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Austin, TX Crashed Pilot's Suicide Note

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Austin Texas pilot Joe Stack's suicide note (h/t Market Ticker).

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why
did this have to happen?”  The simple
truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time.  The writing process, started many months
ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that
there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really
broken.  Needless to say, this rant
could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it.  I find the process of writing it
frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross
inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in
my head.  Exactly what is therapeutic
about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would
be no society, only anarchy.  Sadly,
starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe
that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for
justice for all.  We are further
brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should
be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its
founding fathers.  Remember? One of
these was “no taxation without representation”.  I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap
from only a few years of my childhood. 
These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly
labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had
their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great
degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any
matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind.  Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or
anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit
unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of
years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of
their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal
government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours?  Yet at the same time, the joke we call the
American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are
murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and
victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as
bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. 
Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving
scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after
year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”.  It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the
dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant
conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system?  Here we have a system that is, by far, too
complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand.  Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its
victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not
even the experts understand.  The law
“requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say
truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress”
than what is.  If this is not the
measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here? 

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in
the early ‘80s.  Unfortunately after
more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd,
pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English.  Some friends introduced me to a group of
people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.  In particular, zeroed in on a section
relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar,
corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. 
We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”,
high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do
exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from
our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the
name of God).  We took a great deal of
care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the
law said it was to be done.

The intent of this
exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the
laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of
people who earn an honest living. 
However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations”
for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the
monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is
still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years
of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0.  It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country
with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie.  It also made me realize, not only how naive
I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they
buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they
continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all
that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of
the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984
after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of
“paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream
of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I
should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination
for creative problem solving from my father. 
I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later
during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on
my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.  My neighbor was an elderly retired woman
(80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired
steel worker.  Her husband had worked
all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big
business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a
pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement.  Instead he was one of the thousands who got
nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to
mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their
retirement.  All she had was social
security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was
living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to
splurge) for months at a time.  When I
got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight
than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of
me).  I was genuinely appalled at one
point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our
situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I
would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all
my substance from peanut butter and bread. 
I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made.  I decided that I didn’t trust big business
to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying
start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years
later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of
Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such
calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw
the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section
1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax
purposes. Visit this link for a conference
committee report

( regarding
the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section
530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services
workers and their clients, read our discussion here


(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of
the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following
new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This
section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an
arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such
other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems
analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services
rendered after December 31, 1986.



"another person" is the client in the
traditional job-shop relationship.


"taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency,
or job shop.


"individual", "employee", or
"worker" is you.


Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what
it is saying but it’s not very complicated. 
The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the
text of section (d).  Moreover, they
could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly
declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. 
Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’,
and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any
senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they
universally treated me as if I was wasting their time.  I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways
driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who
were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity.  This, only to discover that our efforts were
being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning
to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”.  Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I
was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a
futile exercise.  The best we could get
for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they
weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists).  This immediately proved to be a lie, and the
mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line;
this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them
into idle.  If I had any sense, I
clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks.  Then came the L.A. depression of the early
1990s.  Our leaders decided that they
didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern
California, so they were closed; just like that.  The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled
the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. 
However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all
of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up
houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to
“shore up” their windfall.  Again, I
lost my retirement.

Years later, after
weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with
my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some
speed.  Then came the .COM bust and the
911 nightmare.  Our leaders decided that
all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after
that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for
months.  This made access to my
customers prohibitively expensive. 
Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of
the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot
and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY
MONEY!  After these events, there went
my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a
change.  Bye to California, I’ll try
Austin for a while.  So I moved, only to
find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance
and where damn little real engineering work is done.  I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work.  The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning
before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large
companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and
this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give
a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and
retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. 
This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of
income.  I filed no return that year
thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need.  The sleazy government decided that they
disagreed.  But they didn’t notify me in
time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest
filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because
the time to file ran out.  Bend over for
another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present.  After my experience with the CPA world, following the business
crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again.  But here I am with a new marriage and a
boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business
asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle.  After considerable thought I decided that it would be
irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that
they were in order.  I had taken all of
the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar
to what I was expecting.  Except that he
had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700
worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I
didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit.  By that time it had become brutally evident
that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to
defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least
the tax-related transactions were poorly documented).  Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue
would ever matter to anyone.  The end result
is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the
“great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping
out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything.  Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60
years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic
problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it,
elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”.  Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get
to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably
referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone.  The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and
his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this
criticism rings equally true for all of the government.  Nothing changes unless there is a body count
(unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough).  In a government full of hypocrites from top
to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I
can stand.  It has always been a myth
that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t
limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. 
I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as
many after.  But I also know that by not
adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change.  I choose to not keep looking over my
shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore
what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual
won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be
white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will
take nothing less.  I would only hope
that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard,
knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian
restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and
their mindless minions for what they are. 
Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but
violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.  The cruel joke is that the really big chunks
of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and
using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is
repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly
be different.  I am finally ready to
stop this insanity.  Well, Mr. Big
Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and
sleep well.


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to
each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his
gullibility, to each according to his greed.


Joe Stack (1956-2010)




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Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:00 | 235699 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?”  The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time.............I wanted gold to go up, I wanted people to stop messing with my money!"

This was MOST LIKELY, from what I can tell, a FALSE FLAG.  This is my preliminary guess, but it sure is sounding like it.  "The witnesses report that it felt like an earthquake."

Gerald Celente quote here.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:48 | 236049 Gordon_Gekko
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The way to tell whether this is a false flag attack is to see whether this gets extensive, repeated coverage by the MSM (like the staged underwear bomber attack where their objective was to get full body scanners installed at airports without inciting a lot of hue and cry from the public). If it does, it was false flag. If it doesn't, some of our bankster oligarchs must be quaking in their boots.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 18:04 | 236342 Kitler
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Bastille Day

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:12 | 237077 Anonymous
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How They Brainwash A Nation_ we are in stage 3 (4 now)

This amazing interview was done back in 1985 with a former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to. It's shocking because our nation has been transformed in the exact same way, and followed the exact same steps.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:17 | 236101 Frank Owen
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I just removed this comment because the Echelon Building apparently has nothing to do with Project Echelon. Jumped the gun putting the big brother mention in the note together with "the echelon building" and came to the wrong conclusion. Sorry.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 18:05 | 236348 WaterWings
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Image capture of website:

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:43 | 235701 buzzsaw99
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A guillotine kills the right people, anything else is a waste.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:59 | 235723 SV
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Agreed, and Karl is right on this one too - When people come to the conclusion that the Govt is a felon, then this outcome will become highly contagious.  Those actions in-turn beget a police state.  Calling JohnGaltFLA...  (Was reading a chapter of that action last night)

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:35 | 235815 Anonymous
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at least we don't have to worry about the building coming down, probably no pre-loaded explosives

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:25 | 238397 dark pools of soros
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sadly someone junked you  -   but it is the other obvious thing the powers that be must be cringing on... look america, that is how a normal crashed up building burns

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:23 | 235787 malvotron
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I'm thinking Zero Hedge reader?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:39 | 235829 spekulatn
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Who gets his gold?

Paging Gordon G...


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:41 | 235836 ShankyS
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Nah, he would have found a support group here that would have talked him down frm anything. I'm thinking False Flag with some of the others or this is the first rue patriot that was willing to give his life to fight back.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:56 | 235870 You Cant Handle...
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What do we call people who sacrifice themselves for their beliefs?  Sometimes I hear it called patriot.  Sometimes terrorist.  Can someone please provide me a definition here?


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:08 | 235911 Anonymous
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Patriot = White
Terrorist = Brown


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 18:45 | 236510 Guy Fawkes
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Nice one

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 18:35 | 238200 APC
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Excellent.  Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh, and the best comedy always contains the kernel of truth!

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:39 | 236011 Anonymous
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Zealot. See "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer

- Heretic

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:47 | 236045 Anonymous
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A few years ago my father showed me his fathers obituary which was printed in Ireland, the place of his birth and death.

It made a number of veiled references to his "republican" exploits.

I said to my father, "In today's world, he'd be called a terrorist."

Not too often that I made my father think. (The older I got, the smarter he got.)

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 05:32 | 237288 Auroch
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Thanks to your grandad and his pals, Ireland's now an ex-colony of britain and in the eurozone.

Fun was around 1920 .. same time the Iraqis were trying to liberate themselves from the british yoke, but didn't really succeed ..

Ii was guerilla warfare (asymmetrical) with terror tactics on all sides.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 19:58 | 236708 Anonymous
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Jesus Christ. 2000 years after he sacrificed himself (if he indeed did) moe than one billion people believe in a jewish god and in a holy land located at the eastern shores of the european mediterranian sea. Joe Stack could be the new "messiah" for potentially religious people.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:09 | 235913 Anonymous
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I feel a core complete sorrow. Actions have consequences. I wish the man could have better thought through his choices. Wanting to make an exit for oneself, but also to take out nameless, faceless fellow beings--not good.

Corruption and deterioration of the rule of law makes schisms in men's minds. Their behaviour becomes unpredictable and erratic.

I fear this is but a foreshadowing of a Babylon falling.

Buddhist monks chose self-immolation in protest of soul-killing oppression.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:35 | 235997 Jean Valjean
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Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:46 | 235702 truont
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Is this for real?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:04 | 235733 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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This is absolutely real.  We could ask, 'is this really happening?'  the answer is still unequivocally, yes.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:16 | 235767 besodemuerte
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Holy Shit this is epic!

Granted it won't get more airtime than your local 7/11 being robbed tonight, but I'll spread this story to everyone I know.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:15 | 235936 koaj
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this is real was his website. check the WHOIS on it

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:27 | 235970 JohnG
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The site is already down.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:27 | 235973 JohnG
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The site is already down.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:13 | 236157 Anonymous
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Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:15 | 235762 Anonymous
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According to file under CRAP no. Just a chance for
ZH to get on their Libertarian bully pulpit.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:58 | 235879 Assetman
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Yeah... and the scary thing is there are millions of others who are one or two steps away from being the next Joe Stack.

That's something very serious to think about.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:02 | 235888 faustian bargain
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Indeed. If I worked for the government, I'd be notching it up to deep orange alert.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:30 | 235976 Anonymous
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Good! More and faster!

You push people who have nothing to lose, and they lose it. I know dozens of hard-working people who, due to specific, quantifiable government bullshit, will likely be destitute for the rest of their lives.

If this is what it takes to shout "NO!", then so be it.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:54 | 235708 lsbumblebee
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The truth can be a terrible thing to live with.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:11 | 235749 Crab Cake
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"It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie."

This is a truth that can rattle any honest hardworking family man. 

We've been had. Representation, ha that's a laugh.  From the bought and sold two side of the same fiat coin two party system?

I'm sorry this man felt this was his only option, his strategy was flawed.

Stop working, stop paying taxes, stop investing, get your money out of the banks. 

Bring this crooked nation run by theives to its knees. 

Then we get justice, then we get our country back.

If you are IRS, or CIA, or military, or FBI, or local law enforcement, or NSA, and you're reading this... go F yourself. 

When you are done go take a good long look in the mirror, and remember your oath that involved something something foreign and domestic.  You bastards slipped your watch and barbarians are plundering the city.  If you have any honor resign, or do your damned job.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:21 | 235770 besodemuerte
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Stop working, stop paying taxes, stop investing, get your money out of the banks. 

Easier said than done.  Working -> $$$ -> my daily needs of food/shelter.

About taxes, I'd love to not file.  Then what happens when they find out I didn't file and I get a phone call?

If you are IRS, or CIA, or military, or FBI, or local law enforcement, or NSA, and you're reading this... go F yourself. 

I'm ex-military AND ex-NSA.  A large reason I'm out of those institutions is because I've swallowed the Red Pill.  I still have connections in both institutions, and their eyes are open.  It's just tough for them to pass up the sick money, benefits, security that they offer.  I agree, yet I couldn't live with myself if I were still in.  Shit brings me to tears thinking about it sometimes.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:12 | 235924 Noah Vail
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Nice to hear someone say that.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:21 | 235950 Anonymous
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"It's just tough for them to pass up the sick money, benefits, security"

If you're not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. A little bit of wisdom these fine folks are clearly in denial of. "I want things to change, I just don't want to sacrifice anything personally" Give me a break.

Congrats on getting yourself out, though.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:12 | 236152 besodemuerte
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Yes, but try saying that to someone who fathers a family of four and has very limited economic value outside of the military/government/intelligence realms.

I know what you're saying here, and I agree.  I'm just saying it's a very, very difficult and unforgiving choice for someone to make that is fairly progressed into their lives.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 19:16 | 236582 A Nanny Moose
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When the unwinding of this unsustainable, alternate reality occurs it is going to be painful regardless.


Anything else is denial. Pain now, or more pain later.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 18:04 | 236338 dorksgetlaid2
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"Easier said than done.  Working -> $$$ -> my daily needs of food/shelter."

That's exactly my problem with the system.  In order to exist you need to work.

If that's not slavery I don't know what is.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 19:18 | 236590 A Nanny Moose
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It's not the work. It's that the "work" us unproductive make-work. It does not feed, cloth, or shelter anyone. No genuine wealth results, and we make rules requiring that it be spent, rather than saved, lest it get taxed.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 20:31 | 236761 35Pete
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Let me ask you this. Are there enough guys like you in there that will stand up for the interests of the American people if the shit hits the fan? Or will they "just sheepishly follow orders"? 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:33 | 237108 Bob
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Good question.  Wonder what the answer is. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:12 | 235925 strike for retu...
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In my experience the vast majority of local law enforcement people are good people, who are trying to do the right thing.

Dick Cheney--now there is a terrorist.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:17 | 235940 You Cant Handle...
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I'm going to second your sentiment.  In any top-down organization, all it takes is a crook at the top to sully the reputation of a lot of hard working cogs in the machine.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:05 | 236123 Cognitive Dissonance
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"In my experience the vast majority of local law enforcement people are good people, who are trying to do the right thing."

Unfortunately these people, all of us really, are enabling the thieving. Our good intentions, our desire to make the best of things, the tough choices between feeding your family and feeding the beast, this is all enabling the beast to continue.

The bargain has always been that we, you and I, would share in the spoils, that there would be a reasonable accounting and we all would receive something close to our fair share. This has always been a farce. There was never going to be a payout of the goods. The farce was extended and pretended far longer than even the bad guys thought they could get away with. We all wish to believe that it all went wrong somewhere. It was never right to begin with. It's just that the first people into the Ponzi got paid and the rest of us bought in.

False hope binds us to impossible situations. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 21:34 | 236871 Gold...Bitches
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In my experience the vast majority of local law enforcement people are good people

I call BS on this one.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:36 | 237112 Bob
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The wonder of our collective rabbit hole is that we all think we're good, decent and right.  Too bad power (and the core cowardice that so often motivates people to get it) so often corrupts. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:56 | 235715 Anonymous
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I'm willing to bet the 'media' mentions nothing of the articulate, thought-provoking rhetoric in this letter. He will be, if not already, labelled a crackpot for sure.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:56 | 235868 Steak
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Tell me, have you ever read the writings of terrorists from the Middle East and SouthEast Asia?  Many of them are articulate, thought-provoking missives.  But none of that changes the fact that this man was a SUICIDE BOMBER.  Tell me what universe flying a plane into a building with the intent of killing others does not make one a crackpot?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:03 | 235890 Anonymouse
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+10.  His missive was a bit long for my ADDled brain, but I get the gist.  It's a shame he couldn't have used his anger and resentment to do something productive for the world.  Work for a charitable organization, support the Boy Scouts, run for office, something.  It beats deliberate destruction of life and property.

All that will do is discredit his argument and those who do (or would have) agree(d) with him

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:46 | 236039 Hammer59
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As a Christian, I cant condone violence or suicide---but I keenly understand his frustration. Anger and resentment prevent service to others. I wish that Joe Stack would have prevailed a few times--just one small victory maybe. If justice is truly a lie in America, just wait until the SHTF.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:31 | 236214 MsCreant
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Joe Stack is a speck of shit hitting the fan.

No disrespect meant to his remaining tribe members, this is just true.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:09 | 235915 Anonymous
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I'm sorry, Hobbes, but this is clearly over your head. The fact of the matter is, DIRECT ACTION, in his mind, was the ONLY way of drawing attention to his cause. Moreover, the letter's content is mutually exclusive from the ACT itself. The rhetoric in the letter is what will get ZERO airtime, the fact that he is a "crackpot bomber" will get loads of coverage.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:38 | 238404 dark pools of soros
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exactly - its not like he flew into an orphanage 


the reverse then is that how can that building be full of great innocent people if they themselves weren't doing charitable, productive work that people will blame him for not doing.   Good people doing the bidding of a criminal are labeled an ACCOMPLICE and get thrown in jail as well

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:14 | 235932 Noah Vail
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My country right or wrong. In your universe a theiving, pillaging war-mongering government controlled by bankers makes you sane?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:18 | 235942 Assetman
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That, my friend, would be the Universe of Last Straws.  Go into a psychatric hospital or a homeless shelter, and you'll see plenty of them.

Crakckpot?  Yes.

Wrong?  Oh, hell yes.

But the man felt he was at the end of his rope.  I'm sure many others have felt the same way, thought about such things... but in the end, have quietly accepted their way into abject poverty.  Jail time, collecting welfare, and protesting against the government would have been a much more constructive path for this guy.  Which makes it that much more sad, ironically.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:15 | 236162 Anonymous
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...and would any of that protest worked? did congress listen to the people about the bailouts? health care reform? a reformed tax code? nope; and they never will until forced to do so--forced.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 01:12 | 237163 Assetman
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The reality is that we will never know.

Congress isn't listening to people about the bailouts becuase they actually think they can get re-elected the same old fashioned way-- by raising more money than the next candidate.

The other stark reality is that despite all the frustration with our political and financial systems, there has yet to be the critical mass needed to push people in the streets for meaningful peaceful protests.  You may not agree, but I believe we are quickly reaching that point.

Remembering what I do about the Vietnam war protests... I do know that it was politically very effective.  But it took effort of many courageous people and it took time to build.  I don't think it will be any different this time-- except that people are angrier and less focused, beacuse the malfesance in our system has become so widespread. 

I don't think that "force" in and of itself will be a solution-- but as we will see, will be an unfortunate byproduct of pent-up anger (not that it will work).  The solution begins with voting out two-party kleptocrats out of office and replacing them with people who embrace reforming our institutions.  It will take time, but the timeline will be accelerated if/when the economy takes another nasty turn.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:40 | 238407 dark pools of soros
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did you not read this man's vain attempts to fight within the process???  all that money and time pissed away???  you all act like he was a 17 year old that didn't get his way at his first crap job

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:24 | 235964 i.knoknot
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with respect for you and the dialogue:

"Tell me what universe flying a plane into a building..."

in the universe that 13 colonies fought the biggest empire on earth... and won. were they not crackpots? were they not insane to even think of rebelling against the 'empire'?

as mentioned above, the term 'terrorist' vs 'patriot' is purely one of perspective, and who it is that's writing the story. compare al-jazeer to cnn... rush limbaugh to ed schulze..., etc.

this is sad, but only because everyone is a victim.

If any good comes of this, it'll be that the sheeple start to realize how desperate a few in their midst have become, and perhaps the herd will wonder why, begin realize the cause, and move away from it.

like a diet, it took years to get here. i hope it'll take years to swing back. big change happening quickly is a likely definition of "violence" in some dictionary.

sadly, this martyr (by definition, not a personal judgment) is not a crackpot at all, and will probably be more effective in the application of his technique than any of us would hope.

maybe... hopefully... rather than more planes, we'll see more folks engaging in the dialogue, and less american idol.

vote 'em all out. reset. try again. we still have time, we claim to be able to learn, and the stage has been set.


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:01 | 236038 Steak
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thank you for showing its possible to not condemn this guy but at the same time not justify his murderous intent.  this country will survive the kleptocracy it has become and dialogue, as you mention, will be critical to us rebuilding from the ground up.

one quick point on our revolution.  our actions against the british were not limited to regular and irregular warfare against the redcoats.  as much as it was hyped in popular lore, the practice of tarring and feathering british officials was an incredibly violent act.  those acts of terror against non-military british functionaries as well as other acts of mob violence were roundly condemned by the founding fathers including the rabble rouser Samuel Adams.

and lastly on semantics, attempting to kill one's countrymen in the way this man did could not meet any definition of "patriot".  DHS has already said this is not an act of terrorism, if only because they could not find a muslim that goaded this guy into doing what he did.  so if he's not a patriot and not a terrorist, crackpot is the best word that fits in my mind.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:20 | 236176 i.knoknot
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the tar-and-feather scene from the first of the 'John Adams' mini-series haunts me to this day. I had always pictured it as rolling someone in mud (tar) and then in feathers as a form of messy painless public humiliation. far from that... the guillotine was far more humane.

murder is murder, no argument. RIP to the unsuspecting targets.

back to the writings of Machiavelli... do 'the ends justify the means'? this apt to become much bigger than a building and a plane.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:49 | 238417 dark pools of soros
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then why not place some blame on the enabling zombies working for places like the IRS or GS... you have to draw the battle lines somewhere right?


tell them peacefully to find work elsewhere - blackball these criminal outfits into suffication and anyone who continues to work for them ARE terrorists 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:51 | 236062 Hammer59
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Well said!  IKnonot--

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:41 | 236252 PierreLegrand
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in the universe that 13 colonies fought the biggest empire on earth... and won. were they not crackpots?

So then the patriots that fought against the Crown were in your eyes no different than the guys who flew jets into buildings?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 19:31 | 236631 A Nanny Moose
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You are right. We should just keep running on the hamster wheel. Things will change by themselves.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 20:20 | 236749 Anonymous
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Really? I always thought the "jets" guys were islamic pyschos trying to spread their religious batshit all over the globe. I had no idea they were actually Americans trying to fight back against a corrupt government. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:31 | 235981 trav7777
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Then our military is full of crackpots.  Every one of them signs on to die if necessary to complete the mission.

Look, all the "innocents" were just collateral damage.

That's what we say every time we bomb a radio station or a power plant or a building with 30 civilians and 1 al qaida guy.

Just regrettable collateral damage.  I took pictures of buildings we bombed in Belgrade; they are on public streets, across from places people live and work and go about their business.  You tellin me EVERYONE in that building was guilty?  Everyone on the street?  All because of some "genocide" that was supposedly happening somewhere else by other people?

That is our government's orthodoxy when we go to war.  No sympathy for people "just doing their job" and collecting a government paycheck.  We all cheer when those smart bombs go through the air vent on the roof of the radio station in Baghdad during GW1.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:10 | 236143 Anonymous
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He was fighting the agent crackpots that put people to death financially by robbing them blind. Wake up Ahole!

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 20:34 | 236767 35Pete
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I couldn't agree with you more. 

The moral alternative is to drop JDAM munitions on wedding parties from 40,000 feet and return to the carrier in one piece. 

Man what a split personality we as a culture have. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 21:36 | 236877 Gold...Bitches
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ok, wait a minute.  i distinctly remember that the reason we went to war in the middle east in the first place was so that we could fight them over there so we didnt have to fight them here...  So if he's a SUICIDE BOMBER then that plan has epic failed.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 09:22 | 237360 nedwardkelly
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Every news article I've seen from MSM has described it as a 'rambling' letter. It was long, but the point was pretty clear.


They also described him as 'apparently' disgruntled. I wonder what it would take to describe him as 'absolutely without doubt disgruntled'

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:52 | 238420 dark pools of soros
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anything not on twitter is considered rambling these days

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:59 | 235718 Nick Utah
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I just read this on another site. Unfortunatly little will be spoken about Joe Stack in the media except that he is a possible terrorist. At times I want to throw up my hands and quit, but the machine doesn't care. This once great nation is dead, and all corrupt politicians will die and be replaced by new corrupt politicians. This is the way it has always been. Reduce your dependence on the machine and try to live your life the best you can. With any luck there will remain enough sheeple to feed the machine and keep them off you back. Good luck.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:21 | 235729 Wynn
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This is a sad story, no matter how you look at it.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:10 | 235747 dnarby
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Fuck that defeatist noise!


Support your local sheriff!


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:32 | 235807 Anonymous
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Just show us ONE sheriff that isnt corrupt !

You mean we should improve our cock sucking skills, or hand over the welfare check ?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:45 | 235846 demsco
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The Sheriff? They are just as corrupt as the rest of government. Who do you think evicts people, enforces wage garnishment (for a fee) and enforces laws for "the man?" The only thing they are good for is calling them when a crime has been committed and then they do nothing about it...

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:38 | 236006 WaterWings
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It's easy to be cynical in an irreversible manner in this awful times - but dnarby is right about supporting Sheriffs. Corruption can be found in high and low places - but the Sheriff is local, not Federal, and that's what makes the position one of such high importance in view of encroaching, centralizing power in DC:

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 00:45 | 237122 Bob
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It has pained me for a very long time to see them so authoritatively disgracing themselves and their alleged honor.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:58 | 235880 Nick Utah
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11:52 a.m.
- Sheriff Charlie Morris was arrested by federal agents in Las Vegas.
- According to the Justice Department, Morris and his Director of Administration and Finance, Teresa Adams, created fictitious bonuses for Sheriff’s Department employees. The employees were then told to return some or all of the bonuses because the money was being donated to charities.
- Sheriff Morris is expected to appear before a federal judge today in Nevada before he is transferred to Pensacola 
- Adams is expected to make an initial appearance before a United States Magistrate Judge in Pensacola today.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 14:59 | 235721 Anonymous
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A disagreement with tax authorities is an excuse for moving to the Caymans. It is not an excuse for burning down your house with your family in it, then taking a plane and flying it into an office building.

This person was deeply deranged if this document is real.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:14 | 235758 E pluribus unum
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If you believe what you wrote you've never been between a rock and a hard place. There's no excuse for attacking innocent people but the poor bastard has been fucked over for quite some time. Maybe it hasn't happened to you (yet) but the middle class is getting fucked over royally and no one gives a shit.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:35 | 235814 Anonymous
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Murder suicide is not a reasonable option period. No matter what the situation is. No matter how much you've been fucked over.

And for a guy who has a private plane, who is obviously on the top end of the spectrum, I will not hear about how much he has been "screwed" by the system.

He was rich, he actually had options. Instead he attmepted to murder his own family and then attempted to murder an entire building full of people, most of whom are not in any way affiliated with the federal government and have no part of his alleged beef with the IRS.

You really think that's reasonable? Seriously? What the fuck is society coming to when anyone thinks that's a legitimate reaction to anything?

I've been on the bottom end of the middle class for years, unemployed, unhappy, alone, with a thousand dollar tax bill staring me in the face because I liquidated a 401k early and needed all my unemployment to pay my rent so I didn't have witholdings from it. I wasn't particularly thrilled about that. I didn't burn down my apartment building and drive a truck filled with a fuel air bomb into the JFK building downtown.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:46 | 236276 Anonymous
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"You really think that's reasonable? Seriously? What the fuck is society coming to when anyone thinks that's a legitimate reaction to anything?"


Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:56 | 238421 dark pools of soros
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maybe you should but i feel you wouldn't know the first thing in accomplishing anything

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:00 | 235882 Nick Utah
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Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:10 | 236142 Anonymous
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Nobody who works for the IRS is innocent.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 23:58 | 238424 dark pools of soros
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+200   my point as well..  there are a ton evil corps out there..  why not shame all the workers to find other work..  and then after the shaming is done, whoevers left is fair game.. battle lines drawn

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 20:39 | 236776 35Pete
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Except that the middle class is getting the big red, white, and blue dick jammed up their ass but the goddamn zombies still think it's just "backdoor love" from Uncle Sugardaddy. 

Hey Middle Class. Your pappy's waiting for you in the toolshed. Don't forget the anal butter. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:40 | 236016 AxiosAdv
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I believe that even if you relinquish you US citizenship, current law mandates you to pay taxes on your global income for a period of 10 years.  If I remember correctly, it was passed after one of the Campbell's Soup heir's did it and moved to Ireland to keep from losing 55% of his billions in estate taxes to Uncle Sam. 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 03:44 | 237255 Anonymous
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Ahh. The Expatriation Tax. Amerika owns you even if you're no longer a US citizen.

FYI. It's since been updated and the Expat Tax applies only to those with $2mil+ net worth or $145,000 avg annual income over each of last 5 years. If a person is above those #'s, it's automatically assumed they left for tax reasons. (NEVER say it is for tax reasons. Then the IRS will be all over you even if you're below those #'s.),,id=97245,00...

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:01 | 235726 chumbawamba
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This guy took the wrong way out.  He took the cowardly way.  The only way to deal with these issues is to stand up and fight.  He just didn't come prepared to see it all the way through.

IRS agents are cowards.  They have the full force and power of the US Government behind them (illegally I might add).  If it wasn't for that, what could they do to you?  Keep sending you nasty letters?

Government power is derived from the consent of the governed.

Stand up and fight, you cowards.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:19 | 235774 trav7777
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A guy like this gave his life for his cause. 

You talk on the internet. 

Who is the coward?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:33 | 235810 chumbawamba
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What cause?  Destroying some non-discrept building on the outskirts of Austin?  What does that accomplish?  At least he got his letter out into the public, but he'll be forgotten in a week.

He would have been more useful if he stayed and fought.  Or if he was going to pull off a stunt like this, at least choose an object with more impact: a statehouse or a federal building would have ensured news coverage for at least two weeks.

And yes, I'm just a guy who talks on the internet, but that's not all I do.  Don't confuse me with the sheep in the pasture (or yourself).  I don't fault your ignorance on this.  After all, you can't possibly know the life that Chumbawamba leads.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:42 | 235838 trav7777
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You lead a cowardly life of posting on the internet.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:47 | 235853 chumbawamba
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And you?

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:48 | 235856 Anonymous
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hey chumby, stfu

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:01 | 235886 chumbawamba
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HAHAHA.  Looks like I'm the ass after all.  I just read that this was an IRS and FBI building.  Joe, apparently, did not consent.

Way to go, Joe!

This is it, folks.  This. Is. It.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:32 | 235986 trav7777
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Bravest thing you've done so far...congrats

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:44 | 236032 chumbawamba
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I'm not a hypocrite and I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 20:42 | 236784 35Pete
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I can't stand people that can't admit that they're wrong. People that can't admit mistakes are incapable of learning, growing, or both. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:35 | 235817 DoChenRollingBearing
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-- Join the next Tea Party

-- Buy gold

-- Take money out of the banks and hoard it

-- Get some money overseas

-- Sell and do not buy Treasuries

-- Buy lead and lead delivery systems

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 19:24 | 236610 Anonymous
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The Tea Party crazies across the web are already cheering this guy on. Not surprising the Tea Party would hold up a terroist as a hero. The Teabagger Terrorist is already becoming a meme.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:38 | 235823 DoChenRollingBearing
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Duplicate, sorry!

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:41 | 235833 Anonymous
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No coward, he was a hero.

And it was him who started the revolution.

Show some respect sheople.


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:29 | 235801 faustian bargain
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Dude, that's fine and I love all that you do, but I don't think calling this guy a coward is the way to go. (Assuming the story is true - I haven't looked into it yet,) One has to be in a certain place mentally, to crack like he did. As one who suffers from depression, I have learned that there are things going on in my brain that I don't always have full control over, and I believe this is true for everyone, so I think that while this guy's way may not be ideal or even 'good', he felt it was the only way. I know that feeling.

But regardless of his methods and his state of mind - his message is now out there. That in itself is taking a kind of stand. I think it's up to some of us to help people understand his letter is not crackpot rhetoric.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:38 | 235826 chumbawamba
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Upon reflection, and based on your comment, I think I was perhaps a bit too rash in calling Joe a coward.  I think a more appropriate term would be "misguided".  And I mean that in the literal sense.

This should be a case study for how NOT to go about fighting the IRS.  There's a right way and a wrong way.  You must use their laws and rules against them.  Force them into an endgame in which they must cede to you.  It can and has been done.


Consent is the fuel of government power.  No consent, no power.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:44 | 235842 trav7777
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The SYSTEM is broken and idiots like you still counsel to work WITHIN the system.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:53 | 235863 chumbawamba
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HAHAHAHA.  Such an ass.

I'm not saying work within the system, never said that, never will.  In fact, I counsel the exact OPPOSITE, and have stated this numerous times right here in this blog.

My approach is to rip off the arm of my enemy and bludgeon them to death with it.  That is not working "within" the system.  It is using the system against itself.

Know the difference instead of spouting off like an ass.

And for the record: I practice what I preach.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:57 | 236090 Anonymous
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Yes yes I saw this story where chumbawumba ripped arm off IRS and bludgeoned them with TESTAMENT you practice what you preach.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:07 | 236132 Anonymous
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yes trav7777, interesting about traffic laws... in january travelling on the QEW highway from Niagara to Hamilton in Ontario, Canada with a speed limit of 100kph and law in place for roadside license suspension, car impoundment and up to $10k CDN fine for going over 50kph over the limit and 30kph over the limit is a $295 CDN fine, the average speed of traffic on this stretch is usually 110-130kph, depending on the lane.

On this particular drive, i was going almost 120kph and an OPP (ontario provincial police) fully marked car without it's emergency lights on passed me going just over 130kph.

so, i merged into the left lane and followed him (with a line of other cars behind me - no one likes to be 1st follower, apparently) as we accelerated to 145kph (most other cars dropped back) and when we passed the very distinct blue roadside sign detailing penalties for going over 150kph, we (him, me, and 1 other car) were pulling 160kph.

not once did the opp car put its emerg lights on and when he came up to every other car (all going slower) in the left lane, they all quickly merged into the slower traffic lane. clearly, he had to go somewhere quickly, and since i wasn't tailgating and i was keeping a safe distance, from my POV, this whole situation was fine and not overly dangerous (not more dangerous than any incident where the delta of speed is up to 60kph).

some of the $$$-making laws, however, now, they're straight outta fiction right into the matrix (oh wait, difference?)!

one reason i did this (i wasn't in a particular hurry) was to show others (mostly sheeple on the road) a juxtaposition toward the Red Pill.

just doin my part... :)

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:04 | 235893 Nick Utah
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I think Joes fight was more than a fight against the IRS, it was against double standards and crooked politics. He tried to make a statement, maybe it will help.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:39 | 236008 chumbawamba
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I rescind my original comment.  Joe Stack was not a coward, he was courageous.  He had the courage to do what the rest of us cowards only dream.

Innocents be damned, we're all guilty.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 09:32 | 237367 nedwardkelly
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This should be a case study for how NOT to go about fighting the IRS.  There's a right way and a wrong way.  You must use their laws and rules against them.


If you read his letter though he *tried* using their laws and rules against them - guess what... They changed them. The rules and laws aren't designed for the plebs.

Regardless of what company/government organization/employees were in the building, I think it was pretty poor form to try to take them out though. People here all say that the IRS employees are complicit in all this, but that's a stretch. Is the janitor in the building complicit? What about the guy mowing the lawn out front when the plane came in? None of them deserve to die just so that his message could get the attention it warrants. He could have crashed into the building in the wee hours etc, there's other options to get the message out.

I love that his message is getting publicized, but it's depressing and sad the lengths he went to do to so.

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 00:06 | 238435 dark pools of soros
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laws are like spiderwebs..  they catch the bugs yet let the hawks fly free

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:04 | 235895 merehuman
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We have all missed you Mr Chumbawamba.

Fight how exactly? My way of fighting is to inform each person i meet during the day.

Occasionally i pass out a silver round and some appropiate websites. Now am writing a flier for my small town. On the west coast my options are limited.

If i lived on the east coast, i can think of a lot of ways to rebel.

Banks would be producing jobs

glass replacers,

Tow trucks to pull my rig out of the bank

Atm machines would have to be repaired daily

Garbage cans full of crap would block intersections

I can go on. But no one on the east coast has any balls or imagination. So far...

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:34 | 235990 Anonymous
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This is only because it hasn't quite reached that point yet.

Those in our younger generations actually have quite a diverse skill set. Should things really get rolling, you're not just going to have crap blocking road traffic... you're going to have outages of power, data, and essential services. There are so many things to attack, if you simply know how, and say "fuck it".

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 00:13 | 238437 dark pools of soros
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hate to say it but all that youth gone wild ended with genX..  i know lots of genX parents that think their kids are a bunch of pussies.   Heck their kids usually tell them how unsafe things are while the parents wish the kids would just shut up about all that crap propaganda.


we went from Rage Against the Machine to Emo... GenX is the closest thing we've got to the founding fathers in that they really don't give a shit about status quo and rather do nothing if what they are doing doesn't matter.


so instead of Give me Liberty or Give me Death...   they atleast say Make Things Matter or Leave me Be

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:42 | 236024 chumbawamba
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You have the right idea.

Keep it up.

It's time to break shit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:01 | 235727 fuu
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Rest in peace Joe.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:04 | 235732 10044
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Guys listen to Alex Jones now as he's covering the whole thing with David Icke

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 16:47 | 235903 Slewburger
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Joe will probably get marginalized as a truther, end the feder, birther or a tea party racist.

Likely as a Debra Medina supporter too, they'll do anything to destroy a true populist candidate.

Glenn Beck is so broken up about it he's already applying his mentholated eye balm.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:04 | 235735 SWRichmond
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Marla / TD, almost posted the link in my tax refund post below, but I figured I'd let you decide for yourselves whether to run with this.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:06 | 235739 macfly
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Wow, if it is for real it is a terribly sad tale, but not one that surprises me. The Nazi's got away with all kinds of crimes because they were able to persuade the German people that they were doing the right thing, "God's work".

It is my guess that all the people who work for the IRS, the Pentagon, the CIA and the Secret Service absolutely believe that they are doing the right thing, and they look to their leaders in trust and honest dedication for direction.

When the directives that come from the top become corrupted, so too will the actions of those in their service.

We are now suffering the results of a terrible silent coup that started with the formation of the Fed in 1916. It is time for a change, but we must beware the dangers of revolution so well illustrated in Orwell's Animal Farm, and also TPTB's war card, played so often as a last desperate attempt to retain power.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:28 | 235800 fxguy
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“Look ,“ he told me,
“all those little children dying in the trees.”
And I said, “What?”
He said, “look.”
And I went to the window and sure enough, there they were hanging in the trees,
dead and dying.
And I said, “What does it mean?”
He said, “I don’t know it’s authorized.”

The next day I got up and they had dogs in the trees,
hanging, dead, and dying.
I turned to my friend and I said, “What does it mean?”
And he said,
“Don’t worry about it, it’s the way of things. They took a vote. It was decided.”
The next day it was cats.
I don’t see how they caught all those cats so fast and hung them in the trees, but they did.
The next day it was horses,
and that wasn’t so good because many bad branches broke.

And after bacon and eggs the next day,
my friend pulled his pistol on me across the coffee
and said,
“Let’s go,”
and we went outside.
And here were all these men and women in the trees,
most of them dead or dying.
And he got the rope ready and I said,
“ What does it mean?”
And he said, “It’s authorized, constitutional, it past the majority,”
And he tied my hands behind my back then opened the noose.
“I don’t know who’s going to hang me,” he said,
“When I get done with you.
I suppose when it finally works down
there will be just one left and he’ll have to hang himself.”
“Suppose he doesn’t,” I ask.
“He has to,” he said,
“It’s authorized.”
“Oh,” I said, “Well,
let’s get on with it.”

Charles Bukowski

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 17:44 | 236269 MsCreant
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Bukowski Rocks.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:08 | 235741 SWRichmond
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You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you:

PHILADELPHIA - A federal lawsuit accuses a suburban Philadelphia school district of spying on students at home through school-issued laptop webcams.

The suit says Lower Merion School District officials can activate the webcams remotely without students' knowledge. The lawsuit alleges the cameras captured images of Harriton High School students and their families as they undressed and in other compromising situations.

Families learned of the alleged webcam images when an assistant principal spoke to a student about inappropriate behavior at home.

So, anyone give me odds on whether any school officials get prosecuted for child pornography?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:43 | 235777 Miles Kendig
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Remember, school districts, like banks are required to make their security surveillance images available to the DHS on a real time basis.  So, my question is this; how many folks at DHS were viewing these streaming videos as well without taking the least action to protect children?  The folks at DHS were obviously more concerned with the continuation of their access to an unfiltered stream of child pornography and getting legal cameras and microphones into peoples homes for their personal and professional gratification than having anything to do with preserving, protecting and defending The Constitution of the United States.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:25 | 235793 BernankeCo
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that is scary to know that is happening

Sun, 02/28/2010 - 23:26 | 249142 dark pools of soros
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and what, no teacher had their own kids in the school??

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:10 | 235745 Orly
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Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:10 | 235746 TaggartGalt
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IRS Says 190 Employees in Texas Building When Plane Hit


Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:11 | 235750 Rusty Shorts
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Holy shit.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:14 | 235760 Apocalypse Now
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That rant sounds artificial, perhaps a false flag attack to justify going after the tea party (Taxed Enough Already) and anyone else that criticizes big government and high taxes.  They believe this will serve to justify more big brother involvement in a twisted logic.  We just recently had a Cyber security appointment and note that he left his note on the web and it appeared to be premeditated since it was written before "the act".  If you take this to the next level it would be minority report and many of the individuals that harmlessly vent here could be investigated for inciting violence. 

So now if you think you don't have much money left over after paying your taxes because of high commodity prices, housing prices, and taxes (thanks GS for speculating on commodities and thanks PTB for the liquidity pumps that made assets expensive relative to income - BUBBLE) perhaps they will try to label you as a threat and perhaps inciting violence. FBI office in Oklahoma, Pentagon, WTC government offices, and now IRS offices? - This seems like too much of a coincidence.

If anyone was actually injured, that would be unfortunate and I would extend my sympathies to the victims and the families.  What would be most unfortunate is twisting this event as a false pretext for going after political opponents.  I hope our representatives are smart enough to C through this and investigate without passing crazy legislation.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:38 | 235827 SWRichmond
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What would be most unfortunate is twisting this event as a false pretext for going after political opponents.

That twisting has already begun.  Remember, never let a good crisis go to waste.

According to reporting on MSNBC, someone named Joe Stack allegedly set his house on fire and fled to an airport, stole a small plane, and allegedly flew a plane into an office building which houses the IRS.

Now, Oliver Willis on his website, makes this incredible find.

Many parts of it read something like a teabagger manifesto, purportedly written by Joe Stack.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:14 | 235761 Anonymous
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Here's to you Joe:

When I was younger I believed, that dreams came true.
Now I wonder.
Cause' I've seen much more dark skies, than blue.
Now I wonder.

I keep on praying for a blue sky, I keep on searching through the rain.
I keep on thinking of the good times, will they ever come again?
Now I wonder.

Chris Isaak

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:15 | 235763 JT Marlin
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This is sad.  I don't care if you have disagreements with the taxing authority.  The problems are not the workers there, just trying to make a living, the root starts with the top, and works its way down.  What a waste of human life!


This person, if he survived should be labeled a deranged individual, a terrorist, if you will, simply due to the fact that there are other ways to combat the system.  You don't like the IRS, learn a new language and move.  Too bad most Americans are lazy fat-asses. 

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:22 | 235783 trav7777
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Waffen SS were just following orders and trying to make a living.

The people in gov't offices that we bombed in Baghdad and Belgrade were just trying to make a living.

We never give a shit when someone just trying to make a living gets killed by our military, why should "Joe Stack"?

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:58 | 235878 lizzy36
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I adore the "following orders" excuse. 

It is so simple, and generally utilized by those that lack(ed) both courage and independence of thought. 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 09:42 | 237374 nedwardkelly
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Waffen SS were just following orders and trying to make a living.


..Godwins law.

We never give a shit when someone just trying to make a living gets killed by our military, why should "Joe Stack"?

Speak for yourself. Some of us absolutely give a shit who the military kills (in our name).


Fri, 02/19/2010 - 19:16 | 238238 APC
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Is that the second time now you've compared IRS workers to the nazis?  You sir, are a moron!

God, I love this site, and visit every day.  But the comments in this thread in support of this murderer are about as fucking stupid as they come.  I read Mr. Stack's rant and was unimpressed.

I suspect we're going to be seeing alot more of this kinda shit, and frankly some of the response I see here doesn't bode well for the country.  To all of you advocating violence against the working people of this country, fuck you!

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:37 | 235821 Anonymous
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The SS were just doing their jobs too.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 15:45 | 235848 Anonymous
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Bullshit. Don't work for Nazis; have the tiny amount of character it takes to get a job that doesn't abuse others. Oh boo hoo unemployment is high, fuck off. Such apologist crap like "just trying to make a living" rationalizes all sorts of fascist behavior. You do the job of a Nazi you are a Nazi.

Thu, 02/18/2010 - 18:45 | 236511 Kitler
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