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BlackRock Issues Refutation Of SLV Fraud Allegations; Is It Time To Panic For SLV Holders?

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Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:10 | 1194098 MaxVernon
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oh well, everything is perfect then!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:10 | 1194103 MaxVernon
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hey, at least I didn't say "silver bitches".

 

D'oh, I just did!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:21 | 1194158 tekhneek
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If you're the first person to post, make it worth the keystrokes god damn it.

SILVER, BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:33 | 1194211 justbuygold
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I thought JP Morgan's vaults were full 8-12 months ago.  They ran out of vault space. I think its limit was 400 tons.  So exactly where is all excess silver being stored .

Of course its true that JP Morgan may not as custodian have any " legal rights " to the silver ( just like they had no legal rights to issue fraudulent mortgage documents).  However that doesn't and won't stop them from using all that inventory as an excuse with Comex that they are just hedging inventory/positions .

Funny how this story suddenly comes out when silver is up over $2 today.  You would think they would publish this story at a time when silver was crashing and there were rampant negative rumours . At that point they would want to protect their SLV franchise.

Yes, this looks like an extremely desperate attempt to stop what is an uncontrollable short squeeze on an massive uncovered short position.

 

BUY MORE PHYSICAL SILVER  !

 

 

 

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:59 | 1194351 Careless Whisper
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JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., London branch, provides custodial services for storing the silver

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

best belly laugh i had all day.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 18:38 | 1194481 What does it al...
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Well, here is a well written retort on all this Silver is scarce argument, yet people don't believe it.  It's like showing you an autopsy report and yet you are still claiming murder.  In that case, there really isn't any fact or proof necessary.  

All the silver bull's foundation is based on rumors and mass hysteria.  BNY/Ishares are trying to pop the bubble before it is too late....  

It is too late.  Good luck to all. 

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 18:55 | 1194540 outamyeffinway
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The "report" said JFK was shot with one bullet.

The "report" said that building 7 was on fire and collapsed due to the "fire", according to "the report".

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:37 | 1194651 spastic colon
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I like that! I think a good way to go by is to do the exact opposite of what the globalists and banksters spout off. I am riding this bull for awhile. Bought 3 more ounces today at 47.25 each. Silver bitchez!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:49 | 1194696 Careless Whisper
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Are you talking about the "report" that he links to from Inspectorate International Ltd. ?  Ya think they're opinion is as good as a AAA from Moody's?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 00:10 | 1195264 Slewburger
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I prefer this classic:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/project-mayhem-research-multiple-anomal...

The inspectorate is clearly a rubber stamp.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 06:30 | 1195574 Bendromeda Strain
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Thank you for that. I hope all is well with PM.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 18:53 | 1194541 akak
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?????????

All the silver bull's foundation is based on rumors and mass hysteria.

Again, ??????????

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 00:52 | 1195352 RockyRacoon
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Hey, akak, found this article on the Hunt Bros. that I think you'll like:

How the Hunt Brothers Capped Gold…Yes, Gold
April 18, 2011 - By Michael Maloney
I’ve studied the Hunt Brothers, and I have a different take on what happened. Because of the way they flaunted wealth, because of ties to the Middle East, and because they invested heavily in silver, the Hunt brothers were perfect scapegoats.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 01:02 | 1195364 akak
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Thanks Rocky!  Read that one already, lol.

Interesting premise, though.  I have always bristled at the glib (and incorrect) assertion by so-called mainstream analysts that the Hunts were evil speculators, and got what was coming to them.  I am STILL learning the vile extent of the criminal actions taken against them by the US government by changing the rules in the middle of the game, and wildly tilting the table against them to defend our POS fiat currency.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 07:42 | 1195612 Pegasus Muse
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Someone suggested this documentary yesterday:

The Money Masters:  How the Bankers run the United States and the World

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv-ZCj1_HHI  

I've watched a third of it so far.  Highly recommended.  Does a great job showing how evil banksters insinuate themselves into governments, encourage wars (gov't indebtedness), and take out opponents (assassinations, etc).  The Rothschild family covered in depth.  The sordid history of the central banking in the US discussed. 

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:09 | 1194586 SWRichmond
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It's like showing you an autopsy report and yet you are still claiming murder.

Not quite.  What it's really like is when you react with a great deal of skepticism when a proven liar tells you that they haven't lied, and they aren't lying to you now.  Putting the lies in writing doesn't make them any more crdible.  Hell, in 2011 America, swearing to lies in court and submitting "evidence" you know to be false doesn't even get you prosecuted if you're a bankster or a bankster attorney and the person you're cheating is one of the unwashed.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:40 | 1194661 knukles
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Was the person dead when the autopsy was performed?

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:14 | 1194598 tmosley
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Yeah, except we saw the body, and it was full of bullet holes, and chopped up into little bits.

The silver bull market is based on fundamentals.  Fundamentals like, I don't know, 5000 year lows in silver inventories, burgeoning industrial uses, and dollar debasement.

But hey, you just hold onto your precious paper.  I'm sure it will make fine kindling for a night's fire.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:20 | 1194606 Cognitive Dissonance
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Well, here is a well written retort on all this Silver is scarce argument, yet people don't believe it.

Well written retort? Are you referring to the Blackrock "retort" above? Really? Because after reading it twice, then reading it a third time just to make sure I didn't somehow miss something, I don't see where this "well written retort" refutes much of anything.

It's basically a recital of the prospectus including direct quotes pulled from the prospectus. It doesn't respond to the most serious allegations made by the so called "silver bull's foundation". Blackrock's argument is standard boiler point rhetoric and mostly doesn't even acknowledge the specific allegations other than to say here are the serial numbers and here is the Seeking Alpha article and we are telling the truth. Oh and by the way, we guarantee nothing.

Try again.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:46 | 1194690 DaddyO
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+1

CD, you must have read the same post that I read! It says "nothing", absolutely nothing to refute anything regarding the fraud being perpetrated by SLV.

DaddyO

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:49 | 1194701 knukles
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The elegant retort, indeed proof positive, would simply entail shifting all of said silver, said to be physically present against which there are no encumbrances, currently held as unallocated LBMA good delivery bullion, to....

....a formal allocated, unencumbered status...

....which should be of no consequence as the bullion held is said to be physically present but simply unallocated and unencumbered.

Right?
Right, Knukles!

Listen up Larry, I'm tryin' to help ya' here.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:56 | 1194725 knukles
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Moreover, if BlackRock were actually administering this pool in it's shareholder's best interests, they would immediately shift the holdings to a fully allocated unencumbered status so as to immediately capture a significant premium to spot similar to that enjoyed by Sprott Physical Silver Trust holders.

QED.

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:12 | 1195875 RockyRacoon
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CD, let's just acknowledge that it's a "feel good piece" written for those already neck-deep in the trade.   They can skim the thing and feel secure.   Ain't it all about cognitive bias anyhow?

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 21:04 | 1194881 Al Gorerhythm
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Show me the body.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 22:32 | 1195092 Piranhanoia
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No, really. It was breathing and everything before we started. We checked!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 21:30 | 1194959 MrBoompi
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I might believe the prospectus if I hadn't read it. It's got more holes than a ton of swiss cheese. None of the three parties seem to be responsible for anything except making sure enough silver is sold to cover the trust's expenses. If you can't see buying metal is safer than iShares you're pretty supid really.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 23:32 | 1195204 Big Ben
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It's like showing you an autopsy report and yet you are still claiming murder.

It is like seeing an autopsy report written by the person suspected of the murder.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:10 | 1194590 Re-Discovery
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Have fun with silver stocks.  Take 'em out, spend some money on 'em, pretend to love them for a few hours.  But never, never marry them!

Always come home to physical.  That's who you'll build your future with.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 19:18 | 1205692 tomster0126
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Exactly, the more fiat your holdings are the more they're bogus for the future.  i'm keeping gold and silver physical for as long as I can.

 

www.forecastfortomorrow.com

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 20:08 | 1194759 SRSrocco
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SLV NAV vs PSLV NAV

SLV NAV = -2.43%

PSLV NAV = +22.29%

There is almost a 25% difference in the premium in Net Asset Value when you compare Sprotts Silver ETf to iShares SLV ETF.  Time to get into bullion and out of paper

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 20:40 | 1194818 tiger7905
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Funny how SLV has never complained about how hard it is to get silver for their trust like Sprott has. I guess Sprott just doesn't know where to buy it. :-)

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 20:41 | 1194825 SWRichmond
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Now that's some funny shit right there!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 21:34 | 1194964 Hephasteus
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I don't care who you are. That shit'll give you the hysterical giggles right there.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 20:54 | 1194858 akak
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When you consider the irony of your statement, it is truly comical that anyone gives ANY credence to the claims of integrity of the SLV.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 21:50 | 1194991 Hephasteus
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They got a line on a really good downhill willy supplier.

Running a business on a mountaintop is hard. We got no phone. The only way to get here is by plane so we got no walk in business.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 22:29 | 1195073 SWCroaker
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It was a funny comment, but misses the fact that the two funds have different share creation systems.  PSLV sells shares en masse and uses proceeds to place orders for bullion.  Then PSLV has to wait for counterparties to deliever.  SLV is *supposed* to exchange a block of shares when an AP shows up with bullion essentially in hand.  So SLV would never "have difficulty" obtaining the bullion, since they aren't supposed to issue new shares in exchange for a promise of bullion.

 

The utter lack of transparency about the share creation process of SLV, and the associated irregularities in bullion quantity are one of the main points of concern by the bloggers. 

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 23:19 | 1195181 Big Ben
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If I had some silver bullion, why would I exchange it for SLV shares? PSLV is selling at a large premium to NAV, so wouldn't they be able to pay me more for it than I would get from selling the SLV shares?

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 23:19 | 1195188 Vendetta
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Sprott was just trying to get 25 million ozs right?  A billion dollars worth at todays prices.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 18:37 | 1194469 Manzilla
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It would be funnier if Kevin Feldman said that!

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 07:16 | 1195594 Pegasus Muse
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"Investors can see the serial numbers of all the silver bars in the trust here and can review an independent audit of the trust’s silver here."

I was able to open the Bar List.  The Audit file (.pdf) didn't open.  The error message says it is corrupted.

Anyone else having any luck viewing it?

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 15:24 | 1197165 D1eeeeeNAHHHHH
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Does anyone have suggestions on what could replace calls on SLV that tracks silver that may be a safer underline security?

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:09 | 1194105 Calculated_Risk
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blah blah blah

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:54 | 1194301 Sancho Ponzi
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Do you think it is a coincidence that this email was released just a few days after UT takes delivery of $1 billion in gold bullion? 

Me think not.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 19:06 | 1194581 Cow
Thu, 04/21/2011 - 22:37 | 1195099 Piranhanoia
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In NY, was it at a TBTF?

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:09 | 1194107 Xibalba
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oh sheet.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:12 | 1194108 Bastiat
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Great info as usual, TD.

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:13 | 1194113 Lazane
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un huh

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:11 | 1194116 slaughterer
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 JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A., London branch, provides custodial services for storing the silver..

Hmmm

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 17:32 | 1194195 4xaddict
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Just dotting their I's and crossing their T's to show that "they had no idea of JPM's horrible fraud" when it all goes tits up in a ditch

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