Asahi Shinbun Confirms Nuclear Rods In Pressure Vessels And Spent Fuel Pools Are Damaged

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Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:10 | 1080605 SilverIsKing
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They are waiting for confirmation before jumping to conclusions.  Once the workers' hair begins to fall out, they'll do some further testing to confirm whether any radioactive dust has actually been inhaled.  My guess is that they'll attribute the tumors to the workers' bad smoking habits.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:51 | 1080705 SilverRhino
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Now the big 64 trillion dollar question.   Is the fuel IN or OUT of the reactor cores and containment vessels for the spent fuel rods?

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 05:44 | 1080942 slewie the pi-rat
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thinking out loud, silently, SilverRyno, i would say fuel IN the reactor cores for 1-3, most prob. 4, and also 5 & 6, where the reactors haven't appeared to go ape-shit,  although, again, we have no thermal data. 

spent fuel rods?  there were certainly thousands, probably tens of thousands and quite possibly hundreds of thousands of spent fuel rods in the containment vessels.  bundled arrays of these rods are the modular fuel.

1-3 were producing electric.  not sure about 4, think not.  5 & 6 not.

#3 was using a mox fuel, with some plutonium;  no too much info out about how much of this fuel and waste was around.  again, no thermal data, either.

that's my understanding of the scene at the time of the quake and tsunami. 

after which, we have pictures, videos, announcements, and not too much good news.

and in spite of how weird it seems to us, i personally don't think that a nuclear plant in your or my back yard, subject to a 9.0 and a 30-ft wave, and maybe us, too, would be any less "weird" than it is for our neighbors in japan.  but, we would be at least twice as cool about everything, of course.

i agree with tyler that this will end in cement and lead.  somehow.  and yes, many of the "workers" may buy the ranch from this job.

i do not agree that any other work is "window dressing" because there may be an aspect of getting the materials more under control before entombment, again, because of the heat build-up.  perhaps that will be possible on site.  one would hope so. 

no matter what level of preparation is needed for whatever is designed and decided, this is gonna be a pretty rough place to work. yet, it must be done.  i don't know how.  i don't even want to think about it.

but, i will.  i think the japanese are gonna take care of it.  and i don't think it's gonna be very pretty.  maybe that's a little faustian, but isn't just about everything, these days?

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 06:16 | 1080971 Yen Cross
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I feel for you. and don't lick my ass Bitch. Rants are good! Rant on and get it out! You are smart!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:31 | 1080835 willien1derland
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Any organizations aligned with the government as well as the MSM divorce causality from time - if it doesn't happen within 30 seconds of a given event it is unrelated (this is now considered scientific fact by any government agency) - I had family members & friends who worked at the Savannah River Site (SRS) and many who worked at a similar location over a period of time died of leukemia...the Government & their contracted resource du jour settled...but of course within the settlement agreement it was all unrelated...I think all DoE personnel & their families in Washington DC should be forced to work/live near/at the reactor sites they regulate - or better yet put a nuclear reactor right next to the House, Senate, & Supreme Court - anyone for Nuclear Power then?

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 03:33 | 1080879 Oh regional Indian
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Very true willien. It's equally true for the wars they instigate and send off other people's children to fight.

It's a diseased system, rotten to it's core, whose time has come.

Sickening.

ORI

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:22 | 1080900 franzpick
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Send all 435 members to a nearby overheating reactor for 1 month of 'continuing education' per year.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 08:42 | 1081166 MSimon
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There is always Islam.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:37 | 1080903 PY-129-20
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This is also interesting. (Source: German magazine: "Die Zeit")

In Hitachi, a 100 kilometres south of the nuclear plant, spinach had a Iod-131-value of
54000 becquerel and a Caesium value of 1931 becquerel per kilogramm. In Japan normally 2000 becquerel Iod and 500 becquerel Caesium is maximal allowed.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 06:46 | 1080997 BigDuke6
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The Japs need to be men, like the Right Stuff.

Inspiration can be found here.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2011/03/18/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed...

check out the apollo mission eulogy to be read by nixon if they died.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:13 | 1080610 dannyadornato
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Just posted on Kyodo News:

NEWS ADVISORY: 1 worker found to be exposed to radiation of 150 millisievert per hour

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:20 | 1080626 Blorf
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Did they leave any info as to where to send the flowers?  Jesus, that is like getting a CT scan every few minutes.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 05:17 | 1080932 KevinB
Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:24 | 1080762 Attitude_Check
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For how many hours?  if exposure is less than 500mS then bad but not horrible.  If above 1000mS the that would be bad.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:30 | 1080772 avonaltendorf
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Dear Check,

Please click this link to Time Magazine, and help me ascertain if the geiger counter says 0.35 or 0.035 as claimed. Thx.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2060448,00.html

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:56 | 1080812 majia
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Well my eyes saw .35 very clearly.

It is possible that I don't know how to read the gauge and .35 really means .035.

However, after watching the Battle for Chernobyl (recommended by posters)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#

I am very pessimistic and fed my child seaweed (snacks) tonight, which he insisted on washing down with barbeque chips and powerade because he said it tasted so baaadddd.... (i thought they were good....)

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:03 | 1080818 TruthInSunshine
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Sea cucumber is the ultimate source of clean iodine, but it's definitely an acquired taste.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:31 | 1080901 franzpick
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Well it has been a clean source, but I won't be acquiring much of anything after April 1st; I did order 8 bottles of sea kelp caps last week in lieu of KI.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 06:51 | 1081001 zhandax
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I stopped at GNC for a bottle of kelp tablets Friday night.  Three stores within about 5 miles, all sold out.  At the third, I asked the clerk who did have some.  She checked all the GNCs within 20mi, 50mi, 100mi and 500mi and all were sold out.  500 miles from here is halfway to Miami or New York.  Tip: at a different vitamin store (also sold out of kelp) I did find some bottles of liquefied bladder-wrack.  It is a different species of seaweed which is similarly rich in iodine content.  Apparently not as well known.  First prescribed in the British Isles for goiter (iodine deficiency) in the 1800s.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 07:29 | 1081028 Yen Cross
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I'll remember that when I catch a dose of thyroid disfunction!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:58 | 1080861 Tecla
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Meters are configured to choose a multiple, x1, x10, etc. The picture is not clear enough to determine what it's set at. 

Some research on seaweed sounds like most of it is indeed a good source of iodine. Watch out for Hijiki(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijiki) however as it's been found to contain inorganic arsenic which is decidedly not good(and potentially cancer causing). 

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 06:06 | 1080964 ColonelCooper
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@ Check:

Are you getting your milli's and micro's mixed up?  500 mSV is 1/2 of a sievert.  Per hour.  That's 50 Rads.  Per hour.  I would put that in the horrible range.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:14 | 1080614 UGrev
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There is no greater shame or dishonor than to place a price on a human life. That is exactly what these people have done. Fuck your share-holders.. 

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:41 | 1080683 fasTTcar
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Just apply the formula.

h/t fight club

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:51 | 1080917 XPolemic
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Take the number of vehicles in the field (A)

Multiply it by the probable rate of failure (B)

Then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement (C)

A x B x C = X

If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

 

(Sorry for the Karma Whoring, but couldn't resist)

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 07:19 | 1081020 Yen Cross
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Dont be!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 08:47 | 1081189 MSimon
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The alternative to running those numbers is that only the rich can afford a car.  You would prefer to drive a bicycle?

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:18 | 1080620 greatscott
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The next thing you know, we will be hearing via Ann Coulter, don't worry a little toxic radiation will give you some well deserved time off.  Permanently!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 06:12 | 1080969 No Hedge
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yeah..a little bit of radiation is good for your skin and wrinkles.. go for it :-)

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 08:52 | 1081201 MSimon
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To prevent significant radiation to the human body you will have to give up unpurified sources of potassium and live far underground - provided you can make your underground shelter uranium free. That shit is everywhere.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:17 | 1080622 Mentalic
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Just to add to this..Was watching NHK live press conf around 30 mins back...

TEPCO spokesperson was saying workers are being trained on pouring concrete ...but, did not specify where they will be used...

Looks like the entombment that a lot of ppl wanted would eventually start...

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:38 | 1080906 franzpick
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Wonder if they're neglecting to train the tunneling crew for digging and pouring the underground concrete foundation, or maybe they're just going with 'Out of sight, out of (your) mind'.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:20 | 1080629 Paul Bogdanich
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"NEWS ADVISORY: 1 worker found to be exposed to radiation of 150 millisievert per hour" 

 

If that's all that happens it would be a great outcome.  Anyway, if they can get it cooled then they can entomb it and then they can measure the final damage declare a quarantine area and reevaluatge in 60 years after the Cesium has gone through two half lives and the iodine through seven and a half.     

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:38 | 1080669 ruffian
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WRONG....unlike chernobyl these fuel rods are suspended 100 ft. in the air on upper floors of the reactors.....pouring concrete on top would crush the reactor structure and create a giant pile of splintered fuel rods at ground level that would heat up and crack the tomb and/or melt right thru the bottom !!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:36 | 1080756 Rusty Shorts
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This is the truth.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 03:51 | 1080885 herewego...
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fair point. it was a dumb place to put those sticks.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:43 | 1080908 franzpick
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It's GE's fault.  All 3 of my top-loaded GE washer-dryer-fridge appliances have melted down.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 04:43 | 1080910 franzpick
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Caution:  Junk in the road ahead!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 08:21 | 1081107 whoopsing
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Who'da thunck it was a bad idea to stack firewood on top of my fireplace ;)

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 10:30 | 1081639 flattrader
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Possible solution--

Start pumping concrete from the bottom to the level of the bottom of the pool, then fill in from above.  This might avoid collapse of the pool structure.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:21 | 1080631 Spastica Rex
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More negativity from Zero Hedge. Why do you hate Japan? As Meher Baba said, "Don't worry, be happy!"

 

Remember realism is really just pessimism and we can't have any of that. Soma for all!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:36 | 1080657 Filthy Rotter
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My Friend,

 

I'm sure everybody here on ZH would help, if they could...physically, mentally, financially...    And I can nearly say for certain that NOBODY here HATES Japan...you fucking MORON!

 

People are letting off steam in their own way.  Do you have another way for hand-tied, intelligent people to do that.

 

Go FUCK yourself REX!  You have NO idea how good it felt for my fucking fingers to just type that...you fucking SPASTIC!

No matter how shit it gets...we'll find a way...all of us.  But fuck-arses like you will always need to be carried.  Gobshite!!!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:39 | 1080671 Cleverbot
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Yes, you're much less articulate.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:42 | 1080682 Filthy Rotter
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Very clever.

 

Gobshite!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:48 | 1080703 TerraHertz
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WARNING! 150 milli-Sdf and rising. (Sdf = Sarcasm detection failure)

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:20 | 1080759 Filthy Rotter
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150 milli-Sdf  x 1(*fBh) = Just'inTime...save Man...THz (microwave man)!

 

*falseBleedingheart

 

gobshite

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 01:27 | 1080770 Attitude_Check
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I think you need to refine your sarcasm filter.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 05:50 | 1080956 Optimusprime
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Calm down.  Didn't you see the reference to "soma"?  This is obviously sarcastic.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 07:30 | 1081029 Yen Cross
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Voltron Bitch!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 08:56 | 1081219 MSimon
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Soma for all!

 

I had no idea you spoke Italian.

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