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Assange Calls For Obama's Resignation If Confirmed President Approved UN Spy Ring

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When we first heard of the latest Wikileaks "cablegate" fiasco, we speculated that Hillary Clinton may be forced to resign for what is rapidly becoming the biggest crisis for US foreign policy since the Bay of Pigs. Today, in an interview with Spanish El Pais, Julian Assange goes one better and says that if it is proven that he approved the spying on UN officials, then Obama should resign. As a reminder as per one of the released cables, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
asked for UN personnel's telephones, emails, credit card details and
frequent flier numbers. Let's recall that Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment under somewhat comparable circumstances. The only difference is that back then Woodward and Berstein were not on the receiving end of what is becoming an endless barrage of death threats for doing their journalistic duty. This time around, the "deep throat" is the target of an international witch hunt, where however is moot: the early attempt by the like of Joe Lieberman to censor the internet is doomed from the beginning. However, it does show that in the past 40 years little has changed at the top echelons of power when the sordid truth of "Standard Operating Procedures" are revealed. And, unfortunately, things have only gotten worse. Also, keep in mind that Wikileaks has so far released only a small fraction of the 250,000 cables that will ultimately be declassified by Wiki. One wonders just how long the world can maintain the damage control before foreign relations between both friends and enemies are terminally frayed.

More from AFP:

"The whole chain of command who was aware of this order, and approved it, must resign if the US is to be seen to be a credible nation that obeys the rule of law. The order is so serious it may well have been put to the president for approval," Julian Assange told Spanish daily El Pais.

"Obama must answer what he knew about this illegal order and when. If he refuses to answer or there is evidence he approved of these actions, he must resign," he added during an Internet chat interview published online.

WikiLeaks threw US diplomacy into chaos when it started releasing more than 250,000 classified State Department cables on November 28, creating an international firestorm as American diplomats' private assessments of foreign leaders and politics have been publicly aired.

According to one of the documents, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked for UN personnel's telephones, emails, credit card details and frequent flier numbers.

The United States and other governments said the release of the documents broke their laws.

Assange gave the interview to El Pais on Saturday from an undisclosed location. The 39-year-old Australian is believed to be in Britain, and a report said he could be arrested this week.

To be sure, life for Wikileaks over the weekend has gotten progressively more difficult: first Paypal rolled over, and agreed to stop all Wikileaks transactions, and now even the site's last bastion: it's Swiss hosted site wikileaks.ch, is intermittently off and on.

He said WikiLeaks had "dozens" of people who were helping the organisation deal with the cyber-attack and set up the mirror websites "but it takes a lot of time for us to manage the process".

"We are automating that process and will soon have hundreds. If there is a battle between the US military and the preservation of History, we have insured History will win."

Assange said he and others who work for WikiLeaks had received "hundreds" of "specific" death threats from "US military militants".

Oddly enough, despite broad speculation that the British authorities are well aware of where Assange is located, his arrest has so far been elusive, making many wonder just what is contained in the 1.4 gigabyte file floating in torrentspace, which is considered to be Assange's prison insurance...

 

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Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:05 | 780318 velobabe
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first

tyler, this is good suspense. c what happens,

sunday, FUNday, right?

futures UP^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:55 | 781239 grek27
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http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/

 

it is all perhaps social engineering

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:45 | 781438 bank guy in Brussels
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Expanded list - Points favouring that Wikileaks is a fraud of US intelligence agencies with Mossad, as noted on the web:

- Board members of Wikileaks from CIA-entities, including ones tied to CIA-Google contracts and funding, and to CIA's front NGO 'National Endowment for Democracy'

- Thrust of Wikileaks revelations supporting US war initiatives against Iran and for military intervention against Pakistan, trying to make Lebanese distrust and fear each other, slander of independent Al Jazeera news, other US & Israeli larger objectives

- Israeli Prime Minister happy about Wikileaks in effect supporting war in Middle East, and Julian Assange praises the Israeli Prime Minister

- Wikileaks has something like € 1 million in bank, € 200,000 annual budget, supposedly from small 'donations' via PayPal etc. ... but bigger sweetheart funding likely behind it

- Wikileaks website doesn't reflect million-in-assets organisation, many have done much more with much less

- One of Julian Assange's lawyers is also lawyer for US Associated Press, giant US-gov't linked corporate media agency, owned by major US media owned by ruling US oligarch families

- With € 1 million in assets, a small army of international lawyers, and Assange and friends 'expert computer hackers' ... they sign up for US-based internet services, just like they are a bunch of newbies on Facebook

- With all his great international legal team, Assange chooses to hang out in Britain, which has a uniquely corrupt fascist extradition treaty with the US, whereby the UK will hand anyone over to the US without evidence or probable cause, just because the US requests it ... The US gov't can fabricate charges against anyone in 5 minutes ... yet nothing is filed against Assange, even though the US could have him, just by simply asking their UK best buddies

- One of Wikileaks site names registered by Jimmy Wales founder of Wikipedia, notorious CIA-agent disinfo site (proven in Wired news etc.), Wales himself part of CIA-linked CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) major US gov't policy tool for oligarchs & establishment. Jimmy Wales is also a close personal friend of President of Israel Shimon Peres, even recently attending an intimate birthday party for him.

- Wikileaks has unusual super good access to corporate media, NY Times and UK Guardian, both shills - mouthpieces for US and UK governments and establishment, media with fake 'progressive' image but refusing to carry much anti-gov't reporting, however nice open door for Wikileaks

- Julian Assange hostile to other progressive revelations, Assange hostile to questioning about US 11 Sept for example

- Julian Assange childhood troubled, under tutelage of parental figures involved with CIA-mind-control-experiment-type application of severely mind-altering drugs upon children

- Assange has previously used internet code name 'Mendax', ancient Latin word for 'liar'

- Weird situation with Assange and Swedish girls, one of them previously published web treatise on how to get revenge on ex-boyfriend re false accusations, one of them has departed for Israel ...

- Was it time to put some 'heat' on Assange because too many people were beginning to write about the CIA-Wikileaks connections?

- Was it time to make it look like Wikileaks is anti-US, to cover for the fact it is a US intel operation?

- The best lies are those that mix some truth with the lies, and the US gov't, has little problem with a further expansion of the well-known fact it is a torturing, murdering, killing-of-innocents regime. A few more Iraq and Afghanistan war atrocities exposed, are a small price to pay for:
--- A world-class media manipulation project to help sponsor more upcoming wars, and
--- Enabling the US to achieve greater dominance over internet content, and
--- Enlisting other Western governments in US-led global efforts of internet censorship, as has already occurred thanks to Wikileaks.

Just sayin' ....

Video « Is Wikileaks a CIA Operation? », speaking of some of the above on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brGAgrxscOg

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:03 | 781457 CrockettAlmanac.com
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And we're supposed to believe that "bank guy in Brussels" has no questionable connections? Belgian waffles are always served at CIA Christmas parties (they go great with single malt Scotch) -- need I say more?

And we're supposed to go along with Joe Lieberman and Sarah Palin (who wears an Israel flag pin) when they trash Assange. All makes perfect sense.

Or, does it seem that some people are going to incredible lengths to discredit a man who has until now done nothing but leak secrets from governments across the globe. If calling him a terrorist doesn't work call him a rapist. If calling him a rapist doesn't work call him an Israeli spy. I really can't imagine what the next claim will be.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:17 | 781466 WaterWings
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Yes, no such thing as a PsyOp.

Definitely.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 06:04 | 781542 Hephasteus
Mon, 12/06/2010 - 11:54 | 782037 tamboo
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truly amazing how many seemingly intelligent folks are buying into this shameless s&msm joomedia b.s.

http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2703

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 17:12 | 783336 4xaddict
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either way you in the US are losing the battle.

A) your industrial and military complex's security technology is even worse than expected not being able to keep these secrets. (no doubt the new TSA regs sit all the better with Joe Public now the whole the country is thrown bare ass naked into the international media)

or

B) your industrial and military complex is even worse than expected and is willing to bring shame to your entire nation by exposing confidential correspondence from nearly all of its allies in order to justify invading another sovereign state (not that I think Iran should be armed with that kind of gear) and thereby creating an ideal scenario to oust the (A) the only non-white leader you've had and (B) only leader you have had in a long time that looks outside your shores. Not saying your domestic politics have improved since "Change you can believe in" but then again he had nothing to work with from the beginning so is at least only partially responsible.

Anyone so wholeheartedly believing the promises of a politician regardless of race, colour or creed is a knobhead. They are all crooked, why is this one any different.

If Assange can produce a list of all the "donations", official and under the table provided to congress then it is clear he isn't some super triple agent James Bond but of course, James Bond would have killed him before that could happen.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:05 | 780328 johngaltfla
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Every day vertical is a good day Assange. Keep that in mind.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:46 | 780492 AnonymousAnarchist
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According to this article, the CIA gave her a "wish list" and Hillary signed-off on it.

Also, a wikileaks mirror list being updated regularly.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:50 | 780505 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Meh, come on Tyler, aren't we starting to jump the shark a bit here? How is this "comparable" to Watergate, and is anyone else here actually naive enough to think that every other country isn't doing the same thing as what our folks were doing?

 

The only "embarrassment" is that we got caught by some dude.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:08 | 780600 CrockettAlmanac.com
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What was Deep Throat, a rhododendron?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:48 | 781441 Problem Is
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No...
Linda Lovelace... and could she swallow...

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:00 | 781136 tmosley
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I guess if all the other countries were killing off their own populations wholesale, that would make it just fine here?

Evil is evil.  What other countries do doesn't matter.  If you think it does, then I have a bridge you need to jump off of because everyone else is doing it.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:16 | 781165 BobPaulson
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Exactly. There is only one ethical standard: your own. Once you're just talking relative, it's a huge slippery slope.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:23 | 780958 Thanatos
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Why has no one applied the "Shoeshine Boy" test to this?

Have we lost our minds?

When the shoeshine boy starts telling me about WL, it has all the cred of a Brittany Spears comeback.

I am going to go on record as calling a TOP on the WL BS.

Time to short WL.

HE wants Obama to resign... Yeahh. Apply for Citizenship and Vote like the rest of us.

I think he wants people who want Obama out to mirror his website.

I dont like BO but I don't see him resigning over some BS like this.

I can't wait to see the big red circles on the "Threat Map" that the spooks throw up in front of the polytricksters after this shit is over.

They will say as they point to the big red circles: "These are all the places that downloaded classified information... We NEED the ability to lock down and track every node everywhere!"

The Pollys will cut em loose to clamp it down.

Mission Wikileaks Accomplished.

Tyler Durden -- Unwitting, Hapless Accomplice?

Show me ONE MSM or "Alternative" news site or network that is NOT BEATING THE SAME DRUM on this.

Ohhhh... You Can't.

It's BULLSHIT.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:02 | 781138 Client 9
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Amazing. Our national security is at risk and you clowns label this rogue terrorist a hero. Incredible.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:31 | 781187 Oh regional Indian
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Client, your notional "national" security is at risk because of......let me count the ways...

1. Hegemonic, Brutal, and selfish militarism

2. A mis/dis informed, dis-embowled, weakened populace

3. A lying, thieving, profit at all costs, global, pervasive monetary empire mired in deceit

4. Planned cultural destruction of ancient, viable lands and their people via covert and overt social engineering

 

5. Etc.... feel free to be imaginative

If anything, The Ass is a symptom, nowhere near a cause of anything.

Ponder that.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:37 | 781197 cosmictrainwreck
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I respectfully disagree. If the security of our national security hinges on silly bullshit like this we really are screwed. Sounds like you're a "I'm for National Security" kind of guy. I submit your trust is grossly misplaced if you think for a second that the bozos in CIA, NSA, FBI & 8 other aplphabets PLUS the 1000's of fucking parasitic "contractors" all of whom are tripping all over each other, wasting 90% of their resources screening billions of conversations, etc ad nauseum afford us any "security" whatsoever, you are deluded. OH SHIT. I just circulared my argument....we better shut this guy up, or Daisy Mae over at NSA might get a hangnail, which might lead to a typo, which lead to a....

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:56 | 781241 barkingbill
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i agree. one of the biggest tragedies in the us is the almost totalitarian like obedience to the pentagon/national defense idea. of course the manipulators know that, so they just keep playing whatever games, saying this or that about national defense, and the people eat it up.

then one day something blows up, a president's head, or maybe a couple towers. who did it? oh the russians, or maybe these other evil guys from the middle east...ah ok, lets fight some more wars...and the game continues with so many little gi joes out there waving the red, white and blue. 

unfortunately the destructive threatening element, is right there, buried among all the patriotism. who watches the watchers?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:38 | 781429 Crummy
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Presumably, one of those national things we would like to secure is the the freedom of the printing press and freedom of speech.

Is it Wikileaks who put that at risk or the actions of the state department? Everyone touched by this who doesn't resign is putting our national security at risk and putting themselves ahead of the nation they claim to serve.

Wikileaks, like terrorism, is a new reality. We can either adjust to the new paradigm and use it to our advantage diplomatically or go the way of the calvary charge.

 

 

 

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:02 | 781140 tmosley
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My shoeshine boy told me the sky is blue.  Does that mean it isn't the case?

My shoeshine boy told me murder was wrong, does that mean murder is right?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:31 | 781189 Thanatos
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Dude,

Please. I know you can do better than that.

You understand my point.

Think past what you want to be happening and look at what is.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:26 | 781283 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Think past what you want to be happening and look at what is.

 

That's odd advice coming from a man who admits that he has never read one document published by Wikileaks and yet finds the motivation to spend several hours arguing about those documents in an Internet forum.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:53 | 781330 WaterWings
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Argue this: WikiLeaks = AIPAC (major focus on Iran in latest leaks...hmm)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27/gordon-duff-wikileak-predictions-sticking-my-neck-out-2/

Oh, why didn't they tell us this?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/12/sex-charges-and-arrest-warrant-against.html

Supporting WikiLeaks = Domestic Terrorism? (aid/comfort to enemy):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zl9v_EQt78

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:13 | 781350 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I've already argued against that bizarre set of assumptions elsewhere in the thread.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:23 | 781418 WaterWings
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Addressed what? No, you didn't. You have spent more time bickering than presenting information. Paul and Napolitano do not support Assange, per se; they support open discussion and free flow of information. Pay attention: when Paul points out the absurdity of leveling treason charges against a non-citizen it doesn't imply backing. It pathetic reporting.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45930.html#ixzz174dZBGvq

Spend more time on your blog, or whatever it is. What brand of Pali soap did you say you use?

 

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:34 | 781424 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The soap I use is from Nablus and it looks much like the package on this page:

http://anjameulenbelt.sp.nl/weblog/2004/10/22/soap/

I got the soap from Riad Hamad at the Palestine Childrens Welfare Fund. He was a good, good man but now he's gone.

I've got to find another source for the soap. It's the only thing that will keep my hands from cracking in the winter. Good stuff. I highly recommend.

As for the blog, it's just one project among hundreds. I do enjoy making the occasional post, however. Lew Rockwell has even published one or two things from it. So that's nice.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:51 | 781442 WaterWings
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LOL

Multiple paragraphs for what?

And don't hide behind genuine efforts you fuck.

What the hell are still doing awake on this thread? I'm just a pathetic, unemployed drunk up late.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:14 | 781465 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Multiple paragraphs? Sorry -- must have thought I was tweeting.

I'd like to encourage one and all to make a donation to Free Gaza as long as we're on the subject. That's the way we Mossad agents pass the wee hours.

http://www.freegaza.org/

 

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:18 | 781469 WaterWings
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And don't hide behind genuine efforts you fuck.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:51 | 781494 CrockettAlmanac.com
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No, you're right. I'm Mossad coming to you live from Tel Aviv. But I'm feeling a little guilty so please be a mensch and donate to Free Gaza. I did and Bibi smacked me for it!

http://freegaza.org

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:04 | 781506 WaterWings
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You're breaking the rules.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:13 | 781407 Thanatos
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From the article we are posting in:

One wonders just how long the world can maintain the damage control before foreign relations between both friends and enemies are terminally frayed.

Look, getting rid of screwed up bankers and politicians is one thing.

Starting WWW3 is another.

The Web can be controlled and censored (think China), it just takes the political will.

This event is generating that will at this very minute.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:37 | 781428 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Will you do us the favor of telling us what we can safely speak about and when? Until then I'm all on board your Shut Up for Freedom Campaign.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:19 | 781471 WaterWings
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You make too many requests. STFU.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:57 | 781535 Thanatos
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No, I will not.

There is no shut the fuck up campaign.

Its a use your simple mind campaign.

Thats all.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:40 | 781087 midtowng
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The calls for Obama to resign are just silly, but the attacks on Wikileaks isn't.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:04 | 781346 ViewfromUnderth...
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It is a master-stroke of PR...elevating the level of the debate to the President and personalising it...Free Julian/Impeach Obama.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:06 | 780330 Belrev
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The WikiLeaks story is all over the main stream media. Just in time for European debt crisis. What a nice distraction with nothing serious revealed. Do any of those files contain anything of substance on Rothchilds' involvement in politics, for example? I think not.

 

Why not release everything right away to help bring down the New World Order ASAP. Why announce it months in advance and leak the documents little by little every day. Why do the WikiLeaks staff have to read them all and filter out before releasing.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:25 | 780382 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Wikileaks is making an effort to redact names of individuals who may come to physical harm if their names become known. That's one reason why they can't dump all the documents at once. That's not only morally and ethically sound but it helps Assange's ethos.

I found the following information to be of some import not only because it details the actions behind an ongoing crime but also because it's a leak which will appeal to the right wing while most of the war related cables would appeal to the left wing. There's something in those leaks for everybody.

I'm liking this Assange fellow more everyday. Now he's calling for Obama to resign? Think I'll fix him a cup of tea and in the meantime, don't tread on Julian.

 

See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulat...

WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord

Embassy dispatches show America used spying, threats and promises of aid to get support for Copenhagen accord

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:17 | 780627 boooyaaaah
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Funny how the anticapitalist pro socialist branch of the Zero Hedge peanut gallery is pooh poohing Government corruption.

I think wikileakes is filling a void in American Jounalism --- truth at all costs.

Let the heads roll

They are in cahoots with the big bankers if it makes you feel better

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:39 | 780704 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm leaning in the direction of believing that Assange is on the level. No reason to believe otherwise at this time. Some of the criticism of Wikileaks has been downright bizarre, especially from those apparently on the left. I mean Palin wants him dead but within the anti-Wikileaks contingent she sounds more sane than many. Wonders never cease.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 22:05 | 780788 SamuelMaverick
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+1

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:46 | 781421 WaterWings
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Which branch? Borrowing from another excellent post I read today: "You are smokin' your own belly button lint."

You're a fracking idiot:

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/future-dollar

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:01 | 780983 Thanatos
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Let me give anyone who is unsure about what this WL thing might be a suggestion.

It's not that big of a chore compared to reading most of the WL junk.

Read through the following materiel before making any further judgement on what kind of Animal you are dealing with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%29

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-05-301.pdf   [Particulary Appendix D: Advertising and Social Marketing]

Also note the Omissions on "Techniques" from previous versions of the Psyop Manual.

Which can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/546409/posts

If you scan this stuff and you still don't feel sure about WL... Then go with your gut.

If the WL stuff is so censored as Reggie claims, why can I access multiple sources of it?

Why does google trends show anything about it going off the chart?

Why is CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and Gordon Geco telling me to download the mirror?

Wake Up.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:34 | 781194 Buckaroo Banzai
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Obama spying on the UN? If true that's the first sensible thing he's done in office.

Assange calling for Obama's resignation based on that assertion is absurd. Wikileaks is looking more and more like One-Worlder Psy-Ops.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:46 | 781224 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Assange calling for Obama's resignation based on that assertion is absurd. Wikileaks is looking more and more like One-Worlder Psy-Ops.


Because Obama is key to stopping the New World Order?

Can you say, "non-sequitur?"

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:33 | 781425 WaterWings
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You are either confused (non-sequitor?) or have an agenda.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:41 | 781433 CrockettAlmanac.com
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OK, you explain to me how calling for Obama to resign is part of "One-Worlder Psy-ops." I'm all ears.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:01 | 781455 WaterWings
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Ah, shifting your confusing; changing the subject. How about I make a request?

Explain why Buck Banzai knows less than you.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:19 | 781470 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How bizarre. I addressed the post in question and asked for clarification and you characterize that as changing the subject.

Let's assume that BB does know more than me. Help me understand his point. How does opposition to Obama indicate that one is engaging in One-Wolder Psy-Ops?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:30 | 781474 WaterWings
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His point is that the O supports a One World Agenda.

That a Lew Rockwell fan is confused on this...just...well...nope...agenda.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:57 | 781500 CrockettAlmanac.com
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But if Obama supports a One World Agenda and Buckaroo is opposed to a One World Agenda why does he call Assange "absurd" for suggesting that Obama resign?

Do you follow that? If Obama is bad and Assange doesn't like Obama then that would lend credibility to Assange, right?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:03 | 781504 WaterWings
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Why does a child like a flower if the flower requires sunlight for growth but over-exposure to the sun causes skin cancer?

AIPAC? You obviously never read the links I posted.

You sir, are a troll.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:48 | 781530 CrockettAlmanac.com
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And yet you are the one who hides in shadows while I do not. What do you make of that?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:50 | 781531 WaterWings
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Have you ever heard of the NSA? This isn't fucking private you dipshit.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:07 | 781253 barkingbill
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jones, tarpley, and others are pushing this idea that its a fake. im confused by all the infighting. 

 

for me, anything that pisses off lieberman must be good right? anyone that gingrich hates can't be all bad no?

the pentagon is getting red in the face. politicians throughout the world are itchy and uncomfortable. 

you can say this or that about wikileaks, but they've got all the right enemies...

and ron paul on their side:

RP (talking about WL): “In a free society we’re supposed to know the truth,” Mr. Paul said. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we’re in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ&feature=player_embedded

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:21 | 781275 DaveyJones
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Like 911 in the end it might not matter whether its real or fake the results are the same an invasion and clamp down on fundamental rights

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:37 | 781203 Oh regional Indian
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Thanatos, reading your post brought up an interesting thought.

What if the insurance file is one massive virus spreading meme. When enough people have downloaded it, into their secure machines and the "code" is "leaked".....

Like wildfire, across the world..... some pablummy disclosure, maybe even explosive disclosure and a window into every hacker worth his/her name.

Would be a masterstroke, whatever said virus might be intended to do.

Plausible, eh?

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:03 | 781344 Thanatos
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it's more of a taggant.

They count all the little hits and add em up on a nice big map.

You know, the kind with the big overlapping density circles?

And they use the big red circles to scare the cottontopped polytricksters into giving them more control.

Works like a champ

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:45 | 781375 StychoKiller
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Good luck writing a virus that can infiltrate all the variations of Linux that currently exist, especially SELinux, FreeBSD!

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:53 | 781447 Oh regional Indian
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Not deep enough into the bowels of open source to make a cogent response. 

Is it really that hard? If I understand correctly, variations are variations built on a core root/kernel that is common. 

No?

 

ORI

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 09:33 | 781664 fajensen
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You can pretty much count on the lusers to give root access to their boxen ...

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:06 | 781000 Pegasus Muse
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Me too.  Assange is spotlighting the total lack of honesty and credibility of the US Government and the Power Elites puppeteers that pulls the strings behind scene.  

Write your politicians.  Ask them where they stand?  For sanctioned killings of a journalist trying to disseminate the truth about a corrupt government or for the First Amendment and transparency in government?

 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:55 | 781130 DaveyJones
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what it boils down to. Nice to see primary evidence, confessions really, of our hypocritical, self centered, un "democratic" machine. It is also a good source of angry energy to get something rolling.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:26 | 780387 Husk-Erzulie
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The day in, day out release is slow but relentless, it stays in the media spotlight day after day, not just one quick shot, easily sidelined and forgotten.  Contrary to popular belief it really is the motion in the ocean and not the size of the canoe ...lol  ;-p

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 22:53 | 780960 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I never take my canoe out in the ocean. I'm just not that Inuit.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:26 | 780388 samsara
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Exactly.   As much as I wish it was on the level. 

My opinion up till this last week was...

Is that all you got to show after all this media attention?  

911?  nothing,  

Rothchilds/D.Rockefeller/GS/JPM ?  Nothing, 

Israel et al?  Nothing.

Now playing Peggy Lee,  Is That All There Is?  Is That All There Is to WikiLeaks?

Then break out the booze...

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:45 | 780487 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You seem to be up on those topics. Why don't YOU release that information. What -- you don't have it? Then what makes you so sure that Assange has the blueprints showing where Dick Cheney planted the charges in the towers on 9/11?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:54 | 780531 Max Hunter
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There is plenty of 9/11 information. That's not the point.  The man is being put on a pedestal as someone with connections and insight into government cover ups and yet 9/11 truth completely eludes him. It doesn't pass the smell test..

I know you are as tickled as Israel about how the outcome of this latest release promotes the war mongering agenda and keeps everyone afraid of brown people.. Now he wants Obama's resignation, you must have had to change your underwear when you read that.. Because of the frontside getting so wet..

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:56 | 780538 Millivanilli
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No it certainly doesn't.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:12 | 780611 CrockettAlmanac.com
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There is plenty of 9/11 information. That's not the point.  The man is being put on a pedestal as someone with connections and insight into government cover ups and yet 9/11 truth completely eludes him. It doesn't pass the smell test..

 

OK, so YOU release the secret 9/11 plans. If you don't you won't pass the test (but please understand that I have no interest in smelling you).

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:38 | 780705 Max Hunter
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Good one little Timmy.. I hope Santa brings everything you ask for.. Although, I don't know how dead Palestinian Civilians and War with Iran will fit under the Xmas tree..

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:47 | 780734 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Assange is going to be responsible for war with Iran? If you have evidence to that effect, please leak it. Or are you just making things up as you go along? Please be as forthcoming as Assange and publish actual government documents. Half baked opinion doesn't count.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 22:28 | 780876 Max Hunter
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My God you are a blabbering fool... Is that on purpose??

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 22:58 | 780975 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm a fool because I asked you to back up your theory that Assange's leaks will lead to war with Iran? So you are just making things up and you are apparently proud of it.

That's not a readily defensible position, you know. Makes you look foolish.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:06 | 781002 Max Hunter
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Listen Crocketta... I never addressed your request because I never theorized that Assange would be responsible for war with Iran. You made that up. Much like everything else you spew.

I'm trying to see things from your point of view, really, but I can't get my head that far up my ass..

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:41 | 781084 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I never addressed your request because I never theorized that Assange would be responsible for war with Iran. You made that up. Much like everything else you spew.

 

Do you really think that people can't read what you said a few posts above?

 

by Max Hunter
on Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:38
#780705

 

Good one little Timmy.. I hope Santa brings everything you ask for.. Although, I don't know how dead Palestinian Civilians and War with Iran will fit under the Xmas tree..

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:44 | 781220 Max Hunter
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Hey dumbass... read your own fucking post.. I said YOU WANT WAR WITH IRAN.. Not Assange will be responsible for it.. Dumb fuck.. Jesus fucking Christ you are stupid..  You have the reading comprehension level of a second grader.. twit

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:53 | 781235 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you'd calm down and think and speak more clearly you would be better understood. We were discussing Wikileaks, you opposed Assange and I supported him. The next step was your assertion that I wanted war with Iran. I believed that your statement was part of the ongoing conversation and that it fit in line with that continuing conversation. I did not realize that you suddenly brought up Iran for no apparent reason.

What could possibly make you think I favor war with Iran? And what does that have to do with our conversation about Julian Assange?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:32 | 781069 Thanatos
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Hey Crockett,

Take a crack at my theory.

It's posted a few blocks down from here.

How's that strike you?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:46 | 781100 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I didn't read past the second line of your post below because it begins with an incorrect premise. Despite your assertion to the contrary the truth is that Wikileaks has published documents from other nations going back several years.

Why do you and so many others just assume that Wikileaks only published US documents?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:10 | 781157 Thanatos
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Because I don't see 90+ % of the documents released being other than US.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:27 | 781182 CrockettAlmanac.com
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First you said:

Why are ONLY US Governemt documents being released?

Does WL not get files from other Governments?

Now you say that you believe that 10% of the documents published by Wikileaks are from governments other than the US. Where did you get that figure? I don't believe that you have ever even looked for documents from other nations published by Wikileaks. They used to be available here:

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Countries

But of course that no longer works because of the DOS attacks against the site.

I will reiterate my question -- why did you assume that "WL (does) not get files from other Governments?" When I called you on the error why did you make up the figure of 90% US documents out of thin air. I don't mind debating this subject with you and with others but it seems pointless to discuss a topic with people who just make things up and when they are shown their error go on to make up something else.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:50 | 781215 Thanatos
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Your'e right about my rough estimate. But I never said published.

They recieve a small amount of upload from FGs but nothing compared to US.

I never read any WL trash because I don't care for stale gossip about obvious criminals.

There isn't any "Proof" of anything in these files that means anything significant to a criminal prosecution for anyone.

The whole WL production is being managed like an episode of Dancing with the stars.

There are over 75 Mirrors of the WL junk and Growing right now... Try reading some more foriegn secrets there.

So, how bout any of my other points?

I guess that you couldn't get past what most would concede as obvious prima facie.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:59 | 781242 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I never read any WL trash because I don't care for stale gossip about obvious criminals.

So you admit that you have no knowledge of the subject we are discussing yet you continue to discuss it and you fault me for not reading your theories which you admit are not based on the available evidence.

What would be the purpose of that?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:39 | 780706 Millivanilli
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I said I bought Chomksky's point, you fucking halfwit.   Read the god damn post.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:42 | 780722 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If a halfwit can make you so angry what does that make you? Bet you wish you had studied your fractions more carefully now, don't you Skippy?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 22:43 | 780926 FatFingered
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1/4wit?  I don't know....I need to work on my fractions I guess.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:01 | 780571 YHC-FTSE
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I don't why more and more people keep imagining that Wikileaks has the entire Pentagon database on Assange's laptop. Wikileaks only has what the whistleblowers have managed to upload - in the latest case, fairly low grade signals intelligence accessible to a 22yr old private within a short timeframe. That's it. Do you get it now? 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:13 | 780616 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Quite correct.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:38 | 781307 piceridu
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Well said

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:50 | 781383 WaterWings
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No, I don't. I don't get why they haven't release more. Smells like bullshit.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:13 | 781406 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So you don't believe that Assange doesn't have every US government document in existence? How do you think he could obtain what must amount to billions of documents? And if Assange had billions of documents wouldn't that take even longer to review and release?

Do you have even the slightest ability to assess a scenario logically?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:54 | 781449 WaterWings
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Very superlative. It defies logic.

Review what? Post it up. Done.

More. Now. Can you imagine how many condoms are breaking at this very moment?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:23 | 781473 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Review what? Post it up. Done.

 

Wikileaks reviews each document and redacts the names of people who may be put in physical danger if their names are released. This fact has been well publicized.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:32 | 781480 WaterWings
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Fuck 'em. Post it. Let others get involved with "public safety" besides gov't. What, you want to protect the status quo?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:59 | 781503 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Some people have ethical standards.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:08 | 781507 WaterWings
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Ethics? The Gaza Strip appreciates your sensitivity.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:53 | 781533 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The people of Gaza do not appreciate your attempts to hide the crimes of the US government. But Joe Lieberman will give you a big sloppy kiss.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 09:07 | 781600 YHC-FTSE
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Look, I understand your frustration and confusion about the material being released, but Wikileaks can only release material they have been given by the whistleblowers after the material has been corroborated (And names removed to protect the innocent). I can imagine that it must be a very difficult task given the size and complexity, as well as  safeguarding against the chance that the intelligence services will try to fake an upload with deliberately false information to discredit Wikileaks on publication. Even so, it is a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the material in storage at the Pentagon to which nobody of good conscience has access.

 

I think Wikileaks has incredibly high standards in journalistic integrity, and I would trust them over any other source of news media. After all, the materials published are not heresay, guesses, or rumours, but sourced from the perpetrator's own hands, in their own words. 

 

It is to ridiculous assume that you will see everything you ever wanted to see in the Wiki releases. Try not to have high expectations, but if we ever have a high-ranking leak, we may finally find out the truth and lay all our restless ghosts to rest. 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:05 | 780994 Thanatos
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--Rpost from other WL thread sorry--

I am on the fence with this.

At every turn my gut tells me this is not what it seems to be.

Why are ONLY US Governemt documents being released?

Does WL not get files from other Governments?

Are they not as "incriminating" as the US documents?

The MSM sure seems to have a hard on for this story... Aren't they supposed to be bombarding me with Kim Kardashians under-age sex affairs? Or Hulk Hogan's latest comeback?

None of these documents contain info that would surprise anyone who has been paying attention to events in the world, yet they are "classified".

No REAL classified documentation that would really be harmful to the USG has been released that I can see.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to smell.

What is the point?

Assange admits he doesn't even know why he is doing it when asked?

For someone who values Privacy and Anonymity enough to not have a home, Assange sure is in my face on the TV and Web a whole bunch, we know more about what he is doing than our own President.

Are they trying to make him a hero?

Are they trying to make a figure head that all malcontents magnetically attract to?

It would make "Malcontent Cleanup Operations" soooo much more efficient.

This is my fear.

They will show a map of all the nodes that download this shit in the US and claim that they NEED to slap MEGA FILTERS, CLAMPS, PROBES, SPLITTERS, ETC. on the networks for National Security purposes. This won't be done in some public hearing. It will just happen.

All this will be accomplished because sheeple like gossip.

Well go ahead and dl that shit. You will end up being force fed CNBC on every channel before you know it.

I could put "Classified" on a 2 year old TV Guide and people will act like childeren trying to get a peek at whats inside.

That is exactly what is happening.

I was a WL believer for the last few years but now I know something is really, really wrong with this.

Bets?

Seriously.

 

Ok.. Just saw the WL/Assange fiasco on CNBC Asia. It has officially Jumped The Shark.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:58 | 781093 samsara
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I posted this on the other WL thread.

 

Fwiw,  I find it interesting that...

WikiLeaks founder: Netanyahu believes exposé will aid Mideast peace

Julian Assange tells Time: Netanyahu says leaders must speak in public like they do in private; Turkey: Israel engineered WikiLeaks release.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-founder-netanyahu-believes-expose-will-aid-mideast-peace-1.328380

Why does that leave me unsettled about JA?

HEY, just thought.  Joe Lieberman calling him less than dirt and now  Netanyahu  says he's a good guy?  Come'on.   What's wrong with this picture folks?   

 

oh, take read from veteranstoday. 

Wikileaks = AIPAC ?

WIKILEAKS, A TOUCH OF ASSANGE AND THE STENCH OF AIPAC

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27/gordon-duff-wikileak-predictions-sticking-my-neck-out-2/

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:17 | 781164 Thanatos
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It's just layer upon layer of front group and who knows who really is behind it.

That will become quite clear when a bit of time passes won't it?

Likely not.

Watch who benefits.

They can "channelize" all the correct information to you and filter out the bad stuff that is "bad for kids too".

If you try and get around it, you ARE a paedophile porn pimp that will be caught and well you know...

The PTB will all get a break with the Net locked down... Ds and Rs.

That's how they got enough "juice" to pull the back burn op.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:43 | 781094 Max Hunter
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They will show a map of all the nodes that download this shit in the US and claim that they NEED to slap MEGA FILTERS, CLAMPS, PROBES, SPLITTERS, ETC. on the networks for National Security purposes. This won't be done in some public hearing. It will just happen.

That would suit Cocketta just fine.. All of his heroes in Israel would get the good contracts for that operation.. He's probably getting wood just thinking about it... The more Israeli/USG control the better for trolls like him..

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:49 | 781109 CrockettAlmanac.com
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But Max, I'm pro-Palestinian. Where does that leave you?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:49 | 781230 Max Hunter
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That's not the impression I was under.. I'll keep a look out to see if you are being honest about that..

I thought you got that deep down clean feeling from killing brown people, you know Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians, Pakistanis.. ohhh.. but you like Palestinians.. But you defend Israel... Hmmm.. Ok.. that's almost believable.. You are a class A twerp..

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:52 | 781234 Thanatos
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That is being overly kind.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:29 | 781265 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I've sponsored a boy in Rafah, had an olive tree planted in Palestine and supported every one of the voyages made by Free Gaza. I cook with Palestinian olive oil and I bathe with Nabulsi soap.

What have you done?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:05 | 781400 WaterWings
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I ate at Samir's in Seattle you fake piece of shit.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:22 | 781413 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Friends of mine and of my family have been attacked and killed by Israel. I am offended by your foolish allegations. Why do you act as if anger and ignorance can substitute for diligence and reason?

I've made hundreds of pro-Palestinian posts on ZH in the past six months. What exactly do you think I'm trying to accomplish by doing that if you believe that I am, as you so eloquently put it, a fake piece of shit?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:56 | 781450 WaterWings
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Because none of your claims can ever be validated and it smells like bullshit, instantly.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:28 | 781477 CrockettAlmanac.com
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But you are the one who is hiding your identity. I am not. If you really wanted to find verification of my support for Palestine you could do so quite easily in a few minutes. You do know how to use the Google, don't you? When one truly supports a cause like freedom for Palestine one must make the decision to speak openly and without fear.

Why don't you tell us who you are so we can validate your activities? Of course, this is the point where you will once again change the subject.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:35 | 781482 WaterWings
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Ah, very tricky. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. You first.

Google? What's that?

Oh, wait, was that changing the subject?

The purpose of Project Mayhem is to prevent ad hominem attacks.

Get it?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:09 | 781508 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Yeah, I get it. Keep playing your games and pretending to be a supporter of Palestine (while intentionally playing the fool). Meanwhile I'll keep doing what I can to help them.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:30 | 781523 WaterWings
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SOAP, BITCHES!!

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:55 | 781536 CrockettAlmanac.com
Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:11 | 781261 CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's not the impression I was under.. I'll keep a look out to see if you are being honest about that..

I thought you got that deep down clean feeling from killing brown people, you know Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians, Pakistanis.. ohhh.. but you like Palestinians.. But you defend Israel... Hmmm.. Ok.. that's almost believable.. You are a class A twerp..

Wow. I've rarely encountered someone who is so proud of being a complete asshole. Take a look at some of my previous ZH posts:

by CrockettAlmanac.com
on Mon, 08/23/2010 - 08:43
#537379

The US National Intelligence Estimate states that Iran has no nuclear weapons program.

 

by CrockettAlmanac.com
on Sun, 08/22/2010 - 23:08
#536882

Israel will fight. They have been since the beginning and always will.

 

That's the problem. Once God tells you to kill all the people in the land and take their stuff and you build an identity based on that kind of behavior, it's hard to stop.


by CrockettAlmanac.com
on Mon, 08/23/2010 - 01:11
#536999

I've supported Free Gaza since before the first voyage in 2008. How interesting to know that I might have have played a very small role in age old prophecies of the end of time. Not that I'll necessarily have much of a chance to ponder the significance of all that.

 

If anyone wants to keep the pressure on the Zionists, drop some coin on these folks:

http://www.freegaza.org/

 

 

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:56 | 781390 WaterWings
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So what. Easy position to take in cyberspace.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:23 | 781417 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You're the one who is hiding his identity. I'm not.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:57 | 781451 WaterWings
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Leo? Is that you?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:31 | 781479 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You can't possibly be that dense. I've left a very short and obvious trail of bread crumbs.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 04:38 | 781484 WaterWings
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No, I see a pattern here. You fail to present any fresh or interesting information. You seek to confuse. You ask loaded questions. You challenge posters to reveal identity.

Fuck off.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:15 | 781511 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I challenged you because you say that I'm a "fake" even though my identity is no secret. And yet you remain in the shadows. Kind of shatters your credibility, you know?

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:23 | 781517 WaterWings
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Ah, exactly. Because I don't hand over my SocSec# and sexual preference I must not be able to post substance. I see.

WELL SHIT! I'M ANGRY NOW, BITCHES!! I'VE GOT LOADED GUNS, ANTI-GOV BOOKS, AND I LIVE AT 123 CHESTNUT LANE, UPPER MICHIGAN, BITCHES!!

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 05:55 | 781537 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You should try living without the fear. Feels good.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 06:02 | 781541 Thanatos
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Just like ignorance should.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:12 | 781263 thermroc
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"At every turn my gut tells me this is not what it seems to be."

My gut told me your gut doesn't know shit.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:44 | 780483 Captain Benny
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Digestion takes time.  Have you ever over eaten at a buffet?  You don't realize it was a mistake until you're nearly done and then you regret what you just did.  But then there is dessert!  So you rationalize having just one more slice of the pie...

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:08 | 780339 max2205
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I don't know who to root for.....

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:18 | 781031 Thanatos
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Root for you and those who do right by you.

This is one of those Black Swans of gigantic proportions that everyone at ZH talks about (but strangely has yet to recognize on a widespread basis).

Do not touch these files. The widespread access of these files will arm those who want MORE secrecy with all they need to lock down the Internet sooner than they would be able to otherwise.

They tell you big secrets in those secret files like:

The mexico drug war failed

Banks are corrupt

Hillary is mean and sneaky

Saudi hates Iran and funds AQ

Its gossip with a purpose.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 01:18 | 781271 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You claimed you never read anything from Wikileaks. How do you know what's there?

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:10 | 780344 Adam Neira
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This is like a foot soldier calling for Ulysses S. Grant to resign during the Appomattox campaign of 1865.

President Obama is keeping a steady hand on the till of world affairs. Julian Assange is acting like an anarchist gossip merchant.

I repeat...


Some things must remain private and confidential. In any organisation whether it be a corporation, government, defence force or charity there is a hierarchy of awareness and responsibility. Certain people are invested with executive decision making. Obviously these people should be employed on merit. Pure anarchic openness of all information sources leads to mass confusion, as people are unable to prioritise and process the data. A happy child trusts his parents to make good decisions on his/her behalf. That is why we need command and control structures in place around the world. When people feel that their confidences can be betrayed at the click of a mouse they are loathe risking authentic connections with others. I'm sure that Mr.Assange and his associates have a problem with the word "sovereignty". We actually need more respect for intellectual property and healthy boundaries everywhere right now, not less.

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:16 | 780362 Bring the Gold
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That only makes sense if you support current power structures that cause war and poverty. I guess I understand your POV at least.

Secrecy is anathema to freedom. Really though humanity is at the brink of much larger issues than Assagne or Clinton or Obama or Iran or pretty much anything most folks talk about. It's evolve or die time. We either will or we won't, the only hope is that the building crisis acts as a catalyst for evolutionary change of the human mind and spirit. Anything less is a death sentence whether tomorrow or 30 years from now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4XxMVH9hmk

Don't get hung up on the messengers. We've done that and crucified them in the past...literally. Or turned them into fat statues further East forgetting the teaching in our obsession with the teacher. Just how I see it.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 00:31 | 781191 BobPaulson
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The "don't shoot the messenger" has to be repeated over and over again here. On whether we all should hear everything, perhaps it causes a bit of chaos but the potential chaos is founded on intentional dishonesty, so the blame goes to whoever commits the corrupt acts, not the ones revealing it.

The JUNKS are piling up there. 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:19 | 780372 Nassim
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You may like to see yourself as a "child" who trusts his "parents" (Obama and Hilary), but please leave the rest of us out of your worldview. Also, if you trust them so much, make sure to send your kids to Afghanistan or wherever the Great Game happens to be going on at that time.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 21:51 | 780746 MsCreant
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Barrack and Hilary make a baby! Happy times!

 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:20 | 780374 delacroix
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when the parents, are criminals, the childs trust is misplaced

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 23:41 | 781085 Thanatos
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True.

Much more so than is being given credit for.

It will all become clear in time.

Then people will be aghast as they realize they are the ones who trampled their own freedoms.

The PTB just disguised freedom as something it wasn't and got everyone to trample upon it.

When you are telling the Grand kids about ZH and the WWW as it was before the "Clamps" were emplaced it will be crystal clear.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:27 | 780385 GoldSilverDoc
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Oh, well, if "you repeat", then we had better sit up and take notice.

Fuck you and your idiotic child-parent analogy.  You may be a child (obviously), but the rest of us out here aren't.  Morons like you are what allow states throughout the world to become the tyrannies they are.  The best thing that could happen to you, for all the rest of us, is if everybody like you were "leaked".  As in, leaky.  As in, well you figure it out, douche-bag.  Although I suspect you are too stupid.

 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:40 | 780453 cosmictrainwreck
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I went to the post just to see what all the chatter was about, and the first words caught my eye were " a happy child trusts his parents..."  I 'bout fell outa my chair; he didn't really say that did he? I'm gonna faint. OK, well, I guess I'll just tra-la-la over to mamby-pamby land where maybe I can get some self-confidence for me, me jack-wagon! And skip home saying "I'm a happy boy, I'm a happy boy......."

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:48 | 780502 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I'm sure that Susan Smith's children trusted her.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 02:59 | 781392 StychoKiller
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Maybe, but look what it got'em!

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:25 | 780386 tickhound
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In other words... Add more "internet security" to the "command economy" ??  MSM preaches this all day... I have to hear it on ZH too? 

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:01 | 781395 StychoKiller
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Fsck that garbage!  At any time, any of these so-called diplomats coulda used some (even rudimentary!) cryptography, and prevented the only accused leaker of this info from even knowing what he was looking at!  The MSM needs to remove their craniums from their rectums!

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:26 | 780390 SilverIsKing
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You do make a valid point although those in power so often abuse their positions or have agendas that differ from the public so how do we achieve the appropriate checks and balances?

Also, please explain which laws JA broke because he's being treated as a law breaker but I have yet to see anyone clearly and concisely describe the laws he violated.

Mon, 12/06/2010 - 03:03 | 781397 StychoKiller
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He violated the law(s) of the jungle:  He's twisting the tail(s) of the tiger(s)!!

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:26 | 780391 breezer1
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father of the lie refers to the other guy and the truth will set you free.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 20:32 | 780416 G. Marx
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Gee, who is the wiser? Adam Neira or Thomas Jefferson?

"There is not a truth existing which I fear... or would wish unknown to the whole world." - Thomas Jefferson

I go with Jefferson, Neira appears to be a toady of the state.

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