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Barclays Says CFTC Should Delay Limits Decision Indefinitely

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Well, we know at least one bank has some sizable, non-grandfatherable commodity block positions. Per Reuters:


Why Barclays thinks CFTC does not have data on OTC markets is beyond us. So while we await the CFTC to issue its decision on position limits, any minute now, we wonder just how many other banks (wink wink Blythe) will follow up with comparable objections demanding an "indefinite" delay to what may soon unleash true price discovery, particularly in the PM market. And incidentally, whatever happened to the Fed's mandated disclosure of the confidential bank rescue information. At what point will Ben Bernanke be held in contempt to court for not following the decision of the Superior Court?

And just as we hit print, the following related CFTC news come out:

The U.S. futures regulator said on Monday it has canceled its latest rule-making meeting scheduled on March 30.

The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission did not give a reason for the cancellation. The agency had planned to introduce at its 13th rule-making session a measure for data recordkeeping and reporting requirements for swaps prior to implementation of the rule, as well as transition swaps.

The CFTC is writing dozens of regulations to implement the Dodd-Frank law, which was enacted last July and gives the agency oversight of the $600 trillion global swaps market.

The agency also has scheduled a meeting on April 7 to introduce another batch of proposals. Measures including capital and margin requirements for non-bank companies, and a definition for the types of swaps that will be required to clear and trade have yet to be introduced.


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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:28 | 1110255 jkruffin
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Bernanke intends to comply, but after he has doctored all the paperwork or trashed what needs to be hidden.  What do you think has been going on since the ruling?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:28 | 1110261 Careless Whisper
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why would a criminal banking cartel comply with a court order? they already didn't comply. the order said release the list with 5 days. it's been more than that.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 06:44 | 1111965 Thomas
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They may have complied. Bloomberg could have the info and is figuring out what to do with it.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 00:30 | 1111658 Manthong
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It takes time to pull the Clinton industrial shredder out of mothballs and clean the cosmoline off.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:27 | 1110259 Ancona
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These motherfuckers need to shut up and start getting rid of those outsized short positions. Silver should be at 150 and gold at 3K. Blythe Masters? Fuck that broad.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:36 | 1110278 MarketTruth
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Dream on, the CFTC is fully captured by the privately owned and controlled Federal Reserve and their members/owners. Sure it sucks, yet did you REALLY expect anything different?

Wake up folks, the CFTC is another 'limb' of the Fed. Probably more the hindquarters actually and capable of shitting all over those not connected to the Fed 'body'.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:50 | 1110354 Bay of Pigs
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+1 to regulatory capture.

Makes you wonder why Ted Butler has any faith that the CFTC and Gensler will "do the right thing" on this issue. The man is a former GS criminal with no integrity at all. The COMEX itself will have to burn to the ground before true price discovery comes for the gold/silver markets.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:05 | 1110420 Rainman
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True dat. The intensity of bankster opposition to change is fierce. Gary is a thoroughbred Squid. If he turns Mother Teresa, then I am Mary Poppins. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:59 | 1110512 The Disappointed
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P.S. The director of the bank is Dick Van Dyke. And the song truer now than ever.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 01:40 | 1110488 GoinFawr
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Heh, reminds of an old American folk rhyme,

"On mules we find two legs behind,

And two we find before;

We stand behind the two behind before we find

What the two behind be for.

When we're behind the two behind,

We find what these be for;

So stand before the two behind

 And behind the two before."

No reason.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:56 | 1110571 willien1derland
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Well said MarketTruth - +100 - SEC is probably sending the CTFC all of their 'COMPLIANCE WEB SITES' for their review - gotta have something to do while allowing Wall Street banksters to run amok -

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:39 | 1110295 Robot Traders Mom
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I would much rather keep buying silver @ $37 and gold @ 1,400...

Blythe Masters is the one that allows us to keep buying before it does hit $150. The only people getting burned by her are day traders.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:06 | 1110414 Shameful
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Thank you!  If I had her address I would have already sent her flowers.  I'm not going to bitch if I think someone is allowing me to buy at asset cheaper then it should be.  It's not like people walk into Walmart and demand to pay full price when something is on sale.  And if JPM is running this op, then they will be bailed out on the public dime anyway should it blow up.  TBTF like a mother!

Figure either I'll be right and we will have a crack up boom and the metals will rock and roll.  Or I'll be wrong and we'll have a massive economic boom.  I'm feeling pretty good about a boom and prepared as well as I can for crack up boom.  No way we have slow grinding austerity, Wisconsin showed that, no stomach for cuts in millions much less hundreds of billions.  It's boom or bust all the way, do or die.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 01:06 | 1111703 Manthong
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I can’t really see this “recovery” leading to a boom. Even if all the black swans choke on halaal sushi with radioactive carp, housing is not coming back for years, oil is going nowhere but up and just the drippings from all that Bernank liquidity will push consumer prices to the moon. I’m happy for the all the time I can get to accumulate physical at these prices.   

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:30 | 1110263 JonTurk
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what have you been expecting? really :)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:30 | 1110264 bingaling
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   I am on it . Bernanke thought the court meant business days and not "regular" days


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:38 | 1110293 JonTurk
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Ben is the grandson of Houdini.

Ben Shalom Visarinovich Houdini

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:22 | 1110462 cossack55
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The Bernank = contempt of court. Good one, Tyler.

The Bernank = contempt of humanity.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:31 | 1110267 Xibalba
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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:35 | 1110275 boricuadigm-shift
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WTF???  This shit in CNBC? 

Silver Is Way Undervalued Compared With Gold

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:35 | 1110282 tekhneek
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Brilliant analysis. Just brilliant.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 22:49 | 1111386 slewie the pi-rat
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Open interest remaining in the expiring March contract is now down to 388 contracts. Deliveries for tomorrow will be lead by Morgan for its own account. Barclays is the largest stopper once again for clients. As stated last week, Barclays has some clients who want to take delivery. Total deliveries for March thus far are 1,417.

blythe has her own silver vault, now!  faster than a speeding bullet, too...

is barclay's gonna deposit with her?

will she say:  your 5000 ounces are in our vault.  trust me.  here is you paper receipt to prove it?

last month jamie D takes gold for collateral, this month, blythe has a new, er, trading toy.


In 1913, legendary financier JP Morgan was famously quoted as saying that “Gold is money and nothing else.”

lol---he wasn't saying that in 1914!!!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:36 | 1110291 malusDiaz
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Psyops:  Just like the hit job on silver & gold by Cramer.  Its not really a 'Bullish piece on silver & gold' but rather a 'If cramer is recomending it, I should short it'.


Psyops your psyops.


It may backfire though as their retard minions jump on that side of the boat.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:41 | 1110317 sagefool
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Yeah, one of my mainstream/options buddies just sent me that. I was a bit non-plussed. It can't be long before Joe Investor starts buying Eagles.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:58 | 1110393 ch25061
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Could it be cover to allow the silver price to rise while

still keeping gold surpressed (much easier to keep

the lid on gold).  Maybe they want to stop losing money

on silver but still point to still-surpressed gold and call the adjustment

gold-silver ratio as long overdue and nothing to be concerned

about in relation to the dollar.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:35 | 1110279 tekhneek
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Oh shit! The CFTC did what the banks told them to! No fuckin' way!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:35 | 1110283 ReallySparky
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All these shenanigans make me so angry.  When will these people start following the rules and abiding by our laws?  I am kinda beginning to believe all these conspiracy theories.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:38 | 1110289 Quintus
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Only Beginning?  Oh dear, oh dear....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:01 | 1110586 jimijon
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Simple when we open the regulatory bodies to the public. Eliminate the agencies and instead publish the rules and the data and allow we the people and true savants to datamine and YELP the compliance. Then send it up to the judicial system.


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:36 | 1110287 f16hoser
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YES! I was hoping someone would say that! I need to buy more physical Silver! This will help imminsely! Keep the price manipulation going bitchez! I LUV the CFTC. Almost as much as the SEC! The SEC made me get out of the markets and into physical metals!!!!!! YIPEE!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:36 | 1110288 Dr. Porkchop
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Just keep buying and holding the physical. The banksters will keep messing around with the rules until the end, but the end will eventually come.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:36 | 1110290 Djirk
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Simple, margin requirments should be 100%, get leveraged speculators out of commodities. Nope not a communist and I believe the market should decide. But leverage has no place in commodities that are the lifeblood of economic growth.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:40 | 1110299 mynhair
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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:50 | 1110350 kaiserhoff
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Then, why not the same for housing?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:50 | 1110353 mynhair
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That is a good point.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:01 | 1110394 Djirk
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should be serious limits on housing too....but no one is using a house to ship goods, make coffee or computer chips. Not to mention the global impacts, US FED prints money, yield chaser leverage up and drive up commodities....people starve in Africa. I dont see that happening if people borrow 80% of the price of THIER OWN home.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:53 | 1110548 leathaface
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No one owns their own home.  Dont pay property taxes and see what happens

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:03 | 1110591 jimijon
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Basically a depreciating option. You have the right to a profit or loss at time of redemption.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:05 | 1110602 Larry Darrell
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Exactly.  Read the mortgages & deeds.  Somewhere it will require that "this property can not be sought for use as a homestead" or something to that effect.


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 23:52 | 1111570 Founders Keeper
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[No one owns their own home.  Dont pay property taxes and see what happens]---leathaface

Yeah. We're gonna have to change that.



Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:20 | 1110454 Flyingtrader
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Do you have something against futures markets in general?  This would pretty much kill them off.  No one would pay 100% for a commodity they don't yet have posession of.


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:07 | 1110610 Larry Darrell
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"No one would pay 100% for a commodity they don't yet have posession of."


Actually, millions of people do this every day when they order things online.

And, everyone who "owns stocks"but does not actually have physical possession of a stock certificate does this as well.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:37 | 1110297 mynhair
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Where is the COMEX collapse?  Only people that can't stand up were in?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:38 | 1110298 SilverIsKing
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What are we waiting for?  It's just more of the same. Treason used to be a crime.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:53 | 1110358 mynhair
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Treason used to be a crime; then we got Obama.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:58 | 1110578 indio007
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Foreign nationals can't be tried for treason. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:14 | 1110628 gametracker
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Treason hasn't been a crime long before Obama.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:40 | 1110302 tmosley
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Yes, and the cat wants you to leave the canary out of its cage.  Just until it can gather a bit more data on whether or not it needs to be in the cage in the first place.


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:54 | 1110367 mynhair
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This cat just wants you TOMO BONO POMO HOMOs to let AVL drop a bit.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:55 | 1110560 DeadFred
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Got any good recent AVL links?  I haven't checked them out for awhile.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:40 | 1110305 Spalding_Smailes
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Look out below bitchez .....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:44 | 1110321 Quintus
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I doubt many metals speculators have bet the farm on a Damascene conversion on the part of the CFTC.  "CFTC fails to regulate" is not a market mover.  More of a working assumption.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:45 | 1110335 Spalding_Smailes
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How many miners are eating shit over the derivative hedges they have pyramided over the years ....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:56 | 1110368 Quintus
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You know miners hedging are on the short side, right?

Those foolish enough not to have closed their hedge books long ago are, no doubt, eating shit.  That's fine by me.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:03 | 1110402 Spalding_Smailes
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Of course producers would like to reduce their hedge books in a rising gold price environment. However, when they do so by buying forwards, the question arises as to how the sellers, presumably the bullion banks, are protecting themselves, particularly with respect to being called on at some future time to deliver actual metal in a tight physical market. That question begs another: are some or all of these forwards purchased by producers written to provide for some sort of cash settlement option, thereby sheltering producers from further dollar liabilities on account of their hedge books but sparing the bullion banks from having to deliver physical? 

More generally, with gold prices flirting with backwardation as abnormally low interest rates force lease rates down to derisory levels, the economics of traditional gold lending by central banks in support of forward sales by the bullion banks are more than a little problematic. What is more, central bank attitudes toward gold are changing: more are buying; fewer selling. So it stands to reason that the pool of central bank gold actually available for lending must be shrinking, probably quite sharply

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:05 | 1110419 Quintus
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Nice cut and paste.  

And your point is?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:08 | 1110426 Spalding_Smailes
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The miners are playing the paper games in debt up to said eye balls .... In dollar denominated debt a monkey hammer for all the doom and dollar gloomers ....


( same piece )

In the absence of better data, commentaries at this site have argued that total forwards and swaps as reported by the BIS are a pretty good proxy for the total short physical gold position, which largely consists of gold loans, deposits and swaps from official reserves. As explained in Gold Derivatives: Hitting the Iceberg (12/20/2003): 

Unlike options, forwards and swaps are transactions which generally assume the sale of an equivalent amount of gold into the spot market. Bullion banks borrow gold, usually from central banks, for the purpose of acting as financial intermediaries. They sell the gold acquired by deposit, loan or swap, and then invest the proceeds in an effort to earn a positive spread while at the same time hedging themselves against any unfavorable movement in gold prices as, for example, by taking the other side of a forward sale by a gold producer or by purchasing call options. 

Gold loans used to fund forward sales by a gold producers are typically repaid out of future mine production, and thus are integrated with a hedging transaction that is independent of the gold market. In contrast, gold loans used to fund what for several years was a very profitable gold carry trade required forward sales by non-producers that could be hedged only in the options market. Ultimately, unless settled in cash, these gold loans must be repaid by metal acquired in the market.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:22 | 1110652 JonTurk
Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:40 | 1110310 Confused
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At what point will Ben Bernanke be held in contempt to court for not following the decision of the Superior Court?

Answer: Never. The questions should be, when will the Superior Court be held in contempt for crossing chairsatan?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:54 | 1110362 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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The real question is, when will the masses actually DO SOMETHING about this in-your-face corruption. People these days really must not give a damn about their children and the world they will inherit, otherwise they would be out of the streets hanging these handful of criminals in 'power' from lamp posts.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:59 | 1110390 KCMLO
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The average Joe doesn't understand, doesn't care to take the time to gain understanding, and is perfectly happy not knowing.  [sarcasm] That's why we send these guys to Washington right?  To know all this fancy stuff and take care of it for us. [/sarcasm]

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:08 | 1110422 stephysat28
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the average joe is affraid to be locked up , name ruined , job lost, home siezed, knowone will watch his back and fight for or with him. I think the average are aware just damm scared. If thats not the case than to hell with them and bravo.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 22:39 | 1111350 SilverBaron
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The average doesn't understand because it's not being explained to him on nbc,cbs,abc,or fox!

Freedom of the press is a paramount issue.  If we had free press this shit wouldn't fly. 

Shouldn't we pool our money and buy our own air time and lobbyists that will stand up for the truth?


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:08 | 1110427 kreso
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From Wikipedia:

The Court currently has six males and three females. One justice is African American, one is Latino, and two are Italian-Americans; six justices are Roman Catholics and three are Jews. The average age is 65 years, 4 months, and every current justice has an Ivy League background. Upon the retirement of Justice Stevens, the Court is without a Protestant for the first time in its history.


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:15 | 1110449 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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There's that over-representation of jews again... 33% of the court... best not mention it though, i got junked to high heaven last time i raised this obvious 'issue/agenda'.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:11 | 1110618 jimijon
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I hear Kagan help stop all the birther inquests for Brackets Obama. Tit for Tat?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:41 | 1110314 Dr. Porkchop
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It only costs $5 dollars to dig out of the ground! /sarc

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:10 | 1110555 Hearst
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$5???  CNBC claims Silver could cost $0 to dig it out of the ground!!


..."there is just no financial basis for the price of silver to be at $38 an ounce...No financial basis because the economics of mining silver put the actual cost at anywhere from $0 an ounce to $7, $8 or possibly as high as $15 an ounce."

Link is here if anyone wants to waste five minutes of their lives reading some of the greatest BS on Silver ever written.


As far as the CFTC goes.  These cocksuckers (save Chilton) have long since been bought and paid for.  Butler's public hope for Gensler is only a tactic he employs to try and steer him to do the right thing.  I sincerely hope no one is surprised by what the government finally decides to do with regards to position limits.  And since this is already long and we're on the subject of government I'll leave with this quote from Deadwood's Cy Tolliver and his reasoning for moving west away from Washington in the 19th century.

"Wasn't half our purpose coming to get shed of the cocksucker? And here it catches up to us again, to do what's in its nature - to lie to us - and confuse us and steal what we come to by toil and being lucky just once in our fucking lives.  And are we gonna be surprised by that boys, government bein' government?  Will we next be shocked by rivers runnin' or trees castin' fuckin' shade?  - Deadwood Season 2 Ep17


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 22:58 | 1111410 ZapBranigan
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Since Lori Spechler basically advises that silver is a bad investment in that article, isn't CNBC required to disclose what her financial market holdings are?  Aren't they subjecting themselves to all sorts of liability issues?


Mon, 03/28/2011 - 23:10 | 1111453 Hearst
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I would agree she ought to disclose.  Especially that she claims it can cost $0 to mine Silver!  At first I thought the article was just a joke.  Then I realized it wasn't.  But then I saw it was CNBC which is worse than joke because lots of people take their advice!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:45 | 1110326 Cinfultreat
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So the CFTC was going to enforce position limits, the info got leaked, and someone (Barclays) started throwing a temper tantrum.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:46 | 1110337 Dr. Porkchop
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Probably more like, the were going to put on a show about limits. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:52 | 1110360 velobabe
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sinful, does this make my butt look B I G ?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:52 | 1110355 zaknick
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The emperor has spoken, slaves!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:54 | 1110359 Lets_Eat_Ben
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More of the same:  8=====D  (_!_)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:04 | 1110407 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Buy more silver and return the favor:   (_!_)  O======8

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:55 | 1110366 KCMLO
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It's kind of interesting that the Dodd-Frank bill is being shelved for this issue (probably the part that REALLY needed regulation) and is rolling full-steam ahead on the mortgage regulation in spite of months of protests from small businesses saying it will kill them.  Not that it's any surprise but the mortgage regulation part of the bill seems to be almost an afterthought with legislation language geared specifically for killing competition for the top mortgage servicers.  While I understand the intent of the bill (at least as it pertains to mortgages) is supposed to be "consumer protection" the effect of the mortgage portion effectively harms consumers much more.

Brokers have to provide the lowest rate available from their approved banks, yet large banks that dictate rates don't have to as they don't have to disclose what the cost of their rates actually are.  Banks and brokers alike can't give the borrower any lender credits to help with closing costs.  Banks (moreso brokers) can't consider credit scores when pricing rates (which is fucking stupid, higher credit risk [low score] is the very basis for assigning higher rates).  Of course the servicing banks can dictate rates so they can still assign whatever they want.  It would seem the legislation wants every mortgage broker/bank to become a servicing bank, which isn't necessarily a bad idea.  You know, until you read the rest of the bill where they hammer the small banks in red tape to keep them from being able to transition.

The mortgage portion of the bill was so obviously written by BAC, Wells, Citi, etc. it's friggin ridiculous.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:55 | 1110380 mynhair
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So, no COMEX implode?

But youse guys promised!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:08 | 1110609 tmosley
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This does not have an effect on that.  This was more like trying to push the brakes on a car that has already gone off the cliff and is turning down toward the canyon floor.

But who knows, maybe this pig can FLY!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:08 | 1110430 rich_wicks
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Listen people.

For all you know the big banks are long on another exchange or even long on an exchange that isn't public.  COMEX isn't the only exchange.

For all we know, the big banks are actually very long silver, and are long in such a way we don't see it and are simply giving the appearance they are net short.  Goldman Sachs is suspected of doing this for gold.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:17 | 1110448 Lets_Eat_Ben
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That's true. Regardless, Ag is still the weapon of choice to crash the COMEX, store wealth, and counter a known, gigantic short position.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:19 | 1110461 mynhair
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Heck, I'm just amazed at the junks.  Like I pay attention to the bugs here.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:11 | 1110616 The Disappointed
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JonNadler? RoboTrader? Harry Wanger?

Get a new user id?

Changing name does no good when you spew the same disinformation.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:54 | 1110975 rich_wicks
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Like I pay attention to the bugs here.

Well, just remember, you would have done better listening to the bugs here than the average expurt on teeeveeee.

I'm just saying, we really don't know what is going on with the banks and silver.  I don't think the banks are stupid, but time will tell.  After all, these same morons lost a crapload of money in the mortgage market, and everybody saw that coming from a mile ahead, I was one of them.  I don't know why I'm expressing doubt now, maybe it's because this seems more obvious than the housing bubble?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 22:51 | 1111398 SilverBaron
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Could Tyler create a fund that we could all pitch in on to buy comex silver and stand for delivery?  Would he be forced to be quiet about the cash payoff if they were unable to deliver?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 05:06 | 1111907 collinar
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He would have to sign a non-discousure, but we would not. Yet we would know the amount of the payoff by our gains.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:24 | 1110476 silvertrain
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something will get done and heads will roll when the fuckers cant make an ipad..This is funny shit that they think industry will acually get that much silver, NEVER HAPPEN, NOT EVEN HALF OF THAT NUMBER....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:45 | 1110524 Catullus
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I know this may seem to be incredibly unpopular, but position limits are not the droids you're looking for. You're using the same thug like practices to get someone to move out of a position. It's a little gotcha game they're going to play with you going down this path. In the end, they'll push special exemptions and you're stuck with the onerous reporting. Then some leak in the CFTC gets paid to give away your positions. And so JPM may have a huge net short position (if you actually know what silver they have in international vaults (rbs sempra European desk)), who cares? They're adults and there are enough other market participants to smell blood in the water that they'll get burned doing it.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:08 | 1110607 Bay of Pigs
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Physical market will prevail (cash price). Paper (COMEX, OTC derivatives, etc..) will ultimately burn up.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:47 | 1110532 hitbox
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i am jacks complete lack of surprise

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:52 | 1110545 bankrupt JPM bu...
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CTFC cancelled the meeting on the 30th....but its the 28th!!????



Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:55 | 1110563 silvertrain
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It was that or either another fire, I guess they thought the fire thingy was a little used up for now..

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:54 | 1110553 Miss Expectations
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I got this in an email from Peter Shiff today:

From the Desk of Peter Schiff

Dear Investor,

For years, Euro Pacific Capital has offered clients the benefits of offshore purchase and storage of precious metals through the world-renowned Perth Mint Certificate Program (PMCP). The Mint's "unallocated silver account," in which purchasers buy and hold silver bullion while paying no storage fees, has been one of the most inexpensive ways to invest in physical silver.

Unfortunately, the Perth Mint has become a victim of its own success and has found itself holding too much unallocated silver. So, it has decided to discontinue the program as of May 1st of this year. Fortunately, any holdings purchased before that deadline will be "grandfathered" in - meaning free storage until you decide to sell. (This applies to unallocated silver holdings you may already own at Perth, and any you buy before May 1st.)

I'm writing this notice to alert you of the deadline to lock in free storage when purchasing unallocated silver through the Perth Mint Certificate Program.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:38 | 1110698 rich_wicks
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Unallocated means it's not there, don't kid yourself.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:58 | 1110573 apberusdisvet
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I wonder why a group of SLV holders do not file a complaint seeking a true arms-length audit of the vault holding the "supposed" physical.  I'd contribute a few bucks to that legal action as would every other PM bull in the country.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:00 | 1110579 strannick
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So a Bank tells the CFTC to delay Banking Regulation (position limits) indefinately, and the CFTC obeys the Bank?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:00 | 1110581 strannick
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So a Bank tells the CFTC to delay Banking Regulation (position limits) indefinately, and the CFTC obeys the Bank?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:01 | 1110593 strannick
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Chairman Gensler

CFTC Commisioner Jill Sommers

CFTC Commisioner Scott Omalia

CFTC Commisioner Michael Dunn

Betrayers of their nation to financial elites.

Are you proud of yourselves???????

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:01 | 1110584 Argentum
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I don't post much, but this is crap.   Tired of all the BS from the bankers, guberments, etc.... Going to buy more hard silver this shit is getting personal now. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:27 | 1110642 in-Credible Banker
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I am sick of waiting for these "EPIC" events that are discussed, that never happen.  Harvey says the Comex is going to default.  Never happens.  On Turds blog we have this dude SGS saying today will be "epic", Gensler is leaving the country, Obama is being briefed about the default.  Nothing happens.  We have the Wynter Benton crap, nothing happens.  We have Stand for Delivery, nothing happens.   Everyone here says ill the bankers, nothing happens.

As of today I'm going back to living my life.  Buying a car when I want to.  Going to Disney with the kids.  Then on a Disney cruise.  Joining a Country Club.  Reading USA Today.  Life is too short to spend being depressed and worrying about water filtration. 







Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:36 | 1110692 gametracker
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It's BEEN happening for 10 years now. Silver has gone from $4 to $37.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:38 | 1110695 strannick
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Thats what they said in Ireland, when the Economists from the 'Celtic Tiger' were giving seminars to developing economies on how to manage their finances. Then the bogus bubble popped, and the Irish emperors were standing there knocking their skinny little knees and baring their wattled pasty freckly irish arses.

Our mercenary, silver-accumulating side should be sending the banker's lackeys Blythe Masters and Jill Sommers boquets.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:44 | 1110726 Catullus
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I know this may seem to be incredibly unpopular, but position limits are not the droids you're looking for. You're using the same thug like practices to get someone to move out of a position. It's a little gotcha game they're going to play with you going down this path. In the end, they'll push special exemptions and you're stuck with the onerous reporting. Then some leak in the CFTC gets paid to give away your positions. And so JPM may have a huge net short position (if you actually know what silver they have in international vaults (rbs sempra European desk)), who cares? They're adults and there are enough other market participants to smell blood in the water that they'll get burned doing it.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:52 | 1110970 KickIce
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Agreed, it will take food, fuel or a big ass natural disaster to bring this monster down.

WW3 might to the trick as well.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 19:59 | 1110761 f16hoser
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Gensler = PUSSY!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 21:33 | 1111123 Fiat Money
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Gensler ain't a "*****" - he's a fox IN the hen house, 


 he's a CRIMINAL on the lookout for his pals raiding the bank vault! 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:15 | 1110795 John McCloy
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Ben trying to deny the Supreme court. Should be more than enough to removethe veil of liberty from this current crony capitalistic society reliant on the greater fool and GE/MSNBC/NBC/CNBC captured tax free propaganda. I always said Ben was more powerful than the Pres. So what happens now that Pres.Obama requires the GE arm, Wall street donors & centrally planned stock market to have a whimper at reelection. Anyway i found a reality show for the first time in history this week that actually is beneficial to the zombies... "America next great restaurant" which actually fosters and promotes the idea of entrepreneurial spirit and small business backed by gasp..personal capital of investors. Sure it's no teen mom but it is a start.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 00:08 | 1111609 Forgiven
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I think Barclays would be bust with position limits.

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