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Are Reverse Repo Liquidity Suctions Approaching?

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Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:35 | 76705 SDRII
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i thought the fed paying interest on reserves was the tool to keep the liquidity out of the market? So now they will just do a reverse repo? What is the rate spread between a GC reverse repo and the rate paid on reserves? this sounds like a Bloomberg headline for the unwashed

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:29 | 76759 MyKillK
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Thats why this makes no sense. How is this supposed to remove excess liquidity when the securities will be bought with excess reserves held at the Fed? They are just shuffling these securities around in a closed-loop system.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 23:12 | 77007 Anonymous
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Maybe the real point is to raise more money for the FED (borrow) that Bernanke can then spend on propping up the Treasury auctions. He's already spent the $1 trillion in increased bank reserves he's pulled out of the banking system over the past year. But the deficit spending in nowhere near being fully financed so Geithner needs to raise more national debt. The money will go back into the economy once the government starts spending it, if the Congress ever gets those massive spending bills passed, like healthcare and cap & trade. In the mean time, if the government cannot spend it as fast as the money is raised, then Geithner can deposit it in the Treasury's account at the FED giving Bernanke even more money with which to prop up the Treasury auctions or buy more MBS crap. They are just postponing the inevitable.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 23:23 | 77014 californiagirl
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Could it be that Bernanke just wants to raise some more cash to prop up more Treasury auctions and buy more MBS?  He already spent the $1 Trillion in reserves he extracted from the banks in the past year.  Geithner needs to raise plenty more debt.  In the mean time, since Congress has not managed to pass the Cap & Trade and Healthcare, the government will not be able to spend it as quickly as it would like.  So Geithner can deposit the extra money into the Treasury's account at the FED and give Bernanke more spending money.  It is just postponing the inevitable.

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 15:03 | 77568 MyKillK
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He already spent the bank reserves? This is not true, bank reserves are still as high as ever.

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 18:44 | 77907 californiagirl
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I meant the cash the FED received from bank reserves on deposit at the FED. 

Wed, 10/21/2009 - 23:36 | 106547 dnarby
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Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:36 | 76707 JOHNICON
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Anyone notice that lately, despite the ebullient sentiment, the indices are not skying everyday?  Or is it just me...?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:42 | 76715 Anonymous
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Up every day is still up every day. Based on nothing but fast cash.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:05 | 76735 kensdad
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Everyone is max long...  The VIX is crashing and Put/Call ratios are super bearish (skewed to calls over puts)...  The market is still going up on muscle-memory dip-buying.  When the correction arrives it's going to be vicious...  Still, you've got to have steel cojones to get short...

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:20 | 76751 MyKillK
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The Fed has set up the conditions for a huge crash in October by conveniently scheduling the POMOs to be completed at the end of this month. Should be a very interesting month.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:53 | 76863 Missing_Link
Tue, 09/22/2009 - 22:45 | 76994 glenlloyd
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I'm hearing 28-30 days

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 08:02 | 77194 Anonymous
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the market is going up because a computer program is manipulating it up, controlling every tick. dip buyers have nothing to do with price action; they merely ride the back of this computer-guided FARCE. There will only be a crash/correction/0.3% dip when HAL9000 makes it so. I am not being facetious - the market is totally controlled and bogus. If it weren't totally controlled and bogus, it would move independently of wiggles in euro/yen.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:39 | 76710 MyKillK
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Something tells me the Fed is getting worried about being audited. Maybe the real plan is to use these reverse repos to offload the worst of securities at full value, and then when the audit is finished they take them right back because the dealers certainly won't want them.

Just throwing it out there. The timing just seems too coincidental. Audit the Fed bill gets its first committee meeting and almost immediately the Fed is in discussions with its dealers over 'exit strategies'...

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:06 | 76737 deadhead
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"...these reverse repos to offload the worst of securities at full value"

or, the Fed can offload millions of shares of spy, bac, wfc, ad infinitum

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:13 | 76746 MyKillK
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The more I think about it, the more I think this may be what they are up to. Otherwise, consider how completely ineffectual this move would be if the goal was to either reduce the Fed's balance sheet or to remove liquidity from the system. It won't remove any liquidity from the system, because the money was never really in the system to begin with. There's a giant mountain of bank money sitting at the Federal Reserve as excess reserves. Also, it won't really reduce the Fed's balance sheet because the repo is only temporary. But temporary is exactly what they'.d want if they just want to stow them away out of sight of any audit. Besides, any talk of reducing liquidity when interest rates are to be kept at 0-.25% seems crazy

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 02:07 | 77116 Anonymous
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you do not seem to understand reverse purchase

the fed will sell securities it currently owns
to primary dealers for a temporary period of time...

the primary dealers will pay with money they
have or raise...

as such there will be a huge sucking sound
as money leaves the economy going into the fed...

thus the money supply is reduced - for the
term of the repurchase agreement...

those reserves in the fed are going no where
for the time being.....

this has nothing to do with a fed audit....

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 15:12 | 77582 MyKillK
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Is there a specific reason why bank reserves could not be used to fund these purchases?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:16 | 76926 Ned Zeppelin
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Since the terms of the reverse repo will almost certainly require the return of the securities at the expiration of the contract term, they can hide, but they can't run from an audit. Easy question to track down.

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 15:11 | 77580 MyKillK
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Ok, this is the kind of answer I'm looking for. But, still, I am not convinced. If it's so difficult to run from an audit though, I have to wonder how all these banks managed to pass the so-called stress tests.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:40 | 76711 Anonymous
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What does Bernanke think when he pulls up the intra day action in AIG on his bloomberg for today - "This was the biggest insurance company in the world. Now it moves like this on rumors. Hmm, Must be those green shoots. I say, Normalcy is returning to the markets. Remind me to put that in the FOMC statement tomorrow."

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:36 | 76767 D.O.D.
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Yes, and don't leave out, 'recovery will be sluggish for a time'.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:40 | 76712 Anonymous
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There has been only one policy for 10 years; easy money. It won't change until the USD breaks. No way.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:08 | 76734 Bam_Man
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You're being WAY too easy on them.

Monetary policy has been totally asymmetric (as in "EZ-Money, all the time") ever since September 1992, when Fed Funds was lowered to 3.00% and left there for a year-and-a-half in order to inflate the equities bubble. That's 17 years and counting.

At the end of the day, push eventually WILL come to shove, and the Fed will be forced to defend the dollar to prevent a run on all US $ denominated assets. But that's probably going to be a 2011-2012 problem, so party on!


Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:51 | 76824 I am a Man I am...
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At the rate the dollar is dropping, it will be within two months.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:17 | 76927 Ned Zeppelin
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Shoring up the dollar is but a crisis away, easily arranged.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:48 | 76952 deadhead
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Wed, 09/23/2009 - 15:45 | 77618 monkeyshine
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Not to be interpreted as a defense of all things, but, the dollar has been the reserve currency for the rest of the world since long before that, and during the last 17 years in particular the ROW has had incredible expansion and appetite for spending. Loose dollar policy can be "blamed" for the greatest economic expansion in the history of the world. It hasn't been all bad.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:46 | 76717 Anonymous
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We've been having a few large distribution days. Commercial short interest is really starting to build in a lopsided way.

We're looking for a correction to start on October 12th and deliver about a 320 point downturn in the S&P.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:09 | 76740 mule65
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Of course you're Anonymous.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:56 | 76866 Missing_Link
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Oh, OK.  I'll take your word for it, Mr. I Make Random But Very Specific Predictions With No Arguments Whatsoever To Back Them Up.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:47 | 76719 fotokemist
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Shold MyKillK be correct, is there any reason that the audit cannot include all transactions for, say, the past two years?

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 02:12 | 77119 Anonymous
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people people people...please think before
engaging keyboard....

the fed audit has NOT been voted on let alone passed....
for fuck's sake the house has not even started

these repo agreements will have a shorter duration
than the time it will require to ramp up an audit
assuming that it becomes law.....

the audit will NOT pass the senate with a veto
proof majority and it is almost certain that it
will not pass the senate at all....and if it
were to pass the senate mubrak will veto it....

these repo agreements have nothing to do
with audits...

it is a dead dead dead issue.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:48 | 76722 Brian Griffin
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Wow, that analogy is hilarious. 

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 16:54 | 76726 TwoJacks
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I'll believe this reverse repo bidness when the dollar reverses. Until then, it's b.s.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:31 | 76764 MyKillK
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If this is a bluff, what does the Fed stand to gain for it?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:44 | 76775 Stevm30
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Temporary credibility from Treasury buyers - buys time for both them and the FED.  Maybe a miracle will happen!

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:21 | 76808 MyKillK
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I don't believe that explanation. They don't need to buy credibility. They seem to be able to sell as much Treasuries as they so desire.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:44 | 76814 Stevm30
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Yeah now they do, but not once their $300 billion treasury program ends ($9 billion left)... high and dry.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 20:56 | 76909 jm
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There is plenty of money in the stock market to plug the hole.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:36 | 76818 MyKillK
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This is true. But it seems like a really weak attempt. Anyone involved in the bond market would see right through it.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:03 | 76731 lizzy36
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Alas taking liquidity from PDs will be harder than weaning heroin addicts using metric ton injectable portions of methadone.

classic tyler durden....

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:16 | 76748 donatoloscalzo
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it will all end in tears....................i feel sorry for Bernanke: he has and still is doing everything and even more than humanly possible but..............

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:30 | 76762 Lionhead
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I hope you also feel sorry for the millions of savers, retired folks, and assundry shareholders of all strips that are/have been penalized for his policies and wrong headed decisions. Add to that, the nation's young-lings that will be forced into paying off all this debt.

I have no tears for this man; may God judge him harshly for all the fellow citizens he's harmed.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:41 | 76772 ghostfaceinvestah
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I stand by my prediction that he will be the first to be hung as a traitor when the Revolution starts.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 20:51 | 76905 SteveNYC
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Solid prediction, I have been thinking the same thing. There is no more treasonous act than destroying the currency of a sovereign nation, the currency you have been mandated and paid to manage and defend, bringing about the ruin of its responsible citizens, destroying the fruits of their hard labor.

He will be judged harshly, and rightly so, in my opinion.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:57 | 76827 I am a Man I am...
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No offense, but I hope we don't have to leave it to an all powerful being to punish these guys.  I'm not convinced anyone upstairs is paying attention.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:49 | 76781 Stevm30
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Also he's not doing everything that's "humanly possible".  Instead, he's doing what is easiest, and getting all the bs political laurels from the media that comes with "taking the easy way".  For example: for further exacerbating a crises that we WILL have to eventually confront, he has been appointed to another term...  Remember how fawning his 60 minutes profile was?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:17 | 76749 Josey Wales
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I think this is a great idea, why just look at how good the treasury sales are of late!!!  I bet the primary dealers will be chomping at the bit to give some cash in exchange for Treasuries! 

Or perhaps the FED will issue these Re-REPOS, load the banks with treasuries, then POMO them back onto some FED balance sheet a week later like they do the treasury auctions. 

Maybe this story sells in the US but do foriegners actually believe this stuff???

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