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Assange Arranging To Meet Police "By Consent"
Breaking news per Reuters: "Lawyer for WikiLeak's Julian Assange says arranging to meet police by consent." Whether this means an arrest is imminent we hope to find out shortly. And just this out from NBC: Julian Assange's attorney says a place and time are being negotiated for a meeting with Scotland Yard.
From Reuters:
A lawyer for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said on Monday he and his client were in the process of arranging to meet British police.
"Julian Assange has not been charged with anything," Mark Stephens told BBC television.
"We are in the process of making arrangements to meet with the police by consent in order to facilitate the taking of that question and answer that's needed."
He could not give details about when that might be arranged.
Assange is wanted in Sweden in connection with alleged sex crimes.
And the latest from the Guardian:
8.24pm: This just in from Ewan MacAskill, the Guardian's correspondent in Washington:
"International pressure on Julian Assange intensified tonight as the US attorney general, Eric Holder, disclosed that he had authorised "significant" actions aimed at prosecuting the WikiLeaks founder over the release of thousands of diplomatic cables.
The US attorney general, speaking at a press conference in Washington, said: "The lives of people who work for the American people have been put at risk. The American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that I believe are arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can."
Asked if he might mount a prosecution under the Espionage Act, Holder said: "That is certainly something that might play a role, but there are other statutes, other tools at our disposal."
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Thanks, Tylers. You're on the ball.
ZH has jumped the shark.
Leak-a-mundo!
+1000
Hackers take down website of bank that froze WikiLeaks funds
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/hackers-website-bank-froz e-wikileaks-funds/
Does this mean the insurance will be claimed? Will the police refuse to pick him up?
They will say "he drew first".
"Shot while attempting to escape."
god bless julian, hero extraordinaire...
fuck the police state. i pray for julian's safety.
Amen to all of that!
Idiot. You'll say this until he leaks your private e-mail. The concept of "transparency" applies to all, or it applies to none.
That's the wikipoint.
Our "public servants" are already reading our private email without warrant or cause.
When we gave up the expectation of privacy...
No, you are missing the WikiPoint. Your private mail is not posted on the internet for all to see.
Fair is fair, and transparency is an absolute. If it's not, then who decides who and what is not entitled to privacy...Mr. Assange? You're cool with that?
If so...post your real name and e-mail address right here on ZH. If not...Julian Assange may wonder who you really are and what you are hiding. People have a right to know, don't they?
Please provide examples of Assange leaking information which is not in the public interest on private individuals.
Please show where I claimed he did so. The point is there is nobody and nothing stopping him from doing it.
Seems that most people here don't mind having Mr. Assange claim power without any accountability. Y'all haven't thought this through, and may regret it when he reveals something you'd rather he hadn't. Then you'll wonder what gave him the right and why you never questioned it.
Please show where I claimed he did so.
It amazes me that some folks can't recall what they typed just moments before. You suggested that Assange wanted to know ZH readers names:
If so...post your real name and e-mail address right here on ZH. If not...Julian Assange may wonder who you really are and what you are hiding.
Ok, you're just being ridiculous (but I'm not amazed by that).
Is English not your primary language, or are you willfully misreading my statement? I suspect the latter.
Yeah, it's my fault that you said Assange wants personal info on individuals and then pretended not to say it. Please forgive me.
Well, first of all, wikileaks is merely the conduit used by whistleblowers - similar to the NYT with Ellsberg. Even today, many newspapers are reprinting the cables and are not said to be terrorist organizations. Why only a problem with wiki and not The Guardian, et al?
Secondly, these are not the home telephone numbers and private information of these people. This is information that illuminated what they do in my name. They work for me - they do not own me. So comparing this information to my private information is not a fair comparison. I am opposed to my private telephone calls, emails, and purchases being spied upon and databased - but I'm told that I should have no expectation of privacy. Why, then, should the people who call themselves public servants, expect to be able to act in our name without accountability?
I think more people would oppose wikileaks if our rulers were acting in the interest of the people and not viewed as above and beyond law and accountability. Thanks for your respectful dissent. I appreciate a different perspective.
Hey Miss Information:
You wanna be a politician, a 'Public Servant'? Well then, you're gonna live in the public's eye, you have to sacrifice a large part of your private life, comes with the territory.
I'm a private citizen, I don't collect your taxes and decide how they are to be spent, or who I am going to bomb in your name.
Are we learning yet TeeA?
"transparency applies to all or none" Well, sir, I VEHEMENTLY disagree. The assholes that allegedly work for the public interest need to have some level of accountability to their constituency. Now, here is where I concede a minor point: it's sad that "leaks" is the only way to get anybody's attention, to wit: the primitive but effective method of risk-of-pain, BUT I see no other means of even raising a debate, let alone effecting any meaningful change, other than brute force, do you?
My private email is tradertimm@gmail.com.
Also, go fuck yourself.
I would like to see 100,000 people on the street demanding freedom for Assange, what he is doing is bigger than Dalai Lama, bigger than Aung San Suu Kyi
With him the whole free world will go to prison
Dalai Lama and Aung San Suu? So he's even bigger then these two drones on the cia and countless NGO's payroll? What have those two goofballs wrote or done in their lives to be considered heroes of the free world? Oh wait you must have seen their coverage on the CNN... What the world needs now is more useless junk low grade intel that any person with a half brain already knows, unless we need to sling mud at the official enemies then maybe something of intrest might come up.
I haven't made myself clear enough, that is what I meant, they are just puppet figures without actually having done anything or haveing any infuence, that is why the media loves them cuz they are harmless
What the world needs now is more useless junk low grade intel that any person with a half brain already knows,
Let's test that theory. Tell me what you know about reports of an Iranian spy plane shot down in Yemen.
Well you have to add some truth to make the propaganda more credible, the truth that does not really change the thought current of the site. So we have learned that USA flies spy planes, oh my god what a leak of the century!!!!! We must support wikileals, this intel is going to change the way we think about intel gathering.
Does anyone care that these documents clearly support US and Israeli war-mongering? Does anyone else find that to be astonishing? Where is the critical thought?
So you are claiming that when it was reported that an Iranian spy plane was shot down over Yemen you instinctively concluded that it was actually a cover story to hide the fact that a US spy plane had washed up on a Yemeni beach?
Really? That's quite amazing. Except for the fact that you're lying.
Now go ahead and explain how Wikileaks helped Israel by revealing that the Iranians did not send a spy plane over Yemen. Is exonerating Iran helpful to Israel?
I didnt conclude anything, i didn't even catch the original news, what the hell are you talking about? Do you need a leak to tell you that the USA uses spy planes all over the world and manipulates information to its own advantage? Welcome to the real world.
And to the guy below, Israel is a state not a race.
I didnt conclude anything, i didn't even catch the original news, what the hell are you talking about?
First you said: "What the world needs now is more useless junk low grade intel that any person with a half brain already knows," then you said "I didnt conclude anything, i didn't even catch the original news." Don't you see the contradiction? Did you know what was in the leaks before you read them or did you not?
Fascinating that the anti-Israel crowd feels driven to tie Assange to Israel. That racial hate is a real congnitive destroyer isn't it?
I'm no friend of Israel but I see no reason to doubt Assange's credibility. Apparently the chemtrail crowd has it in for Wikileaks, not really sure why.
Bingo.
And you'll get nowhere trying to hash it out.
You're probably right. I do feel compelled to offer a rational retort to the unsupportable conspiracy crowd for the benefit of readers who may not be well informed on this issue. I know I can't convince the cranks, but I attempt to make their convoluted thinking more apparent to interested parties.
Good job. I spoze somebody hasta do it, or that perspective would appear representative of the ZH community as a whole.
I don't have the patience or heart for it. Not to mention the hopelessness of the seeming cause. They are clearly CIA psyops personnel . . . or counter-counter-counter-counter-counter Massad agents . . . ;-0
Chemtrail crowd? You know another name for Chemtrails is Geo-Engineering and the UN has banned it: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69K18320101021
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19660-what-the-un-ban-on-geoengineering-really-means.html
Sounds like you condemn before researching. And before you say Geo-engineering isn't chem trails, I suggest you read and indeed see that it is a trail of chemicals from an airplane. By definition a chem-trail. Some might ascribe insane fantasies to the effects or contents of the chemtrails, but their existence is now established fact.
I used to think the chemtrail thing was total bullshit (some of the theories still are of course), just as I did many "conspiracy theories". Turns out some of them are true. Even deep shit, black psyops campaigns. I think being agnostic on the WL thing is probably wisest until I see a clincher one way or the other. I pray JA lives because if they kill him we might never know, unless the insurance really is something huge.
Sounds like you condemn before researching.
It didn't occur to you that I have researched the subject and reached a conclusion different than yours? That indicates a lack of cognitive skills.
The Reuters article says nothing about the government spraying poison on US citizens. Cloud seeding is a completely different topic and has been going on for decades. Kurt Vonnegut's brother was involved in the early days. Maybe he was Mossad.
You are correct about the Dalai Lama, but let's be fair, Aung San Suu is a MI6 asset.
But Assange is not an agent for peace as the other two are. He proposes to end all practical diplomacy, preferring instead a black and white world of absolute transparency. The end result will be bitter feuds and war over imagined slights.
Consider your personal life if you were prohibited from any private conversation or any semblance of half-truth. When the wife asks if her new jeans makes her butt look big...whatcha gonna do then?
poor analogy
But governments usurp the sovereignty which rightly lies solely with the individual. It is the government which makes voluntary association and private conversation impossible through acts such as the blockade of Gaza and the West Bank.
There is no way to simultaneously support governmental rights and individual rights. Such forces are always at odds.
"There is no way to simultaneously support governmental rights and individual rights. Such forces are always at odds."
Only when we allow a mindset that creates a separation between the individual and the government. Democracy demands that power be vested in the people, and thus that the people ARE the goverment. We excuse our failings by assigning blame to "them", and forget that "they" are nobody except us.
Those who honor Mr. Assange celebrate a person assuming the power to reveal secrets and seem not to question whether such power is ever rightly vested in an unaccountable individual. To do so is to willingly surrender the very sovereignty you say you wish to defend. In short...why would sovereign individuals be happy to have Julian Assange making decisions for us? We did not vote on this; he just assumed power on his own. That should be a matter of concern to free-thinking, sovereign individuals.
Democracy demands that power be vested in the people, and thus that the people ARE the goverment.
I am a person -- an individual. When power is usurped by some ambiguous mass called "the people" I lose my voice.
I already have sovereignty over my own body. What benefit do I gain by giving over that sovereignty to a group of 300 million strangers (or more rightly the politicians who "lead" them), none of whom will protect my interests more intently than I will myself?
Gaza & the West Bank are way O.T. but let's take that as a test case:
Suppose Hillary Clinton has been using back channel pressure on Israel to end the Gaza blockade. She has used tough language, maybe even threats. Assange dumps it all into the public domain, and the Israeli public is then outraged against the USA and hardens their stance. Gaza gets invaded again. People die.
Is the cause of peace and freedom advanced by this transparency, or not?
Suppose Hillary Clinton has been using back channel pressure on Israel to end the Gaza blockade.
Why not just suppose that Hillary Clinton is your fairy godmother. That would be less fantastic than her pressuring Israel over Gaza. If the US wanted to stop Israel's slaughter of the Palestinians they could just stop giving them arms and money. No pressure or diplomacy required.
Gotcha - fixed world view. Not worth my time to discuss further.
Enjoy your servitude.
TeamAmerica, you are a fucking idiot and a provocateur.
Is he doing this for money or just ethnic solidarity with the ruling elite?
I would say: "Honey, I certainly hope so! You know how much I like your big ass!"
Check your premises, you'll come up with better arguments.
He's already met Swedish police once before - after they dropped the rape charge the first time.
It has been resurrected as a result of bribes and influence to discredit him.
This from the Euro Elite that rape school boys and Irish Wolfhounds for recreation.
Enough with the Wikileaks already. Do you really think they'd put a true enemy of the elites on the cover of Time magazine?
Project Censored has been running dozens of stories a year for the last 10 years that are much more damaging to the MSM corporate narratives than Wikileaks, and those stories never see the light of day. Why do you think that is, when you can't open a newspaper, magazine or flip on a TV without hearing about Wikileaks.
Get some Prozac and come back in 1 hour
right jmac.. Of course, you are now like an atheist at an evangelist convention right now... Like I said before, as soon as this guy puts something out that Israel doesn't like and/or something that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together didn't already know (or knew as propaganda) I will reconsider my position.
something that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together didn't already know
Let's test that characterization. Tell me, off the top of your head, what you know about reports of an Iranian spy plan shot down in Yemen.
Ohhh please.. I don't have detailed information about the 250k documents no.. But I do know every headline that hit the MSM about the releases have been regurgitations of previous propaganda pieces.
Nice try.. but still a fail.
Don't worry cocketta.. you will get your war against brown people sooner or later.. Plenty of spilled blood coming to quench your thirst..
What makes you think I hate brown people?
Don't you get it? He thinks you are Mossad now.
It's too funny. I seem to recall arguing against you and on the same side as Max in favor of Palestine in several threads over the course of the summer. All of a sudden my support for Assange makes me Mossad in Max's eyes. Weird.
Anyone that believe in this false idea that Arabs hate us for our freedom (and are terrorists) and we should be on the other side of the earth with our military is either a racist or and idiot, or both. Probably both.. From what I can see by previous comments, ITG and Cocketta both fall under that category.
Max, please link to even one, single post in which I support war in the Middle East (or anywhere else).
Well.. If I am wrong and I have you confused with another poster, you have my sincerest apology. I mean that.. I will not make another assault on you until I go back and review what I think has been stated in the past. Again, if I have you confused with someone else, you have my deepest apology.
Question: Have you in the past defended U.S. policy towards Israel? I know ITG has, and I may have you confused.
Or, are you a 9/11 truther basher?
Take a look at the post on my blog about the attack on Free Gaza. My take on 9/11 is virtually identical to that of Dr. Paul.
You will reconsider your paranoia toward Assange or Israel? Define your terms.
I don't have paranoia.. Simply observations.. If these leaks stop supporting war mongering propaganda and actually reveal something that would counter support to our military/israeli agenda I would reconsider my position.
The Wikileaks revelation that an Iranian spy plane was not shot down over Yemen helps dispel the idea that Iran is a threat to its neighbors. The Israelis would prefer that Arab nations believe that Iran is a threat to them. The Wikileaks story undermines the Israeli position.
I'm open minded on this one CA. I haven't seen that revelation do you have a link?
Thanks for keeping an open mind. Here's the story:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/72292.html
It looks better come hanging judgement time if you "surrendered" to the Gestapo.
They might just knock 2,000 years off your 3,105 year jail sentence.
Go ahead, I hope they arrest him! I want those files released!
Let see a raise of hands. In the Black Swan office pool who picked "A guy from Australia with some non-public emails will crash the global banking system when he is arrested."
Anybody??? Anybody???
If he presses the button on the BAC leaks simultaneously with his arrest we could have an event.
BAC is probably offering to pay his legal fees.
Re evidence for WikiLeaks as a fake CIA & Mossad psy-op:
With all his great international legal team, Assange chooses to hang out in Britain, which has a uniquely corrupt fascist extradition treaty with the US, whereby the UK will hand anyone over to the US without evidence or probable cause, just because the US requests it ... The US gov't can fabricate charges against anyone in 5 minutes ... yet nothing is filed against Assange, even though the US could have him, just by simply asking their UK best buddies
And for those who haven't considered ... found on the web (Daily Bell, Cryptome, Wayne Madsen, Webster Tarpley, others ...)
- Board members of Wikileaks from CIA-entities, including ones tied to CIA-Google contracts and funding, and to CIA's front NGO 'National Endowment for Democracy'
- Thrust of Wikileaks revelations supporting US war initiatives against Iran and for military intervention against Pakistan, trying to make Lebanese distrust and fear each other, slander of independent Al Jazeera news, other US & Israeli larger objectives
- Israeli Prime Minister happy about Wikileaks in effect supporting war in Middle East, and Julian Assange praises the Israeli Prime Minister
- Wikileaks has something like € 1 million in bank, € 200,000 annual budget, supposedly from small 'donations' via PayPal etc. ... but bigger sweetheart funding likely behind it
- Wikileaks website doesn't reflect million-in-assets organisation, many have done much more with much less
- One of Julian Assange's lawyers is also lawyer for US Associated Press, giant US-gov't linked corporate media agency, owned by major US media owned by ruling US oligarch families
- With € 1 million in assets, a small army of international lawyers, and Assange and friends 'expert computer hackers' ... they sign up for US-based internet services, just like they are a bunch of newbies on Facebook
- One of Wikileaks site names registered by Jimmy Wales founder of Wikipedia, notorious CIA-agent disinfo site (proven in Wired news etc.), Wales himself part of CIA-linked CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) major US gov't policy tool for oligarchs & establishment. Jimmy Wales is also a close personal friend of President of Israel Shimon Peres, even recently attending an intimate birthday party for him.
- Wikileaks has unusual super good access to corporate media, NY Times and UK Guardian, both shills - mouthpieces for US and UK governments and establishment, media with fake 'progressive' image but refusing to carry much anti-gov't reporting, however nice open door for Wikileaks
- Julian Assange hostile to other progressive revelations, Assange hostile to questioning about US 11 Sept for example
- Julian Assange childhood troubled, under tutelage of parental figures involved with CIA-mind-control-experiment-type application of severely mind-altering drugs upon children
- Assange has previously used internet code name 'Mendax', ancient Latin word for 'liar'
- Weird situation with Assange and Swedish girls, one of them previously published web treatise on how to get revenge on ex-boyfriend re false accusations, one of them has departed for Israel ...
- Was it time to put some 'heat' on Assange because too many people were beginning to write about the CIA-Wikileaks connections?
- Was it time to make it look like Wikileaks is anti-US, to cover for the fact it is a US intel operation?
- The best lies are those that mix some truth with the lies, and the US gov't, has little problem with a further expansion of the well-known fact it is a torturing, murdering, killing-of-innocents regime. A few more Iraq and Afghanistan war atrocities exposed, are a small price to pay for:
--- A world-class media manipulation project to help sponsor more upcoming wars, and
--- Enabling the US to achieve greater dominance over internet content, and
--- Enlisting other Western governments in US-led global efforts of internet censorship, as has already occurred thanks to Wikileaks.
Video « Is Wikileaks a CIA Operation? », speaking of some of the above on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGAgrxscOg
Evidence that you suck government cock:
1. Repeatedly slandering Assange on ZH with your ridiculous claims. Slandering someone who is being persecuted, and probably arrested, to buck the system. What have you done of note?
2. Your name; you are a bank guy in Brussels, therefore you work for the ECB, aka, 'the system'. See how guilt by association works?
Actually I am bored after two points. For the other points see the responses to your spam in every other Assange post on ZH.
FOAD.
He makes some good points. What is not known at this time is if assange is still inserted into the matrix and beliving that he's been pulled out of the matrix. Or if they are trying to set up a entanglement with him to diminish his credibility and sympathy.
Wiki is not a cia operation. Wiki is infested by the CIA. They edit more pages than any other group on the planet and if you want to have direct contact with the CIA simply edit a wiki page in a way that is honest and damning to the CIA. They'll get on you like flies on shit.
These analysis of julian assange are not being done 100 percent accurately and it's being noticed. I'm seeing a lot of damnation creep in it all.
You seem to be confusing Wikileaks with Wikipedia.
So how come many websites who expose much worse war crimes, and and infinitely bigger dirty tricks of the governments newer seem to get coverage in the mainstream media? Are you being played by the system?
Can you show me such a site which publishes actual documents detailing government indiscretions? An excerpt from such documents and a link would be ideal.
Crockett, thanks for having the patience to debunk post-by-post the fallacious reasoning / disinfo / establishment propaganda thrown about.
Interesting. But please be quiet ITG, your voice doesn't add any credibility.
I mean, aren't you the same spooge plug who complained repeatedly on ZH that those 9 people murdered by Israeli gov't sponsored pirates who illegally attacked that ship in international waters were 'stupid because they stood up for their rights against a force larger than them'? So by your recreant line of reasoning, shouldn't you be calling Assange an idiotic 'David against a Goliath' too? Or do you just save all your 'Too Big To Fight' blather for supporting violence against the weak, as long as the perp is from Israel?
Regards
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.
That's good advice, Alice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srn0xkXTSgs
aren't you the same spooge plug who complained repeatedly on ZH that those 9 people murdered by Israeli gov't sponsored pirates who illegally attacked that ship in international waters were 'stupid because they stood up for their rights against a force larger than them'?
You're right, ITG is pro-Israel big time. Doesn't seem to be the issue for some folks. I've made hundreds of pro-Palestinian posts over the past six month -- in fact I joined ZH in order to comment on the Mavi Marmara -- but my support for Assange has caused several folks to accuse me of supporting Israel.
When I consider Israel, Palestine, Julian Assange or anything else I examine all the available facts for myself. The facts simply do not support a connection between Assange and Mossad at this time. If someone would provide evidence of such a connection rather than half baked speculation I'd be more than happy to review it.
Completely with you on that CA, I just felt obliged to point out the ironic mental contortions someone like ITG has to rationalize in order to support his seemingly unconditional approval of even the most unconscionable foreign/domestic policies of some nations to the exclusion of the rights of others; just so nobody makes the mistake of taking anything he writes too seriously.
+1
Naaah, (and +1,000 BTW), she/he/it tracks back to the Swedish Prosecutor's office, I think, either there or their Economic Crimes Bureau, both hosted on the same server.
These are some very tenuous arguments, which together don't amount to a hill of beans. As for the UK's extradition treaty with the US, I agree this shames the UK, but I think it very unlikely that Assange would be extradited to the US.
1) If he is arrested, it will a Swedish warrant, and their case will take precedence.
2) The US will struggle to concoct a charge against Assange, and the UK, which is proud of its "independent" judicial system, will not order the extradition of Assange - with the whole world looking on - unless a very strong case is presented.
I think Assange will spend the next 5 years between prison and a court room, without actually getting charged with anything, they will play ping pong with him till he gets tired(and cuts a deal) or goes crazy.
Just like in Kafka he will never leave the legal system just be shoved from 1 room to the next in circles
No bail. Even though he voluntarily surrendered he will be labeled "extreme flight risk" by the toolbox judge that sits at his bail hearing.
Judge then find a miraculous deposit to his new Swiss bank account.
'shames the UK" ?????? You are kidding right? That shithole of a country has nothing left to feel shame for. Their government threw them overboard 40+ years ago.
"Concoct" a charge? Assange boldly admits to publishing private communications. He's not hiding his actions, so why would the USA need to "concoct" anything? The guy IS committing a crime...that's why so many anarchist types consider him a hero.
If it wasn't a crime, there would be no need for WikiLeaks, would there?
BTW you omit the possibility of the UK charging Assange themselves. If he releases a private UK government communique, he'll be liable to arrest under UK law too.
The guy IS committing a crime
Not according to the Supreme Court which upheld the right of the NYT to publish the Pentagon Papers. You've been over ruled.
The cases are not analogous. For starters, these leaked communications are not internal to the US government, nor is Mr. Assange a United States citizen.
More importantly, the Supreme Court did not affirm the rights of the NYT; the documents were placed into the public record by a Senator and the Supreme Court held that a Senator can say anything he wants to on the Senate floor without any risk of it being called treason (or whatever). My memory may be fuzzy but that was the gist of it.
Julian Assange has no such extraordinary privilege.
I'll stick with Judge Napolitano's analysis rather than yours.
I am now tracking you sonny, and in the not too distant future I plan on making both you, and Eric Holder, my bitchez.
Count on it.
Swedish prosecutor's office:
aklagare.se
hosted at:
beijer.episerverhotell.net
http://www.episerverhotell.net/
217.114.81.166
Sucking cock in Brussels is more like it.
Brussels bank guy do you have a link for these two assertions in the following bullet point:
I'm keen to source the origin of these two assertions. If true, it certainly bolsters the case for Wikileaks being Mossad puppets, or unwitting tools. Thanks in advance.
I am praying for this guy. Hope he has made the right decision.
NEWS ALERT: I have cracked the encypted "Insurance File."
It says, "The banks have always and always will fuck the sheeple."
So the question is, if he is arrested, does he press his nuclear insurance button?
If the trigger is a program that requires some daily maintenance or else it sends out the key, JA need not press any button. It is the absence of such pressing that will be important.
Has anyone checked to make sure that Jack Ruby's grave is still occupied?
I encourage every worker on banking sector to participate juiciest leak reality show..there must be thousands of workers among banking industry who knows the dirty little secrets of these banks...its not a crime to expose a crime...still dont know if we will find any with a backbone
They keep the dirty stuff on a 'need to know basis' I doubt a small time bank employee knows many secrets
I am pretty sure that someone is thinking at the moment that "it would be nice to be the one in history books who destroyed GS or the banking system" and to be the "juiciest-leak-of-the-week-title" holder at zerohedge
I urge u to come out, history will remember u forever and u will be rewarded as a person of the millenium
Indeud:
"Courage my friend, it's not too late to make the world a better place." -T.Douglas
I just hope that little red dot doesnt show up on his chest.
Making a martyr of Mr. A would certainly put an end to speculations such as those raised above by "bank guy in Brussels".
IMO, this has too many elements of a made-for-tv event to be totally true.
IMO, this has too many elements of a made-for-tv event to be totally true.
All reported events are now tailored for TV. Is nothing real? Remember, for example, the mini-series called Hurricane Katrina? Did that really happen?
Little red dots are sooo 1997. We've got much better stuff nowadays. :-)
They might stick him in a room and throw away the room.
Nice to see that Eric "Place" Holder has finally found something worth sinking his teeth into.
Newsflash, Holder, YOU and the rest of your gang are the biggest danger to the "American People."
If we're really a nation that wants our military gleefully lighting up groups of reporters with 20mm cannon, then I really don't want to be part of this nation.
Holder and Bama's position is that we must allow the government to break every rule, violate every principle, do whatever it wants, whenever, or else our lives are "at risk." FUCK IT, put my fucking life at risk then. I'd rather live with risk than with THEM.
I think Assange is Pansy-boy Holder's second project, if you'll recall, his first project was putting tax evasion (Licthtenstein tax have/OFC) whistleblower Bradley Birkenfeld in a federal penitentiary.
Beautifully said.
The big boys are getting really nervous. You cannot trust a government that trades a murderer for oil. Nothing bad has happened since the leaks began. Nothing bad will happen after it is all over. The only thing that has come out from the leaks is something we all knew before the leaks; our government lies to us constantly and steals from us consistently. Very few politicians will be reelected if their names are included in the leaks; that scares the hell out of the big boys.
"Nothing bad has happened since the leaks began."
I'm curious how you think you know that. WikiLeaks says so? And how exactly do we know when "it is all over" and nothing that happens in the world is related to the leaks?
If you believe that "something bad" has happened due to the leaks it is incumbent upon you to present the evidence. Habeas corpus and all that.
Ah...Catch 22, eh? If the leaks cause a problem, you want additional leaks to document that as fact.
My point is HOW CAN WE KNOW? Every action by every government is now colored by having this dirty laundry revealed.
Kim Jong Il shells South Korea; related to leaked documents or not? Iran reveals more and more of their nuclear capability; related or not? And so on from now into the future...country X turns down a trade agreement, country Z walks away from peace talks. Who can know which "something bad" would or would not have happened without these leaks?
That's not a Catch-22, it's the US Constitution. Do you really believe that if I concoct a charge against you with no evidence that it is up to you to prove your innocence?
I have no ideea how long this charade may continue but one thing I really do know, just like you, for that matter, when this thing ends it will be MAD MAX times 10, if I should still be a live, i'm 45 now, I will not just be a by stander! World Gov seem to have "lost it" and we need to "find it" back! Rest is just gold and silver!
i didnt know this...wikileaks havent leaked the data directly to the public...???
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/12/04/shocker-us-state-department-%E2%80%98cleared%E2%80%99-the-release-of-wikileaks-documents-published-so-far/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+pakalert+(Pak+Alert+Press)
and look at the media going crazy.....how many times did they discuss the climate gat emails .......??
There is more Climategate info in the Wikileaks material:
WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accordEmbassy dispatches show America used spying, threats and promises of aid to get support for Copenhagen accord
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulat...
Whatever you think of Assange, it's worth checking the details. A whois on wikileaks.com reveals that the admin is domains@wikia.com; wikia.com was founded by Jimmy Wales, founder of wikipedia (which I do believe to be part of the EE). That said I've downloaded the insurance file, because I don't know where Assange is coming from, but there is definitely some murk involved. His acceptance of the official 911 story reeks.
http://whois.domaintools.com/wikileaks.com
http://bigthink.com/jimmywales
Dood and doodettes, the domains in the WikiMedia province all show the same, because they are Wiki, you moron.
You are definitely not a technoid, sonny, so let us hope you are also not a complete douchebag nor member of the douchebag party.
Frigging idiots.....
The wikileaks address with which I am familiar is wikileaks.org -- what do we know about the history of wikileaks.com?
Here is the whois info on wikileaks.org:
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oh alright then, i stand corrected. i still say his support of the 911 lie stinks. and begs questions of his motivations. and i still have that insurance file downloaded.
Please provide documentation of Assange's "support of the 911 lie."
"I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11..."
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-w...
Do you believe that there are no false conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11? I have read that the Manhattan skyline was replaced by a hologram on 9/11 to simulate the planes hitting the towers. Is that a true conspiracy or a false conspiracy?
Looks like disinfo to me. Not your post, but the theory you reference.
Interestingly enough I had a known anarchist organizer (irony), but not participant in the WTO riots tell me within days of 9/11 that the hologram theory was what happened. Looking back dude was probably a co-intel pro type guy. He was forever urging people (I had a class with him at university) to commit illegal acts of violence while simultaneously refusing to do the same. He was one freaky dude.
Looks like disinfo to me. Not your post, but the theory you reference.
Quite right. And the accusations that Assange is a terrorist rapist Israeli spy also reek of a disinformation ploy.
Well, I'm open to that possibility as well. One thing is certain Intelco is muddying the waters to an amazing degree. I just want something really solid one way or the other.
How often do you have the opportunity to read thousands of secret government cables? Why not take the opportunity to review them and learn what you can?
what "911 lie"?
You should stop posting while you are ahead...oops, too late.
Didn't he "meet...by consent" with those Swedish chicks too? Watch it Julian!
Julian can file charges against them if their condom breaks.
If they can imprison Martin Armstrong for nothing they certainly can get Julian. If he consents to meet with police I suggest he wear the double sturdy condom...
I think he will be on the recieving end.
Too much blind, ideological junking in this thread.
Junk is not disagreement.
New Wikileaks address:
www.wikileaks.ch
Moved their servers to Switzerland but are still being attacked by governments who pretend they believe in "Free Speech"....
Power elites like to control the message, all messages to the sheeple.
Indeed, up to and including controlling the opposition. Think Colmes when he was on Hannity and Colmes. I'm not saying that is what's going on here, I'm just saying its a possibility. A lot of oldschool analysts seem to think not everything is as it appears. Enough so that I'm agnostic. Too many strange things here to make a judgement. I try to look at results and ignore noise.
The biggest result of the cablegate seems to be a greater push for war on Iran and weakening of Obama and Hiliary. Perhaps the powers that be (whoever they may be) are finished with Obama and the Dems for now. They will just pick up the puppet strings for the Red Team puppets. Gotta keep the partisan masses happy.
It could even be that Assagne got duped by these folks into publishing things that met their objectives. There are too many strange things about this whole thing to make a conclusion one way or the other. I need to see something definitive, especially a release of something truly damaging to the Western Elite before I believe in WL being legit.
If Assagne is cruelly snuffed out then that isn't evidence enough I'm afraid. Intel agents have been offed before by their masters. No, I need something really solid that doesn't push for a war with Iran before I can buy into WL. Something that takes down JPM would be a start.
Interesting change of venue for direct negotiations. Scotland Yard.
Who wants the "insurance" files out? Who wants the files kept secret? The level of uncertaintly is high, but I'd guess China wants the files out, so China would like to see Assange dead, with somebody else taking the consequences, preferrably the US Govt. and Western banks (if there is banking data in the file).
Maybe Assange went to England because it is safer from assassins, not safer from police. As far as I can tell his insurance policy buys him negotiations with the US Govt. and allies, which he is now getting. There are no negotiations with assassins with massive short positions on your life.
Sticky wicket. Bold man, no matter what side(s) of the game he is playing/being-played by.
These are all excellent points. Especially fleeing to London to avoid Chinese assassins. Now that is an intriguing potential angle.
Cheers.
WIKILEAKS FANS...please do the MATH:
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/gordon-duff-why-wikileaks-...
He hates the 9/11 truth movement...
He has no info about the Bush or Obama White House...or the Federal Reserve Bank...or Goldman Sachs (but he is helping take down Bank of America)...
His "leaks" paint Pakistan as a threat and foreign politicians the CIA doesn't like as jerks...
He believes Osama is alive...and probably in Pakistan...
Everything else he "leaks" is stuff we all already knew...
The mainstream media loves him...
The right wingers love to hate him and are using him as a justification to censor the Net...
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a duck...
Another intelligence agency spectacle.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/988.html
All those points are certainly interesting and some of the red flags that keep me from being able to form a certain viewpoint of WL. I keep hoping that something big is leaked and not just as you point out about "bad bank/bag-holder" BAC.
You write great posts by the way TI.