Art Cashin Compares This Week's Action To The Days Before Black Friday

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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:27 | 1375049 eureka
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From Art's mouth to God's ear.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:28 | 1375075 risk-reward
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Only one ear?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:17 | 1375226 anynonmous
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ah yes Black Friday and the crash of 87 and everyone's favorite pundit of the day Louis Rukeyser with his pals Marty Zweig and Allen Sinai

Black Friday edition of Wall Street Week in its entirety

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:09 | 1375439 SwingForce
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WOW! His face was really green on my TV that night, don't adjust that set! Oh yeah, get that Kojak Lollypop ready, because who loves you, baby! Nice post, thanx for the mammories[sp] but wasn't Black Friday on a Monday that year?.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:28 | 1375482 anynonmous
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Marty and Sinai were pretty prescient that night follow the links for Black Monday and beyond and you'll get to see your buddy Cavuto and even a cameo by a youthful Kudlow

and in this report a week later what in hindsight is perhaps  the birth of the current generation of  banksters as the push for deregulation goes full speed ahead (including a cameo by the Late Bill Seidman)

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 22:07 | 1376444 S-hai High
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Awesome! Thanks for posting...

Rukeyser: “These computers are used by large institutional investors, whose money managers are paid huge sums of money, to make no-brain decisions that are made for them by computers. Aren’t these guys overpaid?”


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:30 | 1375068 qussl3
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Cant happen, circuit breakers.


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:37 | 1375112 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:46 | 1375128 qussl3
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The chaos will be everywhere else tho, gonna be fucking funny when stawks dont trade for a week then open down 30%.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:49 | 1375143 SheepDog-One
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Yep, I'm guessing what we'll see next wont be some smooth comfortable patch job, but a sudden chaos event.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:43 | 1375609 tiger7905
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Jim Sinclair seems to be echoing the same thoughts...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1375163 Dr. Engali
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They didn't think it could happen in 1987 either. Remember portfolio insurance? Everybody had it. There is always something that can trash the system. Flash crash, a robot blows up, who knows. They said the Titanic was unsinkable. We all know what happened there.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1375206 mr. mirbach
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Even with circuit breakers a 30% one day drop is possible.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1375336 qussl3
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You'd think they'll be able to switch all algos to buy in the half hour breaks no?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:30 | 1375300 Ergo
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and the "plunge protection" team

but who knows what game theory can do to the robots.  untested waters now.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:27 | 1375070 Hugh G Rection
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2k shaving in one week, then QE3

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:33 | 1375086 baby_BLYTHE
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except it won't be called QE3.

It will be called "Cupcakes" according to Jim Rogers

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:39 | 1375118 SheepDog-One
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Great, plunge the markets down (I dont believe they can) and then 'QE3'....go for it Ben I really want to see my gold at $2,000 overnite.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:31 | 1375078 Cognitive Dissonance
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I was only 3 months in 'da bidness' when the '87 crash happened. What a rookie hazing that was. What doesn't kill ya........

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:25 | 1375362 SwingForce
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Ha ha, my boss walks out of the men's room with his necktie thrown up around his shoulder, his eyes were all red and watery. I went inside there was vomit everywhere, what a day! Bobby P. got all my guys out, what can I say. Here check the reprints from this book, great pics of Boesky & Guiliani too: 

PPT was born 10/20/1987 XMI Futures on CBOT saved the world! C2XMZ if I remember correctly... and Oh yeah, Larry Wachtel said on the speakerbox, "Things must be getting bad, I just PUKED!" Smithtown did too, ha ha. (This was a Monday, not a Friday).

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 21:23 | 1376364 alex_g
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I was 7 months into Goldman when the '87 crash hit...surreal market action...feels nothing like it.  Rates are half, PE's are lower, this is a different issue.  Worldwide debt exposure is off the charts compared to '87, and that, this time, is the catalyst.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:30 | 1375085 Cassandra Syndrome
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A 2,500+ drop in the Dow? There wasn't a PPT back in 1987, but certainly possible over the course of a week, in the absence of the Fed.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:34 | 1375087 The Axe
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Actually I had a drink with Art at Ben and Bensons that Friday before the crash..actually 4 drinks...I think he has a point....ha ha  I was the AXE in Genetech symbol GENE   and the stock was in a crossed market on Monday for 5 was the wild west baby.....sweet

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 22:06 | 1376370 tom a taxpayer
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Was it the practice to flee Wall Street for mid-town steakhouse on Friday? Did you all take the subway, bus, taxi, or ? to 52nd street? 

P.S. I hope someday I can have a drink with Art.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:35 | 1375090 kito
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1987 was the start of the bull market, glad to see you are so optimistic tyler. but i think you are rushing it just a bit.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:32 | 1375097 baby_BLYTHE
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By "Bull Market", are you reffering to the millions of manufacturing jobs we lost to China during that period of time?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1375160 kito
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talking strictly stock index numbers, not trying to get philosophical

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1375169 baby_BLYTHE
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stock index numbers meaningless in real terms.

Greenspan slit the curreny's throat during this time.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1375243 kito
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well if they are meaningless on the way up, surely they would be meaningless on the way down. and if that were the case, why such attention to it?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 23:00 | 1376568 unununium
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Funny man, you make me wanna roll my IRA over to you at Edward Jones so you can fix my asset allocation for me.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:43 | 1375122 gerd
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try again dum dum.  bull started in early 80s.

didn't really get going until we were able to fashion GDP out of debt.  Can't do that anymore and that's the difference.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:44 | 1375136 kito
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if you spelled "dumb dumb" correctly you might have some credibility

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1375144 SheepDog-One
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No he's right and you're wrong, go buy some Dum Dum suckers and see for yourself.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1375214 kito
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oh the pops, staple food of all white trash households

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:32 | 1375319 The Profit Prophet
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A fool and their money are soon parted....say goodbye to your paper wealth Shill Boy.

T.E.I.N. everyone.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:16 | 1375685 Vic Vinegar
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You may not like it but paper wealth is going to be around for quite a while.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:01 | 1375422 francis_sawyer
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It's what "Kazoo" used to call Fred Flintstone... But since Fred isn't around...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1375176 Dr. Engali
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Back then we were just starting to lever up as a country. That is no longer an option. We are in debt destruction mode now. The Dow will go to 4000

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 20:39 | 1376296 BoeingSpaceliner797
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The bull market to which you are referring is generally considered to have begun in 1982, not 1987.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:42 | 1375098 SwingForce
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A Lesson from 1987: Who did the traders screw? They screwed each other!  It wasn't the little guy holding the bag, it was the brokerage firms- EFHutton? Drexel-Burnham? Kidder-Peabody? A large swift move lower shakes out the little guys' stops, have we learnt nuthin' from history? There will never be a TARP II, so Jamie & Lloyd better be careful this time.

On the other hand, God Bless Art and his trader's gut, there aren't too many like him around anymore- I'm thinking of Larry Wachtel as another example.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:57 | 1375167 Arius
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so Jamie & Lloyd "better be careful this time."

They got their loot already...did you see their compensation for last year??? they know what is coming...but, hey thanks for the warning...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:37 | 1375099 Alcoholic Nativ...
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BULLSHIT, markets only crash when bailout legislation doesn't go through, and then like TARP it's voted on again the next day.





Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:40 | 1375111 SheepDog-One
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Agreed. The markets are now just pure garbage, completely irrelevant to anything real world and stinking.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1375173 Arius
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where is hammy when you need him???

any bulls out there?

they need volunteers to hold the bag...

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:10 | 1375477 r101958
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Bernank might call it a 'perception tool'.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1375517 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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When it comes to Bernanke, it's a perception stool.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 13:34 | 1375102 Beatscape
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Market breadth yesterday was the worst since 2008.  Advice from a guy with pointy ears: You do not want to be long equities right now.  I am 100% short.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1375213 Liquid Courage
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Likewise. Could be a major change in trend occurring: from Bull (fully rigged) to Bear (need justification for further rigging). If so, a strategic change from BTFD to STFB is in order. Care to compute the probability - based on your cold calculus -  that such a trend change has indeed occurred, Mr. Spock?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:29 | 1375301 Beatscape
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Precisely.  A shift in market momentum does indeed seem to be occurring now.  One indicator that gives us evidence is the slow stochastics of the S&P 500. Every time this oscillator came down to 20, it was a BTFD moment.  But on this swoon, slow stochastics has dropped below 20, which hasn't happened in over 2 years. Further, it has been languishing under 20 since June 3--about 2 weeks, which hasn't occurred since 2008.  This is the start of the decline the bears have been looking for.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:50 | 1375396 Liquid Courage
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Well, it feels that way to me as well, but better to leave feelings out of it, right? You express a 100% probability ... astounding! And encouraging, as I've actually been Selling The F'n Bounces since about March, even turned my nose up at some modest profits & am looking forward to getting some $ back at this point. At this point, I'm at least 100% certain this dip is of a higher degree than the last few. Thanks for the slo stoch numbers that confirm that feeling.

BTW, I used to do the Mr. Spock schtick back in the days on another board, in another galaxy far, far away. Can't believe how time flies, and how many suckers ... I mean "investors" can fall for the same crap time and again. Fear, Greed::Rinse, Repeat

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