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Attempt To Pour Concrete On Fukushima Pit Crack Generating 1 Sievert/Hour Fails; New Unmanned Drone Photos Of Reactors

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After prior reports that radiation in and around Fukushima had breached the dreaded barrier of 1 sievert/hour were attributed to some PR apparatchik not knowing how to carry the decimal comma, we once again get confirmation that previous attempts to refute what some saw merely as scaremongering, were in fact more lies. According to Reuters, the soon to be nationalized TEPCO said it had found a crack in the pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima, generating readings 1,000 millisieverts (1 sievert) of radiation per hour in the air inside the pit. "With radiation levels rising in the seawater near the plant, we have been trying to confirm the reason why, and in that context, this could be one source," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said on Saturday. He cautioned, however: "We can't really say for certain until we've studied the results." Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that
water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still
leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.

From Reuters:

Nishiyama said that to cool the damaged reactor, NISA was looking at alternatives to pumping in water, including an improvised air conditioning system, spraying the reactor fuel rods with vaporized water or using the plant's cleaning system.

As the disaster that has left 28,000 dead or missing dragged into a fourth week, Prime Minister Naoto Kan toured devastated coastal towns in northern Japan on Saturday, offering refugees government support for rebuilding homes and livelihoods.

"It will be kind of a long battle, but the government will be working hard together with you until the end," Kyodo news agency quoted him as telling people in a shelter in Rikuzentakata, a fishing port flattened by the tsunami which struck on March 11 after a massive earthquake.

Unpopular and under pressure to quit or call a snap poll before the disaster, Kan has been criticised for his management of the humanitarian and nuclear crisis. Some tsunami survivors said he came to visit them too late.

Adding insult to injury, tax avoider extraordinaire (whose tax gimmicks apparently only made waves recently despite Zero Hedge writing about GE's tax code frivolity back in October 2010), Jeff Immelt, whose GE is the company that built the Fukushima reactors, is now going to meet with TEPCO for some pep talk. Which makes sense: it takes one partially nationalized company to know another partially nationalized company.

General Electric Co Chief Executive Jeff Immelt is headed to Japan to meet with officials including executives at Tokyo Electric Power Co which operates the Fukushima power plant that is the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl.

"He is going to Japan to meet with customers, partners and employees. He does have a meeting with Tepco," company spokeswoman Deirdre Latour said on Friday.

Engineers at GE, which designed the reactors used in the Fukushima plant, have been advising on response to the nuclear crisis, but not directly, instead working through Hitachi Ltd (6501.T), GE's joint venture partner in the nuclear business, GE spokesmen have said.

The chief executive of French reactor maker Areva (CEPFi.PA), Anne Lauvergeon, has already appeared in Japan, saying on Thursday that she wanted to send staff to help handle the crisis.

And while the world now refuses to care any more, confident that the concrete entombing of Fukushima will be the end of that particular nasty story, we wonder just how one can entomb all the affected areas as seen below via this unmanned drone overflight (via Cryptome).



 

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Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:56 | 1127977 Reese Bobby
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Six Sigma!

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:20 | 1128035 CPL
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Probably even ISO certifications on top of it all.

 

Ain't ceritifcations grand...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:51 | 1128107 prophet
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I thought the following was worthy of reposting up here.

by prophet
on Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:10
#1127132

 

I found this description of the accident progression by Areva to be informative:

http://cryptome.org/0003/fukushima-areva.zip

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:51 | 1128346 the mad hatter
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Why dont they just throw concrete thats a little dryer than normal into the pit and have the leaking water help cure it?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:36 | 1128519 Mentaliusanything
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Concrete is poured under water often using the "tramie method"

Concrete requires water for hydration and the curing of concrete is accelerated in steam (Steam curing)

Lies, damn lies and disinformation.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:44 | 1128534 malikai
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Is it possible they have to use a special type of concrete for this application? It's a high radiation and temperature environment, of course. Maybe the special concrete doesn't like lots of radioactive water?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 18:29 | 1128639 Hedge Jobs
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i dont know of any type of concrete that will set in water. maybe they can try to add some corn flour to thicken it up abit like when your gravy is too runny?

so, has "operation extension cord" officially failed yet or is this still ongoing? haven heard much about it but this new "operation pour contrete into water" doesnt seem be going too well either

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 19:09 | 1128725 Blankman
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There are certain types of cement, types of additives and proper placing procedures that will allow you to place concrete directly into water. the concrete displaces the water and will set up, what I am not sure of is how the extreme heats will affect the curing of the concrete.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:03 | 1128921 BigJim
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Maybe concrete doesn't set very well in a 1 sievert per hour environment?

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 09:43 | 1129606 BorisTheBlade
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There is a cement that sets in water, otherwise how the bridges would be built, i.e: http://www.subac.com/

However, TEPCO reserved to the less orthodox measures in order to stop radioactive water from leaking into the ocean:

The utility known as TEPCO deployed the absorbent called ''water gel bag,'' which contains polymeric materials used for diapers, as its efforts to encase the pit's fracture in concrete failed on Saturday.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/82882.html

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 23:20 | 1129127 Millivanilli
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 A 58 34 plenary mix with a boron sub should fit the bill.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:27 | 1128964 StychoKiller
Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:31 | 1128409 Triggernometry
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Funny, I just got certified as an ISO Lead Auditor last week.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:40 | 1128076 Ident 7777 economy
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I'll see your Six Sigma and raise you one TQM (Total Quality Management) ...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:58 | 1127983 digalert
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headline: CRACK FOUND IN NUKE REACTOR PIT

I didn't know Japan had a drug problem...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:24 | 1128041 trav7777
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maybe they hope to encase it in blacks

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:33 | 1128057 chumbawamba
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They can encase it in your ego.  Nothing would penetrate.  Not even humility.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:49 | 1128103 tmosley
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I think that is the plan.  In order to do that, they are going to release information that there are no black people there.  He'll be there in a few hours.  

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:24 | 1128173 chumbawamba
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His magical powers of arrogance will enwrap the entire complex in an envelope of Awesomeness and prevent any further radiation leaks.  Not only that, but it will create a vacuum like force that will suck back all escaped radiation and decontaminate the countryside.

Problem solved, bitches.  We're saved.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:34 | 1128185 FullFaithAndCretin
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Sorry, who are you again?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:39 | 1128525 trav7777
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In order to do that, they are going to release information that there are no black people there

Oh man I NEVER would have guessed by the almost total lack of violent crime and abundance of high technology, ordered society, and scholastic achievement!

Thanks for the tip bruh!

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 00:39 | 1129027 i-dog
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Touché! Your round, I think. (For that, I'm almost tempted to unjunk your initial comment :)

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:24 | 1128500 trav7777
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you can barely get a single junk anymore, hasbeen...

peep my skillz beyotch

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 18:49 | 1128688 chumbawamba
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I'm being called a has been by a never was.

Cute.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 20:57 | 1128908 trav7777
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it ain't my fault you can't get noticed anymore man...I got 40 junks on that post; that is champagne trolling.

Your jealousy is unbecoming; time marches on.  You're like a woman who doesn't yet realize she can no longer trade on her looks.  I thought you knew.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 22:57 | 1129105 chumbawamba
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Actually, allow me to extend your analogy:

You're like my less attractive, heavy-set friend who I bring along with me to bars so that I stand out.  Now that I've gone home with a nice fuck, you stand out.  Except, people notice that you're still less attractive and heavy-set, so you go home alone.

You'll never be what I was and am.  I'll let you pretend and try, but once you've exhausted yourself, trying to turn every cheap trick in the book, I'll come in for the final blow and demonstrate once and for all that you're merely a cheap facsimile.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 00:07 | 1129182 traderjoe
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I was right there with ya until the cheap facsimile part. Aren't you a cheap fax of the 'real' chumbawumba? Not that I care...just pointing it out.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 03:27 | 1129387 chumbawamba
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No, he's literally a cheap facsimile.

Everytime he says "anything, bitches", he's mimicking me.  I'm the one that first started that now tired trend.  It was my wake up call to everyone to get with the program.

GOLD BITCHES!!

Trav always says it like he's a wuss.  Cuz he is.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 10:32 | 1129646 traderjoe
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Fair enough. I'll butt back out now.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:39 | 1130074 trav7777
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your jealousy is unbecoming...you should fade away gracefully.

Nobody wants to be you.  You're not being imitated; you've been superseded.

I'm sure there's enough room for you to be part of my supporting cast.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:34 | 1128186 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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Man fuck you, you piece of ignorant shit! I am black and I am in college with a four year scholarship with a major in Podiatric medicine.  in Saint Francis College in Brooklyn. I guest that just does not compute on your brain that there are some blacs who are just as smart as whites. I guess you think all blacks watch BET.You just love to generalize that all blacks are not equal to white intelligence. Man just shut the fuck up with your hatred of blacks race has nothing to do with this disaster in Japan.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:46 | 1128202 FullFaithAndCretin
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You spelt 'black' wrong.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:54 | 1128212 avonaltendorf
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Grammar and sentence construction need work, too. Is podiatric medicine for feet?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 19:32 | 1128763 bob_dabolina
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Saint Francis College in Brooklyn is the new killing it.

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:02 | 1128229 EscapeKey
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Actually, if his post is anything to go by, it indeed is proof that "black intelligence" is not equal to that of white. It's superior.

/Still amazed idiots in this day and age believe in racist nonsense.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:35 | 1128515 trav7777
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blacks are more racist by far than whites.  commit more hate crimes too.  Ballers like Jalen Rose can call Grant Hill an uncle tom; they're even racist against their own, nevermind against players like Peyton Hillis, who got racial taunts in every game he played.  Throw in some "beat whitey nights" and random racial mayhem to go with the 54% of homicides, rapes, and robberies annually...

If black intelligence is superior, I'd like to know why they lacked the written word and any mechanical devices until being oppressed with them by arabs or the chinese.

No time for your whitey guilt, punk...read IQ and Wealth of Nations or any of the dozens of IQ studies.  It's all right there if you aren't too scared to look.

What amazes me is that on a site with supposed "freethinkers," some subjects like this evoke classic pavlovian responses and political correctness cloture along with the classic "YOU RAYCIS"!!!

You bend yourselves into knots to accept a dogma that is unsupported by both facts and common sense.  In fact, the only thing the racial myths have supporting them is propaganda from hollywood and a heaping dose of Orwellian dissent suppression (which you participate in). 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 19:40 | 1128773 bob_dabolina
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Blacks are wayyyy superior to whites. Just looks at the numbers, they beat whites in every category:

-Sexually Transmitted diseases

-Murders

-Theft

-Violent crime

-Fatherless Children

-High School drop out rates

-College drop out rates

-Loan defaults

-Food stamp participation

Clearly outperformers.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:05 | 1128924 trav7777
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Bob, I never in my life would have seen this post coming from you of all people LOL.  All these hate facts,  you rayciss

You forgot rapes and low graduation rates (even at HBCUs).  I particularly marvel at the ratio of black to white rapes vs white to black...it's a ratio of infinity.  Statistically, there was not even ONE rape by a white man of a black woman in the latest reporting year (resolution is 0-10).  Tens of thousands of the opposite.  Also add drug usage, welfare and SSI fraud, riots, looting, incarceration rates, arrest rates, lower FICO scores (those raycis computers), increased red light and speeding camera ticket rates (raycis computers again).

All these things are surely the fault of white people though

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:29 | 1128966 dasein211
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No but nuclear power is. And white people invented bio warfare too(just ask native Americans and all the folks that got plague ridden bodies thrown at them during the black death). And how bouts the inquisition? Please I could go through and name all kinds of shit white people do thats just as fucked up as the next race. And when you fuckers invent something you slam it through without any thought as to how might affect the future. And now you are becoming the fat, lazy weak willed slobs. I work with tons of white people and they don't know shit from anything. They all know whats happening on American idol but don't know fuck about the constitution. Or civil liberties. I'll hire an immigrant over some lazy ass white slob anyday- and so will the majority of corporations. White people were on the top of the hill.... But we'll write that book again in the future and see who's got the most murders and rapes. It's a function of poverty level and not race asshole. Just look at Bosnia and the old soviet republics. There are assholes in any situation. And I don't recall any minority country that ever made factories dedicated to wholesale slaughter. Only white people have woken up in the morning kiss their wife and kids goodbye and go to work a a gas factory. And if you studied genetic variation at all you'd realize that genetic purity is a fuckin disaster recipe- just ask the Quakers asshole.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 22:14 | 1129035 chumbawamba
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Haha!  You are about as nigger as they come.

I don't doubt for a moment that you are wrong, Trav, because as you say, you are always right.  But let's see some sources.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 14:40 | 1130079 trav7777
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for which one?

for black vs white graduation rates, you can use google, very easily.

For crime rates, BJS keeps data; bear in mind they conflate hispanics and whites.  NYC makes a distinction.

Pick one you want sourced, and will grab you a cite.  The disease rates are from CDC, hate crimes and interracial violence are kept by DOJ/BJS. 

don't act like the data is hiding from you- you are hiding from it.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 00:17 | 1129197 TerraHertz
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You forgot rap 'music'. Which all by itself convinces me.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1129794 Diogenes
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Well at least rap gives the lie to the old stereotype of all  black people having rhythm and musical talent.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 02:17 | 1129338 bob_dabolina
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trav7777 -

It's refreshing to agree with you.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 08:30 | 1129550 equity_momo
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what amazes me is that on a site with supposed "freethinkers," some subjects like this evoke classic pavlovian responses and political correctness cloture along with the classic "YOU RAYCIS"!!!

Thats a good point. Post-war Western society has created a jail for the mind. There should be no subjects classified as taboo.  Political correctness was/is more dangerous for society than the atomic bomb.

Open debate should be encouraged no matter how seemingly abhorrent the thesis. 

Generally , people are just afraid and too insecure to step into an arena where there are no limits. They are afraid it will challenge their inbuilt beliefs and then they have to question who they are. Most people dont want to question anything.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:21 | 1128268 themiestro
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If in fact you are, that is the exact reaction he was looking for..... no pun intended for using reaction, or relating it to your meltdown either.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:34 | 1128517 trav7777
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nigga, pleeze

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:56 | 1128218 Eally Ucked
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Oh well, after two days you decided to go your old way, that's ok.

I just hope in your real life you are not such an asshole! I even wonder what is prompting you to post garbage "joke" like that anyway, maybe Chumba is right - your hurt ego. 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:41 | 1128528 trav7777
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you people are so mindfucked you cannot even laugh at what was a pretty good comedic fodder troll

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 04:35 | 1129409 Yen Cross
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Your gamma face would be a fitting shield.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:11 | 1128159 Sudden Debt
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That reactor isn't that hight from the water table.

Even if the get to sacrifice 200.000 people to make that concrete cube (which will need to be done)

It only protects from the upside. Not from the bottom.

It will only take 3 to 4 years untill we'll get a unstopable radiation flow into the sea for decades to come.

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:56 | 1128214 SilverIsKing
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So when in a restaurant ordering fish, besides broiled, grilled, steamed, and baked, will 'radiated' be one of the choices?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:17 | 1128263 EscapeKey
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That won't be optional, so that's a 'no'.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:39 | 1128422 Nobody special
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Really depends.  Are you in the top .1% world elite?  If not, the radiation will be a 'feature' of all fish.  But it's a plus really.

When SHTF and candles are rationed, we'll see by the light of our mystery meal.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 23:49 | 1129158 Golden monkey
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Are you trying to tell me that the top .1% elite got only the finest Kosher food???

Tyler Durden only works in restaurant with over 300$ plate. As you should know, he likes to do some special add-on in the plate, at absolutely no extra cost...

You better be a nobody special, eating a 29$ rib steak.

I'm long 800 candles. God is short the elite. Better beware that fancy food.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 20:00 | 1128805 Herman Strandsc...
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How about 'Fiss Fingers?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:30 | 1128286 unky
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Just a question in theory, what would happen if they throw a nuclear bomb at this site and make a huge "hole" there and vaporize all of the reactors including the concrete and so on.

Eventually the hole will be so big, that the sea will reach a mile or two into the land. Then all the radioactive material would mix up with the water.

Just an idea...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:33 | 1128293 Ident 7777 economy
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... or ... maybe one of those anti-matter 'bombs' huh ...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:37 | 1128308 unky
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Come on, dont be silly

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:04 | 1128366 defn8Dog
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Take a couple supramax tankers, load 'em up with the water, the rods, whatever else glows in the dark and sink the suckers in the mariana trench. Those ships are underwater on their loans anyway.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 20:48 | 1128893 BigJim
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This idea has been raised before.

Nuking radioactive material doesn't stop it being radioactive; it just vaporizes it and hoists it way, way, up in the sky... to be wafted by jetstreams all over the world.

No thanks :-)

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:37 | 1128310 tewkatz
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I wonder if reactor 2's nickname is 'wormwood'...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 18:22 | 1128631 Ident 7777 economy
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by Sudden Debt on Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:11 #1128159

That reactor isn't that hight from the water table.

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Do hydrologists even refer to a 'water table' this close to a coast, the Pacific ocean, to be precise?

 

At this point all rivers (and any underground water flows) are 'terminating' where the land meets the ocean ... working further inland the 'water table' becomes higher, going with the land mass, but is still _lowest_ near where the land is sloping towards the terminus (the ocean).

 

What about tidal changes ... what does this do to a 'water table'?

 

 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 20:58 | 1128904 bankruptcylawyer
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this was precisely my thought...the next 30 years of SALT WATER waves will eat the concrete through, not too mention the heat inside the concrete interacting with the sea water. 

 

makes you realize how deeply screwed the east coast of japan is. i bet in five years they'll start bbuilding dikes to redirect water flow from the area.

this will undeniably result in a decrease in nuclear energy in nations that are wiling to look reality in the face. 

i think this also makes clear that nuclear power plants will be targeted by terrorists , but much more so, by nations in the next all out war. 

 

the only safe nuclear power is pebble bed modular reactor, and what makes them safe is also kind of what makes them crappy. ultimately the only safe fuel is non-radioactive fuel. 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:57 | 1127984 Zina
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I just try to wonder what will happen to those defenseless trees seen close to Fukushima reactors... Will them become mutant trees? When will them start to lose the leafs?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:13 | 1128019 ZackAttack
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I think they will develop artificial ent-elligence.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:14 | 1128160 Sudden Debt
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In 10 years from now, we can expect the first tree to go for president of the United Bankrupt States of America....

 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:49 | 1128208 magis00
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I laughed. 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:21 | 1128037 Vendetta
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Monsanto will buy them to add to their product portfolio

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:46 | 1128201 Herman Strandsc...
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Its alright, you can buy plastic ones to replace them.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:53 | 1128345 Natasha Fatale
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The leaves may turn reddish-brown, that's what happened to the trees in the forest near Chernobyl (hence its new name ????? ???, or Red Forest)

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:56 | 1127985 cossack55
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Cover it all? Easy. MOACB (Mother Of All Concrete Bombs).  This will mean taking air assets away from killing brown people in MENA for awhile, but hey, we still have Jordan, Yemen, Somalia, Ivory Coast and Syria as target rich environments. Bomb, baby,bomb.  Its all amerika does well anymore, other than printing of course.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:51 | 1128108 Richard Head
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Do you think anyone here cares that someone called "cossack55" hates "Amerika"?  Pathetic attempt at trolling.  Get a real job.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:05 | 1128144 cossack55
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So......refute the statement Dick Head.  I do despise amerika, however, I hold great fondness for a nation once known as America.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:28 | 1128177 chumbawamba
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Do you think anyone here cares that someone uncleverly called "Dick Head" unhates "Amerika"?  What are you?  The last of the neocons?  I'd tell you to get a real job but there are enough cock suckers in the world already.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:35 | 1128302 Max Hunter
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What are you?  The last of the neocons?

Ohhhh no no no no.... There is "Internet Tough Guy" and a few more racist Israhelli Firsters..  The most ironic thing about them all is how they call us racist because we value the lives of brown people as much as whites and jews.. go figure..

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:11 | 1128257 Hansel
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Does Tyler hate "Amerika" when he calls the Bernank "chairsatan" or Obama a liar?  Sometimes the truth hurts.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:31 | 1128289 rwe2late
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 Anyone who supports the endless wars, the endless printing,

and the bloated military

has his/her head on backwards.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:57 | 1127988 oc
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Concrete, Bitchez !

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:15 | 1128163 Sudden Debt
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GO LONG CONTRETE!!

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:59 | 1127989 Carl Spackler-t...
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All this radiation has to be coming from a clean breach in the containment.  The radiation is still increasing when it should be receding with the normal decay rate.  They need to find out where its coming from and until then, spraying water all over the place just makes things worse.  The fact that they are now trying to avoid outright spraying  tells you that they are worried that melted core material is now outside the containment vessel.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:27 | 1128038 Money Squid
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The reporting from all sources confuse the reactor core, reactor vessel, the containment structure surrounding  the reactor vessel, the spent fuel pool and the reactor buildings, the reactor building being the blue and white structures covering the containment and spent fule pool. What is not clear is the location of the explsions in each of the four buildigns - was the explosion in the reactor vessel, in the containment, or in the reactor building? When the pump trucks are sparying water, or the helicopters dropping water, the various reports state they area sparying water on the reactor, which is wrong if the containment structure in intact, or there is too much debris covering the reactor vessel. In other reports it appears the pumper trucks and the helicopter drops are to try to get water into the fuel pools. I think the biggest problem is not the actual reactor vessels, as much as the melting of the fuel in the pools. If the zircaloy clading dissintegrates the the fission products can easily esscape the severly damaged reactor buildings. In addition, if the fuel melts or is too close together there can be re-criticality, which not only is very dangerous to the workers, but emits very high levels of newly created very toxic, short-lived products that easily escape whats left of the reactor buildings. The recent reports of the blue flashes of light could be re-criticality in the fuel pools, or worse, re-criticality of fuel outside the pool structure.

Interesting that the article states that water is preventing the concrete from curing/hardening. The mixture of cement, sand, gavel and water is concrete. The water is added to start the curing process (a chemical process). Concrete is rountinely placed underwater and it hardens just fine. The water does not prevent the concrete from hardening. I doubt the accuracey of the reporting regarding the concrete, there must be some other issue. If concrete is placed, and water is circulating too fast around it, or it is being agitated too much by water being dropped on it, it may wash away or dilute the cement too much making the concete too weak.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:44 | 1128080 chumbawamba
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Thus the reason why dozens of ZH denizens, Chris Martenson, and every other speculating fool on the internet should cease trying to pretend to be architects, engineers and nuclear experts.

Nobody knows what the fuck is going on because nobody is there.

While all these morons sat in front of their computer screens for the past 3+ weeks enrapt in horror, they lost valuable time preparing for a very different world unfolding right before their glazed over eyes.

Get off your guessing asses and just go about your life.  You need to be working in your garden and building shelves to store your long term food supplies.

Time to turn off the disaster porn already.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:08 | 1128147 Subprime JD
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While all these morons sat in front of their computer screens for the past 3+ weeks enrapt in horror, they lost valuable time preparing for a very different world unfolding right before their glazed over eyes.

Brilliantly put. I was thinking the same thing.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:10 | 1128149 Subprime JD
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While all these morons sat in front of their computer screens for the past 3+ weeks enrapt in horror, they lost valuable time preparing for a very different world unfolding right before their glazed over eyes.

Brilliantly put. I was thinking the same thing.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:10 | 1128150 Subprime JD
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While all these morons sat in front of their computer screens for the past 3+ weeks enrapt in horror, they lost valuable time preparing for a very different world unfolding right before their glazed over eyes.

Brilliantly put. I was thinking the same thing.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:04 | 1128236 Matte_Black
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Clearly you were thinking the same thing three separate times too. wow. When you think you do it in fuckin triplicate, dude.

Count me impressed.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:06 | 1128245 Harlequin001
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evidently you were thinking it a lot...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:55 | 1128558 Reptil
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Why would we building shelves (which I've been doing since october), if we didn't know anything was amiss? Moreover I wouldn't know about any concrete, if I wouldn't read this (it's not exactly on the 9 o'clock news now is it), and I'd be like the other sheeple: a little nervous, but in the dark.

Information is king.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:56 | 1128559 trav7777
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My GARDEN?

Good god, man, what the fuck am I to do if my bugout ranch gets contaminated with Cs137?

In fact, FD1 has more than validated my derision toward the madmaxer ammo stackers with farms.

Gardening in a radiological disaster?  How about GTFOing.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 22:59 | 1129111 chumbawamba
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Ever heard of a greenhouse, dipshit?

So, what, now all of a sudden you've lost your head and forgotten that there are simple ways to mitigate little challenges such as radiation in the atmosphere?

Some bad-ass you turned out to be.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 08:19 | 1129205 Golden monkey
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You mean gardening with green glowing water?  

(I don't think pissing in the crop is an option : both PH and radiation could be a problem)

I would also worry for the power supply of your HID lamps, but that's just me.

Starvation will not kill me for sure, but maybe canned food will.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:07 | 1130920 trav7777
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moron...you think I can possibly grow enough food in a greenhouse?  What about my animals?  what about my groundwater?  What about my GROUND, which will dose me every time I step outside?

I hereby suggest every madmaxer have another bugout ranch in order to bugout to from his first bugout ranch.  And so forth.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 04:35 | 1129410 Yen Cross
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It glows you WHIMP.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 04:40 | 1129413 Yen Cross
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You can't even run conjunction funtion. Beat it!

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 06:09 | 1129469 Yen Cross
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Some wise man said you are a SOCIOPATH>

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 08:27 | 1129544 Golden monkey
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If he was a better man, he could have been a bankster...

Can you tell me WTF Obama the good man is about to give free weapons to (Libyan) Muslims, while dreaming of gun control in the US? Leader 50 years ago would say he is NUTS.

I don't think you're a sociopath, I think you're a dumbocrat, which is way worse.

(Moderate voice will do a lot in America's bankrupt)

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 08:36 | 1129545 Golden monkey
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An idiot, given enough authority and power, is much more dangereous than any sociopath.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:45 | 1128087 Fenlander
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I agree.

 

On the radiation "in the air" @ 1 Sievert per hour, what is it composed of?  If very fast decaying materials, well that is possibly manageable (even if only in in a desperation sense).  If the 1 Sievert per hour being leaked is something like Caesium-137, well that's several tens of orders of magnitude worse.

 

Re the concrete, I remember concreting a wooden piling into a jetty my father was building on his small lake.  We got the right "sets underwater" concrete, but we were able to place and pack the concrete very accurately to give it enough local mass underwater to be able to bind to itself.  If we'd tried to spray the concrete from 50 yards away in several 30 minute shifts, I don't think it would have worked.  So either they are not close enough (which is going to lead to someone getting a huge dose of radiation), or they are not going to get it done effectively.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:37 | 1128305 TradingTroll
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Its OK, the Canadian gov't says its OK and we should just shutup and drink the milk. No test needed. Nothing to see here, move along.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:20 | 1128487 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Government; "Do not scare the sheeple".

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:57 | 1128099 Commander Cody
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No makeup water and no cooling for a significant time for 3 reactors = 3 core melts.  All the fuel in reactor 4 was supposedly offloaded to the spent fuel pool (SFP).  The water spraying and helicopter dumps are trying to keep water in the SFPs.  The big questions are:

1) What is the condition of the containments of reactors 1-3?  I suspect Unit 3's containment went kaput in the explosion.  I think the containment dome blew off (Could be the circular object under some rubble on the north end of the reactor building.).

2) Are the SFPs in Units 1, 3 and 4 severely damaged in the explosions?  Seems like some damage is evident in Units 3 and 4.

3) Where the hell is the pit that is leaking?

4) Why hasn't Unit 2's reactor building exploded like its fellow reactor buildings?  Is it possible that it still can?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:07 | 1128244 Money Squid
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If I understand correctly, the "pit" is a concrete lined trench used for cables and piping. The earthquake caused a significant crack in the concrete wall of the pit, maybe through the soil also, allowing highly radioactive water in the pit to leak through the crack in the concrete into the soil and reach the ocean laterally and/or flow vertically to the underlyig groundwater, which at that location is hydrualically connceted to the ocean and will move in and out with the tides.  I do not know if they reported the source of the highly radioactive water flowing in to the pit. Here is a link to the NHK website showing a pic of a worker pointing the the crack http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_21.html

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:59 | 1128125 Eternal Student
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+1. I was wondering if anyone else spotted that about the concrete not hardening "due to water".  It's a clear WTF is really going on over there?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:23 | 1128172 oddjob
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Concrete will set underwater.

Water slows the curing process which actually makes the concrete harder.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:07 | 1128248 Matte_Black
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Clearly you are correct. I wonder if what they mean is that the concrete isn't bonding, and therefore not sealing the crack.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:06 | 1128375 Amish Hacker
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Thanks for that, oddjob. If the concrete is not hardening, it's not because it's wet. It is probably because the temperature is so high the the concrete doesn't have time to cure before it dries out. A couple of other points: concrete is not waterproof, unless special admixtures are used. A stucco house, for example, stays dry inside because there's a waterproof membrane (usually two layers of #15 felt) behind the stucco. The stucco itself is porous to water. So water will move through whatever concrete cap is used, barring additional waterproofing measures.

One other thing abut concrete is that it's not good practice to dump it from up high, e.g. from a helicopter. Even to fill a pier hole, you pour the concrete from the bottom of the hole upwards, ("tremie pour") pulling the pump hose up as you go, so that the water in the hole doesn't mix with the concrete and the impact of the fall doesn't separate the aggregate from the rest of the mix.

I think many people are looking to concrete entombment as an easy, permanent fix, but it's not likely to be either.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 00:38 | 1129222 TerraHertz
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All true. Otoh, wet cement has absolutely no resistance to water PRESSURE. So if the higly contaminated water has some head behind it, it will simply force a path through the wet cement, resulting in cured cement with a water channel through it.

From that picture of the pit, and the description, it appears the pit is right next to the cooling water ocean inlets. So this whole exercise is stupid. Even if they could block the 'crack' the water will just find another path to the sea. Ultimately it could simply back up and reach the surface, and flow across the concrete yard into the sea. Considering it's probably ultimately coming from somewhere above ground level, in the reactor buildings...

Also, the entire area must be dusted with Cs and I isotopes, so ANY runnoff is going to be severely contaminated. And... there's a stormwater channel passing underneath the complex to the ocean. See http://everist.org/pics/Fukushima/Fukushima_water_diag.jpg     Watercourses at Fukushima.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:08 | 1133385 Neutron Ray
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Yes but concrete won't set under fast flowing water. The force of the flow is washing the cement away from the aggerate before it had a chance to cure concrete doesn't "dry" by evaporation.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 17:50 | 1128546 moneymutt
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wet concrete just displaces water normally, usually just a few feet of water, so if it comes out with some pressure/head, it is just pushes water away without water mixing with concrete....but if water is under pressure and can't be displaced by pressure of concrete pumped in I could see the concrete mixing with water and losing is strength, just becoming muddy water with aggregate sand in it.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:03 | 1127997 TheMerryPrankster
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So the reactor is cracked on the bottom and all blowed up on top, but the juicy middle part is still hunky dory?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 15:00 | 1128224 ss123
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After seeing the size of the hydrogen explosions, anyone thinking all was hunky dory with the containment container was an idiot. Those were BFEs.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 00:54 | 1129241 TerraHertz
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The middlepart is always the best.

http://www.blastwave-comic.com/index.php?p=comic&nro=4

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:04 | 1128000 Badabing
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Chernobyl translated to English is wormwood a poison mentioned in the bible.

I wonder what Fukushima means in English?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:05 | 1128004 cossack55
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Welcome, Commander Perry.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:14 | 1128022 TheMerryPrankster
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My "Movers & Shakers of the Western World" deck has him listed as Commodore Perry - just like the computer. I do however have a Commander Cody in my "Musical Greats 1000" perhaps it was he who sailed into Tokyo Bay looking for a donut shop and a cup of tea?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:38 | 1128071 Commander Cody
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No donuts or tea.  3 bennies and wine do yer stuff.  However, my semi truck won't start and I'm down to seeds and stems again.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:16 | 1128161 cossack55
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You, sir, are quite correct. My mistake. Those Navy ranks always screw me up. BTW, I belive he got his donut.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:36 | 1128059 mogul rider
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double hit

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:33 | 1128061 mogul rider
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take the first four letters...........

Yeah god has a funny way of screwing up our day

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:05 | 1128364 pointer
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What does shima mean in english - I'm thinking fuk u shima

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1128395 Selah
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"Island"

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 04:45 | 1129418 Yen Cross
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Lets hit the irradiated hawaiian Islands.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 14:18 | 1133443 Neutron Ray
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Fuku = to wipe; to mop

http://japanese.about.com/od/wordoftheday/p/word144.htm

 

Shima = island

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2217953

 

 Fukushima = To mop island.... how appropriate!

 

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 01:15 | 1129271 Oh regional Indian
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"Blessed Island"

In our time of up is down and bad is good, it probably translates to Cursed Island.

https://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/fukushima-blessed-island-trinity-unleashed/

ORI

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:18 | 1130939 dbTX
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The place could not be more appropriately named.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:05 | 1128002 Pepe
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Immelt going  to Japan  to teach "LYING IN STYLE: SEMINAR

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:47 | 1128093 Kassandra
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Immelt lost the coin toss.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:59 | 1128131 Things that go bump
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I am in favor of sacrificing Immelt to the angry radiation god.  

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:08 | 1128006 bob_dabolina
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The concrete failed? No shit.

Like I've been saying it will be incredibly difficult if not impossible to entomb this area. It will take massive amounts of human casualities possibly thousands or tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands. I'm not fear mongering that's just the fact.

Also from an enviromental standpoint Chernobyl was not right next to the ocean (nor was it right next to one of the largest cities in the world). The sarcof/ entombing Chernobyl is also not air tight by any measure. If you look at some of the video you can see what I'm talkng about. It's really designed to shield the reactor from the wind as so to keep the radioactivity confined as closely as possible to that area. So this  thing will be effecting the ocean for the rest of our lives, and childrens lives, etc, etc, etc. That is also not fear mongering but fact.

Who here really thinks they are going to be able to pick up all the tiny nuclear fuel pellets that were shot all over that area (which can be as small as a pencil eraser)

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:24 | 1128039 malikai
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Add this thing to the list. In the list, you already have PCBs, Dioxin, Mercury, Lead, naval nuclear accidents, military nuclear tests and accidents, and a host of other things I can't think of.

As for for pellets shot all over the area. WTF? Who said there was a core excursion? Citation please.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:45 | 1128078 bob_dabolina
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Total lack of humans in the area.

I don't need to hover over the reactor with a docimeter to figure this shit out.

"Add this thing to the list. In the list, you already have PCBs, Dioxin, Mercury, Lead, naval nuclear accidents, military nuclear tests and accidents, and a host of other things I can't think of."

So your thinking is...

so?, shits already fucked up anyway

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:54 | 1128119 malikai
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Can you demonstrate that there was a core excursion? If not, you're fear mongering.

Shit's either fucked up already, or it's a lot more resistent than some of us would like to believe. I lean a bit towards resistent.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:58 | 1128129 bob_dabolina
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Can you demonstrate there was not a core excursion? If not, you're bull shitting.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:16 | 1128162 malikai
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Oh, I remember this argument. This is the part where you completely ignore the fact that there are workers on site, who are somehow are able to clean the access driveways and set up the water pumps, enter the buildings, basements, pump water to/from the cores, even attempt to reconnect electricity and pour concrete in the containment structure without succombing to radiation from the thousands of pellets laying around. Interesting, indeed. Perhaps the Japanese have some special radiation resistance powers?

Or, there wasn't a core excursion. There was meltdown of several cores and possibly SFPs, as well as a breach of containment at at least one core. This is what the evidence supports.

Why are you trying to lead people down the wrong path? What is the point?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:31 | 1128176 bob_dabolina
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What we don't see:

  • Any people outside the plants working.
  • http://www.zerohedge.com/article/chris-martenson-exclusive-new-photos-fukushima-reactors

    Now, they could be inside the plant...but why wouldn't they be outside preparing for the concrete machinery on its way from around the world and why did their trucks leave without them? The ships have left (1 left quite far away), the trucks were observed to have left...it's all in the article with photos.

    And what proof do you have that workers have not succomed to accute radiation poisoning? I think it's very likely particularly with neutron beams, and all this other shit.

    All you know is what TEPCO tells you. I'm not saying I know anymore but I'm trying to evaluate the evidence that is available, and that evidence points to at least a partial excursion of some kind. There is more evidence in favor of it then against it. I don't know what kind of evidence you want....a photograph of said core excursion from 1 meter away verified by the nearest notary?

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:46 | 1128194 malikai
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    If the core blew up, like in Chernobyl, cleaning that up would be priority 1. No other work could be done until that is complete.

    Cs137 decays in two ways: Cs137->Ba137 or Cs137->Ba137m->Ba137. Ba137m is a gamma emitter (2 minute/~667Kev). People will absolutely limit their exposure to this as much as possible, therefore the fact that we do not see people outside having picknicks, yet we see completed work done to stabilize the site are certifiably good things. It means the workers are limiting exposure while getting shit done.

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 18:44 | 1128674 The Profit Prophet
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    And if we didn't see evidence of this "work", then things would be considerably worse right?  I mean, if there is no evidence that work was being done then the world would have no choice but to conclude that thousands of tons of spent fuel was scattered around the entire area by those massive explosions...right?  That would mean this would be almost impossible to clean-up right?.......which might lead to a global panic right?

    Well all I can say is thank God we have some pictures of unmanned equipment indicating that work is being done at the site!!!!

    T.E.I.N. everyone!

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 21:10 | 1128932 trav7777
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    bob, we want ANY evidence.

    Just because you suggest it's possible, without any proof or evidence to support your case, and then claim that because someone can't prove its not true that this somehow establishes it as probable or conclusively true just doesn't make it so.

    At some point, either begin supporting your claims or STFU.  Stop asking people to prove wrong whatever idiotic notion pops into your brain.  The absence of contrary evidence does not constitute evidence in FAVOR of your position.

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 23:21 | 1129128 chumbawamba
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    You forgot rapes and low graduation rates (even at HBCUs).  I particularly marvel at the ratio of black to white rapes vs white to black...it's a ratio of infinity.  Statistically, there was not even ONE rape by a white man of a black woman in the latest reporting year (resolution is 0-10).  Tens of thousands of the opposite.  Also add drug usage, welfare and SSI fraud, riots, looting, incarceration rates, arrest rates, lower FICO scores (those raycis computers), increased red light and speeding camera ticket rates (raycis computers again).

    ...

    Just because you suggest it's possible, without any proof or evidence to support your case, and then claim that because someone can't prove its not true that this somehow establishes it as probable or conclusively true just doesn't make it so.

    At some point, either begin supporting your claims or STFU.  Stop asking people to prove wrong whatever idiotic notion pops into your brain.  The absence of contrary evidence does not constitute evidence in FAVOR of your position.

    I rest my case, nigger.

    Sun, 04/03/2011 - 21:21 | 1130944 trav7777
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    I never asked anybody to prove me wrong.

    the data is at BJS.  If you actually need a link to it, and are incapable of finding it for yourself, by all means, go ahead and bleat more.

    take a look at the Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2005.

    In Table 42, entitled "Personal crimes of violence, 2005, percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, based on race of victims, by type of crime and perceived race of offender," we learn that there were 111,590 white victims and 36,620 black victims of rape or sexual assault in 2005. (The number of rapes is not distinguished from those of sexual assaults; it is maddening that sexual assault, an ill-defined category that covers various types of criminal acts ranging from penetration to inappropriate touching, is conflated with the more specific crime of rape.) In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.

    Sun, 04/03/2011 - 02:27 | 1129350 bob_dabolina
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    Trav....

    Does it really matter anymore?

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:50 | 1128210 Screwloose
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    Tepco have openly admitted that there's a hole.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-detects-radiation-over-southeast-coastal-areas-asahi-reports-holes-reactor-pressure-ve

    Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) admitted to the possibility in its early March 28 press conference that the steel Reactor Pressure Vessels that hold nuclear fuel rods in the Reactors 1, 2, 3 at Fukushima I Nuclear Plant may have broken. TEPCO explained the situation "Imagine there's a hole." Because of this "hole", contaminated water that's been poured into the Pressure Vessels to cool the fuel rods continues to leak, it is assumed.

    In the Reactors 1, 2, and 3, the water level within the Pressure Vessels are not rising as much as desired. TEPCO admitted in the March 28 press conference that the reason why the Pressure Vessels haven't been filled with water was "probably a hole near the bottom, that's the image we have". Asked why there was a hole, TEPCO answered they did not know.

    The Reactor Pressure Vessels (RPVs) are the most important of the 5-layer protection against radiation leak (other 4 are the fuel pellets, cladding of fuel rods, Container Vessels, and the Reactor buildings). The RPVs at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant is made of 16-centimeter thick steel, and it has an outlet at the bottom to insert measuring instruments. It is possible that the leak is from that area.

    TEPCO also admitted to the possibility of the exposed nuclear fuel rods overheating and damaging the RPVs. According to the nuclear experts, if the fuel rods get damaged and start to melt, it will fall to the bottom of the RPVs and settle. It then becomes harder to cool with water effectively, because the surface area is smaller. It is possible that the melted fuel rods melted the wall of the RPVs with high temperature and created a hole.

    Sun, 04/03/2011 - 01:03 | 1129259 TerraHertz
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    "In the Reactors 1, 2, and 3, the water level within the Pressure Vessels are not rising as much as desired."

    http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v6/Main... Plots of reactor data - Fukushima Daiichi - Units #1--#3

    One of several odd things about these graphs, is ALL 3 pressure vessel water levels are virtually flatline. Even where the graphs show makeup water pumping (and I have no idea how they achieved that, or how valid the data may be.)

    Water levels aren't rising 'as much as desired', they are not rising AT ALL. Either the data is FUBAR, or the spokesperson is lying, or both.

     

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:33 | 1128053 mogul rider
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    I always wondered how they got the caramel in the caramilk bar

    Now I know.

     

    Caramilk bitchez

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 14:56 | 1128217 Herman Strandsc...
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    Now you're talkin'. spray pressurized condensed milk into the buildings and the heat will turn it to toffee. Sorted.

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:45 | 1128083 Ident 7777 economy
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    by bob_dabolina, on Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:08 #1128006

    ... Like I've been saying it will be incredibly difficult if not impossible to entomb this area. It will take massive amounts of human casualities possibly thousands or tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands. I'm not fear mongering that's just the fact.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    In before the Zot ...

     

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:48 | 1128091 Bananamerican
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    "Chernobyl was not right next to the ocean"

    i always thought seafood was overrated anyway

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:50 | 1128439 Max Cynical
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    Why can't these facilities be constructed under ground? If disaster strikes, you could just fill in the entrance shafts...

    Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:08 | 1128008 djsmps
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    Jeff Immelt is Obama's job czar now. Maybe he can create some more Japanese jobs from this.

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