Berkshire May Be Required To Post Up To $8 Billion In Collateral

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Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:00 | 444672 The Rogue Trader
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I thought Warren said they were "Instruments of Mass Financial Destruction"? I don't understand....

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:06 | 444687 knukles
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Yes he did.  Which reminds me of one of his buddies who famously said "Yes, we can."

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:09 | 444695 Slash
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wait did gold/silver stop trading for a bit earlier?I know it's not related to this fread, but what's with the perfect horizontal line on the chart?



Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:13 | 444703 knukles
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Late in the day, there is a period where none of the exchanges upon which Kitco reports are open.  And during that period, they fill in the chart with a.....line.  Between the Globex close and silly as that sounds.  But true.  Deep breaths...

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:16 | 444712 Slash
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oh phew!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:23 | 444727 knukles
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Something to do...

Tell your buddy who's long of gold that you've got a new financial advisor whose demented.  And tell your other buddy who is really not a financial advisor that your other buddy is short of gold and that he's hard of hearing so he should speak really slow and loud to him. 
And have the supposed broker tell the supposed short that Obama just expropriated all the gold like FDR in the '30's. 

Great fucking fun on a slow day. 

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:27 | 444739 tmosley
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Post a youtube of the results for maximum viewing pleasure.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:32 | 444761 Slash
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save us PPT!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:20 | 444719 economicmorphine
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Kitco uses Dell computers and they couldn't handle the calculations, so they just flatlined for awhile.  Seriously, good question.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:21 | 444722 Slash
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oh it changed,

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:08 | 444692 Gordon_Gekko
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One word: Hypocrite.

That said, today's fraudulent paper money based financial system makes it almost impossible for large businesses to not get entangled with derivatives. The very system that Uncle Warren supports and is so fond of - the one that got him all his ill-gotten paper wealth - will be his undoing.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:24 | 444728 arnoldsimage
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Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:26 | 444730 Turd Ferguson
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Warren: (on phone) "8 billion dollars!!!"

Voice: (on other end of call) "Yes, sir, that's what they're saying".

Becky: slobber, slobber

Warren: "But Moody's is a fine company with a clean balance sheet".

Voice: "Yes, sir, it is".

Becky: slobber, slobber, gulp, gulp

Warren: "Hold on a minute".

             To Becky: "That's not how I like it. Fondle my nuts, too! Don't forget about them!

                            And shove your thumb up my ass when I give you the signal."

Warren: (back on phone) "Get Barry and Ben on the phone. Let em know I'm pissed!"

Becky: slobber, slobber, fondle, fondle

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:43 | 444799 AccreditedEYE
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The very system that Uncle Warren supports and is so fond of - the one that got him all his ill-gotten paper wealth - will be his undoing.

Seriously. He is on the wrong side of several trades with this exposure. I'm interested to see how he dodges this... If BRKA takes a massive beating, it's proof positive that at least he believed his own BS about buying America. If, however, they come out smelling like roses....

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 17:09 | 445110 Arius
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it could not happen to a better guy...

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:17 | 444715 traderjoe
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The laws of physics don't apply to Warren. I've heard him reference essentially that he believes there is no chance that the puts will expire in the money. But essentially he has a Texas hedge on - used put premium to buy stocks. It could work out ... or not. 

He's become part of the machine - not the folksy-contrarian he wants everyone to think he is. On the one hand, he's bullish on the long-term track record of Amerika, and on the other he thinks there will be a dollar and/or muni train wreck. And don't forget about the succession issue.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:26 | 444737 morph
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Yes, however look at the derivatives he holds. They are the least risk you can get. S&P500 Options. Hardly complex CDO's rated AAA but full of sub prime mortgages is it? Nor is it a bundle of naked CDS on TBTF's like BP.

What he said is taken slightly out of context. Derivatives are fine on easy to value liquid assets, but most derivatives are based on guesswork from places like Moodys!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 17:24 | 445140 mephisto
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BRKa doesnt have to post collateral. When they did these OTC trades, they made it explicit. The counterparties all have BRKa CDS positions to hedge.  

Now maybe thats called cheating, hypocrisy, etc. It's definitely using your reputation to get the banks to do what you want.

Unless the Finreg act can unwrite written contracts, the Barlays article is nonsense. AFAIK, Barclays were not an original counterparty for BRKA, so maybe they don't know the structure.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:03 | 444677 You Cant Handle...
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You obviously didn't read FinReg subsection 12, paragraph 6, item e:

"(e) Just kidding folks."

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:04 | 444682 knukles
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There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”         
                              -Warren Buffet



Wed, 06/30/2010 - 16:33 | 445001 divide_by_zero
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Had to laugh when the dbag's name came up the other day at Blago's trial with 2 other well known dbags.


But Blagojevich held out hope Obama could convince “Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros and other big money Democratic donors” to endow the organization with up to $20 million.

“I want that organization up and running now,” he said. “I’d stay as governor…it’d be waiting for me (after I left office)–it’d be my little platform

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:04 | 444683 Ripped Chunk
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Warren can pound sand

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:09 | 444694 quintago
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his whole model is premised upon the notion that nobody should be able to hold a gun to his head.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:10 | 444698 unwashedmass
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oh please. let's all grow up. as the ramifications of the bill are sorted out over the next ten days, i'm sure -- absolutely 100% positive -- that certain "adaptations" in wording will be made to exempt any major player from anything that might constrict its current strategies to strip the middle class of everything down to its underwear.

please, grow up.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:13 | 444704 Cleanclog
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Exactamundo!  Just as mark-to-market became mark-to-model to enable bank profits and fewer set asides, the collateral required for derivatives may well be just a parking of a percent of the derivatives themselves.  Not much of a "secure" piece of collateral, but just you watch.  Can't really be hurting the profiteers now can they?

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:16 | 444710 knukles
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Oh well shit, I feel better already.  No ONE player alone can strip me down to my underwear..... 
Gonna have to be more like Gangrape. 
(Huge Sigh of Relief)

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:13 | 444700 Cheeky Bastard
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If they intend to use ANY equity as collateral we can be almost sure BRK will need to overcollateralize just to discount the volatility in the securities it would post. Even if it intends to post a cash-equity hybrid; it would still need to overcollateralize. Who the hell would agree to settle for equity/hybrid collateral with 0 allowable margin of error in the pricing. Thats right; only morons. I think you can safely add another 1B to that 8B; if not more.

FYI; FLA yesterday defaulted on 3B of "dirts"; the biggest muni default in the past 30 years; and today AZ was denied access to BAC short term funding at the same time it needs to roll over 700M in obligations. Yeah; he should really be "comfortable" holding any muni related product.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:19 | 444717 Cleanclog
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Cheeky, your FYI info is fascinating.  I just tried to quickly find via a few googles but failed. Will you help?  Would love more details.  Thanks!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:28 | 444738 Cheeky Bastard
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The above link is for FL "dirts" default.

This is for AZ.

I will need to post this article; since you dont hold the subscription to the site that wrote it:



DALLAS — After weathering one of the worst fiscal years in its history, Arizona starts the next one tomorrow without a short-term borrowing agreement.

In what has evolved into a political showdown, Treasurer Dean Martin is blaming Gov. Jan Brewer for allowing a $700 million line of credit agreement with Bank of America to lapse effective today. Also gone is the state’s ability to issue IOUs for state services, a form of internal borrowing.

“At this point right now, the state cannot borrow funds to meet cash flow needs,” Martin said. “There’s only sufficient cash for two months spending. Starting in September, the state is going to have serious cash-flow problems.”

Brewer, who faces Martin in the August Republican primary for governor, yesterday announced a new economic development strategy. No one from the governor’s office was available by press time to comment on the short-term borrowing issue.

The Republican governor failed to attend a meeting of the State Loan Commission earlier this month that was to have extended the lending agreement.

Brewer said she did not attend because she was in another meeting on SB 1070, a controversial new statute that requires local police and sheriff’s deputies to enforce immigration law.

The three-member Loan Commission includes Martin, Brewer and David Raber, director of the Department of Administration. Without Brewer, the commission could not vote on extending the agreement.

Martin wanted to end the lending agreement to force Brewer to cut spending rather than borrowing for operations.

“As a result of this meeting, I have essentially cut up the state’s credit cards,” Martin said. “The state will no longer be able to cover the checks the governor writes unless it has money in the bank. If she does, those checks will likely bounce.”

In the 2010 fiscal year ending today, the state has issued $86.5 million of Treasurer warrant notes to cover spending at an average interest rate of 0.93% and a total interest cost of $3.5 million, Martin said. The line of credit from Bank of America provided liquidity for the warrants, he said.

To cover a $1.5 billion deficit, Arizona mortgaged state buildings for $750 million through the issuance of certificates of participation in January and issued $490 million of revenue bonds backed by state lottery revenues last month.

But Martin said the proceeds of those deals will be gone when the state provides five months of payments to the public schools in a period of 60 days.

“That blows through all the cash the state raised through selling state buildings and issuing the lottery bonds,” he said.

This fiscal year was the first in Arizona’s history in which the state used outside lending to cover operating costs, Martin said.

It was also the first time since the Great Depression that the state has issued warrants.

Martin said that there is now no chance that the agreement with Bank of America or internal borrowing will be renewed.


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Wed, 06/30/2010 - 17:36 | 445161 Cleanclog
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Cheeky, thank you very much!  I really appreciate the information and you taking the time to post it.  Sorry I was called to a conference call and am just now getting back to you.

Thanks again!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:15 | 444707 Steve Garrison
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Tyler, donno if you read these comments directly, but don't know how else

to get to you. Please ask someone smarter than me to answer in a

blog how mechanically, the HVTs at GS can hold a market within .05%

for an entire day?


Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:21 | 444720 unionbroker
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They can do it because the market is just your imagination, take the red pill

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:21 | 444721 unionbroker
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They can do it because the market is just your imagination, take the red pill

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:31 | 444758 tmosley
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Deja vu.


Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:44 | 444802 Calculated_Risk
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a glitch in the matrix! oh nooooooo!

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:32 | 444753 Young
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Moodys, Goldman, Railways, ReInsurers... It won't be so easy now that the interest rates can't be cut any lower... Shit hold on, my "stock goes up in the long term no matter what" father just saw me write that! "Noooo dad, don't hit me with the belt with the broken buckle again!!!! Aaarghg"... Shit, now I'm bleeding all over the keyboard here. Maybe the old man was just really smart, he knew how the politicans were gonna adopt Keynes and blow the bubble SKY-HIGH! Cudos.

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:34 | 444767 Phil
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 Ben Nelson will clean this up for Warren or else he'll withhold his vote

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 15:54 | 444850 KOZ
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The weighted average duration of his equity derivatives exposure is 11.25 years, and the new legislation offers a moratorium of 12 years.  I do not see this as a coincidence. 

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 16:24 | 444975 trav7777
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I guess he better get busy scheduling more eBay auctions for lunch with him

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 16:57 | 445073 Gimp
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Warren the "Ponzi master extraordinaire". Buy and hold, buy and hold, buy and hold.

He has had a hell of a run. 

"Becky get busy my knob needs polishing".

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 18:15 | 445256 J.Caesar
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lil fat man, wid a note book in his hand (Randy Newman)

Wed, 06/30/2010 - 19:08 | 445369 Dismal Scientist
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The fun part will be when Obama comes for him by taxing his main holdings. All those lovely branded franchises that just chuck off cash. Can't wait...

Thu, 07/01/2010 - 00:30 | 445818 Grand Supercycle
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On May 4th I called the end of the March 2009 bear market rally.

The proprietary indicators I use in my technical analysis can identify trend changes before they occur.

Thu, 07/01/2010 - 07:23 | 445989 csmith
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This is a positive for the derivatives dealers (JPM, GS, etc.) because once their customers are required to post collateral, the dealers can forego buying offsetting contracts to hedge. Also drives overall derivative volumes lower and might be profoundly deflationary. Judd Gregg may be onto something.

Sat, 08/21/2010 - 11:15 | 534727 herry
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