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Barclays Kills Yen Trading During USDJPY Flash Crash, Pulls All Liquidity To Protect Prop Positions

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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:51 | 1067630 jus_lite_reading
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Nothing like pulling the plug on liquidity to help the situation! IDIOTS!

Which has me thinking about GE's stock price which wil collapse once the nations begin to rethink their nuclear power plans! Got gold and silver suckers?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:36 | 1068226 Whizbang
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Ain't nobody pulling any plans for power plants anytime soon, this 'taking time to review safety documentation' is simply to reassure their populations that they are looking out for them. It has already been decided that Nuclear Power is the next step in global development.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:51 | 1067631 ZeroPower
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I guess now we can finally relate this to (read: is being publicized) how trading desks can pull, at their discretion, all their MM duties with respect to equities as soon as a black swan event happens like every x years.

If not banks and IB dealers to take the other side of the trade, who the fuck else?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:09 | 1067710 taraxias
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exactly ++++

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:53 | 1067647 rubearish10
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Scary thought. I better spread out my accounts even further....Seriously, look at PM's. They've been pretty firm and fair relative to what's going on. No one could ever say they didn't have the opportunity to own it!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:55 | 1067653 equity_momo
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Next year im optimistic we shall read the headline :

"Taxpayer kills Barclays trading with middle finger"


Well one can hope.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:57 | 1067657 tmosley
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Bullshit, it was Waddle and Reed and you know it.


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:58 | 1067664 H. Perowne
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I blame the snow, personally.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:59 | 1067662 Josh Randall
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Cue the Airlift of Women and Children

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:59 | 1067666 Agent P
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In honor of St. Patrick's Day, let's have the guys from the Guinness commercials explain...

"Volker rule says we need to stop our prop trades."

"But I don't want to do that."

"I've got it!  We'll put clients on the other side of the trade."

"Genius!  Wait, isn't that bad for our clients?"

"Fuck them!"

"Oh, right.  Brilliant!"

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1068072 Abiggs
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In honor of St. Patrick's Day, have a few more drinks then come back to this forum and see if you can add something relevant to the topic...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:58 | 1067667 oddjob
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# 90 Barclays top buyer of Endeavour Silver so far today on TSX,all buys no sells.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:01 | 1067675 Buckaroo Banzai
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A profound example why QE2 MUST lead to QE3, then QE4, etc ad nauseaum, until the system collapses.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:03 | 1067683 The Axe
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second SNOW

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:04 | 1067690 nobusiness
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Are we looking at a gap open in the S&P to 1300 tomorrow in order to crush anyone who dare short this market???


Some nice coordinated intervention should do the trick.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:33 | 1068212 InconvenientCou...
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thinking we have something resembling a classical market is a mistake. Stop thinking it's a market and you will increase your odds of getting what you want.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:05 | 1067699 johnnyblade
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jpm spiking

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:10 | 1067708 nobusiness
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Someone just had to have 4 million shares of JPM in the last 10 minutes.  Can't be inside info, na.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1068267 gmrpeabody
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A lot of buying during that last hour. All the problems must be fixed now. Or someone knows silver is set to get slaughtered soon. We can only watch.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:07 | 1067704 Ari Gold
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They didn't even have the respect to take 3 minutes to come up with a semi-plausable lie "to protect themselves"...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:10 | 1067709 Cleanclog
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The day of only machines is approaching.  

Just planted my spring/summer feeding garden as my reliance on machines makes me fearful.  I don't really think those machines care about me.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:09 | 1067711 Doode
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Anyone who knows anything about market making knows that you have to carry a relatevly substantial short term position. You never have equal bid/ask size hits all the time. This is why the market moves up and down. If they had prop trading then in fact they would not shut down their trading to make the most from the move. Only if you are a market maker you would not want to participate in this carnage - as an MM they had to buy all the way down.


This is a ludicrous point about Volcker rule.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:11 | 1067717 Concentrated po...
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Tyler you said "the end of QE3".  You must have meant the end of QE143...This only ends when we can't afford the cotton to print with.  Is that why cotton keeps spiking?!?!?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:10 | 1067723 Minyan Vince
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the Volcker rule under DoddFrank doesn't kick in until July 2014...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067724 Ben Chowd
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:23 | 1067792 CIABS
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i thought these institutions could be relied upon always to perform their public service as liquidity providers.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:25 | 1067795 jkruffin
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Time to short the last 30 mins of this ponzi market. No way this fake rally holds.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1067825 plocequ1
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Its your Dollar.. I meant 76.02

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:34 | 1067845 nobusiness
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I'm Short, but I have had my head handed to me by Bernacke in the past on an options expirations day.  He know he can get the most bang for the buck on expiration days.  Be careful.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:30 | 1067797 FreakuentFlyer
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btw, if someone is performing a role of a market maker (aka "liquidity provider"), it means that they have limit orders sitting on both sides of the book (limit-buy & limit-sell/short).


when an aggressive seller sends a sell-market-order, it is crossed with that limit-buy order from the above.

then the market maker is hoping that moments later, an aggressive buyer will come long and submit a buy-market-order which will get crossed with the limt-sell/short order by the market maker. thereby completing buy-low/ sell-high round trip for the market maker.


but, if all you have is agressive sellers one after another, they will move the bid prices lower. eventually the market maker will be stuck with a long position whose "price" is higher than the current best offer (aka the price for their limit-sell/short side of the market making operation). which means that they lose money.


if they are a market maker, they should just exit the market until they see an equilibrium of aggressive sellers and buyers.


but, if you are a prop shop, then you can just go with the flow and start agressively shorting the ppl who have not yet gotten out of the way.


long story short, the fact that this bank got out when there were just aggressive sellers in the market, tells me that they were indeed just a making markets, and not the other way around. the "wide" spread is just an attempt to mitigate the recent imbalance between agressive sellers and agressive buyers, but by no means does it guarantee that agressive buyers will come to play (and help the MM close the other side of their positions, at a profit).


also, making markets is different than market making. one is the style of trading anyone can do (e.g. HFT), while the other is a role in the marketplace, performed under some specific obligations (e.g. NYSE MMS/SLP), incl. the "obligation" to risk losses when such one sided market situations arise. obviously, since FX does not have a cental exchange, no one entity making markets could be under contractual obligations to be performing market making functions at all times. i suspect.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:23 | 1068161 cahadjis
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1067980 savagegoose
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hey if jim rogers reads this place DONT DO IT.


Breakout Preview: Jim Rogers May Buy U.S. Dollar As It Nears "Tipping Point"


you will get em much cheaper in a few years  while picking thru the rubbish dump for something to eat.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:56 | 1068305 gwar5
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"Never trust a banker who wears socks." -- Groucho Marx.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:12 | 1068384 mt paul
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DXY 75.96

33 bps off 

52 wk low

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:39 | 1068472 FoieGras
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To anybody who traded in 1998 or 2008 these Yen spikes are nothign new. Happened before, will happen again. Nothing to see here.



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