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Anonymous Blogger Speculates Spanish GDP Is Inflated By €40 Billion, Goldman Gets Involved

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Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:12 | 615091 TheGreatPonzi
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The whole world economy is a massive fraud.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:37 | 615137 Sudden Debt
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The US has it's cool aid, Spain has it's Sangria, Germany has the beer...

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:28 | 615352 masterinchancery
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 GS doth protest WAY too much, more or less establishing that this blogger is on to some truth--fraudsters should keep their cool better.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:14 | 615094 SWRichmond
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by their fruits you shall know them

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:30 | 615357 masterinchancery
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And note that the US number ALSO looks suspect.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:17 | 615097 Kina
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I love it when the big boys fight withe blogosphere as it immediatly validates and ligitmises the blog. Free advertising.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:35 | 615129 sumo
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It's a big tell by Da Boyz. They're afraid.

The anon. blogger may be incorrect (I'm not qualified to judge), but there something going on that Da Boyz want hidden.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:53 | 615174 MsCreant
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They already hid the sausage. They don't want us to find it because it is actually worse than the anon blogger thinks. Was it Italy where we discovered that GS had helped them to hide debt by selling some stuff back and forth with new labels (a lottery I believe got sold and became an asset when it should have been a liability)? They may not want the world looking any closer at Spain's books.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:19 | 615099 heyligen
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Nothing new. US fraud, banks fraud, Greek fraud, Spain fraud. Let's print a bit more and forget about it. Just the new normal  routine.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:19 | 615100 TheGreatPonzi
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I suddenly realize why Krugman, Summers and the Keynesian sect are so panicked at the idea of a simple 5% drop in prices: an incredible and horrendous massive scam perpetuated since at least 1970 would suddenly be exposed in broad day light.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:48 | 615163 Caviar Emptor
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Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:33 | 615123 Azannoth
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He(they) fully deserve it for animal(taxpayer) abuse

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:20 | 615104 TooBearish
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GS putting out rumor 20bil in stock to be SOLD today - hahahahaha

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:22 | 615106 Hedge Jobs
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ha! "It makes little sense" Nielsen says! is he referring to the report or himself?

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:24 | 615108 Cognitive Dissonance
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Goldman's response.

I suspect that the reason why anyone cares at all is (1) the bad experience with Greek statistics (but there is no indication what so ever that Spain suffers from anything like that), and (2) a continued general scepticism towards peripheral Europe, so … anything goes.

Of course not. Desperate men DO NOT engage in desperate acts to save their power structure, their corrupt gravy train nor their very asses. Nope, there's no reason what-so-ever to even question the words of the mighty (and not so mighty) OZ.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:41 | 615143 UnRealized Reality
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This is the point I was trying to make the other day.

Some one with morales, values, An axe to grind or

Balls to come forward.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:11 | 615202 Cognitive Dissonance
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And the reward to do so is what? A destroyed life, threats to the family, an IRS audit, jailed on trumped up charges? The various different ways the person with balls can be screwed (with) are endless. And are you expecting the "free" press to actually publish something that is demonstrably harmful to the status quo and it's advertisers?

See, the problem is that you think you live in a free country with a proactive and curious press, backed up by engaged and proactive consumers....ops.....citizens. And I suppose if you were the person with information that could help take down the Empire's lies, you wouldn't think twice about doing so, regardless what happens to your kids and wife, right?

BTW there are whistle blowers. But they have learned not to go public and instead leak the info to bloggers. Maybe you should stop reading the main stream media and try some alternative sources. Plenty of stuff there. Why isn't it in the MSM?

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:23 | 615222 UnRealized Reality
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You know what, you're right, we all should just

lay down and die, Since you have it all figured out. And yes, if I

had the means I would try to do something

about it. I would welcome the excitement!

PS It seems when somebody doesn't agree with your opinion, you

need to degrade the the person

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:31 | 615245 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm not saying we should lay down and die. Try reading some of my articles. I consistently advocate taking action. The problem here is that everyone expects someone else to take action. Meaning everyone is waiting for everyone else to take action.

I work as an activist on the local county/community level. I'm trying to make a difference locally. It's something, no matter how small. That's where it needs to start. We won't make the big changes when we are so disconnected with our communities we don't know our next door neighbors name.

BTW rather than take umbrage with my attitude, why don't you get out there and do something? It doesn't take "means" to work in your community. Your question's are the height of naivete. Why don't you spend some time reading alternative sources of info instead of asking questions that are answered daily here and on other blogs?

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:38 | 615259 MsCreant
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Maybe you should stop reading the main stream media and try some alternative sources.

This is really the only negative thing he said about you, or more to the point, an assumption he made that he does not have evidence. I did not see him "downgrading" you in that post. Could be ya'll have history and I am butting in were I should not.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the system quite literally is going to "break" and while us space monkeys argue inflation, deflation, conspiracy, incompetence, gold, stocks, bonds, mother nature through processes like entropy and harmonic resonance is "gonna fix it all soon" and  "put it back the way it ought to be."

What CD might be saying is Learn to Swim.

Aenima Lyrics




Wake that ass up.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:44 | 615275 MsCreant
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Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 13:34 | 615939 downrodeo
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so awesome. i have always loved this song because it is what we are all thinking and feeling


you're so right---

"Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be"



Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:53 | 615288 Cognitive Dissonance
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After reading your post, I've decided that I need to tone down my rhetoric and assume a less cynical stance. I suspect I'm tired of saying the same things for over a year here on ZH and many years else where.

So when I come across a new face or set of ears, my patience is thin. Shame on me. Everyone started where this person is and I'm not taking that into account, which shows my intolerance. Ultimately the poster is correct in questioning my tone. 

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:11 | 615320 Hephasteus
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That's how they win. There's only a fraction of honesty to a fracture of the world. Then they throw idiots at you till you get tired and frustrated and worn down. Throw in the assault of the judgement perverters that this board has been subjected too. And a few off the wall distractions.

It's like the king surrounded by servants and soldiers going I'm fucking you in the ass what you going to do about it. It's a boring old never ending cycle. Building the kings pyramid, building the kings railroad system, building the kings internal combustion world, building the kings green technology, building the kings information technology that destroys the king. Boring.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:48 | 615382 MsCreant
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Thanks for trusting the process. Been around you long enough to know your intent so I can trust you and be frank.

Lot of backbone to own your stuff. 

No shame or self flagellation needed, either, you were not awful. See it, note it, have some compassion for all of us involved (yourself included), move on. 

And CD, I don't know how to swim...there are more stages of this thing to go through to get through. I'm afraid no matter how I might think I have things figured out, that when the time comes, I won't man/woman up like I want to be able to tell myself in the grand story of "me making it through the crisis." The longer this thing goes on, the harder it is to keep preps prepped and family members alert. Things slip when they move on. So I feel responsible because others have ADHD or simply don't see it in their daily life so they are not worried. 

I really do come here for community. My family is great, but "Mom" seems like a pessimistic crack pot. Inertia is setting in.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 16:44 | 616613 RockyRacoon
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Thanks for rounding it all out, and the link.  Great stuff.

I know for a fact that CD is honest, compassionate, and real.  He is no different from any of us in that he has moods that encompass frustration and, yes, some zealotry.  Not a bad thing since points get made that a lesser person cannot do.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:12 | 615323 B9K9
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I'm coming to the conclusion that the system quite literally is going to "break" ... mother nature is "gonna fix it all soon" and  "put it back the way it ought to be."

Exactly. I've consistently tried to move the general tone of the conversation away from investment & trading strategies towards a larger recognition: The Fed era is coming to a close

There is nothing at this point (actually, back in 2007, and probably all the way back to 1913) that anyone can do to stop it. Denninger has always been right about the math; his issue was that he, until recently, couldn't conceive that the bad actors were in actuality a banker-government criminal syndicate.

When one stops and considers for a moment what that really means, they may begin to sense the meaning behind Mako's ominous warnings. It's not pretty, and for those who have seen firsthand what a civil war looks like, you don't want to be around when long suppressed regional, class & racial divisions finally spring loose.

Like I've said before, one should try and wrap their heads around this wild concept: These are the good old days.


Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:35 | 615369 Cognitive Dissonance
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I've consistently tried to move the general tone of the conversation away from investment & trading strategies towards a larger recognition:

Tyler determines the general tone of this blog. Some out-spoken commenters might affect the tone of some comment threads. If you wish to have a fighting chance of influencing anything here, request to become a contributor. I'm sure many would like to see your thoughts up on the big screen aka the top three contributor boxes on the front page of ZH. 

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 10:57 | 615406 MsCreant
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I agree, B9K9 is rock solid. May not want the responsibility.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 11:02 | 615416 Miss America
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Hey there CD,


I really wish I could share more on this topic...  but I can't.


My advice to ANYONE willing to blow the whistle on their company is:


Plead ignorance, and either quit, continue ignorantly, or just try to move to a new job if possible.


I'm still trying to convince someone close to me, to tell their story (and remain anonymous)...  but it's not a wise idea. 


Especially since their are many legal things in play with their situation and stockholders.


SarbOx is an absolute joke.

There is no protection, or compensation.

All the best,

Miss America - RH

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:31 | 615253 chinaboy
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Very good quote. Thank you.

Note that GS intentionally understates the striking similarity between Greece, Spain and Irelend. GS also intentionally isolate the problems to peripherals.


Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:25 | 615109 Number 156
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I don't watch data anymore. I don't know whats faked or not. I am all the way out of stocks. Zip, zero, Nada.

All I do now is sit back at a distance and watch it implode with popcorn in hand.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:56 | 615180 MsCreant
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May I suggest gold and silver in the other hand. 

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:08 | 615205 Number 156
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Got it. And not on paper either.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:24 | 615237 MsCreant
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Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:38 | 615111 pamriallc
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this is what happens when you don't have a central bank that can pave over the poor economic foundation with newly issued euro's.  spain is almost without a doubt in poor shape, as advertised here.  you don't go to 24% unemployment and keep 98% of GDP without a printing press, which is what we're doing in the USA.  consider the "horror" of pulling credit from the USA with 70% of GDP as consumption?  imagine the horror of a robust contraction in spending at the consumer level--- and consumption as a percentage of GDP were allowed to drop to 35% where everyone else is?  yes---  you'd pull roughly $3 trillion out of the US economy.  interestingly enough, you look no further than the current additional indebtedness of the USA and you get (voila!) about $3 trillion in new debts which we're using to prop up GDP and while lawmakers are praying for jobs creation and "resumption of consumption" that just isn't happening in a system where credit is declining at a rapid rate.  nominally, it should be allowed to fall in order to add credibility to the system.  printing money for the sake of artificially inflating GDP is the "ultimate" form of *extend and pretend*  and what's left --- the end result --- is a government that will own the economy vs its citizenry.   too much management is a very serious long term drag on profits.  when the government "prints themselves ownership of the economy" that's added management.


shawn mesaros, pamria, llc

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:27 | 615113 john_connor
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where there is smoke, there is fire.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:29 | 615115 MarketTruth
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It is not true until it is denied. Judging by the sheer speed of the denial... it is very, very true!

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:36 | 615133 sumo
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Massive tell.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:31 | 615118 LeBalance
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Goldman just raised the bar of due diligence by attempting to defend the undefendable.

The bell tolls.

Similar intervention in blogs and blog material can now be expected not in the comment section (on going), but directly in dialog.  When this dialogue and delaying tactic does not produce the outcome wished more drastic measures will be taken,

These include direct threats and co-opt attempts of this news space (and similar news spaces) and then (when that fails) attack and shutdown via legal and direct methods.

More road signs that we all have previously placed on the road to .... hard times.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:30 | 615119 the not so migh...
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All that plundered gold from the new world and Spain does not even have a dick to show for it.


Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:45 | 615154 Sudden Debt
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Most of that gold was used in the English war which they lost and turned Spain from a Empire like America is now into a broke 3th world country...

History repeats itself in so many ways...

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:15 | 615217 Shameful
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There are a lot of similarities to today. Spain was an economic powerhouse but to mismanagement their economy became dependent on imports from the world to support importing Euro goods. But even in their decline the Spaniards crooned it meant nothing because of the might of their military. Which even before the collapse was showing signs of weakness as pirates and other small time operates kept beating them.

Who does that sound like today?

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:34 | 615128 Madhouse
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Poor blogger. I bet he can't even go on any Spanish version of CNBC to expose this fraud.

I hope he is at least short EWP...   (cough)..  

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:23 | 615235 SMG
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Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:35 | 615131 bernorange
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Goldman isn't content to conquer the material world.  They want to win the internets too.

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:41 | 615268 aheady
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I keep thinking of what somebody said last week comparing arguing online to the Special Olympics LOL

Thu, 09/30/2010 - 12:59 | 615843 iota
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 08:37 | 615135 Gonzalo Lira
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Actually, if the blogger's right, then this would make a lot of sense. 


The name of the movie? "It Came From Spain: EuroCrisis II"



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