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Attempt To Pour Concrete On Fukushima Pit Crack Generating 1 Sievert/Hour Fails; New Unmanned Drone Photos Of Reactors
After prior reports that radiation in and around Fukushima had breached the dreaded barrier of 1 sievert/hour were attributed to some PR apparatchik not knowing how to carry the decimal comma, we once again get confirmation that previous attempts to refute what some saw merely as scaremongering, were in fact more lies. According to Reuters, the soon to be nationalized TEPCO said it had found a crack in the pit at its No.2 reactor in Fukushima, generating readings 1,000 millisieverts (1 sievert) of radiation per hour in the air inside the pit. "With radiation levels rising in the seawater near the plant, we have been trying to confirm the reason why, and in that context, this could be one source," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said on Saturday. He cautioned, however: "We can't really say for certain until we've studied the results." Since at this point nobody believes anything coming out of Japan and TEPCO, most are just expecting for the concrete to come: "TEPCO has begun pouring concrete into the pit to stop the leak, he said." Alas, as always happens when horrible plans go awry, this latest attempt to fix the problem with the nuclear (pardon the pan) "solution" is failing. "Public broadcaster NHK said late on Saturday that
water was preventing the concrete from hardening and the pit was still
leaking." In other words, recent horrendously planned attempts to cool the reactor by pumping water on it may well scuttle the Plan Z option of entombing the reactor. And if that doesn't work, then Japan is straight out of plans.
From Reuters:
Nishiyama said that to cool the damaged reactor, NISA was looking at alternatives to pumping in water, including an improvised air conditioning system, spraying the reactor fuel rods with vaporized water or using the plant's cleaning system.
As the disaster that has left 28,000 dead or missing dragged into a fourth week, Prime Minister Naoto Kan toured devastated coastal towns in northern Japan on Saturday, offering refugees government support for rebuilding homes and livelihoods.
"It will be kind of a long battle, but the government will be working hard together with you until the end," Kyodo news agency quoted him as telling people in a shelter in Rikuzentakata, a fishing port flattened by the tsunami which struck on March 11 after a massive earthquake.
Unpopular and under pressure to quit or call a snap poll before the disaster, Kan has been criticised for his management of the humanitarian and nuclear crisis. Some tsunami survivors said he came to visit them too late.
Adding insult to injury, tax avoider extraordinaire (whose tax gimmicks apparently only made waves recently despite Zero Hedge writing about GE's tax code frivolity back in October 2010), Jeff Immelt, whose GE is the company that built the Fukushima reactors, is now going to meet with TEPCO for some pep talk. Which makes sense: it takes one partially nationalized company to know another partially nationalized company.
General Electric Co Chief Executive Jeff Immelt is headed to Japan to meet with officials including executives at Tokyo Electric Power Co which operates the Fukushima power plant that is the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl.
"He is going to Japan to meet with customers, partners and employees. He does have a meeting with Tepco," company spokeswoman Deirdre Latour said on Friday.
Engineers at GE, which designed the reactors used in the Fukushima plant, have been advising on response to the nuclear crisis, but not directly, instead working through Hitachi Ltd (6501.T), GE's joint venture partner in the nuclear business, GE spokesmen have said.
The chief executive of French reactor maker Areva (CEPFi.PA), Anne Lauvergeon, has already appeared in Japan, saying on Thursday that she wanted to send staff to help handle the crisis.
And while the world now refuses to care any more, confident that the concrete entombing of Fukushima will be the end of that particular nasty story, we wonder just how one can entomb all the affected areas as seen below via this unmanned drone overflight (via Cryptome).
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You know if they would of used JBWeld on that crack, in 45 minutes they'd be ready to start using that excess heat for a massive BBQ for all the hearty workers that gave it hell and made it bend once again to the will of man.
JBWeld - caution may contain chemicals banned in California and the outer planets.
They make concrete that cures even if completely submersed in water. If these retards didn't know that the water they had pumped in there had pooled, and then used conventional concrete (probably to save a buck or two) they should be fitted with concrete shoes and dropped off in the ocean.
Only thing I can think of is if the water is still moving or being agitated, it could mess up the hardening process. The presence of water alone should not be a problem if they are using the right kind of cement.
"..if they are using the right kind of cement".
Since TEPCO & the Japanese government seem to be stubbornly focused on achiving the Darvin Awards' Most Revered status, I doubt that the proper concrete was used.
While I could care less TEPCO officals drop dead, they appear to be bound and determined to take the rest of us with them. Which is starting to piss me off.
"While I could care less TEPCO officals drop dead, they appear to be bound and determined to take the rest of us with them. Which is starting to piss me off."
Look up Amakudari (Descent from Heaven). Using Canadian examples, its like politicians put out to pasture at Air Canada (Vancouver-Hawaii tickwet $1000 on AC, Bellingham-Hawaii $250 opn Alaska Air).
TEPCO is one of the top Amakudari destinations in Japan.
These numbskulls are just politicians/civil servants who warmed a seat for 50 years. They are the same dumbasses who sit in Health Canada and dont test the milk. Basically these chum (yes, they should be copped and fed to sharks) have taken over our economies.
If there is a God, God help us.
"Since TEPCO & the Japanese government seem to be stubbornly focused on achiving the Darvin Awards' Most Revered status, I doubt that the proper concrete was used."
blahahaha....thanks for that :)
Man, this shit just wont get fixed will it...
Thing is about the concrete, are they able to do the prepratory work in order to contain the concrete in the area needing to be plugged? Simply pouring concrete in the general area of this cracked basin already water filled just might not be able to do the job. No worker is going to get in there drain the basin and set up forms to get a nice patch. It is the radioactive danger that prevents solving all the problems. They require hands on at the point of the problem. So I expect constant trouble for god knows how long. You can't fix these many problems from a safe distance.
Maybe they could put Cat Litter, or pot noodle in to soak up the moisture before the concrete is squirted?
Scaremongerers...
Bitchez...
whats the difference?
We are all fubar by now anyhow.
Slowly but surely rads keep ticking in.
Nobody even cares.
Why should stocks care?
Google bacterial death and find logarithmic growth followed by logarithmic auto-death due to accumulated toxins.
Whats the agenda of TD anyhow?
Just a truthwarrior with no vested interest?
ZH is my all time #1 fav site, but still, does it even exist?
Death and taxes man
Death and taxes
The only truths that count
Bullish for equities!
"And while the world now refuses to care any more, confident that the concrete entombing of Fukushima will be the end of that particular nasty story,"
Actually I noticed that Fox News and the CBC news here in Canada is getting a little concerned again about the story. The msm may be slow and in the tank for their corporate and political interests but they're having trouble ignoring this. I predict they'll have no choice but to start covering the story again. Great work by folks like Zero Hedge keeping the story going, you're way ahead of the curve.
Nuclear disasters are not circus shows as much as the media and government wishes they were.
fair enough but information and transparency are very important during a nuclear crisis or a potential one.
I wonder what is causing the oil slick in the water. I don't remember seeing that before. That to me implies rainwater runoff from the plant, which indicates an additional source of Cs and Sr in the water.
Doubt it's oil. Diesel fuel spill from broken tanks should have been swept away long ago.
There's a lot of it, and its on both sides of the seawall. It really makes me think runoff. I thought sites like these had runoff management systems in place. Perhaps the tsunami inundated everything and surface material at the site is pouring into the sea everytime it rains (or water leaks from a core/SFP).
Hasn't been a good week for Imelt, stories about GE not paying taxes in the US and now he has to deal with a meltdown. I bet he really would like his life back.
Go long concrete, at this rate they may use the entire Japanese inventory of concrete on this single project.
If these guys start to attack the British mainland, the decline of the UK economy could be accelerated...
"A 25-year-old police officer has been killed after a bomb exploded under his car in Omagh, County Tyrone.
The device exploded under the vehicle outside his home in Highfield Close, off the Gortin Road, just before 1600 BST on Saturday." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12947225
A 25 year old who lived with his mum. He had only been in the job for three weeks.
What is wrong with those idiots?
Don't they know they are a small faction of a small island of a former world power?
Blowing off policeman's legs or killing them - how pointless.
What, they are doing this to everyday beat cops instead of their Bankers?
Brilliant.
If they really want to battle "oppression" of their culture they should be blaming Rome (as in the Romans).
"What, they are doing this to everyday beat cops instead of their Bankers?
Brilliant."
Well said. Banksters are festering pustules on the sore of society. For any healing to occur, they must be excised.
Exactly. However, bankers being used to thinking a little ahead, are probably arranging to blow up a few policemen (especially young innocent ones) in order to get the police hating the people, and more than happy to defend the bankers against the anarchist bastard masses.
This is how the world works.
What, they are doing this to everyday beat cops instead of their Bankers?
While the deteriorating economy may be caused by Wall Street and Washington, local governments are doing nothing to counteract it, often adding to the problem by raising taxes to make up for lower tax revenues.
Wall Street and Washington folks are well protected from the people they are abusing. But local government folks aren't so well protected. As time goes along and things continue deteriorating I anticipate more backlash directed at local government folks.
3 weeks? How many innocents did he arrested?
In Canada, they arrest one innocent each 52 minutes.
I wonder what Fukushima means in English?
Hay I found it, it’s “good fortune island”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima
Is that like "Green"land?
what's japanese for "bad luck island"? FuckMEshima?
...it’s “good fortune island”
Are you sure that didn't read "Irony Island"?
The efforts are kabuki, as everyone knows.
TEPCO, which is not stupid, wanted to withdraw its people as of day 3 of this disaster. The government refused and told them to keep at it.
So they have, doing useless stuff like wiring up dead control rooms and examining ruined turbine halls.
The reactors are still entirely wrecked and spraying water on the corpses will not resurrect them.
The most useful thing they could do, imo, is to set up as much multiply redundant automated cooling as possible for the cooling pools.
When the radioactivity on the site gets too high even for jumpers, it would help to have some reassurance that the several thousand tons of fuel in the cooling pools will continue to slumber safely under their cooling blkanket of water.
Just to add scale, the Chernobyl reactor that exploded only had about 190 tonsd of fuel in it.
Add this to the Kabuki Theatre: I'm sure our (USA) satellites can read the heat blooms from the various cores and fuel pools perfectly well, and we can probably also read the rad levels on site and in the surrounding water. So, (big surprise), IMHO Uncle Sam is complicit in the ineptitude by not telling the world what the real hazards are.
I am so tired of the lies......
If the chemical composition of gaseous clouds in faraway galaxies can be identified, then they know exactly what the fuck is coming out of those reactors. As expected, they're hiding it. It's what they do--lie and obfuscate. It's their MO. They are at war with us. And they are winning. A shitstorm is coming.
Exactly!!!! Well except that the Shitstorm began in 2007. This is the scene where the Death Star has justed cleared the moon and is in position to unload the final solution on the unsuspecting planet.
Not just a shitstorm, but a Catergory-5 Shit-icane. Good thing ZH is all over it like a Shit-hawk...
Shit-icanes only occur in the atlantlic. In the pacific they are called shit-phoons.
just sayin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuedGDhkQKg
hahahahahahahaaaa....
I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage, sir. Shit-icane it is.
I was initially going to say shit-nami, but I felt it might be insensitive given the subject of the article. Lord knows fine craftsmen of expletives and abuse are in short supply these days.
throw gold bars onto the reactors, which would melt, then hose down with water to harden. then let comex know the new location of their vault!
Your suggestion is interesting but surely will not work. Why? Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metals (6,192 degrees Farenheit).
Good one!
Gold... tungsten... what's the difference!
Ha! That made me laugh!
We're fresh out of gold, but we have plenty of gold-plated tungsten!
These would be a great addition to JPM's new Comex vault! Liquid Gold Bitchez!
May be that is the reason Egyptians built so many pyramid entombments.
Interestingly, we don't have a crane in the world big enough to build a copy of an egyption pyramid. Apparently?
Interestingly, we don't have a crane in the world big enough
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Nor the time; how many centuries did it take to build the pyramids?
"It will be kind of a long battle, but the government will be working hard together with you until the end,"
This gave me a chill.
ah, the buddy system...
The "War on Radiation" has officially begun.
OK, so they build special vehicles & containers to move nuke fuel to functioning cooling ponds.
Maybe trucks with interchangeable, lead shielded cabs, so the vehicle is radioactive but the drivers (& cabs) are safely rotated.
But, this means real leadership & innovation, which are in short supply in Japan.
That fissioning fuel will overheat & crack concrete.
It's well beyond being contained for shipment. As I understand it, there is one reactor that may have already melted through the containment steel. What makes you think it can be shipped?
The rods in cooling ponds that were scattered during explosions should be movable.
Geiger counters to find, robot arms grab & place in tungsten can (6000+ F melt temp) , then drive to nearest intact nuke plant & drop in cooling pool.
The cores are heavier & hotter. If they've broken open & melted into separate blobs, that solves the weight problem. If under 6000 F, the tungsten scoops & cans solve the heat problem.
1) Many of the fuel rods are compromised in such a manner that it might be like picking up sand with a pitch fork.
2) We have yet to see how miserably the radiation robotos are going to perform in the hostile environment and I'm not talking about radiation. I doubt these units will be very helpful trying to navigate and clear the massive and varied debris field by remote. All the robots I've seen are going to rely on a pretty flat and open terrain to operate with any form of efficiency.
3) While melted brittle blobs of fuel may solve the "weight problem" it is going to be a lot more complicate and much more time consuming to collected all the pieces from the debris filled pools.
4) Hot reactor fuel is stored and transported in special "indestructible" airtight casks an improvised tungsten can isn't going to cut it you can't just toss a bunch of blobs of melted spent fuel in a can just because the container won't melt you'll leave a trail of heavy contamination all the way to the reprocessing facility. There is a reason they transport intact fuel in special containers that took years to design and test because they are dangerous melted and breached fuel cores would be deadly.
5) No cooling facility is going to want broken open melted fuel blobs contaminating their crowded SFP's. In addition the fuel blobs will need to be stored properly they don't just drop spent fuel cores haphazardly into their cooling pools. Storing reactor fuel that has melted in unconventional shapes is going to complicate the crowded SFP storage layout. There is no reason to spread the contamination to clean facilities they need a temporary on-site melted blob cooling pool but that would require an "expert" with brains to come up with that gem and TEPCO is fresh out of brainy experts. Shit they haven't even figured out how to wrap a diaper on this baby or get water and power back up after three weeks. My prediction is the land based robots will be next to useless for just about everything but general radiation detection and taking pictures.
http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-transp.html
BTW would people stop suggesting that we nuke the problem a nuclear explosion would only completely vaporise (not destroy) the thousands of tons of radioactive fuel on site making it a giant super dirty bomb.
Nuking the nukes might be the solution!
A suitcase nuke blast would vaporize the reactors & their fuel, at a cost of more radiation up front.
Make it a neutron bomb so the radiation dissapates fast.
If everyone in a safe radius is evacuated, it might work.
awesome work TD!
Pan perdend Tyler san
There are currently 4 theories out there.
1. This is all just an accident and Japan will slowly sink into the sea. Problem is, the U.S. West coast, its breadbasket, parts of Mexico and North Africa will be contaminated.
2. This was an attack on Japan done by HAARP to shrink the Japanese and US population. A means to contaminate the gene pool. Carried out by conspirators within the military who are payed by the "elite" (Rockefeller, Rothschild & co, or Agenda 21 by the UN). Problem is, the U.S. West coast, its breadbasket, parts of Mexico and North Africa will be contaminated.
3. This was an attack on Japan done by HAARP. A means to contaminate the breadbasket of the US and Mexico. Carried out by conspirators within the military who are payed by the US agriculture monopolies concentrated in India. Problem is, the U.S. West coast, its breadbasket, parts of Mexico and North Africa will be contaminated.
4. Both 2 & 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKE5zu6PRGY
3. This was an attack on Japan done by HAARP.
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Riddle me how something located in Alaska that can't see the sky over Japan that affects the ionosphere (HAARP's antennas point UP and can steer +- 30 degrees from bore-sight) can effect what?
What are you saying?
Are you just repeating the bleating of others?
Are you just repeating the bleating of others?
yes
The theory (such as it is) has the HAARP installation able to operate in two modes:
* Standard radio waves. Phased array, can direct an RF in any upwards direction into the ionosphere for research, per it's publicly stated purpose.
* The 'fringe science' mode- Scalar EM. These are effectively energy waves in the space-time metric. Postulated to be generated by crossed-field antennas. In this view HAARP is able to function as a Scalar Wave phased transmitter array. Scalar waves travel through anything (they are kind of like gravity waves.) So the HAARP array could point at Japan, or NZ, or Haiti, etc.
There are various 'theories' (handwaving only) about how a Scalar Wave 'ray gun' (if that's what HAARP is) could cause earthquakes. Too lengthy to relate here. Look up the story of Tesla's earthquake device, it's possibly related. Another (very weird) source is T E Bearden.
For the record, I don't believe this stuff. Just find it interesting to track.
* The 'fringe science' mode- Scalar EM. These are effectively energy waves in the space-time metric. Postulated to be generated by crossed-field antennas. In this view HAARP is able to function as a Scalar Wave phased transmitter array. Scalar waves travel through anything (they are kind of like gravity waves.) So the HAARP array could point at Japan, or NZ, or Haiti, etc.
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PURE science fiction (which you know) ... if it's not detailed by Lorentz, Gauss and Maxwell (as proven by Heinrich Hertz and Marconi) in their work one can be pretty well assured it's pure sci fi ...
I'd like to see these conspiracy types 'explain' how so-called 'scaler waves' are created by the aluminum crossed-dipole antennas making up the HAARP 12 x 15 array of antennas each fed with RF output from those tube-type 10,000 Watt transmitters ...
They should be able to do it with no more than an old Kenwood TS-520 and a simple dipole antenna cut for 40 Meters (7 MHz) ...
Science Fiction has a funny way of becoming Science Reality.
Not saying it's not just a figment of some people's imagination. Just saying lots of science fiction in the past is now reality.
But I'm still waiting for my Jetsons fantacy to come true, specifically Rosie and a Jetcar would be nice.
Science Fiction has a funny way of becoming Science Reality.
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Still waiting for that 'demo' by the conspriracy crowd re: 'scalar waves' being produced from the RF apparatus known as HAARP ...
See, there's a) full-fillable fantasy and then there's b) just sheer 'make believe'.
Those folks, the 'HAARP' conspiracy crowd are the latter b) ...
I already pointed out, too, that any 'effect' that HAARP is accused of 'creating' can be replicated in your (or anyone's) backyard using a dipole antenna driven by a 1980's era tube-type PA ham radio transceiver (like the vintage Kenwood TS-520) ...
Unless you believe your 'magic' can affect me without me 'believing' your 'magic' (but that would be in the realm of 'voodoo dolls', a whole 'nother thing than sci-fi).
Kenwood TS-520 radio:
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/ts520.html
http://www.k4eaa.com/
Don't fuck with voodoo dolls man. That shit's real.
Belief is a powerful force, more powerful force than all the Fukushima's put together, it's the force that is behind the element Male-ium entering into binding contracts with Female-ium and that is powerful stuff to be messing with, belief in it or not ...
It's not related at all. Tesla's "earthquake" device was a simple mechanical oscillator that could shake a building support (his experiment) or a bridge span (as 'Mythbusters' once demonstrated) by resonating at the mechanical resonant frequency of the object to which it was attached.
It's quite a stretch to equate such a mechanical device with electromagnetic "scalar waves" that are allegedly synonymous with "gravity waves" (which are theoretical and have never been detected) and "can travel through anything"!
For a start, electromagnetic waves do not travel far under water. Secondly, tectonic plates are irregularly shaped, so they do not have a single resonant frequency like a building support or a bridge span. Thirdly, even if they did have a resonant frequency, at thousands of miles across and hundreds of miles thick, their resonant frequency would be minute fractions of a hertz (the wavelength of a tsunami wave is generally up to several hundred miles!).
My understanding of HAARP is that it combines high frequency experiments in the upper atmosphere with the Australian-developed 'Over The Horizon Radar' ... both of which are high frequency applications (wavelengths from tens of metres down to centimetres).
HAARP could not generate earthquakes under thousands of feet of water and hundreds of miles of crust from thousands of miles away by using radio waves. This doesn't mean that the borg might not have set off an atomic device down in the crust to provoke a quake (though I imagine that this would have been picked up by seismographs all over the planet).
I am concerend that if too many Japanese move to the otherside of the island it will tip over and capsize
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksYHnDgVoeY
Need to hang that sign at every lotto machine, liquor counter and scrap metal shop. Give their survivors unlimited amounts on their Link cards and we should be on our way to a solution!
we found something to hire American workers for
Immelt's creating jobs afterall.
Listen, I can promise you I'm the most Japan-sympathetic person around here, in general, and to this situation
BUT THIS IS GETTING FUCKING RIDICULOUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh just cut me.
"The rewards: Higher than normal pay and the challenge of solving a major crisis" From the above article I just posted.
I must be in a coma because this just can't be real.
My mind is slipping over the event horizon, too, bob dabolina. Life on earth is becoming totally surreal.
I could use some peyote right about now.
Bring enough for everyone, please. Some shrooms would also be appreciated.
This situation is not ridiculous. It is worse than ridiculous. I would like to know about radiation in the water and in the ocean. Especially the Ocean, considering that is where a lot of nuke tests are done. What islands in the Pacific have had this happen? There is just so much we the people simply do not know. And how many tests are done a year and when? Guess we the minions do not get to know such things.
Surely GE will get caught by the AMT like the rest of us constitutionally protected citizens.
Surely GE will get caught by the AMT like the rest of us constitutionally protected citizens.
They should invest more money in their media blackout efforts.
I bet if they pay a billion to google, facebook, twitter that this "hickup" will be forgotten in 2 weeks from now.
After that they should erase it from the tourist guidebooks, and in 1 year nobody will even know what Fukijablajabla means or is.
So, can everyone finally agree that Nuclear Boy did in fact take a poo, and that it blew out of his diaper?
Just a question, as the reactor is still hot, pumping concrete won't make the concrete melt too? Or worst, won't this create a cap where the h2 from the water the reactor will evaporate and transform it into gas,increate the internal pressure until all the 6 reactor blow japan out into a million pieces ?
Yeah, no idea how they would handle this unless they just stop pumping water into the reactor and let the existing water boil off, and *then* seal it up.
Also, from what I understand there are two sources of heat that the reactors could generate; decay heat from the fuel itself and the heat that would come from criticality/fission. As long as the fuel in the reactors doesn't reach criticality somehow, I am not sure if the decay heat would be enough to melt a concrete entombment.
Does anyone know how much fuel was actually left in Chernobyl versus what was blown out when the reactor exploded?
I forget where I read it the other day, but supposedly 90% of the material remains at Chernobyl.
Think of it more of a concrete box to block radiation. There's a good youtube video of scientists recently walking inside of Chernobyl. It's not a solid piece of concrete.
This is getting friggin scary now.......
If there's a full meltdown which breaches the core and containment vessel, the following link explains the next steps pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)#Corium-concrete_interactions
Complete melt-through can occur in several days even through several meters of concrete; the corium then penetrates several meters into the underlying soil, spreads around, cools and solidifies. Large amounts of hydrogen can be produced.
The fast erosion phase of the concrete basemat lasts for about an hour and progresses into about one meter depth, then slows to several centimeters per hour, and stops completely when the melt cools below the decomposition temperature of concrete (about 1100°C / 2012°F).
The well-known chernobyl "Elephant's Foot" structure is composed of two metric tons of black lava, forming a multilayered structure similar to tree bark. It is said to be melted 2 meters deep into the concrete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82GkhcqDKw
Colored dye. Maybe they should put some different dye into the water in each plant. That might help them identify the source of the leak.
ml8,
They won't bother. Makes too much sense. Seriously.
I stead of dye as a tracer I think TEPCO is going with massive amounts of radiation. They have plenty of it, they have the detectors onsite, and they need to get rid of a lot of it.
Xenon-132 is the product of 133 which has a short half live. 132 is stable (if I understand this correctly).
Does anyone know any health problems with 132 for plants or animals?
The "noble" elements don't combine with much of anyting. In fact Xenon is the one exception and it is not too exceptional. It doesn't combine with much of anyting.
the lemming effect at the most extreme, kind of reminiscent of Chernobyl.
http://covert2.wordpress.com
likely there are floor drains in the reactor buildings that
were designed into the structure to facilitate house keeping,
cleaning of the equipment and floor. these were never to see
any radioactive material, only wash waste water. this is typical
in construction even involving indoor hazardous material storage.
what would contain the hazardous material would be second and tertiary
containment systems. i have no idea if this is the case here
but it is a typical construction feature.
these potential floor drains would then either discharge to ground
or to a treatment system. perhaps a separator or monitor tank
system. releases, fugitive, could be encountered anywhere given
explosive damage but the plan of design would point in the right direction.
then again the discharge might be, as designed, directly into the ocean.?
There is concrete designed to cure under fresh water. There is concrete designed to cure under sea water at extreme depths. I am not aware of ANY concrete that is designed to cure while being exposed to high levels of radiation and radioactive isotope concentrations while under water. These levels of radiation have profound effects on material properties.
The issue here is NOT that it will cost lives to fix it (leaving aside the completely ridiculous numbers that have been put forth).
This is THE economic Black Swan that event the ChairSatan cannot override. Japan's earthquake/tsunami/reactor fiasco total cost will be between one to two trillion U.S. dollars. The Japanese government can not acknowledge the scope of the problems at Fukushima because the G-7 will cut off financial support if they do.
The other side of the devil's bargain they have made is the longer they put off starting to REALLY fix Fukushima, the more it will cost. Fixing Fukushima requires that they stop making the problem worse by dumping tons of water on it. They are now making more radioactive contaminated by-products on a daily basis than can be effectively addressed.
Everything contaminated will need to be removed, treated and/or encapsulated and removed to a long term storage facility (that is a world class problem in its own right). Ground water contamination will take years to remediate and in the interim will make a huge area uninhabitable for practical purposes.
Concrete entombment is the "fu@k it and forget it" engineering approach. Works great if you are Russia and figure the Ukraine can worry about it for the next thousand years. It does not work well within your own territory. The good news is that the demand for high level stainless steel vessels would go through the roof. The bad news is those stainless steel vessels will not be making any downstream products that add value - so it is a net drag on the global economy and a big inflation factor on the cost of stainless steel. [Bsllpark SWAG - based on current shop production capacity of nuclear level-stainless steel facilities; about a 30% cost increase over a three year time period from the point when the real truth comes out]
AREVA, Fluor and some other publicly traded companies have the knowledge and people to fix this problem.
For the trolls (and yes, you know who you are): Many years ago I was involved in these types of projects. I am not going to say more than that a) because I signed agreements that said I would not and b) you are internet trolls
For Tyler regarding disclosure: I do not have any positions long or short in AREVA, Fluor, engineering companies, stainless steel production facilities or any company that can be reasonably foreseen as benefitting from this disaster. I do not have any relationship in any form that would work to either my benefit or detriment with any of the aforementioned.
barliman
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo200/pawnhaus_pa/undergroundshot.jpg
Adjust for seismology/geology;yield/depth (subsidence>expulsion)
then again perhaps fuel rods of different kinds were
blown all over in the explosions and the sources of radiation
are everywhere in the vicinity?
Are scattered into the ocean current and ready to feck us all!
BP and the Gulf of Mexico disaster did so much harm to a large part of the States. Now we have Japan. Both tragedies are energy related and caused unprecendent human, economical and environmental harm.
The end of cheap energy is having a horrific cost on us and the planet.
airstrike next
<sarcasm>Does this mean that record numbers of people will rent The China Symdrome from Netflix? In today's markets, that's bullish for Netflix stock.</sarcasm>
Here are a few things that might help contain the radiation being emitted by the Fukushima plant:
Kirk out!
The true reason behind Tepco's inaction is very logical - they are waiting for Bendover Ben to take the Fukushima site as just another toxic asset to be hidden in the Fed's Magic Sarcophagus along with all the other poisonous debts and worthless real estate deposited there by the TBTF banksters the past few years...
OK, so I said they should entomb the damn things at least two weeks ago, but do they listen to me? OK boys, here's a new idea .... just nuke the damn things.
Areva informative? Go back to CNN. They are just a mouthpiece for the nuclear industry. Wake up sheeple! Not much time left!!
Nothing a few billion tons of concrete can't fix. Time to long concrete.
A bit more details with photo and diagram. TEPCO says it didn't occur to them that the pipe trench and the electrical trench were connected near this pit, and didn't bother to test the pit water until one day later on April 2.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-concrete-fill....
great link.
"the blueprint doesn't exist", or maybe the blueprint got wrecked by the tsunami?
First they asked the french for help and now they are contemplating using an air conditioning system to cool the reactor down. People, if you haven't figured it out by now, we are utterly fucked! PANIC! Run for your lives!
I feel trapped in a Twilight Zone episode
TEPCO's VP admitted the other day in the press conference, albeit obliquely, that the condenser and the pump system that goes with it may not be working, and they have to find a way to cool the reactor. I don't think anyone paid attention to that, and it was not reported in the press.
But the people who have followed the accident closely and critically in Japan have been saying that is the case. Now TEPCO has admitted. I will watch the presser again and may post later.
Their CEO's in the hospital after having locked himself in his office for roughly a week. He must know how deeply fecked they are and doesn't have the courage to pull out the sword and do himself in.
Maybe they could put a tarp over the buildings and vent the gas into someplace safer. Filter it or something.
Sound silly. Maybe; do you have a better idea then venting into the open air. Concrete will not stop the venting. So controling the venting is the next best thing.
Im sure NASA could come up with a good tarp (gold foil) or something that would work.
The leaking into the ocean is a tougher nut. You could wall of that area of the ocean and try to treat it.
Not that anyone wants ideas from the peanut gallery, still you never know.
Not such a bad idea at all - they are going to have to stop the on-going airborne emissions somehow, or an even larger land area is going to become seriously contaminated.
The only problem with fully-enclosed tents and domes is that they would trap the spewing radiation and very quickly become uninhabitable for the workers. Draping a tarp structure over the top of each source and then sucking the air from under it into a manifold is, however, technically feasible.
If they're still usable, there will already be filter/scrubber systems at the plant that can wash nearly all of the radioactive particles out of the collected air before release. They're then going to have to dump that contaminated wash water into the lagoon in front of the plant - not a good option, but they ran out of those a long time ago.
A large stretch of the coast near the plant will have to be fenced off for ever - but there are already several areas in the world where the beaches are off-limits to everyone but nuclear clean-up workers sweeping them daily for any hot particles washed-up; so what's one more.
Follow up on those minor details like dosimeters and lunch and radiation monitoring systems. Yomiuri telephone-interviewed a TEPCO PR manager at the plant, who assured Yomiuri everything was now improving. Dosimeters miraculously appeared (only after they got busted) and workers are now eating lunch. My blog:
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-yomiuri.html
I sure hope workers do have full-body anti-radiation suits... (My bet on the next missing item).
What matters is if they cool down the reactor or not. Why they have not injected sand-boron-concret to cool the reactor until now?
chernobil's melt down was stopped by sand. the mass hit the sand around and below it and turned to lava and ended up encased in glass. it is still encased but the material is developing holes , like cheese. sand might allow them to contain it until they can think of some way of dealing with the long term.
Slightly OT, it shows how Mother Nature handled and started this shit.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,326084,00.html
googletranslate if you only understand Wienerschnitzelsauerkrautstrahlenkanone
Well done ZH!
Here's one view from Japan attacking the US embassy's "hyperbole" and accusing them of creating the crisis where there's none, staunchily defending the Japanese government and TEPCO and corporate big shots for being such "responsible" people (don't laugh), written by an American (half Japanese half American) living in Japan for the past 30 years or so. He runs a talent and media agency in Tokyo. That this article appears at Lewrockwell.com hugely disappoints me, but oh well.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers245.html
Maybe Ben Bernanke could fly over in his helecopter and sprinkle a few trillion dollars on it. Entomb the reactors in cash. Money fixes everything, right? I guess this is when QE goes nuclear.
Let's see how the Japanese people react when this toxic shit cloud starts waifing over the mainland instead of out over the Pacific Ocean. The SHTF finally soon, as the people panic over REAL the real radiation numbers, not the fakeshit Govt. figures...
does anyone know when the seasonal winds are expected to shift and carry this stuff inland?
I bet it is a SFP problem...maybe a crack.
This is the ultimate Catch .22. Without water in the ponds, you have no shielding; ambient radition makes access to the immediate site impossible. And you risk an eventual high temperature fire which would expel lots of core components.
If the SFP is cracked and you spray water, you end up with a ton of highly radioactive water containing core components all over everything, radiation released is apeshit.
Thus, the need to encase these things in some kind of binding resin or concrete, just for the purpose of immobilizing them so then you can cool and get water shielding, effect a pond repair, and then go forward.
In one of the videos Gunderson did on the 31st he highlights the SFP with the crane in it. The picture shows what looks like the storage rack. It's exposed and steam is clearly rising, but it looks like it's at least somewhat still intact.
Asahi has several photos of this pit. I posted some on my post and link to asahi.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-photos-of-pit....
Very good presentation about the Fukushima crisis on Friday at the University of Melbourne School of Engineering by four eminent scholars. Particularly interesting presentation by Iven Mareels, Dean of Biomedical Engineering, who estimates the likelihood of a meltdown at the various reactors – reactor 1, around 70 percent, reactor 2 around 30 percent, and reactor 3, probably 100 percent.
Listen to talks and slides at :
http://www.eng.unimelb.edu.au/nuclear/FukushimaFactsFallout.mp4
You people are smart. I love you! And those piss ant moderators at FOX are gone. Rock on BITCHES!
Japan buys giant pumps for Fukushima - World’s largest pumps will be flown to Japan on world’s largest jet http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japan-buys-giant-concrete-pumps-for-fukushima-2011-04-01 Japan government doubts Tepco's radiation analysis http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japan-government-doubts-tepcos-radiation-analysis-2011-04-01