Are Investors Getting Tired Of Bill Miller's Permabullishness?

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Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:52 | 201078 ghostfaceinvestah
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Bill Miller is awful, he should have quit while he was ahead.

When Freddie was taken down, he was the largest shareholder.  What an idiot.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:54 | 201082 earnyermoney
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I'd like to get Leo's take on this news. Leo was willing to vouche for his investing acumen a couple of weeks ago.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:37 | 201158 ghostfaceinvestah
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why would that surprise you, Miller and Leo have the exact same mindset.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 17:14 | 201203 earnyermoney
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I'm not surprised just curious. I have been observing weighing commentary of various participants since this time last year. When the next correction comes, and it will, I'll be ready to participate in the game.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:56 | 201083 anynonmous
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Where is Leo?


He had some interesting comments about Bill Miller a week or two ago.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 17:20 | 201215 Leo Kolivakis
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I am right here. Before you all write off Bill Miller, keep in mind he did beat the S&P 500 for 15 years running:

Admittedly, this was during the bull run. Now, he is facing a slump but I am not as quick as all of you to write him off. And only an idiot would call him an idiot. Ray Dalio once asked me "son, what's you track record?" All of you pooing on Bill Miller, WTF is your track record?


Thu, 01/21/2010 - 17:56 | 201278 Anonymous
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Good question... so, what is yours, Leo?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:51 | 201578 ghostfaceinvestah
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Leo, you are like a fucking child, with your ad hominem attacks.

The point isn't what is everyone else's track record, because everyone else aren't putting themselves out there to manage other people's money.

The point is what is Bill Miller's long run track record vs his benchmark.  And not some select point in time.  LTCM had a great track record for years.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:57 | 201084 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Where will they put their money if they do not want stocks, bonds, and do not want the DoeLarr?  DXY is running flat!  Silver snitches.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:18 | 201119 ozziindaus
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as of this minute, Gold down, Silver down, DOLLAR down, Amazon up.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 17:24 | 201221 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gold looked strong today.  It had major upside at the height of the storm.  Amazon spamazon.  AMZN is in a downtrend.  The bullshit stock I liked today was WFMI.  Gained as the market fell.  Can you say commodities?  Say it.....saay iit......

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:35 | 201154 RoastingBankers
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lmfao at bulls



bbq beef

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:40 | 201155 ghostfaceinvestah
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another $12B of MBS bought this past week, what happens to the markets when this liquidity spigot gets turned off?


btw, note that once again almost all the purchases were fannies.  why the charade?  why doesn't Zimbabwae Ben just print a few suitcases full of money and drive them to Fannie's headquarters?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 19:09 | 201388 deadhead
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thanks Ghost.  your insights into the mortgage area are most helpful and I always look forward to reading your comments.  please keep up the good work and know that your thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 19:10 | 201389 Dr o love
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why doesn't Zimbabwae Ben just print a few suitcases full of money and drive them to Fannie's headquarters?


Because he would need to take 10 million such suitcases in a convoy of semis and the sheeple just might notice.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:38 | 201162 Brokenarrow
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Miller's combover is as outdated as his investment strategies.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:43 | 201169 Chartist
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I wonder if there's an indirect correlation between Bill Miller buying a yacht, the utopia, and the peformance of his fund?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 17:17 | 201210 Anonymous
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where is Leo ?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 19:54 | 201472 Hephasteus
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I don't understand the Trifecta. If you are going to build Internet 2 running it all through the NSA using your newly corrupted and wholy screwed over university assets why google, apple and amazon. Is amazon going to be the sole propieter of the New New New internet economy and is going to run off Macs?

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 03:41 | 201990 Anonymous
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Leo is in a corner, crying and feeling all alone

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 10:21 | 202086 Anonymous
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Miller I believe lost 50% in 2008, then made 70% last year.

So $100 as of 1/1/08 is $85 as of 1/1/10

He is touting last year's gains while neglecting to mention that virtually all of his investors are underwater from 2007. Such BS and he is finally being rightfully punished as investors head for the exits.

Sat, 01/23/2010 - 07:15 | 203634 Anonymous
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I'm quite certain Bill Miller has lost more money for investors than he ever made because his AUM was so high during the collapse of his fund. His average annual returns over the past 15 year period are somewhat respectable, while over the past 10 years they are abysmal.

Sat, 01/23/2010 - 07:37 | 203639 Anonymous
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Legg Mason shows "investing legend" Miller's returns at this page.

Pretty unimpressive.

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