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Average Unemployment Period Hits All Time Record High Of 6 Months

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The length of time the average unemployed
has been without a job has just passed an all time record 26 weeks.
This is the longest time average unemployed American has been jobless
since this data series has been recorded. In other news, as this data
point is obviously unspinnable positively for general consumption, expect the dollar to shortly hit zero, as the stock market approaches to reach infinity.


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Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:25 | 106986 starfish
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Audt the FED TV commercial...kinda funny...

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:41 | 107102 Village Idiot
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An orange...five dollars.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:25 | 106987 faustian bargain
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Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:45 | 107109 Cognitive Dissonance
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Anyone notice the general trend of the chart over the last 50 years? Time for me to break out my old dog eared copy of the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire."


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:14 | 107159 cougar_w
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Better use of your time: Start writing something on the rise and fall of the middle class.

There are more middle-class people alive today than all the Romans that ever lived. And they are softer and less capable (in material terms) than the average Plebeian  of 476AD, and have access to fewer resources.

This cannot end well.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:39 | 107205 sgt_doom
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Sadly, but in a most enlightened manner, that has already been written:

Joseph A. Tainter's "Collapse of Complex Societies" --- if you haven't yet read this, or his other works, they are really the result of some brilliant and insightful research --- and which most seriously takes into consideration the prevailing economic actions of the pertinent times.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:52 | 107233 Cognitive Dissonance
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I finished this book last week and I've just started it again. It's so filled to the brim with information and ideas that I'm getting nearly as much out of it the second time as I did the first.

Honestly I wasn't sure how I felt after the first go round. While it helps to have a better understanding of what's going on, sometimes ignorance is bliss. Just because you're aware of how and why the car is crashing doesn't make it much better if you're inside the car.

Ultimately the insanity of us as individuals is that we have a tendency to think along the following lines. While everyone else is doomed, doomed, doomed, because I'm aware and can see what's happening, I can save myself.

If we're all in the same pot of boiling water, it really doesn't matter who knows the future and who doesn't.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:07 | 107251 sgt_doom
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Agreed!  But it makes for interesting dinner party conversational topics (no...just kidding here!).

But it does allow one to better frame the existing reality when everyone is posing a thousand solutions to a thousand problems, which really won't be any different tomorrow, unless one really and truly drills down to the fundamental problems.

E.g., to those still in the fooled column -- they can keep making those donations (to Obama, or to that "public option", etc.) while those in control know what the real score is and are laughing all the way to the bank, or rather hedge fund....

Ever diminishing returns on more and more problem-solving yields relatively little.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:18 | 107267 cougar_w
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[ever diminishing returns] That would be the death-spiral of a complex system.

Complexity is a meat grinder eating itself. Complex systems grind themselves into rust, and can proceed past their own event horizon almost instantly.

And yes, we are all inside this one.

6 billions+ of us.

This cannot end well.


Fri, 10/23/2009 - 04:23 | 108001 Anonymous
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The trend is indicative of the increased mobility of firms and industries due to Globalization. Dani Rodrik has done some work on this (I can't remember what the names/dates of the papers are) but generally, the idea is that in a closed economy, the proportion of doctors to mechanics to engineers to tailors is fairly stable over time. But when firms/industries are mobile, these ratios become quite volatile. For example, if GM shuts down, lots of their workers have skills that are difficult to transfer to other jobs quickly. So, they stay unemployed longer. I think that to some extent this is a global trend, not specific to the US.

This is also supposedly one of the reasons why govt transfers seem to be quite highly correlated with trade openness.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:25 | 106988 Daedal
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TD, no worries.

Here's the positive spin: "Record high unemployment checks driving consumer spending."

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:32 | 106995 digalert
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The agenda for setting records is working, record rallies, record deficits, record spending...

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:35 | 106996 SilverIsKing
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Do not forget that we are in the midst of a 'JOBLESS RECOVERY' so don't expect the jobs picture to get any brighter.  Once you accept that fact, then it will all make more sense.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:53 | 107023 Bam_Man
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A "jobless recovery" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. What we are seeing is a totally synthetic, liquidity and stimulus driven spike in activity (mostly financial). It is not by any stretch of the imagination a "recovery" in any way, shape or form.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:03 | 107042 SilverIsKing
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No way?  Do you mean there really is not going to be a jobless recovery?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:24 | 107075 faustian bargain
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going short on sarcasm

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:07 | 107147 Anonymous
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As has been pointed out numerous times, this is NOT a "jobless recovery. It is a "job loss recovery".

I am not chumbubwa.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:19 | 107170 cougar_w
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No no. It will be a jobless non-recovery.

Well even that is not strictly correct.

Those people will have jobs eventually even aft er the non-recovery.

Trimming lawns. Sweeping the stables. Picking rags at the landfill.

Shucks, with all the potholes that will need filling and ditches need digging you can employ half the country with just a lot of shovels. Problem solved. Seriously.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:42 | 107207 faustian bargain
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haha, that's why we need stimulus 2.0, to fund all those newly-'shovel-ready' jobs.

The government is waiting for just the right level of desperation, and then will swoop in to 'rescue' all the jobless with employment under Uncle Sam, Inc.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:39 | 107098 sgt_doom
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No doubt you are being sarcastic as we are really in a JOBLESS ECONOMY....

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:14 | 107162 Anonymous
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Whatsa job? What is work? Many are being paid to walk to the mailbox and pick up a check. Others given credit for lifting forks to their mouth aka Food Stamps. Loves me the dole. Idle survivor.

Why work, unless as a printer, as we counterfeit ourselves into prosperity?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:35 | 106998 cbxer55
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I have been out of work since January 3, 2009. I have applied to so many jobs, it fills a notebook. Done so many interviews, the thought of another one makes my retch.

Anyhow, thought I had a job at Tinker Air Force Base all wrapped up. But gee, who'da thunk the federal government would discriminate against someone with a hearing problem? Thats right, a hearing problem that is the result of working on aircraft for 22 years is keeping me from getting a job working on aircraft! For the feds!

And I cannot renew my Class A driving license, because, WAIT FOR IT! You have to be able to hear a "forced whisper" at five feet in order to drive a semi-truck! Gee, who'da thunk it?

You can't make this stuff up folks! TPTB are making it dang-near impossible for some of us to get a job anymore. I'd give up entirely, but have to make the effort in order to continue getting bennies. And I will exhaust my extended benefits in February 2010.

Glad all we have is a mortgage though. No ccs, no auto loans, nothing. Otherwise we'd be in deep doo-doo.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:42 | 107004 ghostfaceinvestah
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Sorry to hear your story, but I can't say I am surprised, this is totalitarian Fascism at its best (or worst, as it may be).

You are lucky we aren't at the next phase.  We know what the German Fascists did to those with "disabilities".

You think the talk of "Death Panels" came out of nowhere?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:06 | 107145 Anonymous
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Go watch this video entitled "The End of America"

The takeover is so subtle, Americans will wake up one day and the thought of revolting will be to far gone. They will just submit to it all.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:44 | 107006 VegasBD
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If you would have moved to Aussie on Jan would have increased your wealth in dollars by 50% by now, and you wouldn't have had to get a job, just swap all your dollars for aussie dollars.

AND you would have found work, less regulation.

Funny, thats why people used to immigrate here =\

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:21 | 107068 chet
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I'm sorry to hear your story.  There are too many like you.  Hang in there.  Remember family and friends are the most important.  Things are just things.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:31 | 107085 walküre
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Extreme regulations have killed the American economy. Why do you think our corporations have left the homeland and put their businesses elsewhere?

I'm seriously considering taking my money and moving to Thailand or other Asian country. English goes a long way there and as entrepreneur, there's always opportunity.

The red tape here makes me puke. I can't print money like some other folks, so what's a guy supposed to do? Wait for Santa Claus?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:24 | 107179 cougar_w
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Extreme greed has killed the American economy. Why do you think our corporations have left the homeland and put their businesses elsewhere?

The self-immolation and forced suicide here makes me puke.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:43 | 107209 faustian bargain
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extreme greed bolstered by moral hazard, you mean.

where is the risk? where is the fear of failure? our nanny is taking care of all obstacles.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 17:53 | 107400 walküre
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Money like water follows the path of least resistance.

That is why the US became the most powerful and the richest nation ever.

Regrettably that has changed and the money is flowing mainly into Asia.

Greed hasn't hurt the economy. No greed, no economy.

Regulations, bureaucracies and oligarchies have destroyed America.

I am greedy and I want to succeed. But why should I invest my capital and my talents where people are concerned about my carbon foot print rather than cheering me on to have a bigger carbon foot print and create jobs in the process.



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:45 | 107110 sgt_doom
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But, cbxer55, you are not surprised, are you???

I mean, you aren't one of those typical head-up-the-butt Americans who aren't aware of any surrounding evironment until something falls on them, right?

You do realize there is NO ECONOMY, right?  You do realize all America is about is FIRE, right?  You do know what FIRE means, right?

You do know that all there is be financialization & "financial engineering", right?

You do understand the scam of layer upon layer upon layer of securitization, right?  You do comprehend that this is what led up to the last Great Depression back in the '30s, right?  You do understand that Ponzi-tontine scheme known as credit derivatives, right?

You do realize that AIG was just an insurance firm (although technically an S&L, otherwise they wouldn't have qualified for bailout funds) doing massive insurance fraud by selling policies that they didn't have a frozen rat's ass chance in Hell of ever paying out, right?

You have paid attention to whom you elect for senator and congress critter, right?  Unlike 93% of Ameritards?

Glad we had this discussion.....

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:53 | 107124 chet
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The man's talking about being out of work for a year.  Why not save the sarcastic lectures, doom?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:28 | 107187 cougar_w
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This is what the destruction of the middle class sounds like.

Next up, blaming them for not being "competitive".

The end will be near when the middle class is referred to nostalgically as those "simple people chasing a paycheck."

I knew it would become ugly and dark. I had no idea it would be so distasteful.



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:46 | 107216 sgt_doom
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Sorry, but I've been working against these times we now live in for over thirty years - and I admit my life has been duly wasted (that includes thousands of unpaid volunteer hours).

Standing before PATCO (the former air traffic controllers' union) back in the late '70s, I pleaded with them not to support Reagan for the presidency, and warned them that they would shortly be sorry (little did I know just how quickly that would turn out to be the case).

I noted that Carter had sold out working Americans (passage of the tax bill giving tax breaks to corporations for laying off American workers & offshoring their jobs, the Depository Institutions and Monetary Control Act -- overturning anti-usury laws, etc., and the deregulation of airlines and trucking industries, etc.), but noted that it would become worse with a republicon in office, and we should make a last ditch attempt working through the dems.

Everything today was predicted and predictable --- but too many people could not be bothered away from those Sunday beer commercials....

Hence my compassion for my fellow Americans is at an all time low.....aiding and abetting, they say.....

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:26 | 107274 cougar_w
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Re-learn compassion.

We have all been boned. Nonstop. For 30 years.

90% of Americans are now in the grip of a mighty gang rape. This will continue for a decade, and will likely end in catastrophe.

Compassion will keep you sane through it. Compassion may be all we have left. Without that I fear greatly that nothing at all will be saved.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 17:52 | 107382 cbxer55
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I am not surprised by most of what you say. I have been following this downturn since sometime in 2007. I am well aware of the similaritys between now and the 1930s.

Also I am not a fan of the boobtube, hardly ever watch the thing, much to my wifes chagrin. I do not watch any of the so-called "reality shows". Only rarely do I watch the local news. I get most of my news from this here tube. It allows me to decide what to read, and what to ignore. I think I am better off for that, I am sure you would agree.

Yes I have paid attention to who I have voted for. And admittedly I have made some bad decisions there, but I am sure most of us can say the same. Anyone who voted for the current white house occupant, for starters?

But what has all that to do with my situation? All of that has to do with not being able to get a job because, at age 48, I suffer hearing problems? Most of which I have had since birth anyways. And up until now it has never been a problem, I have never been denied a job due to my hearing. Now here I am with the two industries I have worked in the last 30 years, and all of a sudden my hearing is a problem!

YES, THAT I AM SURPRISED ABOUT! Especially when Tinker AFB is a "Equal Opportunity Employer", and whose paperwork for the job even includes a code number for hard-of-hearing #16. So they have a code for it, but are now denying me a job because of the same. Yeah, I'm surprised. I know I should not be, but some things are just ridiculous. I could have been off unemployment, and working on Sept. 28 if things had gone as they were supposed to go.

Oh yes, I also realize that having a job where the pay comes from the government is not really a good thing. But at this point in time, a job is a job, I do not care who is paying for it. In the near future when the whole thing comes atumbling down, it will not matter one wit to any of us. But the money from a job can at least allow me to do a bit of preparing for that eventuality.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:16 | 107166 Anonymous
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You're in deep doo doo. Just a little higher in the septic tank sludge line.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:39 | 107000 lizzy36
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change you can believe in......

the good news is, fed and treasury are going to spend their time in a turf fight over who gets to regulate executive compensation. each coming up with competing schemes (like it fucking matters).

meanwhile, GS is busy advising the government on regulatory matters. 

Not surprisingly a focus of the meeting, it was clear that senior management is spending an exorbitant amount of time thinking about potential regulatory and policy outcomes and educating regulators and policymakers on the intricacies of financial markets. There is still considerable uncertainty on most fronts, and while the company is actively involved in the debate, it is not planning for any particular changes. Management noted that the regulatory discussion has become much more rational and less heated as debate has shifted to the details of achieving the objectives of the administration, Congress and legislators. In those exchanges, in which GS has been actively taking part, relevant parties are gaining a better appreciation of the complexity of markets and the risks of unintended consequences.

and finally to give all their laught for the day:

 10/22 01:38PM *DJ Fed's Dudley: Fed May Well Avoid Any Credit Loss On Emergency Lending

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:15 | 107164 AR
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LIZZY / Your post caught our eye. Could you expand your thought process? You wrote: Not surprisingly a focus of the meeting (what meeting), it was clear that senior management (of/with who) is spending an exorbitant amount of time thinking about potential regulatory and policy outcomes and educating regulators and policymakers on the intricacies of financial markets. There is still considerable uncertainty on most fronts, and while the company (???) is actively involved in the debate, it is not planning for any particular changes.  Thanks...

Who are you referring to when you speak of the "company"?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:39 | 107001 ghostfaceinvestah
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Spin?  This statistic won't even be reported.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:32 | 107192 cougar_w
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To speak the name of the Devil is to summon him.

It's an end-game. No need to wallow in it. Drink the Koolaid, you'll feel better.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:41 | 107003 Marvin the Mind...
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Nothing is unspinnable ... Slick Barry's economic trollette Romer was out today saying that the stimulus had saved or created 600K to 1.5MM jobs ...

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:44 | 107007 ghostfaceinvestah
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How many jobs are there in the US?  Why don't they take credit for saving all of them?  According to Paulson, if we hadn't passed TARP, we would all be living in caves by now, so likewise the stimulus must have saved at least half the jobs in this country.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:47 | 107114 sgt_doom
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You know, I've been wondering lately where this wireless is coming from, I certainly didn't realize my cave was equipped with it......

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:35 | 107198 cougar_w
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Might wanna try the red pill next time.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:47 | 107009 Anonymous
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The class of 2009 is at the 5, almost 6 month mark. It's starting to become crunch time for student loans repayment.
For every decent job there are way more applicants than there would be 2 - 3 years ago.

Assistants and entry level people's work is just being done by management now to help save money.

I don't have parents that can get me a job.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:49 | 107116 sgt_doom
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But Anon, dood, we live in a "meritocracy" where you don't require anyone to "get you a job" --- where "networking" (i.e., nepotism) isn't necessary.......

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:51 | 107121 chet
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Hang in there.  You have youth and flexibility, which are powerful things.  Just keep looking in a broad number of fields, move if you have to. 

If your parents can't help, think broader about your network of friends and contacts.  Keep up with as many people from college as possible and keep track of what they're doing/ where they're working.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:44 | 107210 cougar_w
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Unless you studied mechanical engineering or medicine, it is unlikely that much of anything you learned in college will have any value to society starting about -- 400 days ago.

I say this as a former college instructor.

They trained you for a job market that as of 12 months ago is a full-on fiction. You owe them nothing, you won't remember them in a year. Everything is changing.

You should start studying means of optimal self-sufficiency. This has nothing to do with living in a cave surrounded by guns and cans of spam. It has everything to do with being handy with a shovel, capable with a hammer, being able to eat anything that grows, and knowing what good soil looks like.

And learn the value of community. Surrounding yourself with guns makes you a target. Surrounding yourself with friends and neighbors makes you nearly invulnerable.

Harsh commentary. I have small children, and some days I can't face it. Just trying to help.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:08 | 107250 Cognitive Dissonance
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I moved into a small development of 75 units 3 years ago and I immediately began knocking on doors, introducing myself, helping people fix lights and locks etc. And I was always talking about the fact that we were a small community and we needed to grow together.

Family first, community second was something I always said when people would inevitably ask me why I was being so kind and helping out. Everyone wondered what I was up to. No one could understand why I would be doing what I was doing.

Things are rapidly changing. More and more of my neighbors are reaching out to each other. People sit on each others front steps, knock on the door to see if everything is OK if the person hasn't been out in a few days.

I now have people talking about using some unused common area as a community garden next year. But you get nothing out of the garden unless you put your time into it. People get it once the concept of local groups and activity is re-introduced into the consciousness. Our cars and TV have isolated us. Time to reverse that.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:30 | 107278 cougar_w
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Go go go!

Take as many with you as you can carry.

Pull. Hard. Repeat.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:52 | 107231 Bam_Man
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My honest advice: "Be All That You Can Be".

(It should actually be sung at a martial cadence for full effect)

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:50 | 107016 Dixie Normous
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Slightly off topic, but on topic of the F'n Fed and Treasury: That Frontline piece: The Warning, is must see tv.  But I recommend watching it while sitting in a tub of ice to counter act the boiling of one's blood.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:54 | 107025 ghostfaceinvestah
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That is why I didn't watch, because it would just get me more pissed off.

Anything insightful, or just a re-hash of the criminality we all know is taking place?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:04 | 107043 Dixie Normous
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Some old news back to LTCM, but the Brooksley Born story is one I wasn't familiar with.  The woman saw the train coming and Greenspan, Rubin and Summers just wanted to tie her to the tracks.

Seeing Arthur Levitt say he should have done more was pretty good.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:18 | 107062 Anonymous
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This watch, this watch could have saved one, maybe two more jobs!

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:50 | 107119 sgt_doom
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Wow, that's just because Levitt should be in jail right now, and as pathetic a crook as he is, even he is beginning to realize it....

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:48 | 107221 cougar_w
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He will go down as far and hard as the rest of us.

There is no air left under these wings. This thing is not going to fly. And nobody is going to escape.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 13:50 | 107020 Anonymous
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The transfer of all wealth to the aristocrats is underway. Long live Feudalism.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:39 | 107099 Anonymous
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But who are these feudal lords? Who are the wealthy aristocrats? TO whom is the taxpayer money being funnelded to?
We need names and answers!

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:51 | 107230 cougar_w
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However I wonder how much good it will do them.

Most are soft and effete, aggressive but limited. They have teeth but they are not sharp because their bites were never meant to be lethal, only intimidating.

How will they kill? What will they eat? Who will feed them and keep them alive?


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:01 | 107037 Anonymous
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It’s all good. People don’t need jobs, just better credit terms and availability so we can return the economy to normal.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:20 | 107065 Anonymous
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The class of 2009 is at the 5, almost 6 month mark. It's starting to become crunch time for student loans repayment.
For every decent job there are way more applicants than there would be 2 - 3 years ago.

Assistants and entry level people's work is just being done by management now to help save money.

I don't have parents that can get me a job.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:21 | 107067 Abraham Snake
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It seemed Arthur Levitt came just short of balling. But Brooksley's question is still unanswered, "What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?" I would be interested in opinions on this. The only thing I've heard so far is a Max Keiser point

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:28 | 107081 Dixie Normous
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I don't know, but I figured it had/has something to do the whole financial system being on the wrong side of hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars in derivatives.

Someone here must know better.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:55 | 107129 sgt_doom
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Levitt, head of the SEC at the time, had no excuses in the matter -- he is as guilty as Rubin, Gramm, Clinton and Greenspan.

What was hidden, of course, was ultra-leveraging.  CDOs upon CDOs upon CDOs; an unlimited number of credit default swaps written against one borrower, S&P colluding with the Bush Administration & Wall Street, not only to senior rate bonds which were nothing but junk, but to threaten individual state governments with down-rating their issued bonds if they threatened any mortgage lender with existing consumer and anti-predatory lending laws.

But most of it all, it was the ultra-leveraging (thanks to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act legislation) performed by those ultra-monopolies (thanks to the Financial Services Modernization Act - Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act).

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:52 | 107232 sgt_doom
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A very important point (sometimes too self-evident to those of us who have been studying this environment over the preceding twenty years) which still isn't that obvious to others, is that the majority of all those billionaires you read about in the business section derive from this market:

namely, debt-financed billionaires --- this can never be repeated enough:  DEBT-FINANCED BILLIONAIRES.

That means, their expenses were externalized (shipping all those jobs offshore), while their profits were internalized (400% rise in senior management and CEO salaries & perks).

So to, their debt has been socialized - saddling the bottom 90% with it -- while their profits have been privatized -- nothing for us but lost jobs and income, everything for them.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:54 | 107239 cougar_w
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Massive, inter-gallatic-scale Ponzi scheme. Since two generations ago.

There is nothing under the wings. There is no lift, only turbulence.

This thing can bounce but it cannot fly.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:22 | 107272 Bam_Man
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It has ALL been one big Ponzi party since August, 1971.

The level of corruption and greed involved has gradually built to a deafening crescendo.

Fri, 10/23/2009 - 10:33 | 108140 Abraham Snake
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Well, thanks for the responses!

I think it's safe to say that they wanted to hide massive widespread fraud. We could get lost in the details, thousands of awful flavors, leverage, accounting tricks, incomprehensible mathematics, and more. But quite simply, those at top were generating huge profits and personal incomes out of total junk, hidden inside opaque markets, fraud pure and simple.

There is an old investment rule: Over time, banks at best break even while the bankers themselves become incomprehensibly rich.

But after the commodities and futures modernization act provided them with significant federal legal protections, we see an even uglier picture. The banks accelerated the use these opaque markets as economic weapons of war. It's not so much that I think myself, my family, and my country has been swindled, it's that I think we've been bombed back to the economic stone age by war criminals!

The new investment rule: Over time, banks at best fail while the bankers themselves become economic warlords.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:24 | 107073 mellmeister
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That is undoubtedly good news. Yes we can, yes we can fuck the middle class! DOW rallies led by financials as the US peso rallies towards zero. Rahmp up the printing presses!

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:26 | 107078 chet
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Here's the spin we're getting out our way:  "unemployed people starting new businesses."

I hope its true, but the stories are generally backed up by two or three rather weak examples.  I admire the pluck of someone trying to start a street-corner donut stand, but I'm not convinced it's going to be the next Google.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:35 | 107092 walküre
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Starting a business with the unemployment benefits that they're getting? The banks sure as hell aren't lending any money to a new startup.

What's considered a "new business" these days?

A guy living in a pick up and asking around for a lawn mow job?

Fk this is so screwed.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:26 | 107183 Takingbets
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"What's considered a "new business" these days?"

Oriental massage parlors. I saw one putting up the sign last night while returning a broken light bulb next door to it. Like thats going to be a sucessful endeavor in this economy.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 17:09 | 107335 Anonymous
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I think it might work. I have a case of the "Yellow Fever", where is it located? And by "broken light bulb" you mean???

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:57 | 107134 sgt_doom
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No offense, chet, but that's really stupid!  Who is doing the lending?  Who has any money to purchase anything?

If you heard that on NPR, do you have any idea who and what is behind the Starr Foundation which supports them?  The John D. MacArthur Foundation which supports them?  (BTW, until AIG, John D. MacArthur was historically America's biggest insurance fraudster!)

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:12 | 107157 chet
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I didn't say I understood it.  Just that it's the spin we've gotten recently.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:36 | 107095 TomJoad
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I am going long irony and short reality. Filing for unemployment for the very first time ever (I am well over 40) as I type this.  I have about $400K in unused available credit, thinking about buying physical gold and moving to Brazil. I guess my wife would probably not wholeheartedly approve. For those of you who think you are secure, think it can't happen to you, it can and it probably will given our current direction.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:09 | 107252 cougar_w
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Good luck. I mean that.

Also, take the money and run. For all values of "run" that your wife would agree to.

Become. Extremely. Frugal.

I meet people on the streets that used to have jobs. Good people, just down and out. I could end up there, I and my little family. It will be a random event, in the end, like a strike of lightning.

There is. No. Shame.

There is no guilt. We tried to make it work, but the bastards just had to break it. That's their fault, they are f*ckers, someone should kill them for it but it wouldn't change anything.

Things will be more local now. There won't be a global anything.

I don't know how to explain all this to my kids. But I bet they already figured it out.



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:34 | 107284 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's the older adults that need this concept explained to them. The kids are already figuring it out and have decided not to play the game.

They know there is no social safety net, no social security, no nothing. They are talking among themselves and waiting for the drunken fools the elders have become to fall flat on their faces.

It will happen. It is inevitable. It is obvious where we are going and why it is happening.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 18:40 | 107501 cougar_w
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Here in Silicon Valley, the heart of all [evil|invention] the kids are standing on the railroad tracks during the commute hour.

Palo Alto is seeing a suicide cluster. The authorities are telling the media "It's your fault for reporting these things, it gives kids ideas."

I don't think that's it at all.

I think the children of the elites have seen the furthest, and have begun to lose all hope.

Well-heeled kids of rich parents commiting bloody, dismembering suicide on the tracks... is a signal.

I don't know what it signals. Exactly. But something is wrong on the better side of the tracks and I don't think it can be any good for the rest of us either.


Thu, 10/22/2009 - 18:00 | 107410 walküre
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"Become. Extremely. Frugal."

"There is. No. Shame."


In the end it is us vs. the banks and their political whores.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:41 | 107103 TraderMark
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Who needs jobs when the government pays for cars and houses?


Jobs only (a) reduce by 8 hours a day the time Americans can shop and (b) increase costs to our multinationals...


the less jobs = higher profits = higher stock market

Enough with this focus on jobs... a 98% jobless rate would do wonders for coporate profits. 

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 14:43 | 107108 TraderMark
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another positive spin, less jobs = more borrowing against future generations wealth to create more stimulus.  That can only be good for the stock market.  Boo yah



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 15:35 | 107199 Anonymous
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Deport the unemployed to Australia.

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 17:21 | 107350 Park city skier
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I seen a positive headline on yahoo that unemployment was down for OHIO and the Midwest region. Of course I didn’t believe it so I did some research.  This is what I found;

{Ohio's unemployment rate was 10.1 percent in September, down from 10.8 percent in August, according to data released this morning by the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Ohio's nonfarm wage and salary employment decreased 5,900 over the month, from 5,103,100 in August to 5,097,200 in September.

"Ohio's unemployment rate declined in September as more Ohioans dropped out of the labor force," ODJFS Director Douglas Lumpkin said in a news release. "The service-providing and goods-producing sectors continued to show losses as well."}


The government is trying to spin reality, to keep up confidence. How do they know when someone drops out from looking for work? Is it a question on the food stamp application?

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 18:07 | 107426 walküre
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U3 vs U6

"offical" number U3 will get up to 15% within 2 years.

U6 is more telling and will get closer to 30%.

Every 3rd American who has worked over the last 5 years will have no job.

Recovery -whatever that may look like- is impossible under these conditions.

FYI they tried in France mucking with the working hours per week to increase employment and that hasn't worked either.

The jobs are no longer here and won't come back. It is cheaper to produce in China or other Asian country. It's been going for years. The illusion of a prosperous American society was kept alive by pouring out trillions of cheap credit. That's over and done with.

Anyone who can tell me one realistic upside to these projections, let me know.



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 18:42 | 107507 ozziindaus
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Here's an upside for ya. The more unemployed means easy draft into the military. Wanna bet an all out war is the plan for the next 3 years? Lets' look at some parallel;

Germany's broken economy and industrial destruction post WW1 (US from 1980-present)

Germany's frustration towards the money lenders and bank cheats (US S&N and Credit crisis)

Germany's high unemployment and welfare reliance (US at depression level U6)

Germany's (Weimer Rep.) hyperinflation (US$ takes big shit)

Hitler named "Man of the Year" by TIME Magazine 1938 (Obama recieves Nobel Piece prize)

Can anyone add anymore?



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 18:46 | 107517 cbxer55
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Since a good many of the unemployed are probably my age or older, 48, that would be one heck of a military force! Especially with guys like me with bad hearing. Platoon leader or whoever barks out an order, and everyones like "huh, say what? Can ya repeat that one please? I can't hears ya!" LOL :>)

Of course if the idea is just to kill a bunch or old farts off, guess it'll do the trick.

Where do I sign up? 8-)

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 19:49 | 107595 walküre
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Reparations were a debt that the Weimar Republic couldn't service.

US debt is not serviceable and cannot be repaid. 

But the US will NEVER start a war. The aggression always comes from somewhere else. US is defending itself or its allies. History is written by the winners.

A great war effort, mass destruction and mass casualities are already in the planning.

Politics or political options don't change.



Thu, 10/22/2009 - 22:04 | 107760 Anonymous
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Unemployment may be high, but workplace efficiency has gone up, Up, UP!!!

Thu, 10/22/2009 - 23:38 | 107848 Unscarred
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I really don't see any problem here.  Between gold, oil and equities, who would be surprised by the labor market setting new highs, as well?

Bull market rally reaffirmed.

Fri, 10/23/2009 - 03:22 | 107987 JacksWastedLife
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Sorry guys, there are not enough vacancies on Wall Street for you.

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 02:44 | 224623 Anonymous
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Hey, I'm an engineer. Been unemployed for two years. Engineering is a dead end carrier for Americans anymore. I doubt that 10% of American engineers are employed as engineers.

When fields such as engineering are considered poor choices for employment it points to something fundamentally wrong. I keep hearing about a shortage of engineers, yet all the numbers point to a glut of engineers. High unemployment(even though an engineer driving a truck is considered an employed truck driver not an unemployed engineer) short carriers(35 is almost to old to be employed!) offshoring outsourcing and the wonderful H-1B program that brings in more engineers each year then the total number of engineering jobs created. If you think the H-1B is about bringing in talent, why are they all from third world countries and not from engineering centers like Germany or Japan?

I have less than $20,000 in student loans left to pay but my current salary of $7.75 an hour (no medical vacation sick time etc) wont even cover the interest on the loan.

I'm writing this while contemplating suicide. I wish I had never gone to college. I wasted my youth working and studying.

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 16:21 | 229003 Park city skier
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Your personnel situation will get better, trust me it may take some time but there is always hope. The secret is believing in yourself.  You are empowered to create your reality. Have you look at becoming an entrepreneur or a math teacher (always a demand for high school math teacher). If you live in a state like MI you should move to a state like Utah. You can open a chimney sweep business for a couple hundred dollars in start up cost and charge $150 a cleaning that take about 1 hour. Opportunities always exist.

Wed, 02/24/2010 - 04:14 | 242872 Anonymous
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How unemployment is measured in the United States is an important matter. Employment is an easy one: It's the total number of people employed full-time or part-time. Unemployment is another story. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which collects the federal unemployment data, doesn't account for all the jobless in its official unemployment rate. They consider the unemployed to be those who are “jobless, looking for jobs, and available for work.”

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