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Arguments Regarding the Collapse of the World Trade Center Evaporate Upon Inspection
Preface: Bill Black writes today that Wall Street apologists say that calling for prosecution of Wall Street fraud is like saying the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
Now that Bin Laden has been confirmed to be dead, it has been established that Saddam Hussein was not behind 9/11 (one of the main reasons for the Iraq war), and Iran
has been accused of having a hand in 9/11 - potentially forming the
basis for a war against Iran - it is time to revisit some important,
unanswered questions.
This essay does not argue that bombs brought down the Twin Towers or World Trade Building 7, even though many top structural engineers believe that is what happened, and people could easily have planted bombs in the trade centers without anyone noticing and without the conspiracy being discovered.
It simply addresses the frequent argument that fires caused the metal
to sag, which brought down the 3 buildings, and that the case is closed.
The Fires at the World Trade Centers Were NOT Very Hot
The
government agency in charge of the investigation of why three buildings
collapsed on 9/11 - the National Institute of Standards and Technology
(NIST) - says that paint tests indicated low steel temperatures -- 480 Fahrenheit -- "despite pre-collapse exposure to fire". NIST also said that microstructure tests showed no steel reached critical (half-strength) values of 600 Celsius (1112 degrees Fahrenheit) for any significant time.
Numerous top fire protection engineers have said that the fires in the World Trade Centers were not that hot. For example:
- A
mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection
Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans
Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S.
Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area
Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the
Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection
Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of
San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States
(Edward S. Munyak) says that the fires weren't big enough to bring down
Building 7:
- The
former head of NIST's Fire Science Division, who is
one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and
safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering
(Dr. James Quintiere), called
for an independent review of the World Trade Center
collapse investigation. "I would really like
to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both
structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I
think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at
[that fire and damage from the attacks brought down the buildings] is
questionable.
In addition, Thomas Eager, a
Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems at MIT and a
defender of the official story, concluded
that the temperatures in the Twin Towers never exceeded 800 Celsius
(1472 degrees Fahrenheit). Eager pointed out that, contrary to popular
belief, jet fuel from the planes did not increase the temperature of the fires.
Structural engineer Antonio Artha notes:
Fire and impact were insignificant in all three buildings.
Structural engineer Graham John Inman points out:
The fire on this building [World Trade Building 7] was small & localized therefore what is the cause?
Thermal
images also suggest that the temperature of the steel in the north
tower at the time of the fire was not much more than 250 degrees Fahrenheit (and see this).
The Argument Evaporates Upon Inspection
Defenders
of the "official" version of 9/11 say, in rebuttal, that the fires
didn't have to be that hot, because - while not hot enough to melt steel - they were hot enough to cause the metal to sag.
It
is irrelevant (and beyond the scope of this post) whether or not their
argument is correct. Specifically, since even defenders of official
story admit that the fires were not hot enough to melt steel, then it is
impossible to explain the huge quantify of molten steel which was
observed under Ground Zero for months after the attacks (see next
section, below).
Indeed, not only was structural steel somehow melted on 9/11, but it was EVAPORATED. Specifically, as the New York Times reports, an expert stated about World Trade Center building 7:
A
combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might
have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But
that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to
have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures.
(pay-per-view).
Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.
It is simply impossible that fires from jet fuels and office materials could do that.
Molten Metal Under Ground Zero for MONTHS After Attacks
There was molten metal under ground zero for months after 9/11:
- The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks (page 3)
- A structural engineer who worked for the Trade Center's original designer saw "streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole." (pages 31-32)
- An engineer stated in the September 3, 2002 issue of The Structural Engineer, "They showed us many fascinating slides ranging from molten metal, which was still red hot weeks after the event."
- New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."
- A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a "foundry" or like "lava".
- A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that "feeling the heat" and "seeing the molten steel" there reminded him of a volcano.
- An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
- The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
- According to a worker involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation and debris removal operations at ground zero, "Underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from Building 6."
- A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."
- According to a member of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, "One
fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the
towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but
the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots."
- A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said "in
mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part
would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order
of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of
concrete in December that would flash into fire--which requires about
300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk
of the pile stayed hot all the way to December."
- A fireman stated that there were "oven" like conditions at the trade centers six weeks after 9/11.
- Firemen and hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, "There
are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories
underground] that are still cherry red" and "the blaze is so 'far beyond
a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about
it based on other fires." (pay-per-view)
- A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for
about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its
regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything
from molten steel beams to human remains...."
- New York mayor Rudy Giuliani said "They were standing on top of a cauldron. They were standing on top of fires 2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days."
- As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O'Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, "was dripping from the molten steel."
- A rescue worker "crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow–molten metal dripping from a beam"
- See also witness statements at the beginning of this video.
The
fact that there was molten steel under ground zero for months after
9/11 is very odd, especially since firefighters sprayed millions of
gallons of water on the fires and applied high-tech fire retardants.
Specifically, 4 million gallons of water were dropped on Ground Zero within the first 10 days after September 11, according to the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories:
The
spraying continued for months afterward (the 10 day period was simply
the timeframe in which the DOE was sampling). Enormous amounts of
water were hosed on Ground Zero continuously, day and night:
This photograph may capture a sense of how wet the ground became due to the constant spraying:
Moreover, the fires were sprayed with thousands of gallons of high tech fire-retardants.
It was not the collapses which caused steel to melt. Specifically, a professor emeritus of physics has proven that the collapses themselves could not have melted steel. And Brent Blanchard - a recognized expert in controlled demolition - stated in a telephone interview with physicist Steven Jonesv that he has witnessed hundreds of controlled demolitions, but has never seen molten metal at any of the demolition sites.
So how does NIST explain the molten metal? It denies its existence:
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a General Electric structural engineer comes on CNBC just after the buildings collapsed the morning of 9/11 to explain why begins at minute 2:30
Yes, yes, 9/11 was an inside job... any idiot can see that, the evidence (circumstantially and direct) is overwhelming. You only have to look at he way the government tried and tries to not investigate 9/11... why would they not want to investigate such as hideous crime in history with all the repercussions it has caused for humanity going forward...hmmmm.
Yes, the american administration/rulers are some of the most evil scum on the planet who wouldn't think twice about killing human beings for more money and control, and yes, the average joe citizen is blind to the obvious.
There are no good guys left, there are only evil rulers and apathetic, docile and dumb masses. Look after yourself and your loved ones, 'cause the 'others' haven proven so far they aren't worth saving.
A hooked nose pharisee junked this
GW - You guys should have a conspiracy convention in Detroit where commercial real estae is cheap. For the grand finale you crash a plane into the top of the building where the convention is being held and prove to the world once and for all (blogging live from the lobby!) that an airplane can't bring down a building.
You could probably pay for the cost of the whole thing with pay-per-view. I'd certainly pony up to see that.
Seems like a win-win to me.
I'm wondering how an airplane can bring down a building, yet the FBI was able to find two of the hijackers' passports intact at ground zero a day after the buildings collapsed into hundreds of tons of rubble and with millions of pieces of paper flying around. I guess Saudi passports are indestructible and have homing beacons on them.
yeah I always thought the passport thing was a little juvenile and obvious
That one's a middle finger to people who know the score.
Sort of like appointing fucking Kissinger.
Nice use of numbers 4, 5 and 17!
Twenty-Five Rules of DisinformationNice use of numbers 6, 14, 17, 23-26, and 33!
Thirty-Seven Rules of Conspiracy Theorists
www.GW&TheBatshitCrazies.com
and nice plumplechook on your part there chindit.
personally, i like the number 13.
duplicate post.
Okay, but here's a question for you: if you accept the premise of a supremely powerful government entity that blew up the WTC and would think nothing of killing U.S. citizens, then why have they left you alive to expose their handiwork? If you really were uncovering the truth, why haven't they zapped you with a ray gun, GW?
Yeah and this whole thing is one big #8.
Actually I think my idea meshes nicely with the scientific method and the coercive power of putting your money where your mouth is.
considering the intellectual prowess you've displayed in your posts...I'd be willing to bet serious money that you couldn't find your own dick with two hands and a map.
We all know Obama is a treasonist puppet for the NWO. He is an illegal alien. If you did your homework you knew that before the election. How many racists voted for him because he is black?
could you name the last American president that was not a puppet?
Not a **total** puppet? JFK. But things ended badly for him.
....
WSJ reproter on CNBC live during 9/11 begins at minute 7
one of many who observed and said the same
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is Classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information"
FBI Official to Carl Cameron of FOX News
Four part Fox News report on Israeli espionage in the US available here:
Israeli Espionage - Part 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOecRtBU7U&feature=player_embedded
Using reason and logic to connect the dots on 9-11 is anti-semitic
4 unjunks. The truth about almost anything is "antisemitic" and will soon be a "hate crime".
DAH JOOOOOS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
Bingo.
we'll likely get junked into double digit territory. my post must have set off megaphone alarms from Miami to tel Aviv. they'll be here soon.
Truth is the rarest and most valuable commodity for humanity.
Thanks for posting this GW. Now when I want to make the case that you are delusional and dim witted I can just post this link.
Thank you. Sincerely, NIST:
Here is the most respected fire marshall and expert from NIST explaining everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdR2T6YKAUc
GW, while I very much appreciate your posts and I have been reading your blog for a few years now (yes even prior to ZH)...the one thing that I must take issue with is this: Doesn't the importance of "how" the buildings were brought down pale in comparison to the importance of "Who" did it? All the energy spent on figuring out "how" takes time and energy away from finding out "who" did it. and that, to me, is far more important.
in order to get someone officially looking into who did it, we must first convince or demand them to acknowlege how it was done
Yes its hard to blame someone when they won't even admit that their analysis is faulty and illogical.
watch the youtube videos of the collapse and try to explain why floors 30-40 stories below the collapse line were EXPLODING and shooting metal up to 600 feet from the building.
The temperature of the fire is irrelevant. Building 7's collapse is symmetrical and at free fall speed. (See the videos) Unless the terrorist destroyed the laws of physics, this combination will only occur if the hundreds of gravity resisting joints all cease their function at the same time.
A simultaneous termination of all joints can only occur through a controlled demolition.
Who the fuck junked this???
The Mossad and CIA who know the truth.
Deliberate duplication.
The Mossad and CIA who know the truth.
now that you've debunked WTC, can you do the same with Moses, Jesus, that other dude and them primates from Asia. please! i mean, the ROI on that would be eternally greater.
Is it possible 9/11 was staged by our leaders to really scare America into taking terrorism seriously? Is the US government slipping it to the American people yet again, to keep the military-industrial complex happy? The total defense budget is approximately $1.4 trillion dollars.
We would like to point you to the site of the Office of Naval
Intelligence.
Their first comment:"Why did they hit us in the pentagon first?"
The Israelis probably conducted a false flag attack on the USS Liberty in hopes of dragging us into a war against Egypt. So it wouldn't surprised in the least to learn that they also conducted a false flag attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon in hopes of dragging us into a war against another Arab country that they view as an enemy of theirs, specifically Iran or Iraq. That's why I believe that if the powers-that-be in Washington didn't stage the 9/11 attacks in order to enrich the military-industrial complex, then the powers-that-be in Tel Aviv did in order to get us to fight their wars for them.
ME false flag attacks are a hand-in-glove affair. The USS Liberty was no different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyMBDq5efg
Apartheid Israel couldn't make NORAD stand down. Mossad certainly played a role, and they certainly had foreknowledge, but it was bigger than just them.
hmmmm
a new pearl harbor for the 21st century ...
quoting paulie wolfowitz are we?
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070207_wolfowitz.html
umm, yes
watch the Dmitri Khaselov videos on you tube. nuclear demolition, only explanation that really makes sense.
Entirely unnecessary.
Normal contractor's demolition supplies work just fine as you can see.
just like mister says, directed energy weapons are the highest probability. a micro-nuke would have created to heavy of a radiation signature, plus i think it would be too much of a sledge hammer. Of course, these directed energy weapons are similar to focused micro-nuke-lasers, particle beams... hence, star wars weapons. crazy shite. I saw a leaked video of a particle beam being fired from the surface of the planet at an approaching "vehicle". HAARP, LHC, all this shit they don't tell us about is part of some massive space-weapon mock up. This is where the tens of trillions of $ they have stolen over the decades has gone. DUMB's and space weapons. Sheer the sheep.
http://slv.collective2.com