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Another (Anything But) Broad Based Rally

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A mere two hours into the holiday trading day, and the SPY is already 20 million below the average cumulative volume. With nobody trading, it is time for the straight line up autopilot.

And yes, high volume days do occur on occassion. It is just that they tend to not promote the Dow 10,000 officialy policy guidelines too well.




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Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:09 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Suspicious action in the futures market overnight, it is like someone knew today would be a light volume day (Yom Kippur, anyone?) that was ripe for manipulation...

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Thurgy
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This it what happens when 70% of the market is traded by computers... We shouldn't have more than 50% volume come from program trading.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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It's funny(and sad) to think the same subject was being discussed on Wall Street Week 22 years ago after Black Monday.  I don't have the link, but someone posted it on here from YouTube a couple weeks ago.

Lots of talk about the dangers of "program trading" producing extreme market moves.

Looking back, it's odd to think that during the '07-'08 period moves of 20-40 SPX day-to-day were semi-routine.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 14:24 | Link to Comment trader1
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"Planning for the Next Financial Crisis" by Lawrence H. Summers, 1991

 

 

"...the boom is fueled by the positive feedback behavior of some investors.
Individuals who emulate the strategies that have fared well in the recent
past, and so buy stock following price increases and sell following price declines,
are displaying positive feedback behavior. So are the institutions who
use recent history to set their investment strategy. Investors who rush to sell
out when they get margin calls, or to cover short positions when the market
moves up are also positive feedback investors. By increasing the demand for
shares when prices are rising and reducing it when prices are falling, positive
feedback behavior increases market volatility...

The view that bubbles could again emerge in asset markets is supported by
statistical evidence on speculative prices. Cutler, Poterba, and Summers
(1989) document that in the markets for stocks, bonds, foreign exchange, and
precious metals there is positive serial correlation over periods of weeks and
months. This implies that there is logic to short-term, positive feedback trading,
which seeks to catch and ride trends. On one estimate (The Economist
1989), almost four-fifths of foreign exchange trading is driven by technical
systems that give rise to positive feedback. A different sort of evidence comes
from the work of Barsky and De Long (1989) who, in studying the American
stock market, find clear evidence that stock prices rise much more than proportionately
with dividends, as would be predicted by any theory emphasizing
the market’s eventual overreaction to good news...

Kindleberger’s preconditions for crisis are as likely to be satisfied today as
they ever have been in the past. It is probably now easier to lever assets than
ever before and the combination of reduced transactions costs and new markets
in derivative securities make it easier than it has been in the past for the
illusion of universal liquidity to take hold. Asset price bubbles are now as
likely as they have ever been. Bubbles eventually burst. The increased speed
with which information diffuses and the increased use of quantitative-rulebased
trading strategies make it likely that they will burst more quickly today
than they have in the past."

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Tipo anónimo
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Well, if we take that to be the period where the S&P was over 1400, then 20 - 40 points would correspond to 1.5% - 2.8% trading range.  Not really unusual?

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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Agreed, but that was pretty much the whole way down from 1400s to 666(plus a little during the March bounceback).  There were some periods of consolidation thrown in there.  Now, if we have a 15-point move either way it's considered pretty significant, and we're up around 1060.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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I was stunned when I woke up(late) this morning.  The Dow futures were down 30 eight hours ago, and the media are crediting mergers for the ramp job.  Yeah...

In a much less extreme way, makes me think of the Columbus Day ramp job last year when the market went up something like 900 points on weak volume in the middle of the plunge.  I see strong volume in the first five minutes, then plummeting volume as the day has progressed.

Happy Yom Kippur.

 

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 13:10 | Link to Comment mellmeister
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Loved the Columbus Day ramp job! Happened to close out and take over a fund (mis)managed 401K and got a great head start. Rahmp it up!

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:15 | Link to Comment SDRII
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The latest sideline cash report: American investors have $3.5T in cash - equal to 73% of the S&P 500's net assets - even after reducing money-market accounts by 11%, according to a new study. At the peak of the bull market in 2007, the figure was 62% of S&P assets

 

There si so much wrong with this bloomberg comparison that it almost defies comment - Uhm yeah investors were buying the S/P based on $106 in EPS forward to drive the market. So if at the irrational peak the market was irrationally valued wiould that not make a percentage comp based on that mispricing irrelevant alos? Just asking Bloomberg

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:28 | Link to Comment ivant
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im glad they have access to every single american investor's balance sheet :)

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Cursive
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I'm all for closing the market on Jewish holidays.  Wait, I'm all for closing the market, period.  You can't manipulate what's not trading, but that's probably more of a 2011 or 2012 phenomenon.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:27 | Link to Comment ivant
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haha thats a bit severe dont you think? closing the markets completely? maybe we should all put in our money together and start shorting the markets on light volume days. im sure we could raise a bit of cash. :)

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:27 | Link to Comment bonddude
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I find it interesting that while the pump continues a GS analyst thinks treasury yields could fall

perhaps precipitously.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602007&sid=aWb9LpE0yWPY

This seems to back the Hugh Hendry view of shorter term deflation, Tbond yields, down as well as all other asset prices. Rather than believing yields will go higher I believe they will go down as, like the stock market, they have risen past belief.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:31 | Link to Comment ivant
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wasn't hugh talking about longer term deflation, ie several years? i agree, i think we could see a retest of the lows and possibly this will probably mean a depression. what was that about FDIC seriously considering a bailout from the banks? if unemployment is any indication of the severity of this move, we could see a pretty nasty scenario.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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People are saying the financials have lagged today...so we have MS to the rescue!  "Credit losses will decline at major U.S. banks."  Guess they want a 200-point day.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Seems like we get these 200 pt days every other week or at least once a month which wipes out the entire previous weeks total decline (IF it closes down). I guess we should also celebrate Ramadan, Chinese new Year, so that we get even more days of light volume so more rigging can be done efficiently.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:50 | Link to Comment ivant
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add to the list the public holidays when they should open the markets.

Others can include:

Orthodox Christmas and New Year

+ dates that should be holidays including:

Madonna's Like a Virgin Anniversary (which news in Australia were all excited about today)

Michael Jackson's Death/Birthday/Courtcase Winnings

Ben Shalom's Assasination

 

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 12:59 | Link to Comment taraxias
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Anyone involved in this rigged casino right now is insane. Any who is shorting the market right now should only be allowed to move in public with a straight jacket. END OF.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Vinet (not verified)
Mon, 09/28/2009 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Andy,

I am confused. Can you elaborate? You saying gold will go down to the 950 range? Technicals aside, is it due to a rebound in the USD? because I dont see how Gold will go down so much to the 8 handle (like you mentioned earlier) unless USD shoots higher, much higher.

 

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 16:26 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 09/28/2009 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Vinet (not verified)
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