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Assange To Be Indicted Under US Espionage Act
Here it comes, via ABC News:
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man behind the publication of more than a 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables, could soon be facing spying charges in the U.S. related to the Espionage Act, Assange's lawyer said today.
"Our position of course is that we don't believe it applies to Mr. Assange and that in any event he's entitled to First Amendment protection as publisher of Wikileaks and any prosecution under the Espionage Act would in my view be unconstitutional and puts at risk all media organizations in the U.S.," Assange's attorney Jennifer Robinson told ABC News.
Robinson said a U.S. indictment of Assange was imminent.
Justice Department officials declined to comment on the possible coming charges, but earlier this week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the release of the documents had put the United States at risk and said he authorized a criminal investigation into Assange.
"The lives of people who work for the American people has been put at risk; the American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that are, I believe, arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can," Holder said Tuesday. "We have a very serious, active, ongoing investigation that is criminal in nature. I authorized just last week a number of things to be done so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of this and hold people accountable, as they -- as they should be."
Very soon, we expect that every jouranlism degree will come with a free indictment of treason and a sentence of public stoning.
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as they say in kazakhistan:
the world has always been the same - your understanding of things has changed.
congratulations! you passed the class - now, you understand how the world works. the power has always been a pyramide...
+1
quote of the week award
The bank stuff he has must be really dynamite stuff.
Why else do you think Neel is squeeling like a pig.
Another reason they should be released.
"If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't worry about us looking into your files". We've had to listen to this crap for 20 years, but suddenly when it's the other way around, it's not kosher.
Great point. The hypocrites are just getting a taste of the way they treat us and expect us to take it. A little surveillance of them has been in order for a long while.
"surveillance ?"
I was thinking something more along the lines of a modern day Nuremberg trial for all the Financial Terrorists.
+14 trillion. Agreed. You rock. Nailed it.
Ahaaaa.....it is to Washington for me.
A State Visit/Parade w/ Potus and me in the open landau.
Fireworks coming somewhere in the world...maybe it is Washington.
hrh ADF
Ready with confetti, Arch Duke.
......awaiting the encryption key..........
'and ultimately not helpful in any way'. What does that mean? This kind of crap could get much scarier very quickly.
Yeah, makes me wonder about my uselessness to TPTB. Where's my job description as a fascist gov-bankster tool?
DHS--please spell it out!
Sincerely,
Bob
How exactly is leaking something that is given to you by an insider "spying"?
When you get into the leaking game, you carry a lot of risk. Just that simple. If Assange expected to be safe after this, he's learned a lesson. Too late now though.
Martyr to a cause. Unlike all the islamics whose families we've slaughtered in the ME, however, we'll be hearing from Assange's friends/family in a very public way, me thinks.
Haven't you heard Bob? Brown people don't count when assessing the dead. They hate us for our freedoms and therefore have no right to life.. /sarc off/
JA needs to drop the bomb on BAC immediately if not sooner.
brown people HERE, though, are all that matter to the administration. It's enough to make your head spin.
The difference is profit. If one informs TPTB first then all will be bought and paid off.
It really is about bribes and selective-justuce.
What a farce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axr71LiFayk
But no indictment for Amazon, who's selling the data / access to the data via the Kindle. Even if it's not direct, they offer access to Wikileaks for $0.99. I would think selling this information constitute espionage more than giving it away for free.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11957367
Next to be indicted, anyone who logged on wikileaks or analyzed any info from it
I'm Spartacus!
We used to point our finger at other countries saying they violate civil rights!!!! Everybody is pointing back at us now. We are the assholes of the world.
The rest of the world has been quite aware for a very long time. Perhaps this will be what wakes us up here . . . or at least a larger proportion of us.
"We are the assholes of the world."
More like the adenomatous polyps
'Chimerica' takes on a whole new level of meaning, not that this is new news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hxZ8ze-eY&feature=fvsr
"You have the right to free speech; as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it! Know your rights, these are your rights; all three of 'em!"
Regards
LMAO. the shit is now hitting the fan on this one in Australia as the people rally behind free speech. Does the US really want to put the Prime Minister of Australia's head on the block over bogus charges that can't even be applied to a non US citizen for actions that occured in international territory? Way to piss off won of the US's staunches allies.
Don't think so. The Aussie's don't trust no stinkin' body. (Let's hope)
Good. Keep the pressure on the paper Prime Minister down there Oz, she sure as hell deserves it. Tell them to have some fucking backbone and stand up for a citizen that has, effectively, done nothing wrong and has been betrayed for the honor.
Nah ZH, we all know there are no American journalists left. None of them on TV or in the newspaper will do shit. They're all a bunch of retards. Woodward and Bernstein? The best journalists under 50 couldn't sniff their jockstraps. Hell at this point tell them what those people did and they'd probably agree they should be in prison. How far down we have come. Journalism degree TODAY= propaganda degree. They ALL suck, every last one of them.
Just remember the kangaroo court you're about to witness, which seems to be the new normal regarding court decisions.
Eric 'I only go after foreigners for leaking info on crimes...not actually prosecute them' Holder
Hey Eric? Wouldn't this be looking backwards? If we can't look backwards for Bush, why Assange?
Hey Eric 'needs a big burly man for his penis to' Holder
Weren't you going to be the administration that opened everything up and put it on the computer for all of us to see how transparent you were?
But that's what you get from Eric 'dullard fascist anti-science because I'm a fucking retard' Holder.
This guy isn't even worth the laugh at the molestache he runs around with.
Now the world knows we're nothing more than a country with a historical shadow casting a different light on our fascist corporate ass. Free speech, hah that was so 1776. There's no place for it in the British Fascist Corporate States of Amerika.
Vote for Repubs or the tea party, and what I described above, will only get worse, faster.
True dat so sad. It's over go play with your I-trinket.
And there's no third party, no alternative to vote. We have this bi-party system that has two sides of the corrupt coin.
Eric 'piece of shit, suck my balls you hypocritical asshole, may you cook in hell with all of the 111th congress (Ron Paul aside), fuck you' Holder
Man, that was a good read.
"Vote for ... the tea party, and what I described above, will only get worse, faster"
+1
It's just another bunch of opportunist, political whores. Their only principle is statism. Even by doing what they promised to the voters, they will betray the country their first day in office. And when they are bribed to do different things, it will get worse.
This has started a major global backlash against globalism and banksterism. The battle lines are getting clearly defined. WikiLeaks is one of the Good Guys. Global Financial Banksters and their supporting cast of Washington Poodles (and London and elsewhere) are the Bad Guys.
That's what they want you to think. Unfortunately, the people behind the curtains (cough cough, Rothchilds et al), control both sides, that's the way they guarantee they always win.
The world is a stage, and this is theater.
DWT!
That's what they want you to think. Unfortunately, the people behind the curtains (cough cough, Rothchilds et al), control both sides, that's the way they guarantee they always win.
That's what they want you to think.
Wikileaks is nothing more than CIA. They have one thing in mind...a reason to censor the Internet. It's all too convenient. And those to dumb to see through it will allow it too happen. Then there will be no way to get the truth out.
Agreed. If they allow the Internet to continue to grow and inform in it's current incarnation, they will lose control of the game.
Flagged as junk? One of the truest posts here this eve. The masses were easily herded when they had only paper media trails to follow. This changed with the advent of internet with the curious population becoming a bit more educated; the curious able to see their government in a worldly perspective. Questions were asked; truths became transpaprent; the government became uncomfortable, angry and then scared crapless. The terrorist boogeyman was created to try and rein us in; make us again easy to herd. Now for the next step: control over the internet in the name of the same theme: terrorism. The right and left wing media have jumped on the bandwagon proclaiming the wikileaks as treason; citizens are in danger; prosecute, prosecute. Watch closely in the coming months. China will not be the only country limiting internet access to its citizens. All in the name of terrorism. When will the American and interntional public realize the terrorism threat is nothing more than a set of wire hobbles built by the government and placed on the ankles of its citizens?
Don't forget that fascist Nazi Leiberman and his homeland insecurity crotch scans for the "anyone but rich."
who writes these terrible scripts......this is a set up of the american people and their constitution, PURE AND SIMPLE - and eric holder, along with obama and clinton and pelosi etc are in on it........ i wonder what kind of PATRIOT ACT follow up they have in place for this...........ERIC a hint - start with prosecuting jaimie (girls name) diamon, and lloyd (also a girls name) blankfien!!!! you will be more believable then when you go after assange...
aes256
America is lost. A nation of cowards and idiots ruled by tyrants disguised as capitalists pontificating about freedoms which we long ago allowed ourselves to be striped of.
We are fast becoming what every Communist regime in history aspired to be. A completely controlled docile society too afraid to stand up to government.
A nation of cowards? Holder agrees with you.
America is "a nation of cowards" when discussing race. That sentiment from the country's first African-American attorney general, Eric Holder, has stirred up pundits, bloggers and readers.
"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been and we -- I believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards," Holder told Department of Justice employees at an event Wednesday celebrating Black History Month.
he's right. All the other ethnic groups should call the blacks out over their violent crime, illegitimate birth rate, and allergy to education. To not do so is cowardly.
Oh, but wait, he probably didn't mean that...he meant we are cowards for not passing reparations or something?
African American ethnicity is not the problem faced by black Americans, it is at the heart of the scam being used against them. The Democrats keep blacks in thrall by preaching that ethnic minorities can't get along without subsidies which only the benevolent Democrats can provide. It is the long term, successful promotion of this lie which has ravaged the black community. That of course conveniently makes the blacks even more dependant on government hand outs. When the Democrats stop playing Grima Wormtounge to black folks they will regain the self confidence to revive their communities.
Alien-IQ,
Out of curiousity, how many bankers or politicians have you personally blown up, machine guned or hung? How many armed mobs have you lead that out-manuevered and defeated riot police to get to a lobbyest?
Oh, none? You don't want to be the first guy to stand up and get shot? Is that for some dedicated but stupid NASCAR fan to do so that you can get behind?
Boomers and Gen-Xers are too self absorbed to ever do anything for a greater cause. Either wait for the facebooking teeny-boppers to grow up a bit and hope their generation can pull together a revolution or go start your own or STFU.
+11111111111
hypocrite psychopath government.
garbage in = garbage out.
expect more of the same.
time to abandon ship.
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man behind the publication of more than a 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables
please do the math again--------------->>>>>
http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/7525-does-wikileaks-add-up.html
If the US moves against him the backlash will be enormous from both the inside and outside. It just seems like such a bad idea... maybe they'll time it with some other events in an effort to suppress dissent.
You don't get out much into the local pubs do you Vagabond? The simple folk think Assange is a criminal putting American lives in danger. Whatever poster referenced Rothchild is likely correct, misinformation and theatre ahead of major events that influence the market is their specialty.
What a bunch of bullshit.
Gut-wrenchingly sickening is what it is.
... said George Washington in 1770 as British troops occupied the homes of British colonists against their will.
That's how it starts. It starts when you know and acknowledge that it is wrong.
Just when you thought the US Super Power couldn't make any more enemies it chases some nerd half way around the world because he embarassed them.
Reading around the net would not be a pleasant experience for Americans at the moment.
And now wait for the inevitable don't buy American campaign that will start next.
Will be an entertaining show at least.
Does treason carry the death penalty in the US? If so, will extradition be allowed from Britain? Not possible in the past.
Regards.
The US will just assure the UK they won't apply the death penalty.
Then the UK will extradite him. We do whatever Uncle Sam requests.
Assange is not a US citizen and so cannot commit treason against American sovereign interests.
This is going to brew the Biggest Shitstorm in history.
Many Senators and Reps were defending him.
Rutt Row !
Think about what he has and what he is about to release "electronically" !
Prepare peasants Prepare !
Every thing I read in Australia indicates people are livid and also with their lap dog Prime Minister. Their are complaints from one her own party's factions about her lap dog performance.
Agreed. I see the same thing down there. Jump on any blog (SMH, TheWest etc.) and people are pissed. It is David Hicks all over again, and people are starting to say "Hey, what if that was my son, daughter, brother, sister, neighbour etc."
Don't take it, give that red-head hell.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
It will be interesting to see what happens. Will an extradition to the US, and a showcase trial (that can only be as bad as the worst displays of Soviet Stalinist [hypocrisy] justice) cause Gen X & Y to take to the streets in protest? Will self organized wolf packs of hackers and geeks increase global DDS attacks against corporate and govt. internet sites?
Assange MAY end up being sentenced in Sweden...(4 years i think are the max punishment for his "rape")
Assange would be Amerika's 1st MAJOR political show trial...
Assange is a white dude....
i just don't see him getting smacked around here...
too much self damage to Amerikan global reputation...
Assange's "punishment" (& warning to others) will be more subtle imho.
They WILL Hassle the Hoff...They won't Off the Hoff
Problem is this with this batch of leaks all of them are being first redacted and publish by main stream media newspapers.
So NYT and The Guardian will be all locked up soon.
Does the US not realise that Assange is nothing in the grand scheme of things? Wikileaks will continue without him. The US is powerless to stop it.
If they should execute anyone for treason it should be the US personnel who were entrusted with security clearances and released the data.
The newspapers releasing the information are just as guilty as Assange. If anything happens to Assange then I would fully expect the same penalty to be taken against editors of many major news corporations.
"If they should execute anyone for treason it should be the US personnel who were entrusted with security clearances and released the data."
You are absolutely right. One test I give to wet-behind the ears executive recruits concerns confidential information, and after telling them so, I hand them the "confidential" document. If they look at it they fail (and they all do), and I can address trust and duty to contain.
The responsibility is ALWAYS on the individual entrusted with protecting it - especially NOT looking at it (an impulse that is only controlled by conditioning)...
Poor choice of words GB. There is no guilt. Assange did nothing for which to be guilty. Nor did the NYT. Other than the volumn of materials released what is unique about this data? What if just one item had been released...say Hillary calling someone a blasphemous name...would all this ruckus exist? I think not. This event is perfecty timed and allows the government one excuse to begin the steps toward internet censorship.
Is it too late to indict the NYT for espionage for publishing the Pentagon Papers?
Statute of limitations?
Of course the state will not close a state organ of propaganda no matter what.
Will every TV, radio and newspapers who reported any details of the leaked cables be indicted too?
One can only hope.
Bring on the POISON PILL!
remember when Bob Novak outed Valerie Plame, this should be just as good as that, entertainment wise. Of course Plame was a CIA agent, and all these leaks have been diplomatic, but that was government against government, hard to make the case here, that someone wanted to out Hillary Clinton, but she is female, she is blonde, and her husband has probably rubbed the current administration the wrong way. hmmm
Hillary Clinton says "A free press is essential to an empowered citizenry, government accountability and responsible economic development. Wherever independent media are under threat, accountable governance and human freedom are undermined."
At least that's what she thought way back in May on World Press Freedom Day.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/05/141395.htm
IMHO, well worth the quick read.
TYLER...u have missed today's BIGGEST NEWS...... heres how a CONTROLLED AGENT BEHAVES.........
Rep. Ron Paul Says He Won't Push for End to Fed `Up Front'
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-10/ron-paul-says-he-won-t-push-for-end-to-fed-up-front-as-house-panel-head.html
as written by Deninnger today...RON PAUL is out of excuses.......http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=174523
why does he say that he wont END THE FED........
Dr. Paul has said in the past that it would take some time to phase out the Fed, it can't be done overnight.
This means nothing, have you lost sight of practicality? Remember, our idealism still has to deal with the tempering effects of reality.
Maybe because he doesn't have the power to snap his fingers and End the Fed?
Hopefully RP made the statement as a truce sign to his GOP buddies so they would not barr his appointment as Fed Oversight Czar. Now if only he does not sell out. ahhh...this could be a great story line to watch unfold. Script writers take heed.
Ron Paul is one of the few good guys. Have some faith and give him some support.
The gloves are off. The jackboots are on. Fight for your rights or roll over and play dead. Your choice.
Absolutely 100% right on. It's boiling down to fight or flight...and given the nature of my fellow Americans...I'm leaning towards flight for the fight may be a lonely and painful experience.
America is DONE. The victim of an apathetic dumbed down citizenry.
It got what it deserved.
The bad news is, imo, that there is clearly no place to safely fly to.
That's really dependent what your expectations are. If you're looking to move to another big city in a big country, yes your options are limited (to say the least). But if you are willing to go a different direction, it opens up a world of possibilities.
Sometimes change is not only a good thing...it is essential.
"You can't escape the New World Order". You see that's what the WORLD part in NWO means. They want the whole enchilada on lockdown. Nowhere to run and fairly soon, nowhere to hide. Scary times, many variables. The NWO are not omnipotent, but they really understand planning and control especially the Hegellian dialectic to control outcomes. They are not omnipotent, they are not omniscient and they are few, very, very few.
Best of 2010 - Statica & Heatbeat: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F79EBE9FB77C107C
leaked for your pleasure :D
Hillary said: "...people's lives in danger, threatens our national security and undermines our efforts to work with other countries to solve shared problems.”
Well, if that is the case, you dumb, incompetent broad, why did you store them on a DOD net to which over more than a million people had some sort of access?
(No wonder Monica looked good.)
ignorance may define Hitlery but stupid defines you.
This was yet another overreation to the 9/11 crying and wailing and was said to push info down to street level so as to enhance our ability to catch the evil ones.
Of course the stupid(like yourself it seems) forgot to recall that we had more than enough INFO to stop the 9/11 crying and wailing before it started we just were too stupid to use it.
Now the info is pushed out to the street level to enable real time slaughter without thought.
sounds good to me. maybe the real time info will be coming to a block near you one day.
ah, 911...the excuse for everything.
I had arguments with anti-government types and 911 was what it took for them to succumb and swallow the line. They abandoned all skepticism.
Said that 911 could not have been prevented. Well, shit, it sure could have by locking the cockpit doors! But when you point this out, the cognitive dissonance is so bad, their desire to go batshit bunker mentality so great, that they just repeat what they said again.
911 was also a huge intelligence failure due to bureaucracy, not lack of info. 911 had precursor attempts, one in Paris just a couple of years earlier, same MO - muslims in a plane, intending to fly it into a landmark. The El Al guy was on Matthews on 9/13 saying we lock our doors and the pilots will not come out, ever, no matter what. And he was forced to repeat this simple statement in response to "but what if they are cutting up the flight attendants?"
911 did not need to happen and should have been easily prevented and the answer was not and is not TSA groping kids or porno Xrays.
the second plane, was not a commercial airliner, (no windows), and it was the wrong color, (blue and grey)
And that comment is based on what evidence exactly?
We are already an increasingly open fascist state, the MSM is totally complicate as they have been in all such cases throughout history--as fascism rewards the complicit, more with the carrot than the stick. As Neil Postman wrote in his 1985 book "Amusing Ourselves to Death" we have entered a fascism more akin to that envisioned by Huxley in Brave New Worlds--a soma induced coma of complacent, lobotomized spoon fed celebrity entertainment--rather than the boot of the hard fascism of Orwell--but perhaps we will migrate more towards the boot now that the power elite knows we are all sheeple. Bring back the vibrant, indignant and constitutionally aware culture of the 60's--but alas, it is likely too late. We have become a criminal culture and apathy runs through our nation’s veins like the ignorance that fills our brains like cotton candy. I do hold out some hope, but the when the match is finally sparked aflame the revolution will not be televised--we are in the eye of a great storm, the tremors of the tectonic shifts ahead of us have only been felt, the earthquake when it comes will be far more destructive than anything we have seen to date--we can only hope that Jefferson was right and that revolutions would be necessary from time to time in order to reaffirm the words that defined the rights and freedoms that our Constitution so eloquently tried to protect, but that we have been rapidly, overtly trampling upon.
people really must have misread BNW or else they Cliffs'd it off of the internet. The notion of "self-determination" in an epsilon or delta is utterly absurd. This was all explained in ch 17, and the friction in the plot was not between freedom and fascism, but between sacrifice and self-gratification.
People strongly need to read that work and understand the counterpoints therein. The epsilons no more wanted to be alphas than the converse. Everyone was happy in their particular role.
"Over the weekend, an insightful article by Zen Gardner exposed how WikiLeaks resembles an establishment creation. The article correctly pointed out that the WikiLeaks storyline was conforming nicely to the elite's problem-reaction-solution method, with the solution of more tyranny for our safety.
WikiLeaks is being used to bring in the agenda on so many levels, but most importantly by setting the precedent of shutting down websites for politically "dangerous" content. Gardner writes:
WikiLeaks is being used to bring in the agenda on so many levels, but most importantly by setting the precedent of shutting down websites for politically "dangerous" content.
That quote could be deemed "politically dangerous content." You posted it to the Internet. Judging by your own criteria you must be a government plant who intends to bring down Internet freedom.
The 'hackers' have a new plan...
they are going to start searching through cables for juicey stuff and post snippets
http://www.geekosystem.com/operation-leakspin/
NOW if they are smart and have access to it they should start posting stuff about the banks.
now we can blame the internet for crashing the banks, instead of insolvency, and corruption
Right. No one should ever talk about banks on the Internet.
Why does a government need to keep secrets or resort to these tactics if it is a true democracy? I thought it was all about "of the people, by the people and for the people". I guess the whopper eating, lazy fools like to see a spectacle and will be given one, like the romans did with their gladiators.
I guess...anything to get the masses distracted in the guise of a narrow interpretation of patriotism, where as, the banking cartels and complacent regulators who ran this country down roam free.
Your copy of the Gettysburg address doesn't have an asterisk (*) in it footnoting "of the people, by the people and for the people*"
* People with money, or incorporation
It was added after Lincoln was shot, by those whom colluded to murder him.
Freedom of Speech applies, only as long as your speech isnt deemed by the bankster-crroupted oligarchy to be "arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful".
Therefore 'arrogance, misguidedness and being unhelpful' are now criminal offences.
Be sure to hold open that door for your local bankster, or your 'arrogant unhelpfulness' could land you behind bars.
'Yessim! Iz Sawwy Suh. I dont be eyeballin you no maw suh! Iz be likkin yo boot rawt now suh! Just like demm utha good boys at thu CFTC and thu Justice Depatmunt suh!'
Are all news organizations that published the leaked documents going to be charged with espionage as well? They are guilty of the same exact thing Assange is being charged for.
Rhetorical question, the obvious answer is no.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the release of the documents had put the United States at risk and said he authorized a criminal investigation into Assange.
What about all the people that published them? If these documents threaten the United States then maybe you should include the media that published them in the Witch hunt.... They were the ones that profited from people reading them, so they are equally responsible.
Logic and congruency have no place within the state; otherwise the state would not exist.
he published stolen, classified, confidential, national security files. How can any non-anarchist argue that isn't a criminal offense?
Maybe this question would be best answered by the founding fathers who created the first amendment to protect citizens from being prosecuted for such actions. Thanks for teaching me that the founding fathers are "anarchist."
Maybe this question would be best answered by the founding fathers who created the first amendment to protect citizens from being prosecuted for such actions. Thanks for teaching me that the founding fathers are "anarchist."
the value of a thing falls as more of it is created.
when the bathroom break schedule is classified then it's leaking really can't be a crime.
Your gvt actions are only hidden to keep YOU in the dark.
The horrible anti-freedom murderous actions that are done IN YOUR NAME are not a secret to those not under the protection of your nanny state president and his amoral henchmen,the leaking may be criminal under this corrupt gvt but that doesn't make it wrong.
+1
You are absolutely correct. The government really has no choice but to bring this dude down. Put yourself in the govs shoes for one second. What if WL were funded by say, Russia, or China? It would be a pretty clever way of spying. At the end of the day, it is obvious that WL is helping to reveal secrets to the "enemy", There is no way that anyone can credibly say that he is not, in effect, spying for foreign powers.
That said, I think the old model of nation states and hiding things from the people who supposedly own the government is busted and should be taken out to the wood shed. There is absolutely no reason that we could not have direct, real time, fully informed democracy right now.
No reason other than the fact that we are slaves.
At the end of the day, it is obvious that WL is helping to reveal secrets to the "enemy"
"The enemy" being us, the populace, of course.
Absolutely NOT correct.
First, this not happen in America. What jurisdiction do we have?
Second, this "dude" is not an American. What are the charges?
Treason? That's a crime that undermines the offender's government..... but the U.S. is not his government.
Spying? For whom? Against whom? What evidence is there that he is working for some foreign government? All I have learned informs me that he was just the recipient of information "classified" as secret by the American government. So, what does that mean to a non-American? How is he bound by American law? Are Americans bound by Chinese law? Polish law? How about Uganda law?
It seems to me that he simly published some documents, same as other web sites, magazines, newspapers, etc. have done.
U.S. AG Holder and a lot of loudmouth commentators & politicians are blowing hot air and throwing red meat to the masses. I am not an International lawyer, but maybe comeone can comment on exactly what we could charge him with that would possibly justify Sweden turning him over to us?
he published stolen, classified, confidential, national security files. How can any non-anarchist argue that isn't a criminal offense?
See:Ron Paul on WikiLeaks
CrockettAlmanac thank you so much for that link. I didn't even know it existed. Dr. Paul sums it up pretty well in this clip if you ask me.
I have been through the thread and read all the back and forth about whether or not this is a psy op, excuse for censoring the internet, all backed by banksters and elites, etc. The answer to all that is "I don't know" and I probably never will know for certain. So, let us focus on what we do know....
1) We do know Julian Assange is not a US citizen and does not live in the US so frankly how can the US have any jurisdiction or authority over him? The concept of labeling a foreign citizen a spy and then using that as justification to extradite them to the complaing country for espionage is just absurd. What will the Chinese next begin pinching US citizens as they travel around the world? Hey, maybe they think all Googlers are spies and should be picked up while on holiday in another country and tried for espionage in China? If this precedent takes hold then nobody in the Middle East better leave their respective countries....Muslim, Jew and Christian alike.
2) We do know that we have a first amendment and that it should be upheld. That means no censoring of Wikileaks, any others in the press, or the internet. Gosh I shouldn't even have to explain why this is so important. In a nutshell, burning books is the fastest route to tyranny.
3) Anyone who distracts you by shooting the messenger is typically a criminal, an accomplice to criminal activity, or has a vested interest in such activities. If you want to identify who the real criminals are, then look for the ones who shoot the messenger while diverting attention away from the crimes themselves.
4) Anyone who encourages you to give up your rights or to compromise even just a little bit for the sake of increased security is a criminal, an accomplice to criminal activity, or has a vested interest in such activities.
Those are some good litmus tests and I would welcome other ideas.
Remember also that diplomatic immunity is recognized virtually worldwide. I struggle with the concept that our diplomats could be harmed. Expelled and deported, maybe. Harmed, doubtful. I went to the Spy Museum in DC and they point out that DC has the highest concentration of "spies" in the world. How come the city isn't on lockdown?
Cheers and may Heaven help us all.
CrockettAlmanac thank you so much for that link.
You're welcome.
When truth is treason...
This "puts at risk all media organizations in the U.S."? Why won't his lawyer tell it like it is - it only puts at risk those media organizations that are willing to expose the truth. The MSM is in no danger, unless you count the populist backlash that will (hopefully) result from being the propaganda arm of the government.
Never mess with State. That is the elite's private playground.
Fuck mate, you don't how much hate this is going to generate against the US around the world.
Get ready for people to stop buying American anything.
yeah - someone above alluded to that. Hillary thinks she has a "problem" now.....ha. Hope it blows up in their faces, the shit-for-brains assholes.
We make things?
FRNs by the boatload.
If I were him, I'd insist on a jury trail, NO Judge only Trail.
How many trails does a man have to walk...tra-laa laa...
....and you just ought to see the jury at Gitmo! (sarcasm)
Remember the movie Sixth Sense? Maybe WB7 could produce a clip that says "I See Jurists"
If, in fact, "a free nation derives its' power to govern from the consent of the governed", then government has NO right to secrecy, for the governed need to be informed in order to consent. It is time to revise "our" government in accordance with this and severly restrict secrecy.
Also, in accordance with this, government has no more rights than citizens have if acting for themselves, as citizens are unable to delegate rights to government that they do not have. Thus any citizen should be able to bring charges against any government person for violating any constitutional law, and especially for violation their oath to defend and uphold the Constitution.
Yes, i do know where we are, but we need a change, beginning with a return to running government within the Constitution would be a good start.
If, in fact, "a free nation derives its' power to govern from the consent of the governed", then government has NO right to secrecy, for the governed need to be informed in order to consent.
Good point.
This is like watching the Polish Calvary charge on a Panzer division.
What's the over/under on how long it will take them to figure out that Assange≠Wikileaks?
Will they figure it out before or after they realize that Osama≠Al Qaeda?
Nothing in that made a bit of sense.
Yeah, sure it did.
OK the panzers and Polish thing was a bit obscure...
But the rest is simply saying that taking out Assange or Bin Laden won't stop either WL or AQ. ...time to get a grip on reality.
True enough.
This thing about BAC makes no sense. All of these documents that were provided to Assange came from a military source. I have only read what has been provided by media sources. All I have read is about US diplomatic cables and communication between military personnel and leaders of war torn countries.
Why would the military have any documentation about a private bank stored on a data base? The blogging nation has taken the bait and run with it. There is no documentation about to be released on any bank, much less BAC. A month ago someone suggested that it was BAC, now on this site, it is fact that it is BAC.
The only reason TD would need to watch his back is if he has a girlfriend.
Had the material been given to NYT or Fox, they would have done the same thing Wikileaks did; distribute the material for the sole sake of making money.
The US can do nothing to Assange. He did not commit a crime. He was given material that was important to the people of the US and he delivered it. He just did not deliver it by way of some bimbo who has dyed her hair blond so that no one can tell that, at the age of 40 years, she has grey streaks running through her brown hair.
You mean her silky brown hair
....and the undergarments? For goodness sakes tell us about the undergarments!
The BAC files were claimed to be gotten from a BAC Executive's laptop... how I dunno, but I never heard they were obtained from the military.
If U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ever shows his face in Australia he probably leave without it.
OK Australia kick out the US embassy.
Probably time for Australia to start aligning itself more closely with Asia/China and Europe and leave the US out of it.
We wish our government was on our side but alas it is not. They appear to be totally subservient to the US political machine. Don't make the mistake of assuming our average Joe is not as apathetic, stupid and brainwashed as your's are. At least you still have your guns... appears to be the only thing holding back the tidal wave of overt oppression.
I think Kina is an Aussie.
This will be real test for the Independents. Will they stand by Labor if this continues? We will we go back to the polling booths soon?
Everybodys attention is now diverted from the economic crisis to Wikileaks. Now with its credibility at its zenith what happens if they submit documents showing honest bankers ?
Now with its credibility at its zenith what happens if they submit documents showing honest bankers ?
Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, honest bankers...right.
They will throw in one honest banker just to be sporting. But she will be retired.
El Pais has been very sharply
reporting on these cables
as they come out, one of them
exposing how the U.S pressures
got the Spaniards to 'close'
the loophole in their law, which allowed
the Pinochet trial, in order to avoid possible
persecution of the Bush-Cheney
crowd.
Julian Assange extradition attempts an uphill stuggle, says
specialist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/julian-assange-extradition-a...
So...is someone going to indict the US government for lying to its public about false intelligence, monopolizing the news media and hiding the truth?
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2010/12/10/lies-and-the-american-dream/
Tyler,
It would be a good idea for you to maintain your low public profile. We can't have a great site like this become the target of The Machine...
Keep up the great work!
This fucking Cold War response is far more threatening to our safety as Americans than these "Leaks"
"The lives of people who work for the American people has been put at risk; the American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that are"
What does this A hole Holder think about the dirty police wars we have been waging, and pissing off an entire globe, is that putting us at risk Jackass? Maybe it is US that are putting these people at risk.
"I believe, arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way."
Again, Hypocrisy rules. Wow Holder, you have just described yourself and our role in Iraq and Afghanistan, Arrogant and misguided.
"We are doing everything that we can," Holder said Tuesday.
No shit Holder, you have the death Machine really churning right now.
"We have a very serious, active, ongoing investigation that is criminal in nature. I authorized just last week a number of things to be done so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of this and hold people accountable, as they -- as they should be."
Unbelievable. There is nothing more dispicable then hearing this Gov't (Both Sides) talk about criminal investigations.
Yep, How to Win Friends and Influence People, good job guys. Might as well just turn in my passport now, no reason to think I can freely travel the world without being targeted, harrassed, or hated by just about every country in the world, thanks Big Brother!
Well said.
So is Assange's "espionage" going to cost the US $700 billion? Doesn't seem so.
What the bankers did cost the taxpayer that much up front, and trillions since (including interest foregone due to ZIRP), and seems to be fraught with criminality, yet Holder hasn't indicted anyone almost two years into his reign as AG. He hasn't even hinted that he is investigating anything. Two weeks into the Big Leak, Assange's head is already on the chopping block.
I admit that initially I was not fond of what Assange was doing, believing that diplomacy requires some discretion and privacy in order for it to be effective. I have abandoned that view and now see this for what it is: the front line in the fight for the kind of freedom promised in the Bill of Rights. This is the last straw of a drift---or tidal wave---toward a facistocracy that is America and the world today. Up to now I thought the PTB would survive the financial crisis they brought about and continue their reign at the top of the food chain, with the serfs continuing to know their place. While not directly related, the railroading of Assange might well prove to be the tactical error that brings about the collapse of the current power structure. One never knows what spark will start the fire, but I think, and hope, this is it.
What is Chumbawamba's avatar again?
Kudos, chindit13. It was disappointing to see the position taken initially by one of the smartest guys around. Your continuing thoughts about this shit much appreciated.