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Assange To Be Indicted Under US Espionage Act
Here it comes, via ABC News:
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man behind the publication of more than a 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables, could soon be facing spying charges in the U.S. related to the Espionage Act, Assange's lawyer said today.
"Our position of course is that we don't believe it applies to Mr. Assange and that in any event he's entitled to First Amendment protection as publisher of Wikileaks and any prosecution under the Espionage Act would in my view be unconstitutional and puts at risk all media organizations in the U.S.," Assange's attorney Jennifer Robinson told ABC News.
Robinson said a U.S. indictment of Assange was imminent.
Justice Department officials declined to comment on the possible coming charges, but earlier this week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the release of the documents had put the United States at risk and said he authorized a criminal investigation into Assange.
"The lives of people who work for the American people has been put at risk; the American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that are, I believe, arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can," Holder said Tuesday. "We have a very serious, active, ongoing investigation that is criminal in nature. I authorized just last week a number of things to be done so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of this and hold people accountable, as they -- as they should be."
Very soon, we expect that every jouranlism degree will come with a free indictment of treason and a sentence of public stoning.
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Critical thinking; Chindit's not afraid to use it!
Heartening indeed.
Critical thinking...I try to be a regular user; I merely differ with many on this site in what constitutes such.
Regarding the Assange Affair, I do not know what riles me most, but it might well be seeing the speed with which the PTB have mobilized forces against him. This is in such stark constrast to the manner in which they have not pursued the crimes that nearly brought, and may yet still bring the entire system down.
I happen to reside in a state where little or no freedom is allowed and where the authorities have unlimited power to do what they wish with any citizen. In this land the PTB have also gamed the system so that they and their cronies can accumulate the lion's share of the nation's wealth, literally leaving crumbs for the masses. It is an abyssmal way to "govern", being little more than a criminal gang, and it affords the populace little in the way of dignity, much less the necessities of life.
While the US is nowhere near this same level of oppression/corruption, the gap is narrowing at an astonishing pace.
Wealth is being accumulated by the few at the expense of the many. Rights are being taken, supposedly in the interest of security, but appearing more and more as if security is a tertiary goal well behind the ongoing goals of wealth aggregation and maintainance of the existing power structure.
"We are not going to let them, the terrorists, change our way of life". So said George Bush in September 2001. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not remember that in July of 2001 parents were required to let government workers grope and fondle their children in full public view.
That is not the only thing that has changed. For lack of a better term, paternalism is on the rise. The government knows more than the masses on what groping need be permitted "in the interest of security". The government knows more than the masses what the intended limits of free speech and habeas corpus are, or were intended to be by the founders of the United States. The government knows more than the masses what contributions the masses must make to save the system from the damage wrought on it by the financial community. The government knows more than the masses what crimes have to be immediately prosecuted, and what ones must be ignored lest such investigation and prosecution put additional strain on the delicate and wounded financial system of the country.
And we are expected to just sit back and let our betters do what they please, "for our own good".
We are supposed to forget what freedom is and what democracy means, and ignore the contributions and sacrifices made by fellow citizens over the last 236 years to defend those ideals.
We do not forget, neither what those ideals mean nor the price we must pay to defend them.
Years ago, before my real career got started, I took an oath. That oath committed me to defending my country "against all enemies both foreign and domestic". I've defended against the foreign ones. I will defend against the domestic ones, too, and Julian Assange, for a variety of reasons, is not one of them.
"I happen to reside in a state where little or no freedom is allowed and where the authorities have unlimited power to do what they wish with any citizen. In this land the PTB have also gamed the system so that they and their cronies can accumulate the lion's share of the nation's wealth, literally leaving crumbs for the masses. It is an abyssmal way to "govern", being little more than a criminal gang, and it affords the populace little in the way of dignity, much less the necessities of life."
Chindit 13, is that California, Massachusetts, Illinois or New York? Please clarify.
And on this point: "Years ago, before my real career got started, I took an oath. That oath committed me to defending my country "against all enemies both foreign and domestic". I've defended against the foreign ones."
Well all I can say about that is that I guess we won't be seeing YOU back in the US again anytime soon! Especially if you are military.....looks like you've got another tour coming up in the perpetual war world theater. If you're not presently working with the military, I bet you'll have another "important" assignment somewhere outside the US.
All I can say is, good luck to you and thank you for your thought-provoking and insightful posts (no sarcasm on this sentence).
Burma (though I'm out of country for the moment). Adventure junkie.
Private sector for a long time. Retired WS trader turned hopeless romantic.
A very logical argument.
Hear hear.
im still thinking in 5-10 years (maybe sooner at this rate) people discussing ideas that criticize our country on sites on forums like this one will be rounded up and imprisoned for being intellectual terrorists of the state.
and this country has the gaul to called china repressive? its laughable.
if you don't think it could happen, turn the clock back 15 years and ask yourself if you think they would put someone in prison on trumped up charges publicly like they've done with this dude.
im still in aw at the rate in which its progressing
Try to get a top bunk at the FEMA camp, and try to reserve another top bunk for a fellow ZH. Also, a welcoming committe with an extra days rations for ZH members would be nice given that each new arrival would have just had one heck of a trip. If you can, please lobby the warden for marital quarters so that I might have the chance of ever seeing my wife again.
Thanks!
Everyone knows the Espionage Act won't work in this case - and all others. Never fear. Congress will "update" the law next year to not just prosecute journalists, but further embed them into the folds of propaganda. So called reporters for MSM will henceforth be required by their employers to disclose their sources in all cases not just "national-corporate security interests." Reporters will never get subpoenaed. Their corporate masters will just fire them before they ever write a decent story, or pass the info to the government - just like what the telecoms corps did with emails, text and your phone calls. There will be an employment contract that forces "reporters" to tell their boss everything without any need to publicly destroy "journalistic integrity." Considering how much the MSM played the last Iraq War is it any surprise what will come next.
I don't even watch the "news" anymore.
Read "Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press"
The administration has to (gutlessly) charge, otherwise they will catch holy hell from all the patriots in congress and elsewhere.
Forget that these people aren't all that patriotic about individual rights, civil liberties and press freedom.
For some reason it is in the name of the common good that the government goes after people's secrets. But it is treason when the people go after the government's. Nifty.
They are simply using Assange to pass legislation to control the internet..This will be their opportunity to show America that our National Security is at risk. He was totally set up for their own gains. More laws will be passed to protect America from people like Assange. Now that they have everybody holding a pocket computer thanks to Steve Jobs and Foxconn it will be easy to track and see what everybody is doing. They know where you are via gps, they can get at all your info and now they will be able to censor you with that info. The next step to controlling and keeping track of their sheeple when the economy totally collapses and a revolution begins.
Yeah, the old red herring of "chipping" people's bodies really is passe.
When that time comes, people will voluntarily swallow that shit and even protect it like its part of them!
Know it.
It would be needlessly redundant and attention-getting. Everything necessary to perform those functions is already in place.
This is important to recognize.
Good, If they're going to censor the internet - let the cockroaches have to come out into the light to do it.
It's going to be very difficult to ensure the kind of choke-hold they'd need without it being completely obvious and really pissing anyone off who actually uses the internet as a means to exchange ideas.
Pardon the expression but "They" don't give a rat's ass if we ever exchange ideas.
They want the little buggers (you and me) to use the internet to:
1. Generate income they can tax (Buy shit online)
2. Download things that pacify us, like porn of all kinds... YouTube, RedTube, Hulu, Take yer pick of a zillion.
3. Make it easier for them to manage us as a population... Not more difficult you pesky bloggers and leakers.
4. Provide an outlet for their message that is more powerful than anything to come before it. That's not for you... You buy shit.
They care not that us Hoi-Polloi are angry.
The prevailing attitude is one of "Let them riot and burn their own neighboorhoods".
Kinda like the LA Riots in 1992. Remember those?
Get Educated:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5348317151834519510#
Gotta agree. Who woulda thought Big Brother's screens would become the best friends we obsessively sit at, actively pour ourselves into, and live our lives through en mass?
When the web approaches its real potential as a tool for democratic exchange of information and organization, TPTB will move to shut it down. The wikileaks drama seems to be pushing that envelop. It remains to be seen how this pivotal conflict will be resolved.
I am with you on the "Make it easier for them to manage us as a population" but think again when you say "The prevailing attitude is one of "Let them riot and burn their own neighboorhoods". No. no. We are the consuming public responsible for 70% GDP. "They" want us to remain entranced by our electronic gadgets, bloated to sedation by readily available foods and pursue the lemming path of spend and do not think.
Ohh... Some of that will "be good" for those who are "riot calling" right now. Or at least that is how they see it.
It will generate jobs and "urban renewal" projects.
Besides, the typical Internet consumer will be at home watching the riots... On the Internet or TV!
ahhh...yes . of course. I'd overlooked the urban renewal projects.
i admit to being a total fucktarded fool about assange....thanks to webster tarpley and george washington i can tie the pieces together....
assange is a cia mk-ultra artichoke just like the murderer of john lennon, john henkley, and sirhan sirhan....he was supplied with these leaks by the cia which as all good cia plans had a two-fold objective....
the first purpose was to justify control of the internet and there is now another law recently passed by the senate to take control of the internet under national security pretenses...
the second purpose was to embarrass enemies or unfriendly states against which the cia has a bitch....
the ultimate purpose is to destroy the 911 truth movement...the cia has expertly infiltrated most so-called and authentic alternative information sources...
jesse ventura's show about the fema camps / fusion centers / and massive casket stock piling was ordered off the air by the government....it will never be broadcast again thanks to the pansies at tbs who own tru-tv.....
the 4th reich is here....america is a nazi state....
the leaks were not fake as far as i know - just calculated and edited in certain ways....the revelation about hillary clinton ordering spying on un officials is interesting....as someone noted, either she is not in charge or someone from cia really controls the state department....it is quite possible that she like her husband in the monica lewinsky sting is being targeted for takedown....in either event, obama is the piece of shit aiding and abetting what his cia lords demand in this case....
this is all very interesting and provides a fascinating apercu into the cia's black ops...
the other interesting leak is the private manning story which shows atrocities committed by american soldiers in iraq....if you want to puke watch the videos at www.collateralmurder.org....
america's military is every bit as brutal as the nazis....
fwiw - assange will be oswalded which is why nazi holder is going after him with a vengeance...
I saw that Ventura show. Not bad. It was interesting to see that "Homeland Security" has, what was it, 70 huge, massively staffed operations centers in full operation that cover the entire US like a web.
I know what those are and they are not what people think.
It's obvious what the intended use for them is. But its not what (most) people fear.
Ironically, it will be the ones who were screaming bloody murder about them who cheer the loudest should they ever be employed.
The key to understanding them was in the show. When describing what type of populations they were designed to hold.
Think about our past history and add it up.
I saw that Ventura show. Not bad. It was interesting to see that "Homeland Security" has, what was it, 70 huge, massively staffed operations centers in full operation that cover the entire US like a web.
i admit to being a total fucktarded fool about assange....thanks to webster tarpley and george washington i can tie the pieces together....
Mimicking the wild cries of madmen makes you sound quite insane yourself.
He was talking about the ZH contributor George Washington. You know that right?
Yes, of course.
Since Holder pointed out the *release*, I'm assuming the other 5 news organizations who released these materials concurrently will be a target of the same investigation.
Espionage Act was the same argument used by US vs. New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case. Supremes gunned it right down. However, we now live in this, the best of all corporate-owned worlds. Interesting to see if the Supremes have any onions. Rhetorical statement, that.
I wonder who they'll pick to be the Lee Harvey Oswald/Jack Ruby strawmen?
They already have their Oswald, the question is who is their Jack Ruby? We'll find out soon enough.
The issue is bringing together unlikely alliances, anti-war and anti-imperialistic factions of the left with government-distrusting portions of the right, all finding strange affinity for the libertarian in the corner with a smug look on his face that says "told ya so."
Hear Hear! Here's your theme song to go with it.
Armageddon Sing-A-Long anyone?
Against Me - Those Anarcho-Punx Are Mysterious
Go ahead: Gloat.
Liberally, even. Yes, it may be ironic (if you buy the labels), but it is divine Providence for us now.
Throw down the labels, folks. There's actual work to be done for the common good.
+100
yes redpill. But what also is interesting is that both sides (MSNBS and FAUX News as an example) also have alignined crying out for prosecution.
Ron Paul's take on this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/10/ron-paul-wikileaks-defense_n_79...
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-10/dutch-teen-suspect-admits-wi...
Man, those B of A docs must have some real dirt in them.
Wow. If this does come to pass, I will never set foot in the United States again.
ha! I made that decision after the last time when they scanned my face and made me feel like a terrorist at the port authority. and that was early 09. I think if I went recently I'd be in jail for punching a TSA slave.
The US government applies democracy only when it suits, shades of China??
How long before the US government, and its lackey governments, put controls on the internet in the name of national security?? Shades of China???
How do we assist to resist the US government curbing our democracy?? Before we are China!!!
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man behind the publication of more than a 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables, could soon be facing spying charges in the U.S. related to the Espionage Act, Assange's lawyer said today.
As Glen Greenwald has pointed out, Wikil has 250k cables, HAS POSTED LIKE 1,000. This is propoganda, Orwell's 1984 is the world we have in 2010!!
1,269 of 251,287 embassy cables released: 0.5% down, 99.5% to go
Woo!
I would think the BofA dump would contain more damning info and revealing causes of the 2008 crash then any Padora study that never would/did happen. AT least with Enron all the records were moved to the twin towers, conveinently destroyed. Gold moved out, and paper records moved in....I think the dump would indicate that BofA was a dumping ground for other Wall St banks, the Lynch/Thain deal make crystal clear.
The gov has there own motive here other than national security. Just what is it?
Time will tell, whatever happens to Assange will shed light on gov true motive with the leaks...
Will he be protrayed as a cyber terrorist and associating with such people....
I am sure he will, any excuse to control the internet!
We have the same problem here in the UK, the political parties are keeping their heads down and not giving any support whatsoever to Wikileaks. Surprise!
You know what has me a little suspicious of the BAC wikileak? Remember back when the financial/WS fiasco was in full swing? BAC was the scapegoat from the start. Their CEO was the sole big bank CEO that was fired....perhaps they are still the scapegoat? If so, Wiki is simply playing with the mobsters in the continued conquest to oust BAC. Just a late eve musing.
Stupid move to piss off the hackers... there isn't anything worth saving as long as it remains under the purview of corporate interests: never mind stuff like prop Chemistry from BASF or 3M, we could shift to several layers of real warfare and it wouldn't be against populist agenda... with the dollar to collapse as reserve it is vital that these capital accumulation organizations be deprived of their influence through any means. It's a line in the sand.
The trick is to keep a backbone remaining functional; is there a distributive solution to making a back-up internet? Can someone make such a box?
Get a BIG SPOOL of optic fiber... and the Sidley, Austin Law Firm to handle your easments... Or a Bad Ass Satellite system... You could try Terrestrial Radio...
How much money do you have?
Wait, you can just lease dark fiber from L3.. I mean the Government errr. L3, yeah...
If I control the entire Stadium and all the facilites how are a group as small as the Water Boys going to hurt me?
I will just CLOSE the STADIUM before they get too big for their britches and then selectivley allow people to re-enter.
Simple. Done Deal. Complete Control has been achived.
Anyone... Go listen to the "A" side of Rush 2112...
"We've taken care of everything the words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one we work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why"
"We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within these walls"
L3, Etc. is your priest.
Their great computers (routers) fill the hallowed halls (data centers).
Alex, Geddy and Niel told us long ago.
Even how it will end...
... "I have not left this cave for days now, it has become my last refuge in my total despair. I have only the music of the waterfall to comfort me now. I can no longer live under the control of the Federation, but there is no other place to go. My last hope is that with my death I may pass into the world of my dream, and know peace at last."
"We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control." -- The Federation
This was released in 1976! Long before tcp/ip was a reality!
It might be time to consider "shorting" freedom for some... Those who would end up in total despair knowing...
Might be a good time to git outta the Ol USA.
If you are overseas and you think you or your company might have a use for a person like me, I'd be happy to communicate further.
Regards,
Thanatos
The Internet didn't used to even have a backbone network.
Worked just fine. It is fundamentally peer-2-peer. Could revert to that quite quickly.
You wouldn't have YouTube anymore, but you don't need YouTube.
Uhhh. Yeah. That was before it was "the Internet" as we know it today.
Like 1995. Everyone was uplinked at 4kbps dialin. Hotrods has a ISDN at 128K.
There were "backbones" then, they just weren't consolidated (collapsed) into centralized architechture because the infrastructure wasn't there to make it possible.
Have fun with your 56k BBS.
You won't pull any bandwidth outside of what is "regulated" in the US.
FCC Baby.
And without Youtube... People would be watching Lavalamps and CNN not banging away on some chatline from the 80s.
I show people IRC (which is alive and well overseas) and they laugh... They never get past that.
Hey maybe ZH should get a registered IRC chan? It's a thought.
Good Luck Bro,
From Another IT Chump.
Assange may only be a patsy but he is a product of M.K. Ultra. This is a CIA op to justify the incremental shutdown of the web. We’re being played. (I can’t say again because it never stops.) The only damaging info to come out will be as per design. Great theater!
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States
If the internet is reduced to an electronic "shopping network," there's going to be a shortwave radio in many people's future...
Thanks. You've just given some advice that is very important. I'm gonna follow up on it.
There has also been some talk about use of available tv broadcast frequencies via local broadcast networks to get news out. Do you by any chance have knowledge about that?
It would be good if somebody who is up on this particular stuff would throw up a toolkit for us to print out before the web goes down (worst case, of course.)
I daresay we all are beginning to legitimately wonder how much longer we'll have access to ZH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
Of course TPTB have all the ELINT and SIGINT watching over you, so only those with cajones of brass will dare to transmit.
You can burst transmissions to reduce the likelhood of intercept.
You can use a directional antenae.
You can keep your power level to the min needed to "reach" your target.
I do not doubt that packet nets are already carrying very special traffic for both gov and civilian purposes.
Layer on some encryption, maybe a Taclane in the tcp chain? You be all good to go.
Get you a nice Inmarsat kit and you can go mobile with pretty good Sat link data rates, but more risk.
Speed is Money, How fast do you want to go?
Just before that, we'll have to come up with a mechanism to lock out the moles and confuse the authorities.
Study what Anon are doing. It's very handy.
We’re being played.
True, but not the way you think. Someone has gotten you to support the agenda of Lieberman, Beck, Palin and Rev. Moon's New World Communications (New World, get it?).
Yep, you've been played.
Can you explain your comments? A link or two perhaps?
Surely you are aware that far right politicians and media have vilified Assange.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of people needing to maintain their mental and emotional equilibrium in hard times. They will accept almost anything that stabilizes their world view. Even treason.
We are not all born to be strong. But those who are, fight.
Not quite true Crocket. I was listening to MSNBS the other night driving and true liberal Mathews followed by Olberman both were villifying Assange. As stated in an earlier post- factions on both sides have joined in anger at Assange's harrassment as well as anger over Assange's supposed traitor behavior.
But that is my point. TPTB have spread the anti-Assange meme from far right to far left. Just like the wars. Remember how all the liberals hated Bush and the wars and with the rise of Obama the wars are now A-OK? Same type of thing.
Crockett –“True, but not the way you think. Someone has gotten you to support the agenda of Lieberman…”
Lieberman? Are you referring to the fascist Senator from Tel Aviv? Didn’t send that nauseating traitor any campaign donations… did you?
Come on, this Wiki-bull is all great CIA mind fucking fun. Cass Sunstein, one of Obama’s Stalinist Zsars was in on the Wikileak scheme at its inception in 2007. Check it out. John Young of Cryptome.org is dialed in and says it’s a scam. Assange was raised in an M.K.Ultra style LSD commune in Australia. Where did the money come from for Assange's traveling and expenses? The whole thing wreaks.
Bigfoot did 9/11.
Thank you for showing your ignorance and publicly acting out your political infancy. I will know in the future to ignore you.
Of course you will. Facile is as facile does.
great post. No idea how right you are but nutritious mind fodder.
Here's an AJ interview with John Young from a couple of days ago. John Young is one of the founders of Cryptome.org and was the guy who originally registered the WikiLeaks domain. What he has to say is well worth listening to. Part 1 of 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTBJAkNyBk&feature=player_embedded#!
Double Post.
Double Post.
Truly a "double post" or a veiled reference to "twin towers?" Look Ma, I'm conspiracy theorizing!
if the key doesn't unlock the 9/11 secrets then it is all theater for further oppression
Assange has no such information. He can't release what he doesn't have. You haven't release such information, either. Does that make you and agent of oppression?
Two thoughts on the key. One is it DOES hold something huge JPM, Goldman, FED, IMF or BIS documents and/or something like Sibel Emmonds testimony she is barred from giving ie (9/11 truth shocker).
Or if WL is an op it's probably a harmful file of some sort. Something not discussed much.
If Assange is an Oompa-Loompa the file probably contains marshmallow and rainbow sprinkles. This is rarely mentioned.
:-)
As Pogo pointed out many years ago.."we have met the enemy and he is us".
Every time one might think SuppaPow-weRRr U-S-A could not possible to become even more sick, fucked up, twilight zone, crazy ass society, it does exactly that. Guess we all are now under US jurisdiction, one big happy dappy family. Uncle Sam will take care of us, except he does drink a lot and points that shotgun at us during his late nite paranoid episodes. But other than that, he is quite ok...sometimes. High fives everybody!
I always wanted to become American style "overfed clown with neck tattoos" (like Mr. Kunstler says)! What about planet Mars, is it still outside or just waiting for the proper paperwork to be completed?
"In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." – George Orwell
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is fucking cnut pig that should be dragged back to his sty and fed buckets of shit.
The real problem with this ... having a foreign government snatch-n-grab a third-country national for alleged espionage for mere possession of alleged state secrets while on foreign ssoil ... is that it opens the door for other governments, e.g. Russia, China, who have significant leverage to pressure other governments to snatch-n-grab hundreds, if not thousands, of US service members, diplomats, other low-level functionaries, or even plain old civilians abroad on similar charges.
This is a stone best not throne by a shining glass city on a hill.
It didn't take long for the first "Wiki-Helper-Hacker" to get busted open...
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security/2010/12/10/dutch-police-arrest-teen...
I would guess that teams are assembling to perform very simiar work in the US.
If you know someone who has been LOIC'ing VISA, MC, PayPal, etc... Make sure to keep in touch and see if they get a "knock 'n talk" from the freindly guys in plain looking suits. It's likely only a matter of a week or so before they start (if they haven't already).
Funny thing is, you won't hear shit about it in any newspaper or even from the person themselves.
They have these "Gag Order" things... I hear they work pretty good.
You will know because people witnessed computer hardware being removed from so and so's house and taken away by "not the Geek Squad".
Agent Smith will be working. But we'll find out for sure--people just like to talk. Free speech is as fundamental as food, water and air. This won't fade into the noise of the matrix.
When Kim Kardishian gets caught in a 3way with Tiger Woods and Justin Bieber its all over baby...
WikiWhat-The-Fuck?
Did you see those TitS!?
If there is a Steriod scandle going at the time it won't hurt either.
Huh?
Yeh all hackers will need to be under 16
Though I can just see Holder wanting to put a few hundred pimply teenagers to death for emabarassing the USA.
Nobody will be put to death.
And it's got little (and everything) to do with the banks, but not like you think.
As long as the banks are where people cash checks and do bz, they will never let them sink.
It's absurd to abandon a sinking boat when you have no alternative to swimming, you will BAIL.
It's got everything with getting a handle on "Media" so's they can deliver that "Muzak" message and not be countered with all these smart asses who might be "right" but got nothing to show for it.
They know people would rather be (insert whatever here) than poor and marginalized.
That is what you fight, not the bank itself, but the institutional belief that they are what they are.
Predictable that US will move to put him in prison. But the cables will still keep coming. Why are we $16 trillion in debt ? Largely because of the idiocy of our foreign policy, now being bared. To readers of this website, is any of this really surprising ? Answer: No. Ugly and dumb. Herein lies the problem: the madness is allowed to continue unabated few give a shit. Most are fuckin rats, concerned only about the next hour's pleasures and pains...
OK Guys something about the banks
Why banks are worried about WikiLeaks
Madeleine Heffernan
Published 2:39 PM, 10 Dec 2010 Last update 0:11 AM, 11 Dec 2010
An Australian assisting Julian Assange’s legal team has raised the possibility that WikiLeaks’ next document dump relates to the politics of bank bailouts and ill-gotten bonuses.
Scott Burchill, senior lecturer in international relations at Deakin University in Melbourne, is working alongside the lawyer Geoffrey Robertson QC and the journalist and author John Pilger on Assange’s legal defence.
As speculation intensifies that the next phase of the WikiLeaks saga will involve the release of documents of significance to the global banking market, it has been reported Bank of America has set up a ‘war room’ to defend its reputation.
In recent days, WikiLeaks has increasingly drawn attention to corporate behaviour, with oil and gas giant Shell accused of infiltrating the Nigerian government and the market expecting a massive document-dump on troubled UK energy giant BP.
But the prime suspect of the expected bank leak is Bank of America; its share price fell 3 per cent in a recent trading session when it was pinpointed as a target for the document-leaking site led by Assange, who is currently under arrest.
In the US, Fox Business Network’s Charlie Gasparino detailed Bank of America’s ‘war room’ after outlining concerns the bank’s mortgage creation and purchases of investment bank Merrill Lynch and Countrywide Financial Corporation during the global financial crisis would come under the spotlight.
Dr Burchill, a former political officer at the Department of Foreign Affairs, defines his role as holding the Gillard government to account. As part of his duties to date he has hunted down Swedish translators for Assange’s UK lawyers.
He says the information – to be released this month or in early 2011, and described by Assange as giving “a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level” – could be highly revealing.
He says: “Maybe there are a few people who’ve diverted funds to pay themselves a bonus they’re not entitled to, or there’s a link between politicians on various Senate committees and the way these banks have got a handout.”
Given the hostility Assange and his site has attracted for publishing embarrassing rather than critical information, Dr Burchill says media sites will need to make “moral judgements” regarding what to publish.
“It depends on whether there have been illegalities,” Dr Burchill told Business Spectator.
“I think you can probably make a strong case there’s a public interest argument there.
“But if it had the implications of tipping the financial system back to the precipice, then you’d have to think about that.”
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/WikiLeaks--the-bank-d...
The plot, she thickens. I L=O=V=E this stuff. BAC has been the feds' scapegoat from the beginning. CEO ousted in 2009. Now a war room built in hopes of shielding themselves from the next onslaught. Who has it against this thief? They are no worse; no better than MS, GS, JPM, WFC et al. These are, in fact, all appendages of one another. Amputation of an unwanted limb.
WTF/
Every time I post a little red box at the top of the page says:
"Unable to send e-mail. Please contact the site administrator if the problem persists."
Is anyone else seeing this?
Yes. ZH is becoming very slow at times.
WTF/
Every time I post a little red box at the top of the page says:
"Unable to send e-mail. Please contact the site administrator if the problem persists."
Is anyone else seeing this?
It's part of a coordinated plan to end Internet freedom as we know it.
If it shuts you down, I would pull the plug yesterday.
I had a rant lined up, but I really can't be bothered. After the shock of seeing Julian get locked up in Wandsworth I'm too tired to be angry.
This is so beyond stupid. Does Washington want to be nuked? - Everyone has a threshold to violence, and I reckon it was crossed today by far too many people who would not normally contemplate it. There is so much hate directed at the US right now, from literally every fair minded, free thinking, educated, and law abiding citizens from every bloody country in world. If I were in US government, I would put the danger level to defcon 1. We have seen the US government for what it is, and it does not represent freedom, liberty, or even the rule of law. They don't even deserve to be called fascists, but merely liars, murderers and thieves.
I ranted in the end. Couldn't help it.
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from Australia
Your comments are misguided and not helpful in any way. We have two women who say that you surprised them with sex in Sweden (even if you have never been there). You will be arrested shortly on this pretence, and the trial will be moved to Gitmo and upgraded to treason, even if you are not an american citizen. Have a nice day.
The government of the USSA are predators. Period.
We are in a similar situation to yourselves... The governments to do not represent the wishes of their people.
A vast majority are ashamed of our governments stance on this issue ... but that makes no difference to their actions, only their spin and rhetoric.
What a farse. The entire administration should be charged with treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Sheesh.
I said Julian should trust no one, and run and hide. Damn.
The core of the predators-that-be system is the central banks and their mega-banking system corporation co-conspirators. The predators will do anything to protect this core, because this gives them the ability to create infinite money via the federal reserve and the fractional reserve banking system. With this they can buy politicians and do anything else they wish. Thus, any attack on this system, even as trivial as revealing how corrupt it is, will draw their strongest reactions.
This is why Wikileaks can reveal anything about bogus wars and state department, but not about their core power base... the fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy, fractional reserve super-system.
This is why Wikileaks can reveal anything about bogus wars and state department, but not about their core power base... the fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy, fractional reserve super-system.
You have not revealed secret documents concerning, "the fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy, fractional reserve super-system." You are in league with Julian Assange, the Rothschilds and the Loch Ness Monster (Nessie is a well known Israel Firster).
I am "in league with" only one thing: honesty.
And if you had bothered to read anything about what's been happening, Julian got in big trouble soon after giving notice that leaks about "a big bank" was next up. That is coincidence?
Release the information about JPM, BAC, etc.
Why do you fear that, bankster lover?
Actually, it appears that I misread your post. I thought you were saying that Assange is working for TPTB and they let him release some information that will not hurt them but that he will not release the bank info.
My apologies.
I, too, am looking forward to the release of the bank documents.
Whew! Thanks for being upfront and letting me know.
1. if it is that dangerous then why is this shit getting out? if everyone who keep sminimizing it wrong? cmon, its a bunch of bullshit written by idiots. its as boring or as important as the emails going through my companies servers.
1. if it is that dangerous then why is this shit getting out? if everyone who keep sminimizing it wrong? cmon, its a bunch of bullshit written by idiots. its as boring or as important as the emails going through my companies servers.
2. i still question some of what assange is doing - mainly the why. i get the whole idea behind it. but you would think that international diplomacy as it may be affected by this would have been of larger concern to someone who lives and travels these areas. in the end, i get it. people should be smarter in what they say and do the right thing.
1. if it is that dangerous then why is this shit getting out? if everyone who keep sminimizing it wrong? cmon, its a bunch of bullshit written by idiots. its as boring or as important as the emails going through my companies servers.
2. i still question some of what assange is doing - mainly the why. i get the whole idea behind it. but you would think that international diplomacy as it may be affected by this would have been of larger concern to someone who lives and travels these areas. in the end, i get it. people should be smarter in what they say and do the right thing.
3. im sure the charges against him are baseless. its a really lame scenario. but they are there none the less and they affect his credibility. also, most of this stuff seems to have a bent toward american in an anti-american way. i dont think were all that great sometimes, but it would be nice to see the "targets" get moved around a bit more. fuck, you obviously have shit on china, start pushing that stuff out.
1. if it is that dangerous then why is this shit getting out? if everyone who keep sminimizing it wrong? cmon, its a bunch of bullshit written by idiots. its as boring or as important as the emails going through my companies servers.
2. i still question some of what assange is doing - mainly the why. i get the whole idea behind it. but you would think that international diplomacy as it may be affected by this would have been of larger concern to someone who lives and travels these areas. in the end, i get it. people should be smarter in what they say and do the right thing.
3. im sure the charges against him are baseless. its a really lame scenario. but they are there none the less and they affect his credibility. also, most of this stuff seems to have a bent toward american in an anti-american way. i dont think were all that great sometimes, but it would be nice to see the "targets" get moved around a bit more. fuck, you obviously have shit on china, start pushing that stuff out.
these whole thing is a mess.