr moment but a smaller pop. Swing traders take note.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:11 | 944844 B9K9
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Hey Tyler, you want some bad news?

WikiLeaks cables: Saudi Arabia cannot pump enough oil to keep a lid on prices US

Diplomat convinced by Saudi expert that reserves of world's biggest oil exporter have been overstated by nearly 40%

Paging Travis, Trav7777 to the white courtesy phone.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:19 | 944859 Michael
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Don't worry. The 22.5% unemployed won't be using much of it in the foreseeable future.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 03:15 | 945718 StychoKiller
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Maybe not to get around, but heating a house is still mandatory here in MN!

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:27 | 944721 AN0NYM0US
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there ain't nothing like Forida swampland... I mean wetlands


Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:34 | 944768 Rainman
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yes, the old cons are still the best, but only most of the time. Groucho Marx lost it all chasing the FL land flip many decades ago....along with many, many others. 

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:15 | 944723 no life
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Confusion to the enemy..

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:16 | 944740 Midas Mulligan
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He who sells what isn't his'n...

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:28 | 944752 Quinvarius
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This is a pop to short.  Obviously they have no plan.  This is panic mode.  Maybe they make aquisitions?  Maybe they sell themselves?  What kind of clown PR is this?  Anyhow, they are screwed because someone is going to be looking at the books either way.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:40 | 944788 prophet
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No doubt similar to the pop in mid-December from 18 to 22.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:36 | 944895 Quinvarius
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Good point.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:31 | 944761 going country o...
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i have a mortgage that 'tracks' the ECB interest rates. what advice can anyone give?

how much silver is needed to be 'safe' when the SHTF?


Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:31 | 944762 buzzsaw99
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anyone who sells shares they don't own deserves whatever they get.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:34 | 944771 DonutBoy
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Hmmm...    If the company was sold or about to be sold there'd be no need for this announcement.  I'm not clear how this shows Einhorn to be wrong.  I take it as confirmation by St. Joe management that he's largely right, St. Joe cannot continue to operate as currently structured.

It looks more to me like Berkowitz caused the board to act.  Perhaps he'd like an opportunity to get out.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 22:58 | 945158 Ned Zeppelin
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Count me as confused as well. Einhorn's statements about the overvaluations of St. Joe's land holdings seemed dead on accurate to me. I think he was right. 

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:40 | 944787 assumptionblindness
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“We have engaged Morgan Stanley to undertake a comprehensive and thorough review of all available alternatives, and our Board and management are committed to taking the appropriate and necessary actions to enhance value for St. Joe shareholders.”

Translation:  We have decided to pay Morgan Stanley a large sum of money for advice as to how we can better conceal our insolvent status, and our Board and management are desperately selling as many shares as possible under the guise of 'enhanced value for St. Joe shareholders.'  Operation "Burn Einshorn"  has officially begun.

P.S. - Our thanks to Mr. Einhorn for this opportunity to turn lemons into sweet and ever-so-refreshing short squeezed lemonade.  

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:47 | 944809 Ein Stein
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Please take note:

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 03:17 | 945720 StychoKiller
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About the only good news I've heard about in quite some time. :>)

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:55 | 944816 NOTW777
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TRC might also pop on this news - massive pennant formed under $27

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 20:57 | 944819 Withdrawn Sanction
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The St. Joe Company has just announced it has engaged Morgan Stanley to pursue "strategic alternatives to enhance shareholder value."

Alternative Translation:  Not having a clue how to enhance shareholder value (strategically or otherwise), we hired these guys over here...who dont know how to do it ieither...unless you consider rolling little old ladies for their pensions, "strategic value enhancement."

Good show, St Joe; St Mary would be so proud of your "engagement."

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:11 | 944845 I am a Man I am...
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WTF is morgan stanley gonna do, plant flowers at the entrance of the empty subdivisions??  gimme a fucking break, st. joe might as well as held up a "we're fucked" sign

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:34 | 944891 Reese Bobby
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Everybody is wrong sometimes but Einhorn is an extremely thoughtful investor, and has remained so during this period mass investor insanity.  I would guess he is happy to get a chance to see what Morgan Stanley can do for St. Joe.  I would bet he is not scared by the prospect...

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 22:08 | 944982 I am a Man I am...
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if they sell their properties they are going to have to sell for cheap, i am very familiar with the florida panhandle and it has slowed way down, great property and a beautiful area.


but if these numbers are correct they are in a world of hurt and morgan stanley can't polish a turd

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 23:00 | 945167 Reese Bobby
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I expect you know more than Morgan Stanley.  At the same time JOE picked the right time to try doing something.  Money is cheap and the Chinese are the new Japanese: they'll buy most anything.  This should be an interesting story to watch.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 23:36 | 945278 I am a Man I am...
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morgan stanley wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the government tit.  JOE picked the right time to do what?  the land/housing market is way down, timing is terrible, they are broke for a reason.

there is one thing that you can buy on the cheap with money, and that is land and housing. so far einhorn is correct, these guys are broke and going to ms is raising the white flag.

this will be interesting though..

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:28 | 944874 bob_dabolina
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This is so the original ending of WS.

Where Bud Fox goes behind Gekkos back and fucks him.

God damn Blue Horseshoe.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:58 | 944960 onarga74
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GG- "It's all about money.  Everything else is just conversation."

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:28 | 944879 Godisanhftbot
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I would never follow a loud short into anything unless it was for 10 minutes in some Chinese supposed fraud.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 21:51 | 944935 Hephasteus
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Well then John Nadler and Blythe Masters hate you.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 22:04 | 944939 Jasper M
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So, Morgan Stanley is on the case? Gosh, I guess that Is pretty bad news for Mr. Einhorn & co., seeing as Morgan Stanley's leadership has such a good track record of financial acumen . . . wait . . . no . . .

Seems to me the only way MS can really help St. Joe is if they figure out a way to share with them the pipeline into the lake of taxpayer dollars that MS has.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 22:36 | 945093 Cursive
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Some kind of dividend recap or other PE restructuring scam?  Cash for the elites now, bankruptcy for the commons down the road.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 23:11 | 945202 zero intelligence
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I agree with Einhorn's thesis that St. Joe is a cash burning, land-selling blob of nothing that will self-liquidate in about ten years. However, in the meantime, it is a blank slate on which people can project their fantasies, among them the "hard asset" fantasy since it is a cheap land play. A bad short.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 23:42 | 945304 wisefool
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Is this the company that bought all that northern florida real estate with the "cant lose" "plan B" of turning it into citrus and other warm weather agriculture if housing demand slipped and/or all the development in the southern part (where they torn down the orginal orchards) got all filled up with homeowners? I would not short  the stock. They make one call to Al Gore and the weather will be perfect for growing oranges and grapefruits in north florida/southern Georgia.

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 00:43 | 945493 antidisestablis...
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I'd say the only "strategic alternative to enhance shareholder value" would be the implementation of a massive short squeeze.

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