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Bloomberg Responds To Fed FOIA Appeal, Blasts Bernanke's "Hyperbolic Speculation" Of Economic Collapse

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The fine folks at Bloomberg refuse to give to the Fed's demands for undisputsed intergalatic domination:

The Board contends that it is serving the public’s interest by keeping all of this information secret from it, claiming that disclosure might harm the borrowers and, therefore, the entire U.S. economy. But the Board has offered no evidence – relying instead on hyperbolic speculation – from which this Court could conclude that such harm was likely to result from disclosure.

And:

The Board’s interests in secrecy are, in fact, aligned with the banks’ interests and are contrary to the public interest. The Board wishes to continue to lend trillions of dollars of public money without oversight or accountability, and the banks wish to continue to reap the benefits of their access to public money without their depositors or shareholders – or the public at large – knowing anything about it.

And lastly:

By contrast, the public has a manifest interest in understanding and evaluating the government’s response to the recent economic crisis, in safeguarding its money, and in knowing whether its government is doling out its money to private entities imprudently. To make matters worse, the public is being denied this basic information even as the Board continues to act on its behalf in providing public assistance to private financial institutions. In order to allow the public to participate in the ongoing debate on the appropriate role of the federal government in alleviating the economic crisis, it should be provided with details of last year’s loans.

Full motion by Bloomberg to deny Fed's appeal below:

 

 


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Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:25 | Link to Comment naiverealist
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I sure hope Bloomberg sets a precedent in this case!

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:37 | Link to Comment NorthenSoul
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Amen to that!

Considering how slothful and completely depraved* the mainstream media has become in this country, Bloomberg stands out as a REAL journalists' outlet.

 

*For a few juicy examples related by Scahill (of "Blackwater fame) of how bad it is, see the video here:

http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/scahill-greenwald/

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 08:32 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:28 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Listen guys...

If Ben knows what's on and off the Feds books... as he certainly does...

And he thinks that it's so bad that if we saw it... that economic collapse would ensue...

Maybe we should just believe him this once and put everybody who had anything to do with that mess where they belong.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:30 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Club Fed Gauntanimo anyone?

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Too good of a sopt.  I was thinking of assigning them to Compound AM at FCI Sandstone and let the shovel for awhile.  If Heidi got Food Service AM/Pots and Pans at FCI Pleasanton then those folks sure could handle the fresh air of a crisp Minnesota January or February morning clearing walkways at .12 cents an hour. Their real worth.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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ZerOhead,

I respect your comments and I love your picture. That said, exactly who is the "we" you speak of and how exactly will "we" put anyone where they belong when the fall TV season has started and the NFL just finished week 4?

Seriously, do you really think that anyone who might have any power to actually put these people where they belong will ever be allowed to exercise that power without the backing of massive civil unrest in the streets?

Just askin'.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:04 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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It's just the meds talking...

Sometimes they scream...       go Bills?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:11 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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If the Taser barbs can't hook to your clothing the jolt will be ineffective.  I speculate a thick rubber wetsuit underneath a normal pair of clothing may provide adequate insulation.  Untested.

Molotov Cocktails.

Pepper spray has an anti-dote.  Sudecon is your friend:

http://www.redhotpepperspray.com/pepper-spray-antidote.html

More information and a homebrew decontamination recipe can be found here:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Pepper-Spray-Decontamination---Antidote-You-Ca...

Snipers in tall buildings are a riot cop's worst nightmare.  How soon until?

Riot cops have the upper hand primarily because they have the psychological advantage.  They know mayhem is about to occur and that they are fully backed by their "authority" to unleash all their pent up frustrations from being inferior humans intellectually, so they assume carte blanche for destruction.  If most (instead of only some) protestors came to these meet-ups with the intention of getting bruised, battered, and kicking some cop ass, the psychological advantage would shatter like so many riot helmets under the force of a swung lead pipe.  You catch my drift?  Sure they will start shooting, but no revolution ever started without the first shot being fired.  Then it's Game On.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Chumbawamba 's been planning for a party.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Looks like he found a cookbook.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Lndmvr
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From my hometown paper,

"The new ordinance will go into affect after it meets final approval from city council, but that doesn’t mean the zoning administrator will be patrolling the streets searching for signs that aren’t up to code. “Those in violation immediately, I will start communication with and those in violation five years from now, we will try to give advance warning at some point,” Wright said. “All property/business owners have the responsibility to be aware of what’s going on. There’s been a lot of publicity over the years, there’s no reason people shouldn’t be aware of it already.”

Wright said the new chapter in the code of ordinances isn’t entirely new, but rather a combination of rules and regulations established by ‘zones’ or ‘areas’ designed to address the entire town of Red Oak.

Some of the other signs listed as ‘prohibited’ include: garage sale signs, flashing lights, portable signs, vehicle signs, revolving signs, swinging signs, fence signs, balloon signs and animated signs. “The public needs to be aware that temporary signs will not be allowed on any utility or sign posts,” Wright said. Billboards will also no longer be permitted within city limits.

Penalties will fall under the municipal code, which could mean up to a $750 fine per violation.

Some signs will be exempt such as public agency signs, flags and emblems, art displays and seasonal decorations."

Wont even be able to hold a protest sign against the sign law. How stupid are people?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:58 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Stupid like a fox...

Best just to use wet tee-shirts to really get a point across...  or two.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:51 | Link to Comment arnoldsimage
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chumba... funny you should mention molotov cocktails. when i was watching all the videos on g20 riot police bootstompers, i was thinking... man if those protesters all had molotovs, how sweet would that be.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:46 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Exactly.  What's wrong with these idiots?  I watched video for the G20 protests and was aghast at how docile the "protestors" were.  Some kid was getting arrested and a couple people stood around asking the cops, "Why are you arresting him?  What did he do?", over and over.  Wow, that's really helpful.

Another video is some kid filming a cop asking him if he could ask him a question in this meek little stutter, with the cop just glaring back at him with his best Terminator 2: Judgement Day stare.  Ask if you can ask him a question?  Mother fucker, just ASK him a mother fucking question.  And don't just ask him a question, DEMAND SOME MOTHER FUCKING INFORMATION FROM YOUR PUBLIC SERVENT.

Kids these days are PATHETIC.  It's time to get out there and fuck shit up.

When it's game mother fucking on it will be GAME MOTHER FUCKING ON.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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Game On, Bitches.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:30 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Wrong approach guys...

No point arguing with a chair... or pig for that matter.

Think farther up the food chain. And think pressure... not violence. They will use the 'violent threat' you pose to take away everybodys liberties... and they have toys that you couldn't dream up.

Don't take the bait.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:01 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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You think what we're living under now is freedom?  Do you know how many videos I've watched this year of cops tasering people at traffic stops?  Do you know why we're fighting two three wars (Pakistan) right now?  Me either.

Are you lame?

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:16 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Hey Chummy...

Just telling you that the best weapon around has always been your brain. Study the adversary and find the weak points. Never signal your intentions. And no Chummy violence is not the solution against our 'overlords'. Not yet anyway.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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You speak the truth, ZerO.  I am speaking in extremes - as are probably many.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:42 | Link to Comment arnoldsimage
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chumba... this is what Should have happened at g20 protests. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3LVgeOTjqg

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:46 | Link to Comment arnoldsimage
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keep fucking with us gangstas. you're gonna get yours real soon.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:04 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I love that video.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 03:35 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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When the rats understand they out number the rat keepers, things will change. But not until then.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:51 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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I practice what I preach.

I'm filing mail fraud charges against the Treasurer of an adjacent county for sending me a collection notice for a fine on an offense for which I've not been convicted.  I go to court to fight that, but in the meantime the Treasurer committed mail fraud.  FUCKING OOPS.

I am currently taking on the CHP over their officers' epidemic ignorance of the law.

I am filing a complaint against the punk courthouse security goon who wouldn't give me his badge number upon demand.

I AM TAKING THESE MOTHER FUCKERS ON AND I AM GOING TO PREVAIL.

Too many people for too many years have been too god damn docile.

START FUCKING SHIT UP.

I am Chumbawamba god damn it.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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So I know that some people on this site aren't exactly "fans" of Michael Moore.  But I went and saw "Capitalism: A love Story" this weekend, and I'll tell you what - Moore is calling for revolution.  I walked out of there feeling big time empowered. 

Some guys go through their whole life, fighting against something that they can't quite put there finger on.  I have found a good and noble cause - America.  Point me in the right direction, cuz this dude is ready. 

Someone recently said that "the difference between activists of the 60's and activists today boils down to one thing - money".  today's activists have resources - some more than others - but considerably more than the previous movement had, to affect change in our government.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:24 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Maybe that's why this generation isn't making any progress: we don't know how to fight.  We've had it too good growing up.

The only direction you should be pointed towards is the one your mind and your heart takes you.

I'll let you in on a little secret:

I drive when I'm high.  I even take a beer along from time to time.  And a lot of times I don't wear my seatbelt.  Why?  Because I can.  And I can do it without ruining someone else's driving experience or damaging someone else's property.  I'm responsible.

I don't pay my taxes.  Why?  It's not because I don't believe in paying my fair share; I do.  I just don't believe in funding endless wars of less than zero value and devoid of any meaning that profit an evil few and kill my fellow humans and stain my soul with a collective guilt of which I did not ask to be a part.  I also don't believe in paying for the mistakes of well-to-do bankers and finance faggots who don't want to take a loss.  I don't believe in putting a noose around my neck and pulling it tight.  I'm not suicidal.

I am also not an imbecile! (Thanks, Gerald Celente)

I don't pay my credit cards anymore.  I'm delinquent on all of them, half a dozen or more.  Why?  It's not because I don't believe in paying off my debts; I do.  But I don't think it's right that I should have to pay a bank that got bailed out with my tax dollars for the privelege to treat me like an ATM machine and to arbitrarily raise rates and fees on me when times got tough for them as a result of their own greed and utter stupidity.  I had perfect credit.  I played the game.  They changed the rules.  So, they got their bail out, I got mine.  Two can play at that game, fuckers.

I practice what I preach.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:52 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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"I drive when I'm high.  I even take a beer along from time to time.  And a lot of times I don't wear my seatbelt.  Why?  Because I can.  And I can do it without ruining someone else's driving experience or damaging someone else's property.  I'm responsible."

Chumbawamba... do you know how many 'dead' people I have worked on as a Paramedic who were 'responsible impaired drivers' not wearing their seatbelts just like you... and how families who were killed and seriously injured by 'responsible impaired drivers' just like you... I once had a man who was hit head-on by a "you" and spent the last few minutes of his life trapped in his crumpled car begging for me to save him so he could be with his family... he died before we could get him out.

The world simply does not revolve around you... no matter how much you wish it would.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 00:15 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Yeah, whatever.  Tell that to the guys you have to scoop out of the tin cans.  I'm not they.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 08:00 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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Until you are...

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:14 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Owe the banks $10,000 and don't pay - It's your problem

Owe the banks $10 million and don't pay - It's their problem

Seatbelt... hey it's your life.

Buzzed? Better not get too buzzed. 

Law of averages eventually catches up with you and tasers are a bitch! 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:17 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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:-)

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 07:39 | Link to Comment blackebitda
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just a question...while doing all these things..are you gainfully employed in some form or fashion? 

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 13:38 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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He's employed as Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 21:05 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Feel good story of the week... Thanks

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 03:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Bubby BankenStein
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There is a nice new prison in Hardin, MT that has some 450 berths available.  Not nearly enough space, but a good start.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:11 | Link to Comment albion402
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Right on...toss their butts in the pokey!

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Overheard at the bar.

You mean like, civil disobedience? Not pay my taxes? Are you crazy, that's the IRS you're talking about. Besides, it's unpatriotic not to support your country when it needs you. I don't like them banks getting bailed out any more than the next guy. But I don't want no trouble.

Hey, I'm all for signing petitions or maybe even sending a letter to the editors but doing something that might just get me in some trouble? I got a wife and kids damn it.

If my boss finds out I'm messing around with protests and stuff, he'll fire my ass. And I don't want no police cruisers pulling up to my house. What will the neighbors think?

That's just crazy talk, dude. Crazy talk with a capital K.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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That guy will be good fodder.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Oso
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inciting violence makes you no better than the ayatollah's.  CD, i agree with you 100%.  the chechyans have been fighting for how long? the kurds?? the Irish???  the kashmiris??? the (insert one of a billion different people who have been trying to use violence to get out of things).

 

we are not at that point.  politicans want their jobs, so make it so they fear losing them.

 

you guys want to change things?  go to the townhall meetings and teach the people about the fraud that is being committed.  u saw the anger with healthcare.  if the people knew they were being robbed a 100x over, you dont think the politicians wouldnt act immediately? 

 

you dont need violence.  you need understanding.

 

although, i am surprised that there havent been mass protests in front of the NYFed, or on Wall Street itself.  why hasnt a peaceful mob made it impossible for the bankers and bureaucrats to get to work???  If they cant work, they cant perpetrate the fraud.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:27 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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You don't understand.  It's all one fight, and you're about to join it.

But I agree, go to townhall meetings and raise a ruckus.  Not in a "death panel" kind of way, but speak out, and tell everyone there you're mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.  And mean it.

But when they close the townhall, be ready to start fighting with your fists, because words will no longer work.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 01:35 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Chumbawamba, the fact is Oso does & has, as have many others.  It takes all sorts to make this rickety railroad work my associate.  Best to remember it.  I know what you are saying and so does OSO I am sure.  Just as we need teachers and soldiers..... We need the freedom to operate.  I do appreciate your DOJ-BOP approach to things when your thrust is that all staff respond and are CO's first.  Both are valid big 60. Remember to have some faith & keep your powder dry. Chances are excellent we will meet each other on the high ground. After all, we already possess it and it would be a shame to sacrifice it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOgHBMujTCw

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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If you think Ben is cranking up the printing presses, he has nothing on the IRS.  The amount of brochures full of propaganda trying to dismiss tax protestors is crazy.  They may single-handedly be trying to keep the USPS fully employed, while trying to match their number of workers.

Also, I'm convinced that a big chunk of the stimulus money not spent Federally ended up being spent on overtime for Speed Traps and doubling the amount of IRS collection agents.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Lemmings at play to a T.  Excellent CD. No wonder participatory democracy enjoys the tremendous success it has. The simple truth CD expresses enables almost anyone to see which other societies citizens have said the very same things and at which points in their development.

Overheard at the Bar sounds like got it at the bathroom...

Screen Some Rot!  Screen Some Rot!

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:40 | Link to Comment deadhead
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President Obama....Bernanke is YOUR guy now and he is saying "screw you" to the American people and he refuses to be transparent, a concept that was the hallmark of  your campaign. 

Your solicitor general, in a direct, double teamed "screw you" to the American people, has said that the Obama administration, YOUR administration, directly agrees with the Fed and will not support transparency, and has given the legal okay to continue to fight Bloomberg's request for information as to how the Fed is handling our dollar.

How the heck are you reconciling this Mr. President?  The only one of your wall street based team that isn't a part of these shenanigans is Volcker....you should listen to him. 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Great post, deadhead!

The current Administration better have a really good explanation ready on why they support the Fed's efforts to conceal information from the American public.   I get the sense once the truth starts coming on this coordinated sham, all hell will break loose.

The FOIA resonse from Bloomberg is great.  The important point to emphasize is that-- no matter what is said-- the Fed ultimately serves its member bankers (and not the general public) in its actions.  If the courts cannot manage to side with the public interest in this instance-- and it should be a layup-- we are in for a world of chaos.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 08:48 | Link to Comment deadhead
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the Fed ultimately serves its member bankers

yes, and as you know, most americans have no clue.  The MSM needs to point this out.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Cistercian
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 We must keep our heavily conflicted and flagrantly illegal behavior in the dark.

   Or we will crash the system.

 

 Gee, these criminals are really swell, huh? For the sake of the truth, just give us the information....then we can decide if it merits the firing squad for treason or merely a looong stay in prison.

 

 Or you can deny us access until the system craters completely , and then the unruly mob will have a go at you.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:44 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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I stand by my prediction that Bernanke will be the first to be hung as a traitor during the next Revolution.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:41 | Link to Comment pigpen
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Ghost agreed. Time to make Bloomberg's quote go viral.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Argos
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Guillotine worked really well in France if I recall correcty.  Much faster.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 02:00 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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WHEN THE F@CK DID WE LOSE ACCESS????

How did it ever get this way?

We didn't make this sh!t. We inherited it and perpetuated it because we did not understand and we thought we were benefitting.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:47 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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Bloomberg is now the second coolest financial news source... ever....

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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Charo?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:55 | Link to Comment perpetual-runner-up
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anyone know anything about this headline from drudge?

 

ARAB STATES LAUNCH SECRET MOVES WITH CHINA, RUSSIA, FRANCE TO STOP USING DOLLAR FOR OIL TRADING... DEVELOPING...

 


Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:59 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Don't know if it is true, but that has been another of my predictions - one day we will wake up and discover a major oil producer will no longer accept USD for payment of oil.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:18 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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same here, waiting for this to refesh. cant find any info on it.

this is bad. like, really bad. sudden stop type stuff. didnt expect it so soon.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:22 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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C'mon VegasBD, YOU didn't expect it so soon?  You of all people have been expecting something like this for at least the past few months that I have been reading your comments.  I would guess that of all people, you are one of the most prepared.

I hope to hell this is true.  Bring it on, I am more than ready.  Almost NONE of my wealth is in USD.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar...

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:27 | Link to Comment deadhead
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i read the article a little while ago.

wonder if benny needs to rally the dollar just a bit quicker now than may have been planned?  also, we got a shitload of treasury toiler paper to unload this week.

 

 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Anyone giving odds that the vampire squid is behind this, or should I say will suck in 10 or 20 billion on this (payable in a basket of euros & gold thank you).

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:44 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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Sooner than expected, not sooner than planned for.

As happy as Im going to be to be proven right to family n friends that been calling me crazy the last couple years, its gonna be shitty for them. And i have a feeling when it gets really bad any of them within driving distance are gonna show up at my house...

But still, this is sobering. This shit is really gonna happen.

 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:34 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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Here it is. Arab states officially dropping the dollar

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar...

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Argos
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I don't think that was an "official" announcement.  And don't forget what happened the last time oil went way up in dollars.  There were food riots all over the world.  What, something like 25% of the oil we use here is to grow and transport food.  Oil goes to $300, the Middle East will starve.  Plus they will wipe out the value of their dollar holdings.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:57 | Link to Comment deadhead
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it's probably some more pressure to prop up the dollar for a little bit....

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 03:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:30 | Link to Comment jdoo
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While I can understand the motivations of the oil producers, and certainly russia and china, to remove the dollar from the oil trade, I have a hard time reconciling that potential action against the significant US military presence in the region.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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significant US military presence in the region......

Are you kidding me....bamma has been pulling his pud since August when, his hand-picked, Gen. McChrystal first asked for additional troops in Afganistan.  He is unwilling to support the troops in an active area of conflict......he's.....uh.....considering his options/new strategy.....

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 08:37 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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Typical POS hiding under the rock called Anonymous.   How many died today?  If the troops had the proper troop level and support you would be asking how many taliban died today.  This is the war bamma wanted, this is the general bamma wanted, given the way bamma is managing (sic) things this will be bamma's Viet Nam.  Ask me how I know......

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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So what happens when the Fed loses in Court and they still don't give up the info? Contempt of court and a fine?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:11 | Link to Comment waterdog
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They will appeal.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:25 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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An appeal sounds appealling. But things will probably follow this line of reasoning...

 

Knock knock...

Who's there?

Eisenhower.

Eisenhower who?

Eisenhower late for the shredder party down at the Fed.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:29 | Link to Comment deadhead
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actually, that was pretty damn funny zero!

i got a knock knock for you....  You have to start, ok?  you say "knock, knock"

 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:34 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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knock knock...

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:01 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Damn those meds...

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 22:31 | Link to Comment deadhead
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knock knock...

Who's there?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Bwaahaaahaaa

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Thoreau
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kudos to bloomberg; their retort is a firm slap at uncle sham.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:13 | Link to Comment dot_bust
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How do we stop the Fed from appealing to the Supreme Court? The Supremes would
rule in their favor.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:16 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Guns will take care of that.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:44 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Oh dats not good.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:39 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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It's in the Constitution.  Read it.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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They sure can.  1mm firearms sold nationally, in the month of August - slow month.  You want to see a different kind of American, go hang out at your local gun range - all types, all ready to go.  These people have their radar up - and it's telling them to be ready.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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Just about everyone I know has purchased at least one gun....male, female, young, old............correctomundo....the radar is up.....

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:04 | Link to Comment NorthenSoul
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THe SCOTUS will rule in favor of the Fed, if, and only if they absolutely wish to be confirmed as the worst Supreme Court edition since the Jim Crow decision.

Of course, they have life tenure and all that. But the SCOTUS derive its authority in part on its perceived legitimacy, which is already badly damaged.

I may sound a bit extreme here, but I sincerely think a decision in favor of the Fed could precipitate a Constitutional crisis: How could the SCOTUS justify such a decision without resorting to gross sophistry and purely ideological arguments is beyond me.

If not a crisis, then we would have a situation where the American people would be justified to include the Court in the "bought and paid for" crowd.

And that could spell big troubles down the road. There is already a deep distrust of Washington and the financial industry, the mainstream media confidence is already deep in the sewer. Add to that the Supreme Court, and you've got all the ingredients of future, hmm, shall we say, non-conventional social movements?

 

Bottom Line: SCOTUS should be careful here and look at the facts of the case...for a change.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:15 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Gold+14 bitches!

While I farted around on the internet all day, I became 14 dollars more wealthy in Federal Reserve Note terms.

When the US senator to gold ratio reaches 1 then I'm buying.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:13 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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Gold's real price hasn't changed. It's staying pat while the dollar slides off. Celebrating gold going up in nominal value is moot unless you have the actual bullion in your hot hands

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 20:41 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Uh, you don't get it.  You price gold in dollars.  That's fine.  To each his own.

I price dollars in gold.  Without gold, there is no money, just paper, and promises (broken).

I don't have any bullion in my hot hands at the moment.  I don't walk around with that shit, fool!

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:09 | Link to Comment You Cant Handle...
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"National Security" is the backdoor password to the Constitution.

Except this time it's not the "War Against Terror." No, this time it's the "War Against The War Against Fractional Reserve Banking.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 21:55 | Link to Comment digalert
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Does anyone truly believe the FED is acting in the public interest? The rest of the world doesn't think so.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 05:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 08:42 | Link to Comment gossamer
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Exposing the Fed's balance sheet is the number 1 issue of the day.  Unfortunately we are competing with "dancing with the stars", xbox, ps2, the NFL, PTI, and the "big three" (loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to take a shit.....thank you Earl Butz). So the possibility of massive public unrest remains very unlikely.....bummer.  So in the end we'll be more like George Carlin, talking out but mostly just enjoying our front row seat to the freak show here in the once great US of A.

A big thanks goes out to Bloomberg for two things.......of course for going after Bennie and the Jets and for giving me a TV business news option to CNBS.  

 

IMO the "real" reason for us maintaining our large military presence in the Middle East is not the oil or the factitious war on terrorism but because of it's proximity to Israel. The Middle East is a tough neighborhood.  There are "a few" (LOL) people in DC who have a keen interest in the Jewish state. If we pull out, who will do their heavy lifting? Are they capable of surviving alone in the ME version of East LA?

 We can become energy independent within 2-3 years by transitioning to CNG.  It's cheaper, cleaner, and we have a shitload of it right here....and our kids(troops) will be out of harms way.....if only this issue could compete with this weekend's Cowboy game or with the celebrities on Dancing with the Stars.

 

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