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Are Body Scanners Coming to Subways, Trains, Boats and Federal Buildings?
For those who think that the resistance to TSA groping and naked body scanning is over-the-top, take a look at this video and these quotes.
Scanning and invasive pat downs might be a necessary evil if there were no alternatives, but there are alternatives.
In fact, the alternatives would keep us safer than the peep-and-grope system we have now.
For example, trained dogs can detect many dangerous items which pat downs cannot. Or you could just blow up the terrorists (please ignore the religious smear).
Of course, it would help if we stop creating new terrorists. See this, this and this. But that would be bad for the handful of guys raking in big bucks from the protection racket.
Ron Paul is calling for an airline boycott, saying:
If we tolerate this there is something wrong with us.
But
this may not be limited to airlines and airports. Janet Napolitano,
head of the Department Homeland Security and Senator Joe Lieberman,
chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, appear to be pushing for the use of body scanners in subways, trains, boats and federal buildings.
And in July, USA Today noted:
Protecting riders on mass-transit systems from
terrorist attacks will be as high a priority as ensuring safe air
travel, the new head of the Transportation Security Administration
promises.
In his first interview since taking over the TSA, former FBI
deputy director John Pistole told USA TODAY that some terrorists
consider subway and rail cars an easier target than heavily secured
planes. "Given the list of threats on subways and rails over the last
six years going on seven years, we know that some terrorist groups see
rail and subways as being more vulnerable because there's not the type
of screening that you find in aviation," he said. "From my perspective,
that is an equally important threat area."
Indeed, as Forbes' Andy Greenberg notes, mobile backscatter x-ray scanners are already being mounted in vans and used on American streets:
The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. streets.
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It
would also seem to make the vans mobile versions of the same scanning
technique that’s riled privacy advocates as it’s been deployed in
airports around the country.***
“It’s no surprise that
governments and vendors are very enthusiastic about [the vans],” says
Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC. “But from a privacy
perspective, it’s one of the most intrusive technologies conceivable.”
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Maybe they could use these fucking machines to wall off the border. Isn't it amazing that they'll do anything and everything to make our lives miserable, but they won't police the border?
The goal is not security. Everyone needs to understand that.
*way-cool* comment (esp. re: the border).
taking that one with me, if you don't mind...
cheers
This is just like anti-piracy measures in the game/music/movie industry. People who want to get around them, do, and they usually do that pretty easy. People who suffer (and pay premiums) are those who didn't do anything illegal. I remember a few months ago, a game studio "invented" the perfect copy protection: their game wouldn't play unless the computer was connected all the time to their servers. A few days after the launch, a cracked copy showed up on p2p and another few days later their servers crashed (traffic, hacker attacks, I don't remember); that meant that only people with cracked copies could play the game ... not to metion the Sony rootkit scandal a few years ago.
No one actually did anything (signifficant) about it and things kept going; I don't expect anything different with this also. How I wish I'm wrong!
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/101122_tsa.htm
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TSA Gestapo Empire
By Paul Craig Roberts
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"If Al Qaeda was anything like the organization that the US government claims, it would not be focused on trivial targets such as passenger airliners. The organization, if it exists, would be focused on its real enemies.:...
GW, combine this with the fag-agenda and one really does have a Nazi-Chertoff cluster fuck.
I don't want some dyke groping my tits for other passengers to enjoy.
Having girls inspect girls, and boys inspect boys is a racket of epic proportions now that the world lives by no fag left behind...
Wait until TSA pictures of "headless" hot chicks with pierced clits start circulating on the internet -- which is a guarantee!
The answer will be more security, to protect me from myself.
Can anyone confirm the bullshit statistics that say over 60% of Americans want scans in the name of oppression? Is the calculation from the BLS?
The TSA makes it abundantly clear that the terrorists have completely won. TSA = terrorists stealing all.
FUCK THE TSA, and FUCK AN AMERICA THAT SUPPORTS IT!
change the political system before its too late. Start with a slate of Libertarians and go from there.
even with its faults, the libertarian platform would be a *MUCH LESS* expensive mistake to make than we're making now.
hell, even getting "nothing done" in congress would be friggin *great* right now.
Wouldn't moaning excessively for women (and/or getting a boner for men) basically get the TSA's to halt what they're doing? Is there any rule saying you have to act dignified while being searched?
You know basically do a take from the fake orgasm scene from When Harry Met Sally.
LOL
I say don't fight it... Phhhuck with it.
The real fear has a very clear name: Homeland Security. We all know it . . . it's why nobody is willing to step out of line.
REAL FUCKIN CUTE: http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=124&a=2389
Quote: "What do you want to do, get blown up by a goddamn Arab at 30,000 feet or we get to see your private parts? It's up to you, the ball's in your park," head of the TSA's scanning department, Rodney Schroeder, told CNN."
Well, Mr. Schroeder, I'd rather take my chances with the Arab terrorists, than see my kids getting molested by you minimum wage assholes.
Take a closer look at the site: It's a satire publication like The Onion.
MISSING POINT
Seems that this whole bag of groping tricks and scan nation has been the part of the plan.
Trillions given to the banks-no jobs created
Could have justified job creation by putting those funds to hiway infrastructure /railsystems for travel
Enter the purpose-what an easy way to herd the majority of folks into security containment facilities aka CHECKPORTS/ AIRPORTS-just a different form of national ID as they collate/photograph/fingerprint/interrogate and do cunnilingus on you in their minds.
Come to think about it by the time you go through all the BS at the checkport you could have driven over half the distance of your destination and no BS.
Just drive and enjoy the peace.
My 2 cents
America 2012- ID and papers required to travel state to state..body scanned to attend any public event..the elites know they need to turn America into the gulag.
War on terror no War FOR TERROR..look in the mirror you will see the target.
Yes, much cheaper and "happy face" than camps. And it keeps the slaves pickin' the cotton.
How many people die from cigarette smoking yet it is still legal? Compared to the people who die from terrorist attacks?
Oh but the killing pimps give big bribes don't they
The elite who organised and implemented stuff called yes the credit crisis, to get ready us ready for the NWO and this is just another way to control the masses. My wife was malested by a bodyguard and I lost my cool with him and they nearly whisked us both off! I was very irrate.
Time to wake up people.
Go have a look at http://www.forecastfortomorrow.com those guys have been spot on about the market crash in 08' the recent elections (repubs swaming) and what is coming very soon. You need to educate yourself and wake up. Time to prepare was yesterday.
Cheers hedgies!!
Youtube! Porntube! XNXX.COM - Bodyscanner section (official porn site of The U.S. Military!)
fuck you government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04&feature=related
Hey ZH crew, please check it, I bumped into the damn major plan for NORTHCOM make total martial law-type stuff, i.e. domestic detention facilities, riot control, warrantless search and seizure. Docs posted on an Army Corps serve prove the Army is revising CONPLAN 3502. Get a handle on it before the G20/RNC style party comes to your town!
http://tc.indymedia.org/2010/nov/tc-indymedia-exclusive-secret-trigger-b...
and an intro video even a Countrywide loan officer could understand. Well maybe not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaacTx9oi1A
I think I'll make a whole post just out of respek for this thread.
nothing will protect people from lies, greed and corruption
history has a habit of transferring ownership of countries.
you could call it a constant.
The only thing that will keep the USA safe from attacks like 9/11 or any other kind of terrorist attack is a reasonable foreign policy that does not make foreigners want to bomb our country.... This scanning and groping BS just punishes the population and further decreases our liberty and diminishes our standard of living, of course, that is the price the 99% of the population pays for being forced to support the kleptocratic agenda....
A paranoid nation.
Easy to manipulate and easy to deceive.
The only relevant question is:
Who is producing the scanners and what is the ticker?
Zionist terrorist son and former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff.
Group slams Chertoff on scanner promotionhttp://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/01/02/group_s...
Look,
I get from your name and post where you are coming from.
It is simply not so. The US is controlled by the same dumb-ass WASPS that it was 200 years ago. It's just that they have gotten much stupider and we all need someone else to blame.
Let's not be anti-semites here-i understand that there are a lot of Jews in high level positions in the areas where people feel fucked over the most. But ask yourself: "could that have been a ruse set up by design by the same idiots that have ruled this country for centuries?" I think so, not the other way around.
You guys are missing the bigger picture here.
When you see an action by a government actor that seems utterly stupid or irrational, there are three possible reasons for that action.
One, the government actor is truly that stupid, which is certainly the case some of the time, but is actually a rarity and usually limited to minor decisions.
Two, the government actor's action, while damaging and foolish for "Average Joe" America as whole, is quite profitable and thoughtful for a specific and narrow special interest who is instigating the action. This is, of course, quite frequent today, for example, in the banking industry, as ZH has widely documented. This action is usually accompanied by disinformation and spin to distract from the influence of the special interest, but even so, the action is usually relatively narrow in "big picture" scope.
Three, the government actor's action, while damaging and foolish for "Average Joe" America as a whole, is a strategic step in a larger "big picture" agenda of the Elite Josephs. In this case, while the action may look stupid, it is usually quite ingenious with respect to the larger strategic agenda. The spin and disinformation campaign here is to link the action to a completely separate "decoy" agenda, and to even encourage public ridicule of the "stupid" idea, as long as that ridicule positively reinforces the connection between the action and the "decoy" agenda. In this case, the emotional release the public gets from railing against "those idiots in Congress" is a small price to pay for stealth promotion of the larger strategic agenda. A good analogy is a chess game where Elite Joseph sacrifices a pawn on an early move to secure a checkmate ten moves later on a clueless Average Joe.
The increased security measures are an example of action #3, with the decoy agenda being the protection of America from terrorism.
If you think you are being particularly insightful in pointing out the issues of Peak Oil, Peak Credit, the financial Ponzi, etc., realize that others within the intelligence community are light-years ahead of you and have already war-gamed the various scenarios. While there are more positive alternatives, many of those scenarios end up with a hungry, angry, impoverished Average Joe turning on Elite Joseph.
Elite Joseph is not creating new security arrangements to protect Average Joe from the terrorists, they are creating them to protect Elite Joseph from Average Joe. They can clearly see the rising level of anger, and as they are throughly outnumbered, they will need a robust security apparatus to maintain their advantage. Most of the recent failed bombings and bomb threats are nothing more than psyops to coax Average Joe into the acceptance of a more robust security apparatus that will, eventually, be deployed against Average Joe himself.
As is common with action #3s, it is actually quite clever, if deviously so.
+++ SpeakerFTD,
heh, to anyone who cares, watch 'a bugs life' again. and make sure your kids watch it a few times :^)
i'm not sure what the bird at the end might be in today's context ($40K/oz gold?), but the 'realization scene' pretty much covers the point.
Nicely elaborated, sir
Thank you for posting this. I had not considered this angle prior to reading your post.
This is why its good to live in flyover country - and out in the sticks at that. No need to deal w/ the stupidity of government just to drive to work. The day that there's a TSA f*ck in my driveway wanting to homo me before I get in the car is going to be a bad day for all involved.
My wife wanted to take our son to see Wash DC next Spring. I refused. No way I'd go to that sh*tpit or want my son near that fucking hole. Esp w/ gov't certified child molesters on the loose.
Should we ask the screeners, as they are gropping us, if they are homos?
number of people harmed by underpants bombs, shoe bombs
or rectal explosives.? = 0.
spend more money on this immediately! forget contaminated
water as it only kills millions of people every year. right!
Cmon...the whole issue boils down to a CLASSIC FALSE DILEMMA.
EITHER SUBMIT TO INVASIVE SCANNING OR BLOW UP MIDAIR.
It's as SIMPLE as that, to the incredibly simple-minded. It's ONE or the OTHER, there is no option in this binary world for other outcomes.
NEVERFUCKINGMIND that your chances of dying due to a mechanical failure or PILOT error are orders of magnitude HIGHER than via a shoe bomb or something, and also, let's all do ourselves a favor and FORGET that underwear bomber was DENIED the flight by the State Dept, oh, because he like lacked a FUCKING VISA and a PASSPORT. But, wait, no...the intelligence community in the USA overrode State's denial and let a motherfucker who was already ratted out by his own fucking DAD get aboard!
I mean, you go ahead and try to fly to fucking Canada without your papers and see what happens. Only KNOWN terrorists are allowed to fly without documents, it seems.
Sure, some fucking CIA agent was looking to "make his career" by seeing who this guy met up with in the US. Oh surprise, he tried to detonate himself en route. I hope the intelco is reading this post; you are all a bunch of stupid fucks, you hear me? IDIOTS.
spot on
watch the other hand
disengage
You're bang on.
The fuckers put a "test" bomb on a cargo plane from Africa to Europe. Causing a massive scare and pissing off EVERYBODY.
Who's to say the crotch bomber wasn't on that plane with a purpose.
Anyone who puts their trust in American government or government authorities is a fucking numbskull.
The government is the problem, the government is against the people. It's a fucking scary monster to intimidate the own population and keep people in fear.
The US is worse than the former USSR. This country is ONE fucking police and control state.
How long before US Olympiads cross over and abandon the homeland to seek refuge in wherever the fuck the Olympics are going to be held?
so so true. they studied the ussr for decades and were utterly surprised (or said they were) by its collapse. it was their life blood; it couldn't collapse or they would have to get other work. looks like they found it. money quote? "looking to make his career". elite careerism explains so much in so many realms. that and tribalist (more than one) favoritism toward israel.
Nice rant, Trav!
+100
OH DUDES!
Yeah, I forgot to tell you:
I flew in today, and just for the hell of it, went for the pat down.
IT WAS TOTALLY COOL. Be polite, and stress your concern about x-rays, in fact, enquire if they are ok and suitably protected.
(rest of post edited out due to yet more drunkenness.)
dilettante masseuses. that's the spirit.
Awesome! And I already don't get profiled at airports enough! Now I will have to get a part-time security position on a boat, at a stadium and banquet halls! Eh, $8 an hour might be enjoyable? At least I know I am not contributing much to "bad policy"!
http://unveilingtheeconomy.blogspot.com/
Nice coverage.
I'd be cautious about shifting the debate to "effective" alternative screenings, however. This is taking form to mean "intelligence," which would mean intensive profiling surely supported by increased data-basing. While DHS is probably already doing it, would you want them to be further encouraged to "profile" you?
Hello Bob:
Heck no, and good point ----but like with the Nazi's - if people had spoken up maybe it could have been averted. Maybe not. But living in an insane asylum and raising my kids in one won't be good. I hope everyone speaks up and gets these effing corrupt inept morons the eff out of there. I'm all for safety but they can shove their stupidity back up their ass.
again, as dr. sandi and others (many others) note: we would save money, lots and lots of it, not to mention lives (lots and lots) if we opened up our perspective to what is really causing the dangers in this sphere of geopolitical risk: bad foreign and military policy. ron paul may be wrong about how self-regulating markets are but he is not wrong about this.
The propaganda press will continue to display false 'polls' that 'prove' over 85%
feel these measures are necessary, and things will continue along this path.
Before it is all over, there will be TV spots of middle-aged women begging to be placed behind razor-wire fences for their 'security of mind'.
Good representation of where this seems headed.
Crazy Mom needs to be worked into a lather about increased breast and ovarian cancer risk from all the damn radiation. Think about the elevated lifetime risk for little girls from childhood on . . .
Look how attitudes about sun exposure have changed. Children wearing helmets are coated in sun screen before walking in front of windows.
Health hysteria, er, concerns for safety need to be put into proper perspective. Ubiquitous x-rays cannot be a good idea from any perspective.
I bet you think you are safe at home!
Got light bulbs in your house dont you? Mercury bulbs are all that can be had now. Break one and inhale and there goes your remaining IQ. Death also is a possiblity if you inhale. The best part is the government in its infinite fucken wisdom has made other bulbs illegal. None are manufactured in the USA. GE moved their last plant to mexico and set up to make squirly bulbs there.
We are being destroyed on every front. None of us are doing a thing to stop it. How long before they decide to kill us cause we know to much or talk too loud. What the fuck America?
Its called soft kill. Our masters believe there are too many of us and thus our numbers must be reduced to about 500 million so that Gaia will survive. If you really want to be horrified look into global population control.
... eugenics ...