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Black Gold From The Heavens: Oil Rain In Louisiana?

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"It is literally raining oil" proclaims the narrator in this RT video, who observes what appear to be puddle of oil following a heavy rainfall in the Louisiana area. We have not received independent confirmation of this phenomenon elsewhere but this is very troubling, and certainly possible considering the amount of oil burned and washed ashore as part of the spill recovery effort.


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Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:50 | 430055 homersimpson
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"Barack Obama doesn't care about white people."  - future comment from Kanye West

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:26 | 430099 WaterWings
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Angered wife of LA fisherman given top clearance by BP to see operations behind close doors:

More than a few surprising moments. Saw her interviewed by CNN; indignant over the health of husband and BP's cover-up at that time. Then BP shoots itself in the foot by letting her in the front door. What a brave woman.

Fish gasping for oxygen on surface @ 1:30:

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:09 | 430819 Big Red
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WOW! I have not heard of Kindra Arnesen. Her presentation is overwhelming. All ZeroHedge readers must go to that first link and send that viral. Thanks for the link WW.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 03:04 | 430999 dlmaniac
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My BP puts are almost as good as my gold investment.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:25 | 430172 Mad Max
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"Obama I'm a gonna let you finish but first I just want to say that Carter was the ultimate ineffective wimpy president in my lifetime."

Or something like that. I probably got the inflection wrong.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:05 | 430369 A tumor named Marla
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Barack Obama doesn't care about brown water.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 20:09 | 430453 Careless Whisper
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he cares about cap and trade. he keeps making sppeches every day now about how this spill is an opportunity to pass cap and trade.

where is al gore these days. wery wery quiet. wonder why. maybe "i did not force sexual relations with that massage therapist"


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:20 | 430586 Broken_Trades
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Barack Obama doesn't care about brown water.

Have you ever seen a Code Brown in a public swimming pool?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:05 | 430659 Transor Z
Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:45 | 430710 Augustus
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Kenyans regularly drink brown water.  It protects them from the spirits that would cause their dicks to fall off.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 03:58 | 431026 AnAnonymous
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The oil rain is real? I would have thought that your tough as nail will to defend the industry would have led you to reject it.

But I see that you are likely to be driven by an even superior force.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 01:27 | 430902 barkingbill
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get over it. 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:51 | 430056 jkruffin
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T. Boone Pickens on Larry King Live just last week said raining oil was absolutely not possible.  He said no way, it cannot happen!  LOL    He really did say that though.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:00 | 430085 bob_dabolina
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Look at the sand around these fires from the first Gulf War.

Of course when you burn oil it rains oil.

Being a big oil man I thought he would know that.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:04 | 430096 Kalki
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Can someone explain the physics behind the theory that oil-rain is possible? There's water, there's oil and there's the sun. Sun evaporates the water. It evaporates very small quantities of crude oil - probably 1/1000ths of the amount of water. Could this result in oil-rain?

I doubt it.


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:10 | 430119 Trundle
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Water and the volatile organics in the oil (including the various hydrocarbons which form part of the oil mixture) may form complexes known as azeotropes.  These complexes are very common in synthetic organic chemical reactions when distilling solvents from those reactions, including when water is used during the synthetic procedure.  The azeotropic mixtures actually evaporate at a temperature lower than water so such complexes can selectively evaporate.  Water has a high vapor pressure and will tend to accentuate the evaporation of the azeotrope which tends (but doesn't always) have a lower vapor pressure than water.


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 23:53 | 430798 Rusty Shorts
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 - raindrops begin forming when water vapor condenses on micrometer-sized particles,...such as, oily soot, look into it.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:11 | 430127 x-quant
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Considering it has rained fish and frogs I don't doubt it:


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:24 | 430165 Canoe Driver
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  Fire also vaporizes oil, and at much higher levels.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:32 | 430190 WaterWings
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I hate permanent skeptics. "For the sake of" assholes.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:04 | 430367 papaswamp
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When an Oil Spill Occurs


Light crude contains volatile organic compounds which evaporate. Thus, light crude oil will lose up to 10 to 15% of its volume immediately, and up to 25% of its volume within 24 hours. How much of its volume is lost depends on the surface-to-volume ratio of the bulk oil. Events that disperse the oil, such as a well blowout, can affect this. Thus, crude oil in a pool or tank will retain more of its volatile components than crude in an oil slick.[2]

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 23:26 | 430755 Willzyx
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This could be one of the yet unstudied effects of dispersants

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:08 | 430111 I need more asshats
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He is right. It's too heavy. I call bullshit on the youtuber(entertainer).

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:03 | 430283 Hephasteus
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Anything that can evaporate can condense. That includes oil, water, nitrogen, metal, rock. silicate. Basially the entire periodic table of elements.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:59 | 430321 Anarchist
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Lots of things will form a vapor under a few conditions. Heat and ambient pressure can be varied to the proper mix and a vapor will form.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 20:39 | 430499 I need more asshats
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The oily rain is more likely the byproducts from the pollution produced by burning the surface oil in the burnbox.

I doubt that the crude oil is vaporizing and creating rain clouds. Just like I doubt that rocks can vaporize, create rain clouds, and then rain down on the earth.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:11 | 430569 Hephasteus
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Well good. Then go live under an active volcano.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:23 | 430679 Sqworl
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Wed, 06/23/2010 - 23:55 | 430793 Rusty Shorts
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 - raindrops begin forming when water vapor condenses on micrometer-sized particles,...such as, oily soot, look into it...jeeesh.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:06 | 430371 papaswamp
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Need to know the difference between light crude and heavy crude...light crude has a very high evap rate.....guess what kind of oil is coming up...

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:48 | 430715 Augustus
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Finally.  A bit of sanity.


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:37 | 430211 Cursive
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A local blogger where I live posted comments from an interview with the UCLA professor who appeared on CBS with Katie.

For oil to become part of the Earth's water cycle (evaporation from the oceans, condensation to form clouds and then precipitation) it would have to evaporate and condense at close to the same temperatures as water does. Oil does not do this; only water. Thus, water may leave the surface of the gulf, but not the oil; it will remain behind.

Thank you for your question.

Kristen L. Corbosiero, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
University of California, Los Angeles
Dept. of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:46 | 430246 Canucklehead
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Ask him about acid rain.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:09 | 430298 Cursive
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Just checked with an engineer that I work with.  He lives in Lafayette, LA. so he and I will be affected by any fallout.  He says, "Oil rain?  No.  Condensate rain?  Yes. And theoretically, we could have rain fire if enough condensate is present near a lighting strike."  I don't suppose my homeowner's policy will cover this.  BTW, for those unfamiliar with oil field condensate, it's highly volatile.



Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:56 | 430348 King_of_simpletons
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They are using some sort of dispersant that will make oil evaporate faster than it usually does and that substance is supposed to be highly toxic etc...May be that's got something to do with the oil rain.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:53 | 430719 Augustus
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 BTW, for those unfamiliar with oil field condensate, it's highly volatile.

Yes, it is volatile.

What concentration in air is necessary for a burn? 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 04:02 | 431028 AnAnonymous
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The flush with your homeowner's policy.

You might be about to witness a very rare event: the sky raining fire.

Is it not worth the price?

You will tell your grand-children "I saw the sky raining fire on us"

Thu, 07/01/2010 - 04:39 | 445928 hardmedicine
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is it an either or question? if it rains fire I guess those watching by remote tv monitors will be the ones to tell the grandchildren

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:18 | 430382 Mesquite
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And hurricanes...

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:55 | 430267 bob_dabolina
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I'd like for that professor to burn a barrel of oil in her kitchen.

I'd love to discover what her ceiling looks like afterwords.

No balls Kristen L. Corbosiero, Ph.D.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:08 | 432499 lucasjackson
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Mr. Dabolina, Mr. Bob Dabolina:  Please stop this foolish charade of environmental concern. You overcompensate for your pygmy-esque stature by driving giant monstertrucks while injecting illegal immigrants with Black Tar Heroin.  You give Xanax to semi domesticated chimpanzees who then rip body parts off people.  Your feet stink, your head hurts and you dont love jesus!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:01 | 430278 Trundle
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Nonsense. Talk to any chemical engineer or chemist in the oil industry- one that's not paid to promote a particular result.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:20 | 430329 nmewn
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I was trying to figure out what form of Cajun dialect I was hearing in the video.

Sounds like "north" Louisiana ;-)

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:50 | 430716 Augustus
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Sanity ZH.

Geo Wash will be gob smacked.

WMR will have something to report soon on "Before it is Factual".

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:23 | 430332 Treeplanter
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I saw it rain frogs on the high plains of Texas when I was a kid.  Why not oil?  There's more oil getting sucked into the sky than frogs, I'm sure.  Pickens should know better.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:52 | 430061 Übermensch
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I think I saw Cheney in the video rolling around naked in the oil rain.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:52 | 430062 economessed
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Oil rain makes for a slippery slope.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:53 | 430065 ReallySparky
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And soon it will be raining men...

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:07 | 430296 Citizen of an I...
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Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:54 | 430067 Apostate
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Ain't nothin' wrong with a few tumors. Be grateful, you wretched little people! 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:56 | 430071 No One
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Can we not put wells in the clouds?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:57 | 430076 sheeple
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wholly shit ... any updates on the hydrogen sulfide and benzene concentrations in louisiana, new orleans and florida air?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:05 | 430095 Cognitive Dissonance
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The EPA and many private environmental group or organization have been strangely low key. Except of course to drum up donations. Where is the outrage by all those private citizens and organizations who would drive a thousand miles to save a redwood? I'm not being disrespectful here but I am asking tough questions.

60 plus days into this mess and where are the environmental people demanding heads on pikes? I'm sorry if I'm using broad strokes with my questions but I would like some answers? My calls to a few organizations are kicked to voicemail. I won't name names because it has been less than a day waiting for the return calls and I will be fair in that respect.

Anyone know what's going on?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:18 | 430140 Shameful
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It's simple, they can't speak up because a boy in blue is the current frontman.  We have no doubt what would be happening if that devil of a man McCain was in office (different puppet same greasy hand up the ass).  People emotionally label themselves with their party of choice and cannot rise against them.  The power of "crime stop" is quite spectacular.  In this case the environmentalists have self identified with the blues and the current man in power.  It is a painful process for them to see the light, so they will resit it.

We see this historically referenced almost comically.  Take Nixon and his meetings with Mao.  "Only Nixon could have went to China".  After all how could the reds of the day criticize their man in office for talking to the commies?

If the world does not fit into the world narrative they have been fed and internalize then they will suppress it rather then deal with the the pain of reconciling the conflicting beliefs.  We act in the manner of a trained dog.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:26 | 430178 SMG
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I hope this changes one day.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:12 | 430571 Fazzie
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 Are you explaining the psychology of cognitive dissonance to a guy who chose "cognitive dissonance" as his user name? Talk about preaching to the choir.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:33 | 430198 Cammy Le Flage
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There is no outrage because:  The people outraged are exhausted and don't trust any organization anymore so who to yell at.    At this point most people in these areas are just plain sad and waiting for it all to die.  Not much else one can do.  Where would you suggest people show their outrage.  All govts. corrupt.  Almost all corps. corrupt.  Military machines - corrupt.  Educational systems - corrupt.  So what does one do?  Don't know.  Outrage is not going to fix this.  Money absolutely is not going to fix this.  Frankly, I would rather have a decent ocean than money but it appears that most of humanity disagrees with me.  When most of humanity dies, things might change.  Anderson Cooper is outraged.   But after Tony's little unemotional showing to everyone (which made him look like a Stepford Husband of some sort) it appears there are quite a bit of sociopaths in charge which means we are definitely on a road to nowhere.   What would you suggest people do?  I live in an area that is getting ready to get its fanny handed to it and ruined by oil, oil-dispersant, etc.  I am probably just going to have to leave.   Is yelling going to make a difference?  Nope.  Not when you are yelling at the "machine" that created the problem in the first place.  Same people are saying we cannot let BP go bankrupt.  Oh, yes WE can.  WE can do a whole lot but WE aren't ready to be a "WE" so what would "you" suggest?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:19 | 430324 MaximumPig
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sad but true


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:48 | 430422 Cathartes Aura
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+ another 1000.

I also hear of the resigned fatigue, and I understand it. . . compromised environs lead to compromised health, and unhealthy, tired, resigned peoples are an end result that I can't help but believe is part of the plan. . .

it's hard to take on a task that you have zero power to change.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 09:12 | 431223 aerojet
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Complaining is a sign of acceptance.


Wed, 06/30/2010 - 20:46 | 445534 Cathartes Aura
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since you attached your post as a "reply" to mine, I'm assuming you've decided I was "complaining". . .

not sure where you'd draw the line between my sharing what I see and hear in the  diverse people's I come in contact with weekly, and my own opinion on things - but yes, I'm less than happy with the way things are, and I empathise with others who are stressed. . .

I also work within a community of like-minded folk towards becoming as self-sufficient / independent of the system most rely on as we can - that may be a form of "acceptance" of the way things are, but, in my opinion, it is worth putting more effort into local people you trust, than spinning wheels trying to find a way to change what has become entrenched, like a cancer, in this nationstate.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 20:48 | 430508 Dburn
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It's  symptomatic of a change in Society that intensified by an order of magnitude since the depression started. People who aren't directly affected just don't give a shit enough to act on it. People in govt are not known for showing initiative or speaking out if they have been told to be quiet. "I'm thinking of my family" will be the primary excuse for silence. If your family is dying from air quality, are you still  thinking of your family? Maybe when people start dropping and dying we might see some reaction but it will be localized. A demonstration in Washington then a quick flight home for the Limousine liberals to watch soccer practice. No one will go down there unless they live there or they are getting paid a shit load of money with the right equipment.

All we really have to do is look at Katrina and 911. 3000 and 2000 People died respectively and both were considered money making opportunities. We still haven't come close to fixing all of permanently. When 911 occurred the only reason the families got such a fast response was because of fear of lawsuits because the families were all in the upper crust for the most part and could afford the best legal talent. Hell the best law firms are in NYC and witnessed the damn thing themselves. Talk about fear!.

The airlines were fearful of being put under so they lobbied for a govt bail out. The guy who told the families the facts of life is the same guy in charge of the money now. STFU and collect 1.5-3.0 million. Sue the airlines and you may as well be suing the govt. Same fucking guy.

They aren't scared of poor people. There is a lot of poor people down there. Now the guy will be talking in the tens of thousands with many volunteers, probably chosen from the ranks of people down there and paid a high salary because people will trust them.

If Govt is in collusion with the perps then lawyers aren't going to do much good either. STFU and you get a piece of the 20 Billion to be shared with millions up and down the coast. Speak up and you get nothing and it might be years before you see anything. That's why people are scared to speak up. They were already in bad shape. Now they have no income except what BP hands them.

There are also businesses "cleaning up" all over the country that will have a strong voice in Washington. One guy who made booms was hanging on for dear life with only 6 employees when the spew occurred. Now he has 4000 employees and money is pouring in. Who got him this gig? His friend at BP. Now what do you think he is going to be saying to the people who work for him and their families? "Speak out, this is America"? HHAHAHA.

This scene will be repeated up and down the coast and all over the country as more and more Americans figure out a way to make money off the spew. The one lone woman in the YouTube video linked here is brave. She will also be one lone woman too.

The only time we will see serious people action is when large scale deaths occur and they occur inland to white people with money. Then fear of death and real legal talent overrides everything else.

It doesn't matter who is President or who is congress. The govt is a living organism with a mind of it's own.They are permanent employees. The rest are temps. They may hear orders but they already have been well trained on how to ignore them. So, they will do what the House and Senate did during health and financial reform. They will hang with the people they know and like. That's each other and the people in the oil industry because that's where their big retirement plans lie. If they are in for 20 or in for 30 , the mid 6 and 7 figures start after they leave. Many of the bosses have worked long and hard to generate the right contacts and network within the private sector by doing favors for them. They will transfer troublemakers in a heartbeat. Everyone knows how we treat whistle blowers now. They go to jail.

If people are looking for environmental groups and others to start some serious action, look at the depression and their funding. They are useless. They'll complain and sit in front of their computers and write letters which is the new way of protesting. Or live blog it when a few hundred manage to get dressed and show up in Washington. But they know damn well how to get rid of them and what the drill is. Protesters know that too. So they don't show up by the millions unless it's a private industry sponsored protest like the teabaggers had. Then it was just a few hundred thousand. Barely enough for a hour or two of coverage especially since half of the people or more interviewed had no idea how to say what they were against other then having a black guy in the white house by saying "we want our country back". How many people protest deficits? Really.

It would be the same with McCain only there is the possibility they somehow the GOP could figure out how to make it worse. They would be more blatant about handing out huge contracts to people who had never owned or ran a company before. That's what happened after Katrina and throughout Iraq. They had sole source suppliers on commodity goods with no bid contracts based on political connections and ideology not based on experience or competence.

That just doesn't go away in four years. Hell the Dems are more corrupt than they were in 94 when they first got thrown out. Then it was simple check kiting and a few payoffs here and there. .  Then the GOP, especially under Bush, showed them how to make some serious money. The result is in the annual profitability of the lobbying firms on K street have never been better. 

No one here will do anything including me. I have a business that's just hanging on. What am I going to do as one person? Go down and pick up dead fish? How about anyone here?

Contaminated rain that kills people by the scores or starts huge fires might gets some people off their ass as long as the people affected are white and with money. The whole country is slowly having a large group sociopathic conversion commonly referred to as "fuck em, I got mine" or "fuck em, I'm getting mine" or "fuck em, I can't afford to lose mine" or "fuck em just because it's fun".

We will help people in other countries because it 's a vanity thing before we will help people here. The greatest generation we aren't. We won't suddenly snap out of it either unless something of biblical proportions happens that affect everyone. The ultimate Black Swan. By then it will be way past time do do the right thing.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:30 | 430596 CD
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A very astute, if profoundly depressing, analysis. This is and has been happening around the world for some time (eons, really) -- see Shameful's response to Cognitive Dissonance's latest essay segment for further thoughts along these lines. I can not claim to have a convincing counterpoint, only anecdotes from history of times when people DID stand up and do/demand the right things -- even before the abject, existentially threatening conditions of society-wide starvation, mass extinction, etc. set in. Think Tiananmen square, Prague 1968, Tehran last summer, Hungary 1956... Oh wait. All of those failed (some quite spectacularly badly for those involved), didn't they...

Nevertheless, they did NOT fail in that they managed to fundamentally alter societies, and the perceptions of the people within those societies. They were the ripples of butterfly wings, without which event may have turned out quite differently -- for much worse than they eventually did. There may be a different path that does not involve lunging headfirst into the meat grinder nor saying "fuck'em all".

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:18 | 430836 Mentalic
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"as long as the people affected are white and with money" ...I completely agree with you on this statement. I am from Mumbai, India, and you might remember the terrorist incident that happened on 26/11 of 2008. There was such a huge reaction from the Indian government and the media. But, here is the kicker. One of the primary reasons there was such a big hue and cry was because the terrorists attacked a place where the rich and famous eat, hang out and meet other socialites.

There were bombings that happened a few months before this incident, and had been happening regularaly before that too. But, that never attracted any attention. Why? Because those bombings took place in local trains, crowded markets. Places where the rich and famous don't go.

When I read about all this, I get so angry and frustrated. Though it's sad that even here, when the rich get caught commiting fraud, they get by lightly as compared to the ordinary folks. But, having a dual policy when people are killed just goes to show the depths to which we have reached. Life is cheap here...

Someone rightly said, "All men are created equal, except that a few are more equal than the others"


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 07:41 | 431124 tip e. canoe
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The whole country is slowly having a large group sociopathic conversion commonly referred to as "fuck em, I got mine" or "fuck em, I'm getting mine" or "fuck em, I can't afford to lose mine" or "fuck em just because it's fun".

sad but so true amigo.

land of the me, home of the knave

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 09:08 | 431220 velobabe
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my eyes welling up with tears, you moved me with your words.

enjoyed the moment, not thinking about myself, while reading your personal assessment of living life while white. you certainly are right, justice for rich whites. just us for rest. i certainly don't know what to do with this understanding. guess what i have been doing my whole life, take advantage of it. glad i am conscious and recognize my own truth, though. humans quite simply, are very ugly to the core.

best to you and your neighbors.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:15 | 430579 MsCreant
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Hi Cammy,

You sound like my aunt, who is in FL. Thanks for getting real. I think we all crave this kind of feedback vs. the contrived bullshit that is our daily fare. And I'd say I'm sorry but it sounds fucking trite, so I won't. Need to be sorry for us all. The shit is hitting the fan, I just didn't know it would be oil spraying chunks and nuggets on us all. Thank you again for your post. 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:59 | 430724 Augustus
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Nothing has hit your fan except the normal air that hit it yesterday or two months ago.  Sorry if it sounds fucking scientific, but facts are fucking facts, no matter if you shit or are constipated with fear.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:35 | 430603 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I understand.  And you are right with your view of the mindset of Americans; they are apathetic, which is very dangerous.  But I do suggest that you stand up (not that you aren't, I am merely saying you as a reference point).  I do suggest that you voice your opinion.  You will be surprised when you do; many may be inspired to do the same.
What we can not do is walk a trail of tears; we can not walk to death camps; we must not rely on them.  Yes, we must rely on we.  I know this will be difficult.  I know people do not want to step outside of their comfort zones, their televisionesque rooms.  People want to stay positive...which is interesting because if the outside force is negative than one is merely balancing it, instead of rectifying it.  I know it is uncomfortable to discuss these things in public, with friends and family, with neighbors and such.  But we must!

We must discuss the fact that the income tax is unconstitutional.  We must discuss that America is run by fascist oilgarchs and kiniving "M"arket "M"akers.  Why are we not discussing Goldman Sachs anymore (MSM)?  How could we forget what they did to us??

It is complex, this situation.  Focusing outrage at Tony or Barry, BS or Timmah will only do so much, as the Hydra has many heads.  But we must slay the beast.  WE MUST!  Personally I think candle lit vigils are in order; this in mass!!!  And the day will come.  Mark my words the day will come, and this spill just reved the time line into high gear.  If not next month than 6 months, if not 6 months than two years.  But the day will come, oh yes, the day will come.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:46 | 430244 breezer1
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i always thought that all the high profile environmental activists could only protest about something after permission was granted. otherwise they would be deemed terrorists.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:05 | 430287 New_Meat
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Anyone know what's going on?

CD, not wasting a good crisis - Ned

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:03 | 430365 Carl Marks
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I saw it rain poop in Cambodia.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:11 | 430568 calltoaccount
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lamestream media already too polluted to give coverage to such nonsense.  

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:58 | 430077 Divided States ...
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Looks like BP will be paying for damages far far away from the GoM.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:07 | 430109 taraxias
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BP will produce about a dozen scientists who will claim that "oil rain" is a natural phenomenon and it has absolutely nothing to do with the BP leak in the GoM.......and the White House will endorse their position.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:58 | 430079 Bam_Man
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Was Jed Clampett down there shooting at some waterfowl?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:54 | 430260 RabidLemming
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not a chemist but having made emulsions with asphalt (oil) and soap (water, acid, fat) it seems quite palusiable that oil fires would be hot enough to emulsify with water in clouds.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 16:59 | 430084 Nolsgrad
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no confirmation of oil rain from my friends in NOLA. That city is pretty dirty.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:00 | 430090 John McCloy
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  This is so tragic. It will not end there the unseen impact will be discussed for decades. This will continue among the entire gulf and move along the seaboard destroying crops, property and now factor in a relatively mild tropical storm which may need only be a Cat 1 which draws its water & energy from the gulf and moves inland just torrential rainstorms of oil up towards Kansas and middle America drenching crops, cars, homes, children on their way to school and as I type this the oil volcano spews at an ever increasing rate. The rain toxic corexit spiked rain will taint lakes,rivers & estuarys. 

     That is why I insist that for a market to even attempt to rally with all the horrific economic data let alone an economy killer to the tune of a trillion dollars is ludicrous. This spill is destroying an entire portion of America reliant upon the oceans at a time when they are still not recovering economically. Ben can print every dollar he wants however ever s=dollar he prints is destroyed two fold every minute this oil volcano spews into the gulf. I hate to make this kind of analogy but the entire Gulf will be Detroit in 10 years and there wil be documentary upon documentary upon the impact on families, commerce, fishing, the oceans, marine life, tourism and home values. God help these people.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:58 | 430275 Cammy Le Flage
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10 years?  Thanks for the optimism.  It will be a whole lot less than that.  A whole lot less.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:06 | 430372 Jim Cramer
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Tragic, I think the bible talks about a third of the earth's water being destroyed in the end times.  Maybe just maybe this is it?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:06 | 430815 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  I hate to make this kind of analogy but the entire Gulf will be Detroit in 10 years and there wil be documentary upon documentary upon the impact on families, commerce, fishing, the oceans, marine life, tourism and home values.

I'd have to ask the question:  Did / does anybody care about Detroit for the last 20 years?    No.  Did it matter.   No.   


This is America,  everybody knows Detriot and the southeast is mostly "those people".   The suburbs will be fine and the jumbo shrimp comes from Vietnam (right)? 


Come-on.  American hasn't been a functional society for my entire life (I'm 55).  Just a nation of pissed off assholes worried (mostly) about "what doze people did to dis great and glorious nation dat my faddar die for".   


It's the peasants (at each other's throats), the nobilty and vassals (of the nobility); nothing else (oh, and the stupendous bowl, of course).

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 04:10 | 431031 AnAnonymous
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The unseen impact discussed for decades?

No. That is why people who moved benevolently to help there made a big mistake. Pretty soon, the impact will no longer be discussed. People are going to be left alone with coping with the consequences by themselves.

And if they want to bring to the light the consequences lets say in five years, they will meet a wall of rejection with many people shouting "has the situation not be ment yet? Havent we done what we should before?" etc...

Fact the population has blacks among them wont help as this will be used to deny the long term consequences ("blacks always complaining no matter what") etc the usual drill, this is the US.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:04 | 430093 Pladizow
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Was'nt this one of the ten biblical plagues?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:12 | 430303 Cursive
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Just talked to an engineer who says any condensate absorbed into the atmosphere could be ignited by lightening.  Would have to be a LOT of condensate, though.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:58 | 430722 Hephasteus
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blah blah. Fuel air ratios. You have to have them in specific ratios before they become ignitable. I found this out when the garage door blew off when I was 12.

Lambda on a gas engine is 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel.

12.5 to 13.3 is workable mixures in engines as lambda is too lean and melts stuff with most computer controlled engines trying to maintain 12.7 i believe.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:09 | 430104 Flyingtrader
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I call shenanigans, this does not seem plausible.


Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the evaporation temp/point of crude oil is?  I am having alot of trouble believing that crude evaporates and recondenses in the atmosphere in the same way that water does.  Science anyone?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:15 | 430113 New_Meat
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Surface burns get the volatiles (benzene and entrained methane).  Particle and lots of water vapor/steam carryover.  On sand gets a lot hotter, on water 100DegC of course.

- Ned

[edit] P.S. surface burn, and there was a gathering ship that was flaring, the one that got hit by lightning.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:21 | 430151 Trundle
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Volatile organics tend to distill or vaporize at less than water (100 degrees celcius at sea level).  The tarry portions of the oil (dependent on whether they are dealing with light crude or heavier crude) will tend to distill at significantly higher temperatures than water or not at all. Benzens has a boiling point of about 80 and forms azeotropes with water, alcohol other volatiles at temperatures lower than 80 (ethanol/water/benzene azeotropes off at about 65 degrees celcius). 

Bottom line- the stuff is in the clouds in various forms in high concentrations.

Get the fuck out of there.

Next up- transfer of 20-50 million residents out of there.

Your guess as to timing of martial law. 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:14 | 430313 cossack55
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30 June

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 22:40 | 430703 Village Idiot
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4th of July - that seems appropriate - fireworks in the sky and all.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:01 | 430804 Rusty Shorts
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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 11:49 | 431502 WaterWings
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That's just it, the impossible enormity of evacuating it won't happen. It will just be death and destruction. The system is breaking down. Move or get caught in it; whatever happens.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:29 | 430186 Canoe Driver
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you're forgetting the fires.  even iron vaporizes and condenses if the temperatures are high enough.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:04 | 430286 Trundle
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That too. But just the evaporation from the heat on the surface of the water will be enough to volatilize both the water and volatile organics complexed thereto.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:06 | 430289 Hephasteus
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Snow can sublimate. Turn from solid to gas at deeply subzero temperatures. Phase change just needs energy, temperature is just points where it happens slowly or rapidly.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:03 | 430364 Anarchist
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And the right ambient pressure....

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:06 | 430107 New_Meat
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Raining oil lightning storm in the between the Burq'an and Umm Q'dair burning oil fields in '91.  Still have the spotted night coat. - Ned

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:28 | 430185 Shameful
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That is the most metal thing I have ever heard!  I'm having images of fire, rain, and lightning falling from the sky, set to Raining Blood!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:15 | 430577 New_Meat
New_Meat's picture at 3:00 and the end.  Times about 30 oil wells, all lined up in a row.

Haven't seen that in a bunch of years; I be creeped out.

- Ned

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:23 | 430589 Rusty_Shackleford
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Thank God I'm not the only Metalocalypse fan on this site.



Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:06 | 430108 Calculated_Risk
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color me skeptical.

Notice the major spots are next to a curb, where a car would park. We get this in Phoenix when it hasn't rained in a while.

The new/first rain brings up the oil from the roads. Some streets get slick as ice!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:11 | 430125 VK
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didn't you see the BBC article linked above and there's a commenter above who experienced oil rain in gulf war 1. It has precedent.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:24 | 430162 Calculated_Risk
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Specifically, point out where I said it couldn't happen.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:11 | 430126 bingaling
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Its everywhere . On the sidewalks in puddles far from the road . Did we watch the same video?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:24 | 430152 Calculated_Risk
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It's only a one minute video, and over half of it was focused on a little area on the street!!!! The dude walks through a giant spot, right where a car would be parked! It didn't show any sidewalk!

Go a mile away, two, three, the next town, then I'll be convinced!

fucking tard!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:50 | 430256 bingaling
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it does show the sidewalk next to the grass and next to the camper parked in the driveway fuck tard .

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:10 | 430299 Calculated_Risk
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"it does show the sidewalk next to the grass and next to the camper parked in the driveway fuck tard "


So is it a sidewalk or driveway?! It looks like the driveway, where a car would park, where it could leak oil! And that is NOT considered 'all over the place'!!!

Pull your head out of your ass!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:49 | 430254 ToddGak
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Yeah, this video is interesting but it certainly doesn't prove anything.  That water could be containing runoff from someone's lawn where they had their pickup up on cinder blocks changing the oil.  Not to say that oil rain is impossible, but this video sure doesn't prove that oil rain is happening there in Louisiana.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:12 | 430307 Calculated_Risk
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Exactly! Jeez, god forbid you use logic here anymore! This fucking site is becoming a paranoid shit storm ready to pull the trigger on anyone that considers an alternative! Kind of ironic, since the sight was founded on such a premise!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:10 | 430116 NumberNone
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Old document says oil can evaporate...light crudes up to 75% of mass and medium crudes up to 40% of mass in just a few days.  Then you have to factor in dispersants and how they might factor into the evaporation process.

It just keeps getting better. 


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:10 | 430120 bingaling
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He says you smell it. That is not good .

Also if this is true it is likely the ground water supplies are now contaminated .

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:11 | 430123 Commander Cody
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Perhaps the oil is associated with a leak in a vehicle since its on a street?  Or worse, some asshole changed his vehicle's oil and dumped it?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:14 | 430130 bingaling
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Watch the video again it is everywhere . On the sidewalks and in puddles far from the road.I am not saying it is true you could pour a couple of quarts of oil around to get the same effects but from what the video shows it is everywhere .

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:14 | 430131 seventree
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I have seen a similar effect after a long dry spell, when exhaust from oil-burning clunkers collects until it rains, and rises to the surface of puddles.

However it is not impossible an oil rain could happen someday. There are many documented reports of fish being sucked up into a waterspout, dispersed through the cloud layer by high winds, then deposited on land. Under the right conditions the same could happen to an oil slick.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:18 | 430144 jkruffin
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Here is some math to do:


1 qt of oil is said to make 250,000 gals of water toxic

4qt to a gallon = 120 million quarts spilled

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:01 | 430551 calltoaccount
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Likely closer to reality, 100k+ barrels a day flowing (x42 gallons per) = 4.2M gallons (16.8M qts.) daily

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:20 | 430148 bob_dabolina
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I guess no one read my post above.

For those calling bullshit look at the photo below and explain to me why the sand is black around those fires.

Now consider this video from the gulf

Draw conclusions.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:34 | 430202 WaterWings
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Good post. Thanks bob.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:13 | 430310 New_Meat
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Because it was frick'n hot, glass furnace for your scotch or wine glass at +/- 2,000 DegC.  - Ned

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 09:31 | 431244 velobabe
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jeeze, i am a pyromaniac, got it bad, at a young age.

A type of impulse control disorder, pyromania is an impulse to deliberately start fires to relieve tension

but always controlled and contained my fires.

glass furnace, glory hole and high fire kilns.

pit fires are the best. 2400º F was such a turn on†

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:22 | 430159 snarkolepsy
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This comes from one source. If it were true, youtube would be filled with videos. People are circulating info from the same source. Besides - you smell oil every time you go to a gas station. Ya'all are fine. Aren't you?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:33 | 430195 Canoe Driver
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no. we all are not fine. moron.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:42 | 430231 cougar_w
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Wow. I didn't know women still gave birth to people as stupid as this. 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:59 | 430356 theopco
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Actually, it's getting worse:

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 09:35 | 431249 velobabe
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wear protection, white stupid guys. don't blame the woman.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:23 | 430161 fastishplastic
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opportunity; step one remove gas cap, step two, drive your big shiny lease to the bank, step three, buy yourself a bunker 

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:25 | 430174 ratava
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i dedicate this oil rain to bush voters.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:59 | 430355 ratava
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junk me some more. everyone knows iraq was for oil.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 20:50 | 430522 calltoaccount
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Wed, 06/23/2010 - 21:20 | 430587 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Order out of chaos", I think is their quote...whatever that means.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:33 | 430197 Rider
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This is awesome just collect the rain and fill your tank! It's like the mana fom heaven, a gift from BP!!

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:05 | 430370 theopco
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Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:37 | 430213 cougar_w
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You can doubt these "raining oil" accounts if you want, but I'm gonna roll with it.

Spells "those folk are epic fuxor'd" but you know what, they'll just laugh and slap each other on the back and go back to watching NASCAR on the HD. So I'm fine with it until they start dragging BP station attendants out of their money huts and down to the ... no I won't say it. I don't want that to happen.


Wed, 06/23/2010 - 23:24 | 430753 Almost Solvent
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Had some BP franchisees on the news tonight CRYING because they are independent, small business owners who have no connection to corporate BP but the are subject to boycotts and nasty crank calls or worse.

Poor bastards, they never had a chance..........

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:37 | 430214 dantes1807
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I guess we will find it whether it can rain oil when the first hurricane comes around. Then it can dump the oil up the Atlantic coast. I don't see any other news outlets reporting this story about raining oil

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 17:50 | 430255 CustomersMan
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The oil coming up from 40,000 plus feet is not just pure oil. There are semi-moulten pieces of rock, gases,metals and other substances combined in it. Did you think it was refined first?


At 70,000 psi pressure, combined with rock, sand  and high temp. this mixture is sandblasting the inside of the well casing. What was 2 inch thick steel is now 1 inch thick and in places down hole gone completely.


If this pressure and sandblasting continues, you ain't seen nothin yet.


On the question of evaporation. Think of a still. A mixture of water and alcohol is heated. Since the alcohol evaporates first at about 61C. , you heat it to just above that to force the alcohol to evaporate without the water.


So there are many components in this mix, that evaporate seperately. It's not all or nothing.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:24 | 430333 Cognitive Dissonance
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I suggest you check your facts. I fully agree this is a shit storm but much of what you're stating doesn't agree with many accepted facts agreed upon by numerous independent sources. There is no 70k PSI. The well isn't 40K feet deep. And so on.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:25 | 430338 snakehead
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The depth of the well is 18,360 feet, not 40,000 feet.  If the pressure were 70000 psi you wouldn't need a well because it would have blasted its way through the rock all by itself.  It's about 13000 psi.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:02 | 430280 UGrev
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Time for some 007:

2nd paragraph:

Separately, the response to the spill took a tragic turn when two people associated with the clean-up died in unrelated incidents, one a swimming pool accident and the other involving a person enlisted in the effort to skim oil, Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen announced. He had no further information about the two deaths, which he learned about just before his noon EDT briefing.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:02 | 430282 bingaling
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I found this as well seems vegetation is getting killed from rains

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:06 | 430295 Hephasteus
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 09:58 | 431280 velobabe
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i didn't junk you. but the places you lurk, now understand my brow beating by you, a while back.

thank you ZH for your lack of patience and slow server this AM, makes me say “don't take yourself to seriously, kath”.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:11 | 430301 Monday1929
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There is no proof that oil rain is unhealthy for humans. Studies must be done.

Maybe a country that re-elected Nixon and Bush2 is just getting what it deserves.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:19 | 430327 cossack55
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Let's not stop there.  How about FDR and Teddy, Wison, Johnson, Bush1, Clinton , Reagan, can finish.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 00:14 | 430831 Rusty Shorts
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 - surprisingly, some of us possess what is known as "common sense",, - the rest are just fucked.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 18:20 | 430331 snarkolepsy
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Okay - so, if everyone is so afraid.. why are they walking barefoot throught it?

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:03 | 430362 fuu
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Stupid is as stupid does I hear.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:00 | 430359 fuu
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If it turns out BP was negligent can we convict BP officers for negligent homicide if there are deaths? It is starting to sound like we should maybe be thinking about evacuating a few million people north and west just from a health stand point. If we never move them or tell them it would be a good idea to move and thousands die from toxins doesn't it sort of get to crimes against humanity level?


At some point the laws of natures begin to apply here.

Wed, 06/23/2010 - 19:07 | 430375 papaswamp
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For all the nay sayers.....this is light sweet crude not heavy....huge difference with a very high evaporation rate.

From the CDC:

When an Oil Spill Occurs Light crude contains volatile organic compounds which evaporate. Thus, light crude oil will lose up to 10 to 15% of its volume immediately, and up to 25% of its volume within 24 hours. How much of its volume is lost depends on the surface-to-volume ratio of the bulk oil. Events that disperse the oil, such as a well blowout, can affect this. Thus, crude oil in a pool or tank will retain more of its volatile components than crude in an oil slick.[2]

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