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The Anniversary of 9/11
Don't want to hear this?
Tough. Grow up.
9/11 Commissioners:
- The 9/11 Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
- 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I
don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the
Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions
about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
- 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
- 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One
of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11
issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover
it up"
- 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There
are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to
what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also said
that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al
Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking
- And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described
.... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been
told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is
not true." And he said:
"It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word.
There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of
9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations
were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
If even the 9/11 Commissioners don't buy the official story, why do you?
Senior intelligence officers:
- Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers".
He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her
allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning
government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious
questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials]
knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that
engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the
scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence
to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas
and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)
- A
27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and
personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan
and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials
(Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
- A
29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and
former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis
(William Bill Christison) said “I
now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September
did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would
have us believe (and see this)
- A
number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer
who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence
efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne
Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious
shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission
Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were
ignored)
- A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who
Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called
"perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and
whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning
motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job
- The
Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as
Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of
International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004
(Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup"
If even our country's top intelligence officers don't buy the official story, why do you?
Congressmen:
- According
to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head
of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an
FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000
and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI
refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a
high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
- Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The
two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11
happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was
going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"
- Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
- Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11
- Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
- Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11
- Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation
- Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn't believe the official version of events
- Former
U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed
Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the
Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown
that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren't you questioning it?
Other government officials:
- U.S.
General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme
Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star,
and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've
never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the
administration actually misused the intelligence information it had.
The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time"
- Former
Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and
Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task
Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State
Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who
of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
- Former
Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department
of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S.
Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media
commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says
"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to
9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA
or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence"
- The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
- Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt"
- The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
If top government officials are skeptical, why aren't you?
Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government's version of 9/11.
Note 1: Yes, this does have to do with economics and business. Nobel prize economist Joe Stiglitz just said
that the Iraq war is partly responsible for our bad economy. Many
forget, but the Iraq war was "legally" justified by the claim that Iraq
had a hand in 9/11. See this. And 9/11 has had a profound affect on the economy in many other ways as well. See this.
Note 2: This essay does not argue any theory of what did happen on 9/11; it only points out from credible sources that no thorough investigation has ever been conducted.
Note 3: As always, the views expressed herein do not necessarily reflect
those of the owners of the Zero Hedge site. In fact, I have no idea
whether they agree or disagree with any point made herein.
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Denial Hack, please re-read the original article. Using your brain this time.
I simply have to laugh at the absurdity of your position.
According to the accepted, state-sponsored wisdom on the incident, the September 11 attacks WERE a conspiracy! It just happened to be a conspiracy of 19 Arab hijackers, along with all those, presumably numbering in the dozens or hundreds, who funded, directed and contributed to the operation over several years --- and who were completely successful in their wide-ranging conspiracy. So what makes you automatically accept this conspiracy as real, but any other suggested one is dismissed as impossible?
Really, your cop friend is a complete idiot. Where did this establishment-apologist meme ever come from that conspiracies are impossible in the first place? Conspiracies are all around us, and always have been! Every top-level business plan, every covert military operation, every police investigation, all aspects of "national intelligence" work, the entire witness protection program, all organized crime ---- they are ALL conspiracies! Shit, D-Day was a conspiracy involving over a million men --- and it succeeded brilliantly! You overlook the fact that a conspiracy can easily be successful, and successfully kept hidden or covered up, when it is in the self-interest of all involved that it be so!
Dump this ridiculously flawed idea that "conspiracies are impossible" already --- it is intellectually insulting, completely nonsensical, and refuted by history and current events daily.
Freddie, my man, (and other bright bulbs presenting brilliant arguments to this point) did you even bother to read the text George wrote:
If you think 19 fanatics could do it, why couldn't 19 (or thereabouts) someone elses? How difficult is it to 'disappear' 19 (or thereabouts) people, regardless of who they are, let alone low/zero profile types to begin with? Occam's razor can cut both ways, you know.
oh jesus, i can't believe i am gonna waste 3 minutes of my life on this, but here ya go:
in the first case the conspirators and their backers CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY, and actually had a reason for the attack. No cover up required.
in the second case you are trying to say that some people actually did the crime, for some ridiculous reasons, to benefit a MASSIVE number of other people (the entire military/industrial complex) AND YET NOT ONE OF THE CONSPIRATORS or any of their backers, friends or enemies has ever spoken 1 word about it.
It would make any journalist's career instantly, plus many, many millions of dollars, instantly, yet NOT ONE WORD...
I'm glad you guys spend all your time obsessing over these things, i'm sure it keeps you away from doing real damage with your ak 47s and all.
Check this out!
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
FBI's most wanted page for Osama bin Laden. I'd think that this would be a pretty authorative source for identifying what crimes he's suspected of being involved in. Why would the FBI NOT list him as being involved in 9/11 if that were the case? Could it be that the FBI doesn't believe that there is evidence?
The fact that nothing about 9/11 is mentioned leave a bit of a question, does it not? You'd think that it would be a BIG enticement for folks to be on the lookout for bin Laden.
But you can continue to believe that 19 cave dwellers armed with nothing but box cutters were able to defeat a multi-billion dollar security system. It's simply amazing what Hollywood has been able to instill in the minds of the masses! Hook, line and sinker, Edward Bernays would be proud!
The fact that nothing about 9/11 is mentioned leave a bit of a question, does it not?
No. Who are you to speak for the FBI? Because they didn't do A, that means B?? You dare presume to know the FBI's motives for anything? The FBI, it's mission, and it's motives are not defined by you. Neither is any other government agency. I think you don't know that you don't know.
and methinks that you know that you don't know but you know to not know that you do know to not know.
know what i mean?
There is no point in continuing the conversation if you refuse to (for the sake of argument) accept the hypothetical possibility that the other side might be right, or that facts could be presented to change your mind. I have no idea whether it was 19 or 1900, THOSE 19 or some other 19 who perpetrated. I merely said that the 'stated official' storyline relies on a WHOLE lot of presuppositions warned against by Occam (Ockham), not a whit less than a whole string of alternate versions presented.
The other point you are intentionally failing to catch is that it is very, very easy to erase a relatively small number of people with direct, first-hand knowledge. It is not even necessarily needed to physically kill them. Who, if they stood up and shouted from the rooftops that THEY were one of the crew, would be believed?
You're really out of your gourd. Such a pronouncement would gain understanding shakes of the head (poor deranged fellow) or thorazine, or a simple swimming pool accident -- depending on the level of knowledge and proof. It does not, in the end, really matter, who the specific tools were that were used to execute the event.
All is well, there is no curtain, let alone a man behind it. Go about your business, move along.
If I had 19 people that I could trust with my life and who would take orders unquestioningly, I'd rule the world in 2 weeks.
No you wouldn't.
You Can't Handle the 9/11 Truth: Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Explains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfM0cwouTE
hey GW i'd be careful if i were you, those black ops guys are gonna be paying you a visit!
stay away from the windows! and whatever you do, DON'T GO INTO THE HOT TUB!!
LOL
some interesting aspects of 9/11:
> W's cousin running the company responsible for security at the WTC complex
> asbestos cleanup of the towers put off for several years - cleanup cost estimated in the billions - neither the Port Authority nor the insurance companies were willing to foot the bill for the cleanup
> lots of construction work going on in the towers during the months prior to 9/11
> increasing vacancy rate in towers prior to 9/11
> Silverstein talking on camera about building 7: "we decided to pull it" - a term used when performing a controlled implosion of a building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
> nano-thermite found in the dust after the collapse
> never in the history of the world has a steel-framed high rise building collapsed due to fire but on 9/11 three of them do so after fires burned for a very short time - other high rise fires raged for hours without causing a collapse
> after three steel-framed high rise buildings collapse due to fire (which had never occurred before), the steel remains are sold to scrap companies who guaranteed that the steel would be melted down quickly - no forensic engineering was allowed on this steel so building architects and engineers could prevent future collapses
> buildings collapse to dust, fire burns to ashes yet passports of the supposed terrorists are found intact and unsinged on New York streets
I could go on but what's the point - you either suspect the truth by now or you are still asleep
When you really stop and think about the bullshit you just wrote, then it becomes obvious that there is no conspiracy.
Nobody has a clear answer for this question....
What was the big prize for staging 9/11 ?
"What was the big prize for staging 9/11 ?"
Rosebud.
"What was the big prize for staging 9/11 ?"
the economy and markets topped in 1999/2000 - by the time 9/11 occurred the markets were down over 20% from the peak
9/11 ushered in the next chapter of flagrant monetary debasement and all of the related games
edit: and hid the fact that 1999/2000 was the peak
thanks for making my point for me.^That is garbage
Point? YOU HAVE NO POINT! You're "contributions," are non-existent. If I wanted to hear a bunch of BS I'd replay the "Iraq had WMD" crap!
Why is it that I think that you've got a hidden agenda, one that's covering up some ugly ideology? It's either that or your are REALLY, REALLY stupid!
When I was growing up the "Military Industrial Complex" (see Eisenhower) got the little kids to hide under their desks because they were afraid of those Scary Russians. Then they went home and scared the hell out of mom and dad. Trillions of dollars went into building nukes and b52's and all sorts of related stuff and guess who got rich. When the Russians went broke the "industrial Complex" needed another gig. 911 was a made for tv special. After the first plane went in within minutes every eye in the world was focused on the WTC. Next plane went in and "We're Under Attack". The buildings go down in front of a massive tv audience and the "Terrorism Industrial Complex" is born. This mass hysteria can be occasionaly stimulated by changing the terrorist signal color or by arresting some guy in Times Square for having a couple of BBQ tanks and some firecrackers in his car.
The prise is an unending war against 'terrorism' that allows the power elite to justify pretty much any kind of new population control mechanism, and they know they will need it as the Global Ponzi scheme comes to an end
So the US has no real enemies ?
Just fake ones ?
Absolutely the US has real enemies, chief among them the global central banking elite, and more locally, the Federal Reserve and the federal government itself. Some cave-dwelling religious fanatics are, oh, about #4387 down the list of threats to our liberties and way of life.
What was the big prize for staging 9/11
the prize was ..a pearl harbor type event.
that galvanized amerika to go to war against an invisible enemy ..
a reason to fire up the war machine and make the military industrial complex a bunch of money ..
to beat the unwashed masses in to a frenzy to go get them bad guys in Afghanistan
when in reality.. only had to go to white house to find the real bad guys ..
to spend trillions ..on new and improved home land security..
911 was controlled thermite demolition..
"architects and engineers for 911 truth" have proved this scientifically
911 ..the terrible truth ...a sad day for amerika ...
Thats what I thought, there is no definative answer to the question.
There is nothing definative about your stupid fucking answer.
Yup, nothing that will stick in your hole-for-a-brain head.
In order for you to believe in the CRAP that you have been fed (and believe in) you'd have to believe that gravity doesn't exist! Hey, are you one of those people that believes that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time? Perhaps a direct decendent of those who thought that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the earth was flat?
And there is nothing to answer about you being fucking stupid!
spitzer
you have a foul mouth..
and more than likely a small brain..
violence and profanity
are the last resort
of a limited mind .
you have just proved
your own ignorance ..
enjoy ..
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo
You got it bro. D.D. Eisenhower warned of this long ago.
That pay off for this event...souls lost...evil. Clearly the work of the devil. Without that sort of context, none of this will make sense.
Until America roots out the rot and evil that governs it, the markets and the economy don't stand a chance at recovery. It's all about oil folks and that commodity is in limited supply and is in decline. There are more muslims and more Chinese and more Indians and more Asians than America can shake a stick at.
+911
No one ever said Iraq had a hand in 9/11... it was just decided that in a post-9/11 world, the risk was too high to let a known enemy like Saddam sit on a trillion in potential oil wealth. He did team up with al qaeda eventually, as enemies with a common foe often do.
Anyway, more drivel and unfounded hysteria from George Washington. As per usual, his posts are like a dog turd in the otherwise pleasant park that is zero hedge.
100+ This is a sad post pre the Day of Remembrace.
There will always be tails and some long and tall about an event the magnitude of 9/11. Yes, we all 'should' look at our blind spots, notice them if we can. And even PH-'40 had issues about it. At some point, you stop and get to it. Stop the Islamo-fascists. End it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiNtpIpD6k
What WILL stop is this Russian Roulette called the "American Dream." Have fun battling all those hobgobblins.
how does one have a "Day of Remembrace"(sic) without acknowledging, understanding what occurred?
is this like celebrating Easter with a basket of candy eggs?
Hey! Nothing says Jesus like a pink rabbit carrying eggs and marshmallow chickens.
And I don't care if you're gay or straight. You're not married till one of you is waring a diamond ring.. Do NOT anger commerce.
Oh no, Peeps! Egads! Who could possibly put such vile garbage into their mouths? Even as a child, I thought they were the most hideously artificial crap imaginable. I am now convinced that they are born in the bowels of Hell, and are the confectionary spawn of Satan himself!
The only way that they could make Peeps even worse would be if they came in beet and horseradish flavors.
Then coated and deep fried!!!!!!
www.ae911truth.org
us intelligence with other co-conspirators destroyed the wtc in a controlled demoliton using nanothermite for several important reasons:
1. the night of long knives was needed to pass the nazi patriot act
2. saddam hussein and osama bin laden - aka tim osman - were very close business partners of the bushes who were a threat and failed to deliver the pipeline across the middle east to india and china....seems afghanistan would not cooperate.
3. there was massive evidence which one high ranking fbi agent had which linked the bushes to enron, carlyle group (which the bushes run), bechtel (or whatever it is now called), and a host of other cia fronts.
4. said fbi agent was transfered to wtc-1 a week before the destruction, and the evidence was in wtc-7. ae911.org has a video clip of a reporter announcing the building's destruction 20 minutes before it occurred....
5. neil bush - who should have been a convicted felon - took out massive amounts of insurance on the building shortly before the demolition as was conveniently on the board of directors of the wtc.
6. aaron russo told about the destruction of the wtc months before it happened when nick rockefeller gave him a sneak preview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
and if anyone thinks that indonesian citizen obama is not part of the conspiracy - yes, virginia, there such things as conspiracies - he is deluded....
"nazi patriot act"
This is the real meat and potatoes in your "stew."
"said fbi agent was transfered to wtc-1 a week before the destruction,"
Not exactly. For the record let's clear this up (though it doesn't change the basic facts).
The person was John O'Neill. He was the top FBI agent in tracking al Qaeda operations. He resigned from the FBI over frustration of being obstructed, with the final straw him being rebuked for a promotion (one can, however, argue whether he should or shouldn't have been promoted).
Shortly after leaving the FBI O'Neill landed the job of being in charge of security for the WTC complex. His first day on the job? 9/11/2001.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
Given that Osama bin Laden was on the CIA's payroll, and that the CIA is FAR more powerful than the FBI, O'Neil's poking around was close to derailing the CIA's "sting" operation: what the CIA really thought they were doing with all of this will likely never be known.
The numbers of high-ranking specialists with information on all things 9/11 that have died is extremely interesting.
I have never seen a bigger string of fucking bullshit in my whole life.
1)NO, have you even read the Patriot act ? what would have happened if they put it into law WITHOUT the 9/11 attacks ? Riots in the streets ? Never.Half of Americans dont even vote.
2)Afganistan and Iraq have been attacked before with first a "conspiracy" attack on their own people first. Did the Soviet Union attack itself before it attacked Afganistan ?
3)haha, good one
4)is that all you have ?
5)Oh yeah, as if some insurance fraud was worth the risks associated with "staging an attack like 9/11)
6)So the US has no real enemies ? They are all fake enemies ? the US needs to stage fake attacks to start fake wars with fake enemies ?
@Spitzer:
Others might have had similar thoughts --- until reading your post above.
Really, your arguments are pathetically weak, irrelevent and/or strawmen, each and every one. You are presenting yourself very badly in attempting to make your case that the officially accepted conspiracy was the only one in play on September 11, 2001.
oh ? so the Soviets DID attack themselves before they attacked afganistan ?
You're starting to sound desperate.
Spitzer, may I introduce you to my friend Logic? I see that you two have apparently never met before.
Amen.
God, this crap assumes the government was actually COMPETENT enough to pull this off....which I doubt based on the decades/centuries of evidence to the contrary.
However, it is likely that there was a big cover-up. A cover up of just how incompetent the intelligence failures that lead up to this mess really were. Lots of people needed sacking after this disaster, and I presume most of them spun tales that took them off the hook.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
no mention of being wanted for 9/11 at all. odd?
Having seen several comments from Spitzer now, the only rational conclusion to be drawn is that of a person suffering from third stage syphillis.
How might that have happened?