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Bank Of International Settlements Sees US Debt/GDP At Over 400% By 2040

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Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:56 | 293501 AnonymousMonetarist
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Thank God we'll all be billionaires by then!

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:30 | 293702 caconhma
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BIS is so wrong. The USA will be there well before 2015 or we might have a name change.

Take care.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 13:40 | 294697 Crab Cake
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All hail Octavia!

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 01:50 | 294292 Bear
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Damn ... I'm still holding my Money Markets waiting for the Great Deflation

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:56 | 293502 arnoldsimage
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errrr... the united states will not be around in 30 years. sorry to burst your bubble.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 16:51 | 293632 Divided States ...
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Yup, Planet Earth may become a wasteland by then

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:31 | 293704 Call_me_Al
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War. War Never Changes.
Sat, 04/10/2010 - 12:41 | 294638 Missing_Link
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WTB Pip-Boy 3000 PST

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:29 | 293698 crosey
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Arnold, who is your avatar?!

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 21:15 | 295058 Hephasteus
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It'll be a round but it'll be ripped to shreds by a massive quake through the apalachians. Everything from chicago to the gulf will be a wreck.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:57 | 293503 Mako
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It's over.

All you guys are complaining about the amount of debt taken on, well the only way the system survives is if someone takes on more and more at an exponential rate.  There is only one problem after about 60 years exponential growth is a bitch.  

It was a pyramid scheme from the beginning, I don't know why everyone is complaining now. 

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 18:36 | 293805 BS Inc.
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I complain because I can. Also, one hopes it will help build credibility post-collapse to have been a complainer rather than one of those who just went along with the idea that all was still well.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:57 | 293505 Hephasteus
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It's 2030? Because there's so much hidden crap if it's not at 190% right now I'll eat my hat.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 16:44 | 293611 JW n FL
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http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

 

Date Debt Held by the Public Intragovernmental Holdings Total Public Debt Outstanding

 

              

                                  

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

 

12/29/2006 4,901,046,516,367.78 3,779,177,863,718.40                   8,680,224,380,086.18

 

 

01/02/2008 5,130,778,241,224.70 4,079,809,202,837.77                   9,210,587,444,062.47

 

 

01/02/2009

6,320,066,198,644.34 4,307,895,097,286.33                  10,627,961,295,930.67

 

 

12/31/2009 7,811,008,785,487.30 4,500,340,892,024.73                  12,311,349,677,512.03

 

 

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 20:12 | 293956 AssFire
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Are we supposed to be impressed with the numbers?? I thought postings were to convey some meaning...wait here is a good one for you: 11/27/2006 13,827,635,252,840,3262,937,624,372,947,234,372 JW is a LOSER.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 02:19 | 294309 Bear
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It's code! Didn't you see "Knowing" ... decode the numbers and you will know when The End will come.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 04:19 | 294351 merehuman
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i would rather come at the end.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 20:43 | 295038 KevinB
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And after more than 19 seconds!

 

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 02:19 | 294307 Bear
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Malaysia - 11 Billion ... We must give Treasuries away as foreign aid

 

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:58 | 293507 carbonmutant
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Sounds like we need a "Bad Nation" that everybody can dump their bad paper on...

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:17 | 293556 hedgeless_horseman
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Lichtenstein, or however it is spelled.

Really, at some point isn't Jubilee the only answer?  However, I think it probably comes after the first three events on this list:

  1. Deflation
  2. Inflation
  3. War
  4. Jubilee
  5. Rapture
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:03 | 293658 Miles Kendig
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Then drop it like an old Vegas hotel and start over again.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:13 | 293679 Mad Max
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All signs are pointing to the US as being the selected "bad nation."

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:35 | 293709 Crab Cake
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I vote Germany.  Wait that's been done twice already.

How about China?

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 13:59 | 293512 SayTabserb
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Excessively alarmist, caused by not reading Prof. Krugman's column this morning and drinking weak coffee. Prof. Special K assures us that government "penny pinching" is the real problem, a failure to take to heart the Keynesian solution to all things cyclical. All we need to do is to reverse the arrow of time to 1945, when the U.S. knew how to take control by becoming the world's factory and shipping goods all over the world to demolished countries. The crazy BIS is assuming this is NOT 1945, and that the U.S. economy is a hollowed-out shell based on borrowing and government bailouts. No wonder they got it so far wrong!

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:38 | 293713 Call_me_Al
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Prof. K-man also kinda sidestepped the issue of what it took to take that amount of debt in 1940s. I do not quite understand if he presumes that modern investors would gobble up modern 'non-war' bonds with good enough appetite to buy that much of gov. debt, esp. while they know from the same prof's musings what should happen to the money.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 21:10 | 295055 deadparrot
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Ummm, yeah! It's easier to sell bonds to people when it is for a noble cause like fighting a just war. If some govt flunky shows up at my door to sell save the boomer bonds, I, like most people will spit in his face. Why do you think the govt is enacting all this legislation to grab offshore assets and stuff 401ks full of treasuries. Politicians may be the world's worst money managers, but they are experts when it comes to human nature.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 11:02 | 294545 Wilderman
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I love special K's tinkerbell outlook.

We'll just skip from 1930 to 1945, avoiding all the bad stuff in between, and everything will be fine!

Now, everyone clap your hands, and say with me "I believe in fairies, I believe in fairies, I believe in fairies..."

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:00 | 293513 Rogerwilco
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How can this report be construed as troubling or negative news? A 400% debt to GDP ratio means the party will continue with bailouts for all. Japan writ large. A big positive for equities and commodities if you ask me (but nobody does).

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 08:32 | 294442 cossack55
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Check graph 4 again.  According to the charts Japan wins with a high score of 600.  You guys really need to spend more time on the sports blogs.

Overandout

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 10:18 | 294503 Carl Marks
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This so called debt is a good thing because the government can take over the economy under the commerce clause and everything will be fine.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:00 | 293516 Crummy
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Let me do some calculations here.... Let's see, zero divided by zero...

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:38 | 293715 Crab Cake
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is undefined.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 21:35 | 294059 Pure Evil
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Only on a calculator, ..., as for the bung holes in D.C., well that's a rhetorical question.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 14:58 | 294779 CombustibleAssets
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NO, no, no it's not zero. It's negative and negative numbers are now a commodity... like gold.

Everybody is swapping and trading each others debt. It's the new economy. More debt means more money.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 17:13 | 294890 RockyRacoon
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Hey, not to be an alarmist, but, your bag is on fire.

Sun, 04/11/2010 - 15:09 | 295598 CombustibleAssets
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Hey, reading ZH always gets me hot under the collar.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:00 | 293517 FrankIvy
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2040?

I don't know.  Hard to believe the U.S. will exist in its current state by then.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:53 | 293733 Cognitive Dissonance
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Or as "a" state by then.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 21:47 | 294072 Pure Evil
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That's the whole point.

If you believe any of the crap printed on Alex Jones' Prison Planet, the crem de la crem of the elite world known to the pitchfork crowd as the Bilderberger group has decided that the global recession should continue for at least one more year.

And, as pointed out on ZH for the last year the whole run up in the ponzi markets is just a ruse to sucker in the, well, ahem, the suckers, before the Vampire Squid, et al, jump in and devour the victims like a school of piranhas.

With the whole end game being the development of regional governments controlled through the Master Blasters in the UN. Who control barter town?

With three regional spheres of influence including the North American Union, the European Union, and some Pan-Asian Union consisting of Japan, China and southeast asia.

Looks more like Oceana, Eurasia, and Eastasia to me.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 08:34 | 294444 cossack55
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Say PE. Would you happen to know the price of an acre of land next to the now defunct Yucca Mountain facility?

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:01 | 293520 bugs_
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Exactly no way this party goes on to 2040.

 

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 20:59 | 294019 docj
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Bingo.  We don't even make it through the decade.

Collapse/Jubilee/Default/World-War-IV comes well before 2040.

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 17:16 | 294893 RockyRacoon
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By 2012 we will have a new calendar anyhow.   Can't start a right and proper New World Order based on a stupid calendar based on whats-his-name's birth.  Gotta start all over.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:05 | 293523 akak
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When this whole false, debt-fueled and debt-filled economy AND monetary system finally collapses, somehow saying "I told you so!" to the innumerable sheep and corrupt establishment defenders will be small consolation.

I will, however, get a bit more satisfaction by then asking them:

"Got gold?"

Sat, 04/10/2010 - 11:04 | 294546 Vendetta
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ditto

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:03 | 293524 BlackBeard
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hmmm... lots of hockeysticks....

Indeed, there are many gun owners here.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 14:05 | 293527 AssFire
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If you count the 5 trillion Fanny Mae (2008 figure) and add it to the 12.7T figure...

17.7 trillion/13.8trillion= 125%...(Greece is 108%)

Just by the acknowledged debts the game is over.

Fri, 04/09/2010 - 17:04 | 293661 JW n FL
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Reagan ran up a 125% + National debt number and we made it 30 years post that event... but yes, this time its all over! this time is different!

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