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Damn. I really am being indoctrinated here. I just wrote pretty much the same (though less eloquently) in response to the article.
Reading this site would really be easier if there were 30-40 of me as well...
I'm the real Tyler Durden t-shirts. You know they would sell.
Hey did beaker write that story? Oh wait. He's a cnbc correspondant. Did someone write that story for beaker?
The New York Magazine article calls Zero Hedge a "no-frills site"
Pray tell, what is a site with frills like?
Why don't you ask Joe Blow Himself?
There is a mirror site, and it's somewhere (perhaps aggregated in variant dark pools). It's called Infinity Hedge. It's full of frills (imagine Huffington Post in 3-D).
welcome to the party!, Tyler.
Frankly, I think my response is the same as anyone elses....
'Tyler' may be Osama Bin Laden for all I care. Whether what is posted is "conspiracy" or not. It is full of facts and quotes, and should be read by anyone looking to form an opinion on our world's economy or politics.
Keep it up 'Tyler', I don't think many of us care who you are.
I wore my new zerohedge shirt (the ones from -273) through the Newark airport on my trip out to Seattle and Portland this past week. 1 person was brave enough to come up to me. Just someone who rarely posts, but a 'lurker'. I thought it was pretty cool to meet someone face to face. NYmag can call 'us' whatever they want, but you all have put something truly special together, and I am glad to play along. Thank you Zerohedge.
Edit: try #2 at Captcha...3:42 is a little too late for me and solving these hard math problems!
I am a lurker but id wear that shirt anytime :)
Thank you TD for posting the infos we read all day long. Thank you.
( Leo K....believing that the SEC would step in? et tu Leo? SHOCKING.)
This NEW YORK article, in their usual style, is the same old hot air, gasbag snob saturated, step over the truth bullshit....what a waste that I took the time to read the garbage.
Really Leo?! The same SEC that was "handed Madoff on a silver platter" but chose to ignore for 8 years? Puhleeze.
The ultimate form of flattery is to have a news source such as the NY Mag try to discredit ZH. Ahhh, how I love the smell of desperation in the air.
Sure wish I could sleep on Sundays. I mean Monday.
I have a flight to London in a few hours hours. I am glad I was awake to read this as I will be busy tomorrow.
And Mr. Hagan is correct in that ZH has loyal readers.
Mr Hagan - You can suck a fart out of my asshole you dried and crusty shit stain. Attacking a blog is sophomoric and juvenile. I'd love to slap you like the little girl you are. Could you not figure out the CAPTCHA problems? Is that what upset you so?
I bet it could be arranged!
heehee. I love it when u talk dirty.
Anyway, I did glance over Hagan's steamy pile of shit. That paper must be getting very desperate to publish that half-baked, half-witted yawnfest.
The appropriate fight club response to the MSM would be "Don't worry, it's not a threat to you."
For Wall Street (a place where the smartest come to roost but not for the sake of being smart, but merely to outthink other smart people in the perpetual quest in gaining a infinitesimal profit generating arbitrage), the race to the top means simply a race to find a new loophole, obfuscation, or a new form of informational "asymmetry."
With respect to this quality and timeless quote I can only observe that the vast majority of the traditional financial media, and by extension most traditional media regardless of "slant" is either too stupid, too complicit or both in their realization that the information product that is produced by them, regardless of venue is a direct result of those they cover using the bold portion of the quote to grossly manipulate the flow and analysis of information by those traditional media outlets. And in so doing rendering these media outlets and the product they produce as either compromised, worthless or both in the considered opinion of their consumers. Hence their current rate of decline into oblivion of these outlets and those that are associated with them.
It is a testament to the "traditional" media model as currently practiced by those that own & populate it that when their work product is rejected in mass they feel compelled to attack the so called window dressing of the messenger of their demise rather than address the substance of the message itself. As if either are at question with respect to ZH.
Now that the time has arrived when the broad spectrum of mass news consumers, from the most highly engaged and educated on any particular issue to those within the general population that consume their news at the educational level it is produced understand that traditional financial reporting is nothing more than what most parents of a newborn understand to be a "slurp & burp" form of communications. The citizens of our nation require more from the fourth estate if they are to fulfill their obligation to the institution of responsible self government to be well informed and engaged. It is time for the traditional media to either step up or be prepared to be moved out of the way.
Tyler keep up the good work. These kind of attacks are a sure sign that ZH is getting under somebody's skin.
That writer is an irrelevant ninny.
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
Joe Hagen = self-absorbed financial illiterate
old media will go away if we ignore it.
Ya and in the 90's AT&T would stop calling you and asking you to switch long distance carriers if you just said no i'm not switching stop calling me.
Zero Hedge and bloggers will be stalked by big media more and more.
Leaving the man is hard. It's like being beat out of a gang.
I'd like to cancel my Verizon phone service. Ok let me get your information.
Hold on I can't bring the account up can you please hold.
No you're lying to me. You're going to get someone to bother me you're computer is working fine. Cancel the service. Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Then i keep getting stalked with a phone bill for canceled service. Then I tell them they are lying useless idiots and stop demanding payment. Then I get a bigger bill. LOL
Big business, big money, monopoly currency. It created rape. It knows it's wrong but does it anyway.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."
Well, clearly the site is officially a success. The further attempts to out your identity definitely means you are having an effect on someone and likely means (one could surmise) that the premise of the information presented here is on track. No need to throw a dog off a scent if he's running the wrong way, right?
And, I for one, as a reader since the first months come here for the information. I am intelligent enough to take the information here and make my own determination on conspiracy theories if that's the direction I want to take it. According to the articles author I guess I should assume that all these big financial types that ZH has shed some light on really just have my best interest at heart and I should just close my eyes and trust what they are telling me...oh, right everything that happened in the last 3 years just was a chain reaction and could not be predicted. Hmm, funny, I could have told you more than 4 years ago that people buying those houses that didn't have income weren't going to be able to pay for them. And I am not even a rocket scientist.
This article and it's author (I already forgot his name) are making a feeble attempt to maintain what was perceived as the status quo. I'll stick with personal responsibility for educating myself and then making my own decisions.
Thanks to ZH for acting as a great informational resource.
well i guess we can now write about tyler on wikipedia and how ZH started the innovation and progress of knowledge and information. Eric Schmidt might just find an interest in buying such a knowledge platform.
So he can coopt it for 0?
I thought Bubblicious Ben declared the recession over. Chicago Fed says no.
-.74 for July
I can't see how august could be any better.
Someone keep an eye on them. I bet it's fudged to say -.69 with kudlow throwing a recession over party.
Don't worry, if they can't fudge it they will just ignore it. I mean you know -- "The party must go on."
Oh krikey. They nutted up and told the truth. It DROPPED to -90. chicago says deep deep recession continues.
"His readership of angry traders and anti-government malcontents celebrated his newfound power."
I prefer to use the term "economic truthers"
I take as a compliment the label "anti-government malcontent." I'll reconsider when I see the first reason to be "pro-government" that is not based on obvious propaganda, indefensibly blind nationalism, or utter fear.
See, that fucking happens when someone leaks your identity. They assault your family, they assault you; they assault the people you are connected with. And that article was garbage at its best form ( i should know goddamn it; im a logician for fuck sake ). Invalid conclusions, highly speculative ( peasant expression for contingent ) structure of reasoning and a paradigm that one of TDs i actually Ivandjiiski. God fucking damn, someone should tare that site down like a Taliban tared down Russian helicopters. But one things is sure; the old media is dying, and its dying quickly. This is one more evidence. And the second fact is ( ok, there are two sure things ) that im pissed, insane, and highly capable. Come and get us biyatches. Long live ZH.
yes anony is very valuable in times such as these. i understand such need for anony was the case while the declaration of independence was being penned. nevertheless, the here and now requires anony for those whom are knowledge capital and information managers such as we. on one hand the faster the old media dies the better, and on the other hand, they are helpful in keeping future expected investment returns higher.
btw, no reason to damn God, however, we all have free will.
He/She/It doesnt mind.
cheeky... i'll share a foxhole with you any day.
It's interesting to be able to question and read others questions in this environment. Like the old media, the Schopenhauer model of ideas (truth) is also dying. If I may propose the new one I now see as a possibility......
1. First they ridicule you..
2. Then they shoot you..
Unfortunately, this anon style of writing will not last either once the NSA site gets rolling.
And Joe is not anon at all! No worries for Joe!
New York mag readers mostly skipped that article in hard copy, and the online version probably got more hits from this site. Old Media was an empire built on distribution and not content - take away distribution, welcome to the new paradigm. suck it easy boys.
Be careful! Your revelry in the apparent ultimate demise of the print media as well as the more staid old-timer organizations may be a bit premature. I have learned during my years in the hunt, it is the wounded and or threatened beast that is the most dangerous. Continue shining the light on the lies and the misinformation that such generate and keep the boasting in the closet please. Otherwise, the distraction of the legislative fight to control the free exchange of information that your efforts represent will be a distraction and energy sink away from that very hope.
New York Magazine = irrelevant. please TD tell me you had this link sent to you and not culling for this garbage.
Gee.....I don't think anybody ever claimed Zero Hedge is
perfect. But please look at the juggernaut they are
critiquing......a bunch of used-car salesmen and their
flacks who have managed to clothe themselves in the
robes of the Illuminati, but are, in fact, posers.
It's an old story....the emperorers are wearing
Was the first ever article I read back in April on Seeking Alpha. It was like a gallon of bleach wiped all the shit from my brain and I became aware. Who is this Tyler? I asked. I didn't before, but I do now - know the difference between truth and lies.
New York magazine?
Yeah, its good if you need to be told what neighborhoods are cool, that $300 shoes will make you better looking, what establishments you NEED to eat at.
These people are selling the "life style obsession." They aren't credible to anyone with half a brain.
Keep up the good fight.
Constant lurker, but I am sure glad there are tons of smart, caring people out there.
yes, lifestyle obsessions for the only consumers that are left to keep the entire ponzi pyramid from collapsing...i.e. those working in some capacity for the 'sacred fat cows' feeding off the gov't trough.
we have many of these people as customers.
we notice them getting more stingy than usual.
a stinginess that thinly veils the rising desperation that can be easily seen on one has the courage to look in another's eyes (all too uncommon in NYC -- we highly recommend it).
watch out for cornered rats friends.
best to put an extra clove of garlic in your pocket before you go out in public
(virtual public included)
You're getting to them, Tyler. It's that simple. There is a reason that more and more people distrust the MSM daily.
As for the "anti-government malcontents", I cannot imagine what possible fault any patriotic American could find with handing out taxpayer money and backstopping failure to the tune of somewhere between $11-$23 trillion to the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who caused the entire financial meltdown, not removing a single CEO from a banking institution, not enacting a single piece of legislation aimed at fixing the areas of the system that allowed the problems to occur, telegraphing every move to the same inner circle responsible for the mess, and generally thinking that one solves a problem by repeating the same things that caused it (cheap money, lax supervision, TBTF institutions, favored status institutions, less than arms length dealings with major firms).
Who are we to question the wisdom and intentions of our betters? Geez, maybe I should volunteer for a waterboarding session down at Guantanamo to get my mind right.
Given your choice to cloak yourself in anonymity, then by definition an "ad hominem" attack is impossible.
and much more ...
...oooh, this ought to drive Hagan up the other wall.
Tractatus - THE worst book on logic EVER; it is so bad, that Wittgenstein himself dismissed the conclusions which he made in Tractatus later in his writings ( i.e Philosophical Investigations ). That Wittgenstein is known, as the " Later " Wittgenstein, and his is so much better logician than the 1920s Tractatus Wittgenstein.
Hey your Royal Cheeky Bastardness,
I answered your Baudrillard joke/allusion on the NBC for sale thread. Cool you had classes with Derrida. Bet Joe don't know shit about PoMo, Post-Structuralism, or Deconstructionist theory. Maybe you should share!
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