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Another Bill Introduced To Rescue Floundering Muni Bond Market

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Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:09 | 953421 hedgeless_horseman
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Plan B for getting those freshly printed $USD into the eCONomy:
Obama Seeks $53B Over Six Years for Rail Network

Wednesday, February 9, 2011


WASHINGTON — Officials in the Obama administration on Tuesday announced plans to spend $53 billion over six years to finance the construction of a national high-speed rail and intercity passenger rail network.

Isn't $53 billion a single digit % of the anticipated cost?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:16 | 953455 Sophist Economicus
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Sure is, and I wonder how Uncle Warren will benefit from this?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 18:05 | 954301 New_Meat
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Soph: BNI handles freight.  Amtrak loses money.  High speed rail is like leveraged ETFs, a faster way to lose money.

So I say BRKA doesn't play.

- Ned

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:16 | 953456 Rainman
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....and we thought the USG would tighten its belt when faced with a $14 trillion deficit ?? Who started that rumor ?? 

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:09 | 953433 KickIce
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Obama's going to have to find a way to support the government unions and their pensions, no way can he afford to lose them at this point.

QE to infinity.

Obviously Merideth Whitney was completely off base in her claims.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 07:02 | 955463 Zero Govt
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yes when the history books are written Merideth will clearly be the 'loon' and Obama, Git'ner and Bernank men of great wisdom solving a debt problem by piling on yet more debt ...history in the making!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:10 | 953438 topcallingtroll
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I hate to be a troll here, but all those overspending blue states can go f themselves.  If there are any overspending red states then they can double f themselves.  If you want to spend more money then raise taxes, bitchez, if you have the tranny balls to do so.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:15 | 953454 lunaticfringe
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gotta agree TCT. Balanced budget amendments exist. Can you imagine the complete FUBAR if every state had their own currency and printing presses like the FED?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:29 | 953520 KickIce
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At least the power wouldn't be centralized.  If one state was screwing up you would have the option of moving to another.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:20 | 953466 Rick Masters
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go look at a chart before u post.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:25 | 953504 Navigator
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+100 for Mr. Masters.  I was gong to tell the troll the same thing but you beat me to it while I was looking for a map of donor states vs. leach states.

Troll...here's a shocker for ya.  Tax money donor states are mostly the blue states.  The leach states are mostly the red states.


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:51 | 953597 buzzsaw99
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blue states steal their money via mortgage fraud. Don't get me started on newyork and their perpetual fascist money machine.

Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:43 | 955749 Rick Masters
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Could you elaborate on you thoughts? It is cryptic and bold statement to say all blue states obtained wealth via theft. I would say they earned with work and a once great manufacturing base that evolved into more service-based economies, vie structual change.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:36 | 953554 Thomas
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You are not being a troll. The states must suffer the hardships so that they clean up the source of the problem.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 18:09 | 954312 New_Meat
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"I hate to be a troll here,..."

well then, just be yourself ;-)

and I am really frightened when the Federal Gov't says to the States 'no problemo, we'll take on your debt'

- Ned

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:12 | 953439 Just Observing
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"high fees to investment banks and rewards poor credit risk issuers" ???


Hey.....sounds like the Alt-A mortgage debacle all over again !


I LOVE theese kountry !!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 16:35 | 953974 rufusbird
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" high underwriting fees for investment banks" I am sure more people than Gill Gross are lobbying for it to pass!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:13 | 953445 lunaticfringe
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What floundering muni market do you speak of TD? All I've been reading lately is the EE desperately trying to marginalize Meredith Whitney and label her a member...dare I say...of the lunatic fringe.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 18:28 | 954366 New_Meat
Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:14 | 953448 Id fight Gandhi
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Fcking let them default.

Why Shiism a states debt be nationalized. The sooner the revolution here starts the sooner we can live real lives.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:17 | 953461 Tense INDIAN
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(iv) wave ALMOST completed......LOAD UP ON those PUTS



Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:27 | 953510 Pure Evil
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Well, why wouldn't Emperor Obama want to make the program permanent.

Just one more nail in the coffin of State Sovereignty.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:28 | 953517 LostWages
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Kick that fucking can down the road one more time......will be the last time...we promise...trust us...your govt would never lie to you!

Of course the can is now a 55 gal drum and its full of shit...gonna need a bigger boot to kick this one, and watch out for the cliff that is getting closer.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:33 | 953531 RobotTrader
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With the S & P 500 gains now approaching 100% off the March 2009 lows.....Even while the unemployment number is still 9% and the RE market is in tatters.

The Bernank must be laughing at the chest-beating bears, naysayers, and perma-gloomers.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him:

- Outright nationalize the entire McMortgage industry

- Extend unlimited support for the entire Muni Bond market, and nationalize later if necessary.

Meanwhile, oil continues to get clubbed, and gold is subdued.  Confirming his assessment that "inflation is contained" by the official, doctored, old-school government measuring stick.

Incredible but true.  The PPT has everything under 100% control.

They must be gloating at their huge success.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:37 | 953559 Johnny Lawrence
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"This time is different."

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 15:01 | 953622 Crime of the Century
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Until it ain't. Zero Hedge becomes Zero Stroke...

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:37 | 953561 butthead
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Ya let me print a few trillion I could throw a party and gloat as well.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:48 | 953584 gwar5
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That's just insane to try to pass that bail out bill

Let them die. Let them reorganize and file bankruptcy

Let them change their ways by all manner of painful contortions, if need be

If it's painful they won't forget it for 3 generations before they go wild again

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 14:50 | 953593 Seasmoke
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the next time they kick the can , we need to kick them in the teeth.....i dont believe peaceful revolutions change anything

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 15:08 | 953645 LawsofPhysics
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Let the states fend for themselves.  Then people will find out exactly how much their "services" are worth.  All this financial bullshit is based on "mark to unicorn" accounting.  The entire world needs to wake up and realize their shit isn't worth what they think it is.  Better have a real skill folks, soon enough the black market will be much bigger than any exchange.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 15:28 | 953716 bunkermeatheadp...
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This is precisely the kind of story I was looking for when the MSM's attention is on Egypt.

Reminds me of the Goldman settlement when the BP well was capped.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 16:02 | 953877 ChanceIs
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To be sure, I just got on the phone to my Congressman after reading this.  Read my lips buddy:  I don't want you subsidizing California municipalities who pay prison guards $100K who can retire at age 38. F'em.  And Bill Gross as well.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 16:36 | 953978 Johnny Lawrence
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In the last couple weeks, I've actually been buying some munis issued by the likes of Harvard, U-Texas, Yale...I think there's some good value there.


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 18:18 | 954339 Brutlstrudl
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HaHaHaha. Thats a good'un

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 18:49 | 954418 New_Meat
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Ya, Mohammed thought that way too, like in the mid-uh-ohs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_A._El-Erian

Then he left the world's most perfect university, that oh by the way was following the Yale priced to perfection model "Endowment Fund."  Now he's with PIMPCO working the snot out of K-Street to get the law his and Bills way.  Got any track record on the ... er ... 'drawdown' that Yale's endowment experienced?

I hadn't seen the tax/revenue stream coming out of Cambridge, Austin, and <<gag>> New Haven.  Wow, this might be interesting!  Got a link to prospectus?  Or are these 'special' offerings for 'IVY' types.  :-)

- Ned

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 19:06 | 954456 Johnny Lawrence
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You'd fit right in with the big brokerages. It's not contrarian to diss bonds right now. You bullish on stocks too?

If think Univ of Texas is going to default on their bonds, that's a bit retarded.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:25 | 954832 New_Meat
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"You'd fit right in with the big brokerages."

au contraire, Jacque.

"If think Univ of Texas is going to default on their bonds, that's a bit retarded."

I thought all of you liberal "kinder, gentler" types eschewed (ya, look it up) such perjorative terms as 'retarded.'

But yes, hook'em bonds? Give me a break.

Not worried about TX GOs.  On the other hand (I spelled it out for ya) CA, IL, RI, NV ... GOs?  In real trouble.

and well, I'll spell it out for ya: we can start here


and walk down the list.

- Ned

(why, that is Meredith's list ...)

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:15 | 954796 Buck Johnson
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It won't pass because the republicans are trying to quietly put through a provision/bill that would make it possible for states to file for bankruptcy.  They want this because it will give the state the ability to change the retirement and pension rules in regard to state unions (who have been the democrats base mostly).  So it's a political thing to them.  Also it won't go because as one said and I agree, they are going to need the money for QE3 sometime this year.  We are on a collision course with hyperinflation.  Johnny Lawrence, how do you think that the University of Texas portfolio is doing and also their enrollment?  They can easily default on bonds if most of those bonds where part of a state rollup where the state put the University systems bonds into the state's as a whole to have a cheaper rate.


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 21:30 | 954837 New_Meat
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"... republicans are trying to quietly ..."

... er, dude ... There ain't no 'quitely' when the Senate is of the party of opposite persuation and the Prez is of unknown but certainly non-R persuation.  So again, don't matter what the house does, it won't be 'quiet.'

but buck along and enjoy the night.

- Ned

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 23:08 | 955016 f16hoser
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Sold all my savings bonds and bought my initial stash of Silver bullion about a year ago. Smartest thing I ever did.

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