Bad News For GM: As China's Own "Cash For Clunkers" Program Ends, Car Sales Come Far Below Expectations; BYD Sales Plunge

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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:44 | 1163126 Rodent Freikorps
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GM should die.

They are the typical zombie company the unions seem to create.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:49 | 1163135 cossack55
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Right on, Bro. Drive a Charlie Munger stake thru its corrupt heart.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:53 | 1163148 Rodent Freikorps
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If they need .gov money to survive, they are, by definition, corrupt.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:57 | 1163163 Hugh G Rection
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My new Lincoln drives great. Fuck you GM

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:12 | 1163192 topcallingtroll
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I will never buy a uaw government motors car.
They shit upon minority unsecured bondholders and
said "stakeholders" too many times.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:52 | 1163279 Mentaliusanything
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So now how many (people) are on .Gov handouts. 44 million get a sub for food, some free medical, some a sub for a car, appliance or a hooker.(well hookers should be a health sub)

In the end ask yourself do you really want to be reliant on the hand that fees you??? think about it is it not better to be reliant on yourself.

you will always be around, the government well maybe not ya sugar daddy fulltime.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:07 | 1163174 Grifter
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GM just announced $100M investment in Rochester NY plant on Lexington Ave, watching the story on WHEC NBC 10 right now.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:07 | 1163181 kengland
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I love my 2001 ext cab silverado. Best truck out there. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:45 | 1163130 homersimpson
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Buffett/Munger. Two dudes who are finally exposed as front runners and bailout recipients.

Looks like they're naked now that tide is slowly seeping away..

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:50 | 1163141 cossack55
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Not necessarily a mental image I would wish to conjure up.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:03 | 1163311 long juan silver
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The master investor is into BYDDF near $10 while it's now close enough to $2 that it could spit there.

The great investor and businessman that we can all sigh about and fawn upon.

Fucking scumbag thief. Hands all over the great TARP payola bailout scandal.

Would Bernak have payed off GS's massive AIG false flag/con if Warren hadn't just then gone neck deep into GS? Without Warren stepping into a puddle of CDS poo with GS, AIG wouldn't have gotten a nickel, the arrogant, insular insurance bastards risking $125 billion to shave 7 basis points.

This fucking country's government needs removal to a gulag.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:49 | 1163139 falak pema
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the biggest winner in China is Renault/Nissan they have the right products range for that market. It's cheap, clean and low on gas. Perfect in the rising oil scenario. China will stay away from glitzy cars as the economy slows down. Inflation eats status symbol appetites. That is if the local car makers/govt. lets them push hard...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:51 | 1163143 cossack55
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What do "glitzy" cars have to do with GM?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:48 | 1163140 Hedgetard55
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GM green today - but gave back most of it after hours. Below 30 tomorrow? Barry be on the phone to Ben tonight.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:32 | 1163150 Rodent Freikorps
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Pork bellies, bitches.

Bacon is a comfort food.

Missed the trade, Mr. junker?

I told you that on saturday night.


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:56 | 1163153 TideFighter
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I saw a small group of BYD's. I was about as impressed as when I first saw the Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto, AMC Pacer, and [I actually owned this one) a Gremlin Levi Edition. These cars may work for the Chinese, but would never be accepted here. Fit and finish are very, very poor. I'm sure Munger knew that... 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:55 | 1163157 topcallingtroll
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Wow the tone is changing.
This is all starting to sound


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:56 | 1163160 NotAllowed
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Not Allowed!! Commence QE infinity!!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:48 | 1163264 c0ncerned citizen
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To Infinity and Beyond!!!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:58 | 1163164 Jason T
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They don't need cars in China, they have high speed rail.  something we in American refurse to build because ....

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:16 | 1163204 pagan
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Exactly, they need rail and they are building it. Still there seem to a lot of mega stoopid chinese going for gas guzzlers, watching too much Yankee TV I suppose.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:05 | 1163314 cossack55
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Screw speed. In a hurry, fly. Give me an old fashioned diesel-electric doing 50 MPH and a club car and sleeper. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:16 | 1163201 Caviar Emptor
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GM is only the poster boy for moribund companies that have been brought back from the dead since 2008, including AIG, the large broker/dealers, BAC and the overlevered banks etc.....

And what do yo get when you try to resurrect corpses? Rot! 

The greatest harm done to the US economy is that the rotting corpses prevent new entrants, new competition, new ideas, new people. Instead of reinvigorating capitalism the supply-side Fed has been in the business keeping it dying. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:19 | 1163208 gwar5
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It's a beautiful thing....


CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - Big banks like Bank of America Corp and Citigroup Inc should be reclassified as government-sponsored entities and have their activities restricted, a senior Fed official said on Tuesday.

The 2008 bank bailouts at the height of the financial crisis and other implicit guarantees effectively make the largest U.S. banks government-guaranteed enterprises, like mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said Kansas City Fed President Thomas Hoenig.

"That's what they are," Hoenig said at the National Association of Attorneys General 2011 conference.


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:20 | 1163217 Trying to Understand
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Why don't we acknowledge that when obama did the 'cash for clunkers' program it was presented, and accepted as "his idea".  Now China has done the same program.  I ran a search for "cash for clunkers".  It is a United Nation's World Bank program.

Will we ever acknowledge and discuss the fact that the UN is undermining our National Sovereignty.  We have no trouble throughly hashing over all the "symptoms" of our National Delemia/s - but we never seem to get to the Source of all our National Delemia/s...  Until we do, the Delemia/s will never go away, much less stop coming.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:37 | 1163385 Ident 7777 economy
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  I ran a search for "cash for clunkers". It is a United Nation's World Bank program.

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Any hints on how I should google that? Cuz, I'm not finding much ...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:20 | 1163221 Johnk
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Berkshire's basis in BYD is something like $230 million, a rounding error at BRK.  Munger probably has that much in the seat cushions at his house.

Why not just put up a permanent link at the top of ZH announcing "ZH Hates Those Evil Bastards Buffett & Munger (and Cooperman!) So Much!!!!!"?  

That way all the people who want to have a thoughtful discussion of the issues can post insightful things like "Warren is a fat greasy pig!!" all day long in one place, instead of in every comment section of every ZH article.  You could even start a John Gutfreund fan club or something! 



Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:24 | 1163225 Rusty Shorts
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:27 | 1163230 Cole Younger
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GM should have been broken up and sold off.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:33 | 1163234 virgilcaine
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Who needs a steering wheel anyway at 55 mph? 100 Million spent to creat a grand total of 30 jobs In Rochester. Truly Guvment ROI.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:29 | 1163236 RobotTrader
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One of the most popular cars being purchased in L.A. right now is the new Chevy Camaro.

400 HP from the factory.  Some guys I know put aftermarket chips and cool air intakes and they get 502 HP on the dyno.

Trump will be driving one as the pace car for the Indy 500 this year.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:39 | 1163248 drink or die
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What a great idea with LA's notoriously horrible traffic and high gas prices.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:43 | 1163255 Chumbadumba
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SHUT THE FUCK UP and make with the cheesecake pics!


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:34 | 1163241 savagegoose
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but they would want mark to bullship prices for it, only fools that go for that sort of trade are the gov

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:37 | 1163243 disabledvet
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How much production is being lost due to Japan?  Clearly "demand might be off slightly" in that area.  Shall we throw in China as well?  OK.  I'm no fan of GM--but when you wipe out two divisions, shove all the debt into the worthless GMAC and stick that "good news" to the taxpayer it was hard not to like the IPO.  I think it goes without saying the USA can "soak up a lot of production" if said producers so desire but in the meantime "aren't the Japanese mfger's in a little trouble here?"  I must say i find it amazing how low the price a loaded 4 door sedan is in the USA compared to a bare bones pick-up truck with a diesel engine.  And of course "the price of fuel means the custromer is lining up at the dealer to grab those diesel pickups and SUV's."

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:37 | 1163397 Rodent Freikorps
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What, exactly, does government run that you like?


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:05 | 1163315 Bill the Cat
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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 21:28 | 1163732 TruthInSunshine
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I won't defend GM having owned some real shitboxes made by GM in former years, but given saving GMs or Chryslers versus JP Morgans or Goldman Sachs, I'd save GMs or Chryslers any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 03:39 | 1164395 cowpieflapjack
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Aren't they all the same thing?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 01:27 | 1164257 Clowns to the l...
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For some reason this clip seems...Fitting.

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