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In Anticipation Of Our Own "Department Of Truth" ...

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All those who believe (erroneously) that the Department of Truth is just a euphemism, guess again. Below we share some of the recent highlights that the Chinese central propaganda bureau is attempting to keep secret from the public. One can only weep at the "efficiency" of our own propaganda masters. Luckily, they are quickly learning from the best.

From China Digital Times

The following examples of censorship instructions,
issued to the media and/or Internet companies by various central (and
sometimes local) government authorities, have been leaked and
distributed online. Chinese journalists and bloggers often refer to
those instructions as “Directives from the .”
CDT has collected the selections we translate here from a variety of
sources and has checked them against official Chinese media reports to
confirm their implementation.

State Council Information Office: In China 94% Are Unhappy; Top-Heavy Concentration of Wealth

March 7, 2011

From the State Council Information Office: All websites are requested
to immediately remove the story “In China 94% Are Unhappy; Top-Heavy
Concentration of Wealth” and related information.  Forums, blogs,
micro-blogs, and other interactive spaces are not to discuss the matter.

Central Propaganda Bureau: High-speed Rail Cases

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media must carefully report on any cases related to high-speed rail.

Central Propaganda Bureau: Self-immolation in Beijing

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to report on the self-immolation in Beijing of a man from Qinhuangdao.

Central Propaganda Bureau: Liu Zhijun’s Mistresses

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to report or hype the news that Liu Zhijun had 18 mistresses.

Central Propaganda Bureau: Liu Xiang’s Lack of Preparation

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to hype
People’s Congress and People’s Political Consultative Congress
representative Liu Xiang’s lack of preparation.

Central Propaganda Bureau: The People’s Security is Afraid of the People

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to report on
excessive use of public security in Beijing during the meetings of the
National People’s Congress and the Chinese People’s Political
Consultative Congress.  Do not hype the story “The People’s Security is
Afraid of the People.”

Central Propaganda Bureau: Corruption of Party Committee Secretary in Wushe County, Henan

March 4, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to report on
the corruption case of the Party Committee Secretary in Wushe County,

Central Propaganda Bureau: Salary Increases for the PLA

March 3, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to hype the salary increase given to the People’s Liberation Army.

Central Propaganda Bureau: Jasmine

March 2, 2011

From the Central Propaganda Bureau: Media are not to report on any information related to “Chinese Jasmine.”

h/t SpaldingSmailes



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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:09 | 1031194 Sweet Chicken
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The first rule of Fight Club is......

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:12 | 1031203 johnQpublic
johnQpublic's picture talking...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:38 | 1031301 High Plains Drifter
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No questions.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:37 | 1031525 e_goldstein
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that's project mayhem.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:40 | 1031541 Lord Welligton
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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 09:04 | 1032498 Mark McGoldrick
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If we're collectively searching for the truth, I've got some very disturbing news for everyone:

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:25 | 1031729 Eally Ucked
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I think his duties expand by day now. Hope he goes up the pay scale by day too! 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:41 | 1031759 Spalding_Smailes
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Naw, nothing extra needed .... I love Zero Hedge and ALL the posters even the ones I battle with ....

I also wanted to help Tyler with the T-Shirts.... My cost would be $4.50 each with small logo on front with another one color logo on the back. I put 30% on top of that, Tyler throws on 50% .... Your talking $12 or $13 max. He would be moving a ton more shirts at that price and getting some great advertising !!!


What ever colors you want logo's or shirts ....

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:48 | 1031790 Eally Ucked
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I love your entrepreneurial skills, and this is probably nice bonus. But still your main income coming from Cass, isn't it? Any way I appreciate your good job! And skills.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:53 | 1031800 Spalding_Smailes
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What's Cass ?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:59 | 1031819 Eally Ucked
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Sunstein, you bad boy! Some kind of memory fade? He may get pissed off with you (don't remember the name), he needs some appreciation from you!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:09 | 1031840 Spalding_Smailes
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No ...., I'm just some punk that reads too much. The last president I voted for was Ross Perot. He was blowtorched. 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:12 | 1031848 Eally Ucked
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New job then? Disappointed with the past, boy?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:23 | 1031875 Spalding_Smailes
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Nope. I hate the liberals and the unions. I only look forward now.

But I have learned through reading about 75-100 financial books from John Kenneth Galbraith, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, Macro textbooks, Friedman ect... the Fed is in total control. 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:38 | 1031914 Eally Ucked
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I like it boy, you are educated and thinking, just continue on the right path and maybe you will, at some point, get to some more relevant works. Just don't trust that the FED is control. They lost control.

Last advice don't read so much bullshit, ok!  

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:05 | 1031927 Spalding_Smailes
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Not bullshit. We are all living it in our lives. 

You should toss your t.v. in the trash like I did 11 years ago. Your brain is warped because of this.

I think your the boy / girlie. This is a financial site, what is your take on debt • treasuries in regards too the money supply • velocity • inflation. 

Thoughts ?


Pin fucking drop, another mindless troll sucking at the nipple of said t.v. .....

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:30 | 1032011 Eally Ucked
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I'm old boy who went thru situationlike that once. Don't tell me that bullshist about money velocity and stuff.

My take on debt - we are fucked in N.America (Canada is the same), you can not service it from taxing hairdressers, nailpolishers, restaurants and strip bars.

My take on tresuries - funny game which will end shortly, FED showing too much to the world, so it will be finished and then the printing will go on unconstrained.

Money supply - we delivered enough toilette paper for the next century, probably until now everybody was afraid to to say anything and they accepted waste as payment.

Inflation will be rampant, just wait when those Chinese stop delivering product for our Scotties, Arabs will need some money to calm their population, Indians won't deliver your jokeys for 1$ a pair, then me and you will push our cars with our asses naked.

Is that ok with you? Oh, you still will have few bucks in your pocket!

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 00:29 | 1032067 Spalding_Smailes
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What the fuck is that mish mash of third grade economic comprehension. I can't even forget enough to answer that.

Start with the basics. McConnell Brue • Microeconomics, I have the fourteenth edition so you should be able to find a copy, then study dollar denominated debt. That will put all your worries to rest. The world can't exit Ben's debt. Search dollar denominated debt, debt obligations on a global scale, new debt always needed so the nations, host banks and businesses can service said debt. Notice the swap lines with the EU. Ben is the only one with the keys to the printing press. Game over. And the balance sheet ? Open ended no bottom and no audit by Europe, China or anyone else. A bottomless pit with new debt being issued on a global scale everyday. Thus new debt will be needed in the future ( dollars ) so they can all service the obligations. 2,10, 20 years out ....


BusinessWeek - Piotr Skolimowski - Feb 28, 2011

The extra yield they demanded to own Poland's 10-year debt over their ... Poland is preparing to offerdollar-denominated bonds in the first half of this ... (press release) - 4 days ago

Investors' appetite for Canadian-dollar denominated high yield debt is strong and growing, as evidenced not only by the foregoing statistics but by the ...

Wall Street Journal - Katy Burne - Feb 23, 2011

... debt sale Wednesday for Caterpillar Financial Services, marking its inaugural sole lead mandate on a US dollar-denominated high-grade debt offering. ... - Harry Wilson - Feb 22, 2011

Russian Railways sold its first dollar-denominated bond last year, raising $1.5bn (£924m), as well as borrowing a further Rb30bn in the domestic rouble bond ...

Wall Street Journal - Natasha Brereton - P.R. Venkat - Feb 10, 2011

Finance Minister Martowardojo indicated earlier this week the planned US dollar-denominated bond issue could be smaller than its previous offerings. ...

(Mar 1, 2011 )South Africa will sell 30-year bonds in dollars, the longest-dated debt it has offered on international markets, a person familiar with the offering said.

Tue Mar 8, 2011 9:01pm EST (Reuters) - The Philippines is talking with banks on additional foreign debt issues this year, including a dollar-denominated bond sale, to complete its 2011 financing programme, a senior official said on Wednesday.

08 Mar, 2011 15:04:22 Sri Lanka sells US$192mn in floating rate bonds

Mar 08, 2011 (LBO) - Sri Lanka has sold 192 million US dollars in three and four year dollar denominated bonds mainly targeting local investors, rolling over existing maturing debt issued at much higher rates.

Got BooksBoy    ???????????
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 06:10 | 1032355 EscapeKey
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*GROAN* More of that web of debt bullshit theory. The reserve currency is NOT set in stone, and is subject to change. The Pound Sterling didn't remain the global reserve currency, the role of the US Dollar as invoicing currency is sliding, and as is its global share of the debt market:

In value terms, the share of the US dollar in total foreign-currency debt securities declined from more than 50% at the beginning of the 1990s to 43% in 2007.


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 10:26 | 1032640 Spalding_Smailes
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Oil, Commodities only traded in US Dollars .....

The U.S., however, has been the beneficiary of two unusual factors. First, the Social Security Trust Fund took in more revenue through payroll taxes leveraged on Baby Boomers than it needed. Ideally, this money should have been invested to be available when the Boomers retire. In reality, the Fund was "loaned" to the government to finance increased deficit spending. This interest-free loan helped keep Treasury Bond interest rates low, allowing more debt financing. However, it's not really a loan, since it can only be repaid by increased taxes when the Boomers do retire.

Second, foreign countries increased their holdings of Treasury Bonds as a safe haven, also keeping interest rates low. These holdings went from 13% in 1988 to 28% in 2009. (Source: U.S. Treasury report ”Petrodollars and Global Imbalances”, February 2006)

Even during the recession, countries like China and Japan increased their holdings of Treasuries to keep their currencies low relative to the dollar. For more, see How China Affects the U.S. Economy.

Of the total foreign holdings ($4.3 trillion), China owns $907 billion and Japan owns $877 billion. The U.K. owns $477 billion, while Brazil, the oil exporting countries, Hong Kong, Russia and Canada own between $100-$280 billion each. The Bureau of International Settlements suspects that much of the holdings by Belgium, Caribbean Banking Centers and Luxembourg are fronts for more oil-exporting countries, or hedge funds, that do not wish to be identified. (Source:Foreign Holding of U.S. Treasury Securities)

The following is a list of the Foreign Holders of Long-Term U.S. Treasury Securities as listed by the U.S. Treasury (revised by June 2010 survey completed February 28, 2011

China 26%

Japan 19%

UK 5%

Oil Exporters $4.5%

Caribbean 4%

Russia 4%

Swiss 2.5%

Total 77%


reserve currency, or anchor currency, is a currency that is held in significant quantities by many governments and institutions as part of their foreign exchange reserves. It also tends to be the international pricing currency for products traded on a global market, and commodities such as oilgold, etc.

This permits the issuing country to purchase the commodities at a marginally lower rate than other nations, which must exchange their currencies with each purchase and pay a transaction cost. For major currencies, this transaction cost is negligible with respect to the price of the commodity. It also permits the government issuing the currency to borrow money at a better rate, as there will always be a larger market for that currency than others.



In economics and business, a network effect (also called network externality or demand-side economies of scale) is the effect that one user of a good or service has on the value of that product to other people. When network effect is present, the value of a product or service increases as more people use it.

The classic example is the telephone. The more people own telephones, the more valuable the telephone is to each owner. This creates a positive externality because a user may purchase their phone without intending to create value for other users, but does so in any case. Online social networks work in the same way, with sites like Twitter and Facebook being more useful the more users join.

The expression "network effect" is applied most commonly to positive network externalities as in the case of the telephone. Negative network externalities can also occur, where more users make a product less valuable, but are more commonly referred to as "congestion" (as in traffic congestion or network congestion).

Over time, positive network effects can create a bandwagon effect as the network becomes more valuable and more people join, in a positive feedback loop.


The United States dollar is the most widely held reserve currency in the world today. Throughout the last decade, an average of two thirds of the total allocated foreign exchange reserves of countries have been in U.S. dollars. For this reason, the U.S. dollar is said to have "reserve-currency status," making it somewhat easier for the United States to run higher trade deficits with greatly postponed economic impact (see currency crisis). Central bank reserves held in dollar-denominated debt, however, are small compared to private holdings of such debt. In the event that non-United States holders of dollar-denominated assets decided to shift holdings to assets denominated in other currencies, there could be serious consequences for the U.S. economy. Changes of this kind are rare, and typically change takes place gradually over time; the markets involved adjust accordingly.

However the dollar remains the favorite reserve currency because it has stability along with assets such as United States Treasury security that have both scale and liquidity.



The euro is currently the second most commonly held reserve currency, comprising approximately a quarter of allocated holdings. After World War II and the rebuilding of the German economy (see the Wirtschaftswunder), the GermanDeutsche Mark gained the status of the second most important reserve currency after the US dollar. When the euro was launched on January 1, 1999, replacing the Mark, French Franc and ten other European currencies, it inherited the status of a major reserve currency from the Mark. Since then, its contribution to official reserves has risen continually as banks seek to diversify their reserves and trade in the eurozone continues to expand.[3]

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in September 2007 that the euro could replace the U.S. dollar as the world's primary reserve currency. It is "absolutely conceivable that the euro will replace the dollar as reserve currency, or will be traded as an equally important reserve currency."[4] Econometric analysis by Jeffery Frankel and Menzie Chinn suggests the euro may replace the U.S. dollar as the major reserve currency by 2020 if: (1) the remaining EU members, including the UK, adopt the euro by 2020 or (2) the recent depreciation trend of the dollar persists into the future.[5][6] In recent years, the euro's increase in the share of the worldwide currency reserve basket has continued to increase - albeit at a slower rate than prior to the beginning of the worldwide credit crunch related recession and sovereign debt crisis [


Before the launch of the euro in 1999, Milton Friedman predicted that the Eurozone would not survive its first economic crisis.

He noted that in a world of floating exchange rates, if one country faces a shock, it could simply respond by letting the exchange rate change. But with the arrival of the euro, that option is no longer available.

Mr. Friedman also highlighted the case of Ireland. In 2001, he said the country should have been tightening its monetary policy but couldn’t because it was tied into the new European currency. “The European Central Bank makes monetary policy for the whole of euroland.”

In the absence of currency flexibility, analysts say competitiveness can only be regained through real economic adjustment such as labour reductions and downward wage adjustment.

See the euro's issues today. They are having big problems with the haves and have-nots ...

• Video •

Clarke and Dawe - European Debt Crisis


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:09 | 1032918 EscapeKey
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Thanks for trying to overwhelm my argument, drown it out in noise. However, it all comes down to this;

Treasury bonds ARE debt. Foreign ownership of treasuries, therefore, are included when the global debt markets are considered, and despite treasuries increasing its overall stake of this market, the total US Dollar denominated debt as a percentage of the global foreign currency debt market is shrinking.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:01 | 1033109 Spalding_Smailes
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How is that possible when I just showed the treasury purchases have increased over the last ten years. Your article does not break down any of the numbers ... Oil must be purchased with dollars, and commodities are traded in dollars. This is fact.

See BIS ...


Also, the interbank lending between the eurozone countries in bonds is the only thing that comes close to dollar denominated debt. This is what's pushing down the numbers in your report. This is shown in all the graphs in the link I provide BIS Quarterly Review, December 2010 .

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:46 | 1033256 Spalding_Smailes
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The euro swap lines .... Ben never, ever has a margin call he owns the press.


So why did this spread to the US markets? Again from BoA:; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: initial; font-style: italic; background-position: 0% 0%;">

One might be tempted to conclude that the situation in Europe should not matter much for the US. We do not believe this is the case since the financial markets would create the “contagion”, and Libor can be the conduit.

USD Libor spiked over the past few weeks due to higher Libor submissions by non-US banks in the USD Libor setting panel. The higher USD Libor submission is ultimately a function of demand for dollars in Europe, which arises from large holdings of dollar assets by European banks.

According to the BIS, as of December 2009, European banks held $3.59 7tn of US debt (this US debt is both private and public dollar-denominated debt). Note that total dollar-denominated debt held by foreign banks is $5.393tn, implying that European banks hold two-thirds of the US debt held by banks worldwide.

This demand for USD financing overseas is also reflected in the significantly negative cross currency basis swap (see above), with the one-year EUR/USD swap at -50bp (versus -37bp at the end of March).

Further, the forward Libor-OIS have widened more than spot. We believe the market is essentially pricing in that the sovereign credit risk is not going away soon. This is also consistent with other measures such as the Libor 3s-1s basis, which also prices in continued stress.

Until there is some significant plan put in place that can be scaled up to support any country, contagion risk should put upward pressure on Libor. As Chart 10 shows, even though longer maturity Libor-FF have increased, it is still moderate compared with 2007-08. Thus, we believe there is more room to go in the Libor-FF widening.


The European banks as stated, hold huge amounts of Eurodollar denominated debt. As the Euro plunges, this creates a margin call, which happened in 2008 also, necessitating the Federal Reserve to institute dollar denominated Swap lines to the tune of some $580 billion.

This is based on the Eurodollar Bond, which pays interest and principal in Eurodollars, and due to lower regulatory standards, can be sold at a lower yield than US Treasuries. The TED spread then represents the market for Interest Rate Swaps. On an Interest Rate Swap contract one payment is based in the floating rate, or LIBOR, the other a fixed rate, normally the relevant US Treasury rate + spread.

What made TED’s possible was the discovery of using the Eurodollar strips to replicate a swap. Term TED’s are based on Eurodollar futures to create a synthetic Eurobond. The TED will then be the difference between the Treasury price and the price of the synthetic Eurobond.



Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:54 | 1033091 Eally Ucked
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Hey boy,

Don't read too much from those fabulous books and articles, they are very good for third grade thinkers and economists, the law of economics is still the same for few thousands of years and NOTHING will change them! I can float whatever I wish if there are enough idiots to believe my story, fundamental question is what is your $ based on, fate, military, your economic power or any other idea you can find in your readings.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:08 | 1033131 Spalding_Smailes
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So you could not turn off Glee for a few hours and read, sigh ..... Stay dumb, fine.


The dollar is based on trust, for many reasons, why do most countries store their gold in the USA ??? Because of trust, they can't trust China, not the Eurozone. Your right the basics in economics are very simple, but you can't even talk about the velocity of money and the fact that credit does not affect this until the money is spent on something, your a clown. Maybe some day your country will have 190 military bases keeping those countries safe ...Maybe in 80-100 years.


Now go back to work, boy, your country needs to pay those interest payments , boy .... They trade oil and commodities in dollars, boy ..... Lol'

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:32 | 1031746 reader2010
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Their government says the plastic rice is much better and healthier than the traditional rice.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:51 | 1031941 Clockwork Orange
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Procure several of Liu's leftover mistresses

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:11 | 1031199 johnQpublic
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wheres the list of whats not to be spoken about here in the US?

shit, wheres the list for every other country on the planet?


its easy enuf to pick up on the fact that it happens here...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:15 | 1031220 Long-John-Silver
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Edit out China, replace with America.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:26 | 1031255 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Agreed. You will hear what the owners of the media outlets drill into your feeble minds and allow you to hear.

Who owns the US media? What group of co-conspirators?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:58 | 1031370 EvlTheCat
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After reading a multitude of your useless posts, it amazes even me, that there may actually be someone out there who loves an arrogant person such as yourself.  I think the only feeble mind posting here on ZH is yours.  If all great women had to be measured by your standard of comments [if you are even a women] the sex would be shamed back to the stone age.  Lucky enough, men like myself, have much better examples of what great women are.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:59 | 1031373 israhole
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Well, at the top of the list on forbidden topics we have anything critical of abusive Israel.  Just look at how the Israel-firsters attacked that sweet old woman, Helen Thomas.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:12 | 1031416 TeamAmerica
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What about all the outrage over Israel using white phosphorus shells in Gaza?  

Something tells me you are biased, but I just can't quite put my finger on it (LOL).

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:44 | 1031545 serotonindumptruck
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White phosphorous is a chemical weapon. Its use is expressly forbidden under international convention. How convenient for Israel that they are not a signatory to such agreements.

You see this?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:49 | 1031574 oygevalt
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Thank you for keeping the laughs about your reading comprehension coming.  Your own link says: "Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze."  Last I checked, the Druze were not Zionist or Jewish.  Note how the Jewish Israeli soldiers - IN YOUR OWN LINKED ARTICLE - sided with the Palestinians.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:56 | 1031586 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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And this:

And if you get a chance take a quick look:

"The Arab Revolutions are Heading to Palestine"

Look out!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:14 | 1031685 serotonindumptruck
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What happens here in the USA is equally important.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:21 | 1031708 AR15AU
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If white phosphorus is a chemical weapon, then so is gunpowder. You fucking idiots amaze me.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:39 | 1031768 oygevalt
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Please come up with one, single, solitary journalistic source that is verifiable.  Just one.  Verifiable.  Or shut up.  You do your credibility no favors with the crap you link to.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:43 | 1031778 serotonindumptruck
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The Truth stings a bit, does it?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:49 | 1031792 oygevalt
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Not as much as your failure to move up from kindergarten to first grade, I'm sure.  Can you provide an independently verifiable, journalistic source, and link to something other than over-the-top rants?  And can you explain why, in your quest to incite hatred against Jews, you are linking to a news story that if true EXONERATES them?  You are a joke.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:54 | 1031806 serotonindumptruck
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If you're expecting a link to Haaretz or Jerusalem Post then I regret to inform you that you will be disappointed.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:30 | 1031887 oygevalt
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No, a link to any journalist who doesn't require meds to prevent the bogeyman from showing up would do.  I would take anyone on the spectrum from Maddow to Hannity to perhaps even Jones.  Can you produce simple verification, or are you limited to linking to random blogs?  Most people would understand why that request would be made.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:53 | 1031947 serotonindumptruck
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Okay, how about Noam Chomsky?

"Israel's use of white phosphorus against Gaza civilians is "clear and undeniable," AI reported, condemning its repeated use in densely populated civilian areas as "a war crime."

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:27 | 1032007 oygevalt
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I personally don't care for some of what Chomsky writes, and I think we could go around forever about the substance, but yes, I will give you that he is not a moonbat blogger.  Thank you for finally linking to one who is not.  Unfortunately, the original topic wasn't even about white phosphorus, which is indeed an "agent" with horrible effects, but no chemical weapon as you posited; the original topic was about whether (Jewish) Israelis killed a schoolgirl for the hell of it.  Can you please come back with a reasonably credible source for that.particular.story?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:49 | 1032046 serotonindumptruck
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 00:07 | 1032068 oygevalt
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This link is full of random ads and a picture of what appears to be Yanni in a wig.  The content seems almost as ridiculous as Yanni's 'do.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 01:41 | 1032223 baby_BLYTHE
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 11:26 | 1032980 ArgentDawn
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Rense the reptilian? What's next a GLP link?


People will believe the dumbest things...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:08 | 1031839 BigJim
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Yeah, yeah, we get it, criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:18 | 1031864 Eally Ucked
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I have to say that you are worse than Adam Neira, I'm really disappointed, btw, did they fire him for some reason? And you are surprised by anything?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:29 | 1031895 oygevalt
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I fail to understand how asking for verifiable support for allegations is a threat, if you have the goods to back them up.  It's also conveniently ignored how your pal above doesn't bother to read his own links about Palestinians and Israelis.  Given that's the "evidence," forgive me for being skeptical.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:03 | 1031829 Michael
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11th Commandment never speak of this. What about the 300+ nukes Israel has as exposed by president Jimmy Carter?

12th commandment; Never speak the name Alex Jones on MSM.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:14 | 1031859 Michael
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Another good discussion about Israeli Zionism going on here in this video. Somebody opened up a Pandora's box on this issue bigtime. Everybodies talking about it now. And for the record, I did not start it here on this thread.

NPR Muslim Brotherhood Investigation Part I



Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:36 | 1031913 oygevalt
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Serontonin, Eally, BigJim - are you paying attention here?  I disagree with Michael's posted opinions on damn near everything.  I disagree with his spin.  But did you ever notice how he takes the time and effort to actually support the shit he has to say with actual journalistic sources?  Michael, while almost always ultimately disagreeing with his take, I can give the benefit of the doubt to, because he often comes up with items that are actual *news* - that is, not opinion, or fantasy.  Notice I have never gone after him.  That I save for the likes of lazy jackasses who think making a case is the same as Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V from some random blog. 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:25 | 1032003 Spalding_Smailes
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Great point about Mike •

He's real, and lays it all out in his post. Even if your not a big Alex Jones fan or whatever ....

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:18 | 1031434 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Great point. Speak and they will remove your tongue using whatever means are most disgraceful.

Examine EvlTheCat comment above. Attempts to silence. Just like many power hungry men I know, attacking women. For what reason?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:23 | 1031472 TeamAmerica
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Riiiiight.   Some of the posters here on ZH are agents of the Ministry of Truth attempting to silence you.

Now, why "they" don't just pull the plug on this den of dissent is a mystery.   Perhaps "they" find it useful to track who posts here, and what they say.   Makes life easy for TPTB when people self-identify themselves here on ZH.

Ergo...ZH is a tool of The Ministry.   Have a nice day.  :-)

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:29 | 1031494 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Judge Jewdy leaving her breadcrumbs. Tasty treats for TeamAmerica's uncontrollable urge to consume.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:58 | 1032063 StychoKiller
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Wheels within wheels...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:03 | 1031642 oygevalt
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I doubt it's because you are (or pose as) a woman.  I think it might just be because you're a hate-mongering idiot.  You think?  You are yet another poster, in any event, who thinks that government agents have nothing better to do than listen to and entice his/her rantings, and just can't seem to grasp that a real troll probably would want to befriend, not to antagonize.  But if it makes you feel important, then go pat yourself on the back.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:24 | 1031720 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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My Catbird Seat. Don't leave home without it.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:36 | 1031756 oygevalt
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I can't believe that anyone would seriously cite that as a news source.  But you're the arbiter of truth, eh?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:15 | 1031983 Alienated Serf
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stop feeding the trolls. 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 18:09 | 1034265 BlakeFelix
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Judge Judy is VERY SRS BZNZ!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:34 | 1031277 dwdollar
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American propaganda works differently.  Instead of getting a list of things *NOT* to hype, you get a list of things *TO* hype.  It's easier to deny repression that way.  Instead, it may be attributed to higher ratings.  "Well, we're just telling the people what they want to hear..."

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:46 | 1031327 EscapeKey
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Well, that, plus drowning out valid information in disinformation.

That's how the American military kept secrets during WW2. It wasn't because spies didn't exist, supplying the enemy with information. It was that information was deliberately leaked, so the enemy didn't know which of 40 plans was the correct one.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:38 | 1031300 BorisTheBlade
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happens everywhere, chinese actually appear to be quite unsophisticated about their methods, just distribute the list to the network, what to supress, what to hype.

another way of supressing the truth is by creating so much noise around it that people would be too distracted to tell the difference between truth and a lie. best place to hide the tree is in the forest.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:12 | 1031210 Seasmoke
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Lie - (-LIE) = TRUTH

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:35 | 1031906 Rhodin
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Better beLIEve it!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:16 | 1031218 bob_dabolina
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Central Propaganda Bureau:

All stations are required to hype the story that hope and change has arrived. The message of economic recovery should be especially hyped on "CNBC"


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:14 | 1031427 TeamAmerica
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SERIOUSLY?!?  CNBC is a tool of the Obama administration?   Guess Joe Kernan and Larry Ludlow didn't get that memo, just to name a couple.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:11 | 1031675 bob_dabolina
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Steve Liesman and Jim Cramer didn't get it either.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:29 | 1031893 NidStyles
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Coordinated discourse is still coordinated.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:16 | 1031221 NOTW777
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most of this admin. has been a "dept of truth"

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:51 | 1031338 zaknick
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Kool-aid! Kool-aid!


Who wants some Kool-aid?


manipulation in the US has been rampant for decades... your comment is a product of it


And yes,the little Keynian snake oil salesman is a buffoon who works for the banksters just like every other goddamned admin. since Woodrow Wilson (probably, except FDR during coup-time, and during the fearless and magnificent John F. Kennedy).


I should know, I voted for him... what an idiot.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:51 | 1031344 EscapeKey
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Kenyan + Keynesian = Keynian?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:05 | 1031394 DavidPierre
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 While Woodrow Wilson claims to be eager to “make the world safe for”, that does not include the United States of America where, within a few months of his declaration of war, Wilson has instituted a fascist regime in which freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of the press are but distant memories.

 The primary tools of oppression are the Sedition Act and the Espionage Act.

 It is now a crime to say, write or publish anything critical of ze government or even, (and I'm not making this shit up), its "symbols".

 Don't you be makin' fun of no fucking Bald Eagles now.

Punishment for attempting to exercise freedom of speech in the United States of America is a fine of up to $10,000 (at a time when the typical factory worker might make fifty cents an hour) or twenty years in prison.

The power to suppress free speech and freedom of assembly under the acts is largely delegated to private vigilante groups, most notoriously the American Protective League, but there are lots of others.

The Espionage Act is used to silence and imprison Americans who speak out or write against the war and to harass and silence activists, union organizers, socialists and mouthy "aliens".

Woodrow Wilson, a big fan of the Ku Klux Klan who, in one of his first acts as president, had mandated apartheid throughout the federal government, decides he's gotta get all them niggers on board for the war.

His ministry of propaganda, the Committee on Public Information (CPI) leaves no rock unturned in its quest for total mass mind control in America and intimidates black leaders into using black media to support his regime's flip flop on the war.

In one of its greatest twistings of the fabric of reality, the CPI, allegedly concerned with “Negro subversion”, attributes racial unrest in the United States to the "influence of German propaganda" rather than to slavery, wholesale lynching, repeated pogroms against blacks, official apartheid and endemic racism.

Among the many fronts in Wilson's offensive against black Americans is the creation of a military intelligence unit to spy on blacks and a campaign to "encourage" prominent blacks to support the war, threatening and intimidating those expressing a "dangerous" anti-war viewpoint.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:17 | 1031224 velobabe
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tyler you have over 20,000 thousand, twenty thousand, followers on tweeter. congrats, and on

International PUSSY appreciation day†

just a shout out to charlie sheen, you have a half million more tweeters following you then the Dalia Lama. now i would say that specks volume about our current culture. i guess it is all good!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:43 | 1031311 High Plains Drifter
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And now ,

a song for Charlie

Traffic 1972

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:08 | 1031406 MsCreant
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From the same era, maybe more to the point:

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:44 | 1031553 High Plains Drifter
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red hot chili peppers

castles made of sand

charlie didn't have to stop, he just kept on goin.....

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:47 | 1031931 slewie the pi-rat
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t.y., MsC. 

steve winwood breathes; music happens!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:17 | 1031231 terryg999
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Rachael Maddow take notice!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:19 | 1031239 Long-John-Silver
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You just made me gag

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:22 | 1031240 Spalding_Smailes
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The Day of the Last (Virtual) Rock Fight


“the boyz in the hood are always hard, keep talking that smack then then they’ll pull your card, want nuthin in life then to be legit, don’t quote me boy case I ain’t said sh**.” -NWA

The totality of Chinese government authority is nothing new to me. From comedic tales of uber-popular comedian Zhao Ban Shan’s censoring for saying a few lines on this year’s Spring Festival program without official approval to my own work-related examples where events planned for month suddenly going “belly up” because some leader somewhere felt it was “bad.” Naturally, then not much should shock me, or so I thought but this weekend near total Internet blackout (at least for me here Wuhan) has been an eye-opener in that is was so quick, so massive and so thorough.


From Sunday1 after till now Monday at 10:30 PM2 I still have no Internet access on my home network. (So, if your reading this China Telecom: f** you!) At work, access was available but only barely … most Chinese sites worked but non Western sites did. Normally that wouldn’t be a problem except the fact that I use Gmail and a proprietary e-mail client for work and those were dead. Luckily, the cut off did not limit 3G service (which seems strange or perhaps it’s because not enough people use 3G to warrant CCP nervousness.) but slogging through 15 plus e-mails by tap-typing on a phone is a deadly game. This got me to wondering how many others were out there … cut off from access in their normal work, study or other non-political activities who are being punished by the indiscriminate nature of the crackdown. But those thoughts were quickly quashed by the realization that the “old boys” that called for a testing of the “Internet kill switch” are …. “just not into … the masses” or more appropriately “old, vested and just don’t give a f***.”

So if you are at all reliant on the Internet for work, play, study or whatever;3 if you are a tech company that thinks you want (or need) to “be in China,” Be warned that you/we are all at absolute mercy of the Internet leash holders and their flunkies.4

But what can we do … I (we) unfortunately have become so dependent on the web that to “go off the grid” is nearly impossible for most of us. In China the choices are bad5 and worse.6


But we can and must fight for and support Net Freedom and liberation technology but what is the point if you all “they” have to do is turn off the Internet. Is there another way to win this war on information?


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:21 | 1031242 Cdad
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Today's session was text book Ministry of Truth action on The Blow Horn [CNBC].  The number of important stories NOT covered outnumbered the number of stories reported during their entire broadcast day.

And since we are on the subject of the Ministry of Truth, it has become utterly shameful how CNBC's Closing Bell has simply become a two hour long infomercial put on by the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street.  There is absolutely nothing to be learned during M. Bartiromo's show...nothing...unless your thing is Three Card Monte.

The transformation of The Blow Horn [CNBC] into the Ministry of simply jaw- dropping.


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:26 | 1031247 virgilcaine
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Charlie is broadcasting his decline worldwide. I don't think anyone has had such a fast or mass audience meltdown.  Kind of reckless but ballzy No?

Anything to distract the sheople as well.


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:32 | 1031272 mynhair
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But Chrohns' Corner is soooo entertaining!


Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:22 | 1031249 Segestan
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This is impossible... China is the future, our bankers, industry leaders and high moral leaders including Chief Dumbo has said so... you dare question the direction of social engineered progress??

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:24 | 1031254 Misean
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And to think, in this country TPTB don't even need to order those things.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:39 | 1031303 Shell Game
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Agreed. Not necessary in this era of hyper-obedience.

"The nail that stands out gets pounded down hard" -Japanese proverb

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:04 | 1031396 zaknick
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"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
- Samuel Adams


"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

"A nation which has forgotten the quality of courage which in the past has been brought to public life is not as likely to insist upon or regard that quality in its chosen leaders today - and in fact we have forgotten."

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men."

"A man does what he must-in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures-and that is the basis of all human morality."

"A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. "

John F. Kennedy

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:59 | 1031627 serotonindumptruck
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My favorite JFK quote:

"Forgive your enemies, but remember their names." -- John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 14:35 | 1037170 Shell Game
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Preachin' to the choir, my friend, but a good sermon none the less.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:32 | 1031265 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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So this is the next superpower? China? I laugh their government is scared that their population will turn against them. China is all hype,they have mass pollution,a massive population,and a demographics crisis coming. China looks good on the outside but in the inside they are weak. Its communist system is crumbling very slowly.China is going to fall and plunge the world into a hyper depression when their death real estate bubble star explodes. Also when they have hyperinflation the people will revolt and we could have a civil war in China. Looks like we are going to have an apolar world. A world with a superpower.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:57 | 1031951 Rhodin
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Yup.  I agree totally. But just sometimes i have this nightmare.


Nightmare scenario:  Us forces are fully engaged in expanded ME war.  EMP devices have taken out air defences and missles.  Other weapon systems are compromised by trojans in Chinese made motherboards.  I am visiting west coast friends, go outside and observe thousands of converted boeings dropping Chinese paratroopers.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:57 | 1032064 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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Yeah your living a Red Dawn paranoia. China cannot invade the Fiji islands,let alone mainland America. China can only invade nations near its border(Mongolia,Vietnam,Laos,North and South Korea,India etc). China's amphibous capabilities are laughable at best. So do not worry about a chinese invasion because they do not have the logisitcs and capabilities to do it and we 85,000,000 gun owners in the nation.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 00:20 | 1032093 floydian slip
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 01:42 | 1032227 Rhodin
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It is unlikely, and i neither fear nor believe in the dreams.   Usually have one or two a year, in springtime.   None of them involve amphibous landings or standard military sea transport, usually cargo ships and airliners.

But it is possible.  To envision how they could make it work, imagine our tech is down, most US forces are tied up overseas, you are them, with their agents in place, resources, scruples, excess manpower etc. and you are ordered to plan it.    

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:31 | 1031268 buzzsaw99
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and now zh is banned in china.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:33 | 1031275 mynhair
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lol, I know how it feels - good.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:41 | 1031306 zaknick
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One can only weep at the "efficiency" of our own propaganda masters.


They have mastered Goebbels science down to a t. You better believe that.


Luckily, they are quickly learning from the best.


Wrong, you were born to the scientific dictatorship Matrix, you just appear unaware of that fact, Mr Durden substitue. It's all around you,permeating your senses with myths that you call reality, Mr Durden substitute.




Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:42 | 1031309 MsCreant
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OT, or not. I'm embarassed, I won't give you the link, but I just read that they are saying that Gadaffi may have used a nuke on his own people. Seems pretty Tin Foil, but... Ministry of Truth may not want that one out.

Benghazi Explosion, if you care.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:43 | 1031318 High Plains Drifter
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The ministry of truth will send out torpedos of truth.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:02 | 1031638 serotonindumptruck
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More like a JDAM and/or MOAB style of truth.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:47 | 1031321 mynhair
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We believe all infowars offers, but it seems the WTC was relocated to  Benghazi.

Ah hell, just another Amtrak derailment.

Give me high speed rail at 20 mph!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:59 | 1031381 cougar_w
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Highly improbable.

However I would not rule out any reports of mustard gas being used, the regime is verified to have a lot of that stuff laying around.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:19 | 1031453 TeamAmerica
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Ok ZH posters, which is it?   You believe the situation in Libya is all psy-ops to justify an invasion, or there really is a situation and it's being covered up so we don't have to deal with it?

Y'all need to get your crazy-ass stories straight and stop contradicting each other.   ROFLMAO!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:18 | 1031866 BigJim
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Yes... because all ZH posters should think the same.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:45 | 1031326 cougar_w
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Something about that list looked fishy to me. I don't put any of it past the ChiComs, but that just didn't smell right to me. Can anyone verify this intel as legit?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:48 | 1031334 mynhair
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Yep, it's good fish.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:52 | 1031349 MsCreant
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I smelled the same smell kitty. I attributed it to the fact it was a translation and moved on. So much smells, it's hard for a sensible predator such as yourself to sort it all out.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:56 | 1031361 mynhair
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Food is where you find it, I guess.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:58 | 1031376 Spalding_Smailes
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Watch this video and see who you trust ....


101 East - China's dirty secrets

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:00 | 1031384 cougar_w
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First principles; I don't trust videos.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:15 | 1031400 Spalding_Smailes
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But you trust China ??? So you don't trust video's .... So you don't want to watch villagers complaining about pollution or the sick. No problem, it's all in color .... Grab some popcorn.


 About one third of the industrial waste water and more than 90 percent of household sewage in China is released into rivers and lakes without being treated. Nearly 80 percent of China's cities (278 of them) have no sewage treatment facilities and few have plans to build any and underground water supplies in 90 percent of the cites are contaminated.

 Water shortages and water pollution in China are such a problem that the World Bank warns of “catastrophic consequences for future generations.” Half of China’s population lacks safe drinking water. Nearly two thirds of China’s rural population—more than 500 million people—use water contaminated by human and industrial waste.

 By one estimate one sixth of China’s population is threatened by seriously polluted water. One study found that eight of 10 Chinese coastal cities discharge excessive amounts of sewage and pollutants into the sea, often near coastal resorts and sea farming areas. Most of China’s rural areas have no system in place to treat waste water.

 Water pollution—caused primarily by industrial waste, chemical fertilizers and raw sewage— accounts for half of the $69 billion that the Chinese economy loses to pollution every year. About 11.7 million pounds of organic pollutants are emitted into Chinese waters very day, compared to 5.5 in the United States, 3.4 in Japan, 2.3 in Germany, 3.2 in India, and 0.6 in South Africa.

 Water consumed by people in China contains dangerous levels of arsenic, fluorine and sulfates. An estimated 980 million of China’s 1.3 billion people drink water every day that is partly polluted. More than 600 million Chinese drink water contaminated with human or animal wastes and 20 million people drink well water contaminated with high levels of radiation. A large number of arsenic-tainted water have been discovered. China’s high rates of liver, stomach and esophageal cancer have been linked to water pollution.

 In many cases factories fouling critical water sources are making goods consumed by people in the U.S. and Europe. Problems created by China’s water pollution are not just confined to China either. Water pollution and garbage produced in China floats down its rivers to the sea and is carried by prevailing winds and currents to Japan and South Korea.

 Water pollution and shortages are a more serious problem in northern China than southern China. The percentage of water considered unfit for human consumption is 45 percent in northern China, compared to 10 percent in southern China. Some 80 percent of the rivers in the northern province of Shanxi have been rated “unfit for human contact.”

 A poll conducted by the Pew Research Center before the 2008 Olympics found that 68 percent of the Chinese interviewed said they were concerned about water pollution.



• Link • Pictures • Horrific


Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China | ChinaHush


Eugene Smith Grant in Humanistic Photography for his documentary project “Pollution in China.”

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:55 | 1031362 Dr. Porkchop
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I remember reading a story on Chinese propaganda in the paper that reported that most Chinese believe that smoking is good for them, and that their gov't tells them so.

Not too far-fecthed considering they were sticking to the same story in the US less than 20 years ago.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:02 | 1031386 cougar_w
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Encouraging people to smoke doesn't have to be gov propaganda; corporations are quite happy to spend $billions toward that very purpose, and do so all the time.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:25 | 1031479 MsCreant
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It's weird there. I saw a colleague present her research on China and Tobacco. The short version is that the corporations are state owned, but they have them compete with each other, and then the ones that are more successful, they employ their best practices at the other corporations. There is a great deal of feedback on the ground back to the leadership. The Chinese, according to her, love western tobacco brands and will chose those at a rate of like 100 to 1. The market share for their own shit is really tiny. Their domestic stuff gets marketed by the government because the government IS the corporation(s).

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:30 | 1032012 Alienated Serf
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and here the corporations are the government.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 02:20 | 1032257 Non Passaran
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That is completely wrong.
Your friend is misinformed.
Local cigarettes are much cheaper. Period.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:16 | 1033173 MsCreant
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She is Chineese, lived there all her life until she got her doctorate, then went back over there to do the research. She spent time at every level except the very highest (fields, management, etc.) If she is wrong-- wow. But a key part of the presentation was that the state was trying to compete with western brands so they were indeed marketing the cigarettes to their own people. 

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:17 | 1031440 Rainman
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All that anti-obesity, no smoking, no trans fat bullshit coming out of is hard on the SS outflow. Maybe High Command will figure that out someday.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 02:26 | 1032259 Non Passaran
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Perhaps it wouldn't have been posted if the poster did not verify it beforehand?
Now because you're lazy too google it someone is supposed to go out of their way to verify the story for you? Hah!

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:47 | 1031330 Dr. Porkchop
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America doesn't need a ministry of truth. You have a fawning media that salutes whatever is run up the flagpole. They self censor with enthusiasm.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:51 | 1031337 mynhair
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"America doesn't need a ministry of truth."

We have Amerikan Idle.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:55 | 1031356 Misean
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Self censor?!?! They're true believers in the faith of the omiscient state. They're just Red-Shirt Blue-Shirt sectarians.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:03 | 1031393 cougar_w
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Censorship is hardly unique to communism. People will happily self-censor simply to get rich. It's called talking your book.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:13 | 1031417 Misean
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I never said the U.S. was a defacto communist state. Kinda the whole point of my comment.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:54 | 1031343 Spalding_Smailes
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• Video •

BBC Reporter Roughed Up By Chinese Police

Tiny "Jasmine Revolution" protest in Hong Kong - Al Jazeera 110306

China now spending more on internal security than the military. Per official report $ 83 Billion.

Asia Brief March 07, 2011

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 19:54 | 1031353 mynhair
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"Silver retakes $36.00"

Any chart.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:02 | 1031388 Spalding_Smailes
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Can't post charts. 

But the fact Silver has been at $ 5.00 for 93% of the time over the last 50 years speaks volumes. We had a securitization market since 1980 and its up over 1 Quadrillion so the debt issues SS, Pensions, ect have been known for a very long time. Not sure if it stays above $20 for the next 5 years, history says no.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:04 | 1031395 EscapeKey
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1 oz of silver is still worth 1 oz of silver. It's the value of the Dollar which is slipping.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:17 | 1031442 Spalding_Smailes
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Open up a 50 year chart on silver.

Open up a chart of the dollar over the last 50 years.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:29 | 1031495 Misean
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Facile nitwit.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 22:22 | 1031873 BigJim
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Open up a chart of the dollar over the last 50 years.

A chart of the dollar against what, exactly?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:19 | 1031989 Lord Welligton
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"Open up a 50 year chart on silver.

Open up a chart of the dollar over the last 50 years."

Open up a chart of Spalding_Smailes over the last 50 years.


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 05:29 | 1032357 EscapeKey
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I like how you claim "history says no" when the issue of silver valuation comes up, but when questioning if a reserve currency says forever, you just blatantly ignore history.

History is only good to prove your own points, apparently.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:46 | 1031563 Bastiat
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I like the GSR as a way of pricing silver.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 23:22 | 1031996 Lord Welligton
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Are you a robot?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:00 | 1031382 JohnG
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"From the Central Propaganda Bureau: All media are not to report or hype the news that Liu Zhijun had 18 mistresses."


Soooooooo, does he golf as well?

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:04 | 1031389 mynhair
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Got pics of the 'mistresses'?  McBags is short on fodder...

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:03 | 1031391 CrazyCooter
Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:11 | 1031415 mynhair
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You DO know your handle appears on each post, right?  So why repeat it in a signature?

(PS, mine never shows up)

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 21:53 | 1031798 Dr. Porkchop
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I often wonder why people at work put their email address in their email sig. I just assume that people are smart enough to figure it out otherwise. If they can't, then hey.. I've probably saved myself from another pointless exchange. I keep my phone extension out of there too. To include it would only encourage people to call and ask questions. I don't care to openly invite that.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:06 | 1031398 Hannibal
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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1031402 mynhair
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then puke.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 20:16 | 1031445 Lord Koos
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#1 in China is to keep the military happy.  They aren't just armed forces, they are a huge business cartel with mafia-like power.

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