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Bank Of America To Pay $8.5 Billion To Settle Mortgage (Mis)Representation Suit With BlackRock, Pimco, New York Fed Et Al.

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Bank of America may be about to part with more money than it has earned since 2008 in what will soon be the biggest financial settlement in the industry to date According to the WSJ, the Charlotte, NC-based bank is preparing to pay $8.5 billion to settle mortgage (mis)representation claims (aka the Mortgage putback issue) brought on by such high profile figures as BlackRock, Pimco, MetLife and, of course, the Federal Reserve, previously discussed on Zero Hedge. "A deal would end a nine-month fight with a group of 22 investors that hold more than $56 billion in mortgage-backed securities at the center of the dispute, including giant money manager BlackRock Inc., insurer MetLife Inc. and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York." Keep in mind that this is actually not good news for the bank, contrary to what the company's stock is doing after hours, as this still keeps the company exposed to a multitude of other rep and warranty litigation (which will now be largely underreserved), not to mention fraudclosure issues, which are totally unrelated, and which will plague the bank for years and years. Lastly, BAC is largley underreserved (see below) for a settlement of this size which means its Tier 1 capital ratio will likely be impacted due to a major outflow of cash.

From the WSJ:

The deal could embolden mutual-fund managers, insurance companies and investment partnerships to go after similar settlements with other major U.S. banks, arguing that billions in loans scooped up before the U.S. housing collapse didn't meet sellers' promises or were improperly managed. Most vulnerable would be Wells Fargo & Co and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., which along with Bank of America collect loan payments on about half of all outstanding U.S. mortgages.

The dispute between Bank of America and the mortgage investors began last fall when they alleged that securities they bought before the financial crisis from Countrywide Financial Corp. were composed of loans that didn't meet sellers' promises about the quality of the borrowers or the collateral.

While it is still very much unclear what the terms of the settlement are, one thing is certain: BofA acquisition of Countrywide for $4 billion is rapidly becoming the worst purchase in the history of M&A. Luckily, Angelo "Agent Orange" Mozillo, has a permanent get out of jail card. One wonders just what dirty secrets old Angelo know about the housing market (or regulators' sexual lifestyles) that not one regulatory agency or DA office is willing to go after him?

And, as often happens, we were quite correct when we speculated back in January that Bank of America is woefully underreserved for this development:

Can You Spell U-N-D-E-R-R-E-S-E-R-V-E-D? If Not, Here Is A Visualization Aid

Following today's news of an imminent lawsuit to be filed against Bank
of America by such entities as the New York Fed (which, by the way, it
had to do, and not voluntarily, but merely as a function of its
fiduciary duty to taxpayers through its Maiden Lane holdings, managed,
conveniently enough, by Bank of America minority holding BlackRock)
everyone promptly has taken a quick look back at the bank's earnings
presentation, and especially one little piece of data: the putback
reserve. Taking a quick look a page 23 on the pdf we read: "3Q10 reps and warranties provision of $872M is $376M lower than 2Q10,
as the current quarter included an increase in expected repurchases
from GSEs while 2Q10 included additional provision for monolines." So
how does this stack up relative to the $47 billion in putback demands by
such legal "dilettantes" as Bill Gross, Bill Dudley and Larry Fink? We
have created the chart below to assist in that particular question. We
are also confident that with each passing day we will have to add to the
red-shaded area as more and more putback lawsuits come out of the
woodwork. And as to where the deficiency amount will have to be funded
from? Think cold, hard cash. The same cash that until recently would
have been on the "sidelines."

 


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Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment bigwavedave
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what no jailtime?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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lmao

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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here is the bank of america "put-back" issue explained for the learning impaired (starts @ 2: 55)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SAxxaqPR7o

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment macholatte
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+10

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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MethLife....another disaster about to go BOOM.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:59 | Link to Comment max2205
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I see Obamarama giving BAC a presidential pardon so we can forget by the 2012 elections

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Wow.  I love a woman who really knows how to enunciate like that!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Never_Put_Down
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Nice read blunderdog, I was reading her lips all the way...every enunciation, every nuance

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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She was reading that way so that even mainstream "journalists" could understand.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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I'm sending that link to my Congress Critters! They may have to watch it 7 or 8 times before they understand, or more.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Sausagemaker
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"Last time a saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it!"

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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Wonder how much my FAZ is going up tomorro? :P

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:13 | Link to Comment quintago
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Reps and Warranties? Are those like taxpayer bailouts?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Logans_Run
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I was listening to John Mellencamp's "Baby You Make It Hurt so Good" while reading your post, got lost in your avatar...uh....what was it you said?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Speaking of avatars....

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:20 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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He said "Jiggly boobs, jiggly boobs, boobs that jiggle!"

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Just a quick reminder from IRA's Chris Whalen this morning:

BAC settlement does NOT cover "Investors’ securities and fraud claims and certain other claims"

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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Geithner will channel Paulson, and voila:  TARP II

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:13 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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yah really, they aren't paying for anything.

WE ARE!!!!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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And why is that motherfucker Mozilo not in prison?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Cdad
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His skin tone frightened the other prisoners.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:10 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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That dude goes to jail and I guarantee he is going to be picking up a lot of soap from the floor :P I cannot even concieve of what his nickname might be :)

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:27 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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"Mozillo 'My Bitch' Pillow"..."So Mo, how do you like Federal 'Pound Me In the Ass Prison'?"

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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He didn't need an orange jumpsuit.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Quixotic_Not
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And why is that motherfucker Mozilo not in prison?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VNPv2rJeid0/TUjm5Etu8VI/AAAAAAAACCU/Wx-tQS0LAP...

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Naaa

Bank Of America Price Target = 5.90$

0.4x P/ BV = if Price to book value its useful..and representative with a proper accounting and audit Real Estate methodology

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment WilliamShatner
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My January puts in B of A are gonna be worth a ton of $$ soon.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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BAC up after hours....LOL!!!!!  Party at the Hamptons this weekend!  Bring a mask!

Juvenile - Back That Ass Up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL2txMU50CI
Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Never_Put_Down
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Only $8.5 Billion? Chump change, let's party like it was 1999

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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$8.5 billion can become $85 billion with fractional reserve lending!  That is a lot of liability to cover.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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Dude, don't sweat it. The middle class taxpayers will cover it. Hey, where'd they go?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:18 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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so..all settled now.....

we start buying from tomorrow?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Franken_Stein
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...

From your bank accounts aka the cash reserve.

From excess reserves of BofA with the Fed.

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:34 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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Bank of America will be sacrificed.  That was decided long ago.  It is not a NYC bank, like JP Morgan.  It is out of Charlotte, NC.  They will be split up as the lamb at the luncheon.  The rest will say, "look how responsible we all are".  Goldman, Citi and JPM will laugh their asses off at the gullibility of the American sheep.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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And they wouldn't change the name to "Banc of Amerika"...

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:16 | Link to Comment sheep92
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This is actually bullish for the market as 8.5 billion dollars sitting around doing nothing are now going to folks who might put it to use. BAC, who knows or cares.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:54 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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I have downgraded Dick Bove to subhuman cunt, from cunt. 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Never_Put_Down
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+10

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:30 | Link to Comment BC6
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lol, that is beautiful WestVillage

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment candyman
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This must be the reason Dick Bove upgraded this POS but hid this little nugget from us all. This guys on FIRE!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment richard in norway
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i'm confused, 8.5 billion is a lot of money, was the market really expecting a worse result. i'm surprised that the lawsuit got this far

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Orly
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I think the joke here is that mortgage fraud is worth trillions of dollars, yet no one has claimed responsibility, much less gone to prison.

$8.5B used to be a lot of money...and I'm sorry to say this but...please try to keep up.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:24 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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Your doing fine Richard. Being able to admit what you don't understand will keep you kicking in this business. In fact it might be more important that what you DO understand.  Also I cannot fathom why B of A is up afterhours.... uh algos? what? What don't we know?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment candyman
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This must be the reason Dick Bove upgraded this POS but hid this little nugget from us all.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Panic buying in the AH session...and....it's gone.

The same cash that until recently would have been on the "sidelines."

LOL!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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On the day BAC bought Countrywide the stock was at $38 per share.  BRAVO!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment YesWeKahn
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Time to celebrate, at least it's not 80 billion. Let's rally the stock market.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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I was just reading an great article last night linked to from Jesse's about ,among other things, how the private sector was much more effective at effecting justice for financial crimes then federal regulators and today there is this proof of the thesis. It is refreshing to see the cabal being hit where it hurts but it would be much, much better if they got a piece of mr. Orange.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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If they went after Tangelo for the fraud and pump and dump schemes that would set a bad precedent.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:29 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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I'll go read that article, however I remember Greenspan said the same to Brooksley Born. He said "Let the market take care of the fraudsters!"  Classic.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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Article was TBTF or too big to change? by Chad Johnson

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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Thanks, good article :) Can be found at the link below.

 

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/06/25/too-big-to-fail-or-too-big-to-change/

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Rynak
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Pray real hard to Benron now!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment The Proletariat
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Signed,

 

Linda Green

Vice President

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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Higher fee's coming to a BAC customer near you.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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This is huge for the monolines.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment MonkeySmoke
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One member of the criminal cabal down, several more to go. Then the real celebration can begin!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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How long until BAC starts jacking up fees on its customers?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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coupla Qs: 

are those underreserves marked to market?  is there an under/under line?

also, does  BofA + countrywide = jpmorgue/rockefeller + wachovia?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:44 | Link to Comment oogs66
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think someone knew and that's why bank stocks were heavy today with SPX screaming?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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I say Tangelo Mozilo has dirt on the entire Fannie/Freddie industrial-fraud-complex...

Why else no-touchy-touchy on Tangelo??

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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he has dirt on half the usa senate.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:17 | Link to Comment wisefool
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This may or may not be true. But what exactly passes for "dirt" now adays?

People know the housing bubble was scam. But it kept people off the streets for a while

 

  • Barney Frank admitted to having a roomate who ran a male prostitution ring out of his apartment
  • Anthony Weiner was sexting to people who he did not verify thier ages.
  • Vitter admitted to soliciting prostitutes and is still serving.
  • Nancy Pelosi is a leader of the progressive/class warfare momement, but has a net worth in the stratosphere.
  • Michelle Bachmann is one of the purported leaders of the "TeA pArTY" but is a former IRS employee and post graduate tax lawyer, whose family farm recieved $250,000 in federal subsidies.
  • Dick Cheney has a gay daughter.
  • Bill Clinton had oral sex with that woman
  • HVAC on Al Gore's home and vehicles contribute more to global warming than the typical small town USA
  • There were no WMDs in Iraq.
  • The govenator had a love child with a servant, and got away with it while married to a daughter of one of the most powerful political familes in the USA.
  • Ben Bernake told 60 minutes that he does not print money, one year after he told 60 minutes that he does print money.

 

 

So, with a gritty, gritty grain of irradiated sea salt: Exactly what kinds of things would be "dirt" moving forward into this brave new world?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Well, let's see. Say, maybe, an IRS agent sent to audit your tax returns, and he finds your last post here at ZH. Would that be considered dirt?

I fear that the new definition of "dirt" will be in the eye of the beholder.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Ehh, I am resigned to paying almost every dollar of my future income to taxes.

As you say, thats my scoop of dirt.

 

EDIT: Regarding my list, which one of the statements did I make that were not legitimate news stories?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment treemagnet
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Lets be clear now, he did NOT have "zexual relations" with THAT woman....and Gore well, fuck - cut him some slack hey, I mean, this is the man that invented the internet!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Right. Here are some other examples of dirt:

 

  • Donald Trump made all of his billions honestly. He also was honest when he bankrupted on several other piles of money(debt).
  • Linda McMahon would have been a fantastic elected executive official. Managing congress critters and pro wrestlers is not really that different. She would have also been effective controlling the special interest groups/lobbyists. (read wrestling factions, agents and managers)
  • The Reagan administration did do bad stuff during Iran contra.
  • Reagan,however, wiped out tons of of loopholes from the tax code.
  • Reagan did introduce the rampant deficit spending, but see also tax code,cold war.
  • (If you find somebody who really hates Reagan, ask them which one of these they are most upset about, look for eye movement to the left when they speak)
  • Senator Byrd used to be openly racist.
  • Dodd got a sweetheart mortgage from mozillo.
  • When Nader ran against Clinton and Dole, the press demonized him for having a $1M net worth. Doles' wife Elizabeth collected a $1M yearly salary as executive of the charity called the American Red Cross. And we all know Bill's job history since he left the presidency. 
  • Grant really did drink a lot.
  • Ben Franklin was a womanizer
  • John Boehner, the face of the evil, rich money grubbing republicans, has a relatively low net worth compared to the congress critters he is in charge of.
And for the Grande Finale: Everything that Nixon did during Watergate, is now legal.

 

So, I am still learning how the world works, but it keeps changing on me. What kinda dirt is going to be the bad stuff (dirt) people collect moving forward? There is nothing more to learn on CNBC except that Michelle C^2 and her crew in greece are troopers for putting up with the green laser pointers they flash at them.

Much of the above is snarky. But I am sincere when I say thanks for Zerohedge and all of you posters.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment laughing_swordfish
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They were lucky to get $67.5 million from the Tangelo and give him his "get out of jail and go away" card.

Right from the get-go, Tangelo had demanded that the "settlement" (actually a wrist-slap "cost-of-doing-business" nick) be "Global" - i.e. a full and final settlement of all civil AND criminal charges by the Feds.

Once the Feds pondered the matter, and realized that he would be the "Mother of All Canaries" at either a civil or criminal trial, they were happy to see him go. Chirs Dodd's "early retirement" was just one casualty, as Dodd was told that should Mozilo go to trial either civilly or criminally, he would be star witness and fall guy, along with his bung buddy Bawney Fwank.

Dragging sitting Senators and Congressmen into court as witnesses or co-conspirators is a definite career-limiting move at DOJ or SEC.

However, BofA may yet have recourse against the Orangeman

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Get back to me when that check is actually written.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Texas Ginslinger
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Can BOA just create some new junk debt, box it up with AAA wrapping paper and sell it to unsuspecting fund managers to cover this..??

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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too much trouble for that. they can just go to the fed window and get the 8.5 interest free.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:47 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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They've already gone to the fed window and "earned" the 8.5 in interest--just for being them.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Actually, fractional reserve banks can create money for free.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Don't BlackRock 'over-see' SLV? and relevance or nothing to worry about?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Chump change!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Southern_Povert...
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I am greatly disturbed by the comments I have read on this website. These blogs appear to be riddled with right-wing extremists and conspiracy theorists.  The hateful and racist undertones underlying these fringe beliefs should not and will not be tolerated.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment magpie
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Crony capitalists and dysfunctional banks are the mainstay of our society's diversity. Please be tolerant.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Orly
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</sarc>

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:19 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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You're new to this Internet thingy, aren't you?

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:26 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Dangit.

Hamy or Gunslinger got me again! Its a fake.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 17:42 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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They make it sound like we are in their HR department. I see broad strokes of "racism" painted over ZH in the near future.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Maybe you should stick to reading articles and avoid the comment section.

There are the rare bigoted comments. I think most of the libertarian conspiracy freaks would be appalled at being.called right wing, and unfortunately some stereotypes represent uncomfortable patterns which I see no problem with addressing those in fight club.

Southern Poverty Law Center considers Oath Keepers an extremist organization and at that point lost my support. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. It certainly isnt racist.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Orly
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Thanks, doc.

And to quote one of the best orators ever to grace the Earth:

"One day, a man will be judged not by the colour of his skin but by the content of his character."

I am an avowed conspiracy theorist because as we're all finding out much to my glee, they're all true.  Never, ever, have I been a racist; nor shall I ever be.

And as an adjunct to what I know is coming in this fight, a paraphrased and Libertarian extention:

"One day, a man will not be judged by the colour of his skin, nor by the creed to which he supposedly adheres, but by the content of his words, actions and overall character."

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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I have always been in love with your avatar!

I have a soft spot for sweet little country girls.

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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Whomever possesses the mouse that junked Orly kindly step forward and reclaim your refuse with a conscious rebuttal or be forever deemed 'troll' or 'pussy'. Your choice. No offense top caller. My apologies to those sensitive to the p word.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Clay Hill
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A+ for timely choice of subject matter, and thematic development.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Robslob
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Sorry

Now Fuck Off!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:36 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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Your going to decide what is tolerable eh? What an absurd and laughable thing to say! You sir have earned my junk, please don't trouble yourself with a reply :)

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Axenolith
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You would probably be more productive in protecting society by keeping tabs on Morris Dees than financial sites...

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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What race are you? I'd like to make a comment that will validate your phobia. In fact, don't bother. Just fill in the  blanks below: a sort of do-it-yourself sadism--which is what you're mostly good at, right?

 

You dirty __________ __________! We don't need no steengking _________s around here. You ________s are always plotting to ____________ ________ __________--and other stuff. Go _____ yourself ________!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Who let these douchebags into the party? There goes the GD neighborhood. Time to bleach the pool, shave the dog, and de-lice the kiddies. 'Fringe beliefs'? Oh, you mean shit that doesn't reflect your pathetic views of 'equality'. I love idiots how go 'I don't like what I hear on TV/radio'. Here's a thought Einstein, CHANGE THE FUCKING CHANNEL! Wow, is that a novel concept. If you don't like what you're reading here YOU"RE ON THE WRONG FUCKING SITE ASSHOLE! Kindly go mindfuck some other pieces of mindless zombie trash and stop peeing in ZH's pool. On second thought, come on in! The kool-aids over there...

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 02:46 | Link to Comment jomama
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i lol'd

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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How is this any different than Anglo Gold Ashanti and Barrick spending billions upon billions to exit their hedge books?  These mining companies should have been wiped out.

But they are still alive today just like nothing happened.

Same thing with the banks, all will settle and pay billions, but nothing bad is going to happen to them.  Bank of America will probably be here for the next 100 years, after brushing with bankruptcy and insolvency at least 3 - 4 times during that period.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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It's my opinion that Bank of America will be fed to the other banks. Also there is a need to "address" the fruad in the system. The other banks will back this kind of "change" for the better, and the poltical capitol is required to move forward with the effective pilfering of the people. All theorys and guesswork :)

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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@ robo

mister market is talking. are you listening? take a look at the 3 month charts of GS MS BAC JPM. a story is being told by the market and it's not pretty.

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Tater Salad
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Agree whole heartedly Carless Whisper, but you should go back to doing what you do best...sucking cock.

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:54 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Those miners paid cash to unwind loan positions so they would not have gold hedged, because hedging gold is stupid with a rising price, because the said miners would be paying spot after loaning the physical under it.   After relieving their hedge positions they can keep the physical and thus they would benefit from a rise in the price of physical; and you are comparing that action to the fraud of BAC which is ridiculous.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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I'm with you. I thought it was like comparing apples to can openers too.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:33 | Link to Comment treemagnet
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Fuck yeah!

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment macholatte
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If BofA is TBTF then once again the American taxpayer is going to get it up the ass. Didn't I read something about kleptocracy?

 It is said that the world is in a state of bankruptcy, that the world owes the world more than the world can pay.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:44 | Link to Comment cat2
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wow that's some real money

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment sasebo
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Very interesting. The panjandra fighting among themselves? 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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Bank of America vs. BlackRock, Pimco, MetLife and the Federal Reserve. It’s like Clash Of The Titans. Quick, get me my 3D glasses and some popcorn.

Actually, I feel a bit more like one of the extras in those films who you barely even notice being inadvertently squashed by a titan’s tail while they battle to the end. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 05:06 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The big guys get their checks (lifeboats) first, when the little guy comes along, the courts will just say- "sorry (systemic risk and all) none for you, now be on your way"

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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Meanwhile, in a corner office at BofA headquarters, someone is sitting alone in a quiet rage sticking pins in a voodoo doll that looks eerily like Angelo Mozilo, complete with skin made of old orange peels.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:46 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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I have an account with BAC actually, a few years ago they reversed the order of all my transactions over a weekend to generate 16 bouncy check charges which I refused to pay. At that point I began buying gold to save money, which led to investing. Ironically after I made a bit of money investing I needed a bank acct to get it. I had to go back to BAC and pay those charges... even though they are being sued for that practice. The VP who reopened my account was VERY VERY scared about her retirement, her hands were shaking.  I told her I would not be putting large sums in the bank becuase I didn't think BAC would survive the next few years. This was an interesting disussion while she worried her company would crash and leave here with nothing she unblinkingly took all of those "owed" moneys. She genuienly didn't give it a moments thought, she just worried she would lose her 401k lol.  This happened about two months ago, I was proud of keeping my poker face for that interaction.  BTW I need to sign up for that class action suit to get my fees back... and find a bank that isn't going to fail?!? lol.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Too soon, kids. (Sit down Brooksley).

You can be too far ahead of the curve.

Things aren't serious yet, the market hasn't spoken.

When it does there will be a run out of B o' A. That's what did in Wachovia.

Run to? JPM and the regionals. Time is running out for BAC, the bondholders just signed their death warrant. Better to take $8.5 b when it can be had and not take $30 billion later.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment spinone
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I guess they'll need another bailout.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Shame it wasn't Goldman Sachs.

DavdC

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Tater Salad
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Tyler, did you ever do any time for your insider trading charges?

 

Just askin...

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment michigan independant
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GSE’s and the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). GSE’s are otherwise known as ‘government sponsored enterprises’. The GSE’s involved in the recent bubble were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These two ‘enterprises’ were backed by the federal government. This began under Carter and was expanded under Clinton and Bush. The Community Reinvestment act was supposed to address lending discrimination practices " that was dispelled in the courts about discrimination practices". It was used by Clinton and Bush to artificially increase home ownership in America. The CRA simply turned into legislation mandating that banks begin lending to borrowers that did not have the ability to repay the loans. The reality is that we haven’t seen a free market economy since the creation of the Federal Reserve (1913)

 http://universityofcommonsense.org

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Very good information. I guess when the Cold War ended we needed to employ people doing something. Which I agree with. But it was probably a little to heavy handed and not really that well thought out considering that the Baby Boomers would have been, and are downsizing thier housing needs instead of expanding them.

Weren't both greenspan and bernanke economists who should have factored generational demographics into monetary and fiscal policy re: housing?

*I am not opposed to the Fed (government or reserve), nor am I against PMs. Isn't there something in the middle that has worked? Or is that the scapegoating we are doing to the Banks?

 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment goldencross10
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I love those out there who say BAC is cheap and trading below tangible book, people hate it because it has had this Countrywide overhang for 3 years, in this kind of mkt right now where we really don't know what will happen tomorrow, you want yield to secure gains; looks to me that BAC pays what 4 cent yield on a $11 stock, yep pile of crap to me, better things out there move on. 

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment agNau
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I am sorry but I must correct here. That settlement will be payed with MY money, and yours, and yours, and yours,........ "BIG BENNIE WILL CONTINUE TO LOAD THE TILLS WITH BILLS!" Kinda like that one don't you?

Wed, 06/29/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment laughing_swordfish
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They are just figuring out a way to shove the 8.5B onto the taxpayers

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