Bob Janjuah: Euphoric In The Short-Term, Apocalyptic In The Longer

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rajat_bhatia's picture

The debt deal is gonna get resolved,and my gold shorts are gonna pay me Big Time!!! heehehe

kito's picture

unless the repubs are able to prevail, and there are massive cuts, short term gold wont care. a huff puff and fluff deal wont ding the mighty metal.

rajat_bhatia's picture

It will, Gold is Going Down baby!

malikai's picture

It will go down. Right after you cover. Risky play there over the weekend especially.

flaunt's picture

You're some kind of troll considering you have been posting on other threads that you went long on Friday.  Regardless, you're probably right both gold and silver will take a hit when the inevitable resolution occurs, because that's how naive the markets are right now.  So it plays right into the mentality of people like you.  Question is will you be smart enough to consider yourself lucky and take the money and run, or will you hold on thinking you're smart and gold is going to zero?

There is No Spoon's picture

down to what, from where? if gold spikes to 1800 before the debt ceiling is resolved, then comes back down to 1600, you've made nothing and maybe even panicked and covered at a loss. better to wait and see how bad things get before shorting something in such a strong, sustained uptrend.

AmCockerSpaniel's picture

Don't TRADE gold. Just buy the physical, and hold till 2016.

Madcow's picture

why ? 

now, there's no longer any hope of a serious dollar-strengthening change in Washington. Curious to hear your reasoning - 


tom's picture

Good luck with that, Rajat. I'm not one of these sticks-in-the-mud who gets all up in a huff when somebody suggests short-term tactically shorting one of my favorite long-term longs. Be consistent in your outlook, bipolar in your trading, that's my motto. I don't see how anything else can work in these majorly manipulated markets.

I expect a deal in time to avert default, but only by the skin of their chinny chin chins. So you'd better be hovering over that terminal ready to cover, cause I see a spike coming before any retreat. And what's more I don't see gold making any significant retreat from 1600. There will be a deal but a disappointing one. The Rs will get the extension of Bush tax rates that they are holding out for, and the rest will just be fluffy declarations of intentions. It will be short-term bullish for stocks and long-term bullish for gold.

ViewfromUndertheBridge's picture

that Korea Research chart showing the sell-off on the news of ceiling hikes is pretty rb coud be right this time again...but this close (10%ish, thank you Jim Sinclair) to rocket-fuelled parabolic take-off...what is that saying? pennies in front of steamrollers...

Re-Discovery's picture

Timing is everything.  Any announcement of a 'deal' this weekend wil be instantly rejected by the die-hards on each side.  Then sometime Monday or Tuesday the vote counters will announce they have the votes. 

At which point, the question will be 'where is the price of gold'?  The gold market has a lot of cross-currents right now so -- while I expect a move down when the votes are in place -- I dont expect a massive sell-off.  The sauage making has been TOO gross this time.  So good luck shorts.  Hope you time it right.   Dont wait too long to get back long . . . if you can.

Quinvarius's picture

How is the debt situation going to get resolved?  LOL  Did our gold supply suddenly become worth 14 trillion dollars?  No?  Then nothing is getting resolved.  We have no assets to balance our debt.  Just a printing press.

oldman's picture

No one has to balance their debts              they simply fail

Cdad's picture

@ rajat

Like every status quo defender, you fail to recognize that our current president wants a debt downgrade/default.  Too many of you guys have forgotten who Obama is.

Good luck out there.

living on the edge's picture

and my gold shorts

Are you referring to your underwear?

falak pema's picture

Bob Janjuah: Euphoric In The Short-Term, Apocalyptic In The Longer

That's called the Viagara syndrome... good luck as Amy Winehouse paid for us all. In her own way. She died an inimitable poet, but a 'hooked on dope' one. Like all of her own kind; brilliant but unstable.

turds in the punchbowl's picture

an honorable death - remember when this was par for the course? - those days before rockstars grew old and married amputees or pledged to feed the skinnies of the dark continent; where the food ISN"T.


oblonsky's picture

i think now with the US current account deficit as a percentage of GDP down to sustainable levels, gold's best days are behind it. 

ViewfromUndertheBridge's picture

and when it turns to surplus you will be even more confused...Martin Armstrong has some eye opening views for you on this topic...hint, Capital Flight

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

I really think that no matter what is done by .gov and the Fed that there is no way to avoid great pain.

Of course, some roads will lead to greater pain than others.

AustrianEconomist's picture

Only a restructuring of the international monetary system and its underlying economic theories will help resolve the sovereign debt crisis in the US and Europe.

Check out the latest from the Capital Research Institute (CRI):

The Financial System - A House of Cards

THE DORK OF CORK's picture

Its obvious one of the Tylers has a man crush , unless unless its a act of self love Bob


PulauHantu29's picture

Wait a mintue. Is Bob implying that His Majesty cannot inject an $800 Billion QE Bolus into the economic arm every 6 months?

Madcow's picture

Money = Debt. 

Now that credit is no longer expanding voluntarily, you have deflation, as confirmed by PMs. 

Anyone dependent upon "income" is f*d - 


Aloysian's picture


assuming your short gold at $1600, lets see how it goes whenever you post again

valuetrader's picture

I think the points of this piece make a lot of sense - low growth and decreasing living standards. The policy response, especially in the UK and US, will be currency debasement in order to 'stimulate' the economy and lower the debt burden through inflation. At the same time inflation will be reported fairly low to make sure that people are content (although going to the supermarket should open their eyes), additional QE easy to justify and various entitlement adjustments (linked to CPI) kept low. How many Nobel prize winners, professors and other geniuses do we need at CB's to convince us that this is the path to prosperity? Meanwhile, we are going to face higher costs on everything. I am not convinced that the $ can strengthen much as the FED is trigger happy and likely to meet any significant strength with a wall of QE. Gold is the best investment in this unfortunate situation but there maybe better entry points (I doubt it but it is a market that moves up and down).

On the policy side I think that the idea is to gradually inflate the debt using negative real yields. This is very clearly the idea in the UK (check all BOE letters) but the rest of the DM are not far behind. Of course, if you manage to maitain this gradual currency debasement for say 15 years, you are likely to see lower debt levels (assuming you also cut annual deficits somewhat). The side effects will be much lower standards of living and slow growth. I think that a substantial risk is that the market starts pricing this now rather than gradually which can bring substantial volatility in FX and bond markets. We are going to see this volatility as some point but timing is uncertain. All fiat currencies are suspect and there is no CB under the sun you can trust these days. 

oldman's picture

Well said, VT

I have a question, however, about 'growth'.

What happens if one morning we wake up to the news that the world population has flattened and if we do not continue to increase in population because unequal distribution of wealth, growth will be negative for the balance of the century?

This is the black swan aside from Fukushima that has occupied my mind now for some time. What do we/they/us do in a scenario that no one expects might be underway already?

thanks in advance               om

malikai's picture

That's not a black swan, that's mother nature reasserting her control over this place. We should be so lucky that population would plateau and decline slowly. The more likely outcome is that mother nature does us with another plague or famine to get our numbers back in check. That's when you need to worry.

Atomizer's picture

That headline has been lingering for over 10 years. Don't you see the debt ceiling comedy? How can you fund another war without raising taxes and raising the debt ceiling? Riddle me?

Cdad's picture

Nice fucking crystal ball/Ouija board stuff here, Bob Janjuahweed.  Anyone who thinks he can accurately predict such short term movements in the broader indexes is one of two people:  A.  a pumper [about to sell] disguised as a mystic  B.  a guy plugged into the inside HFT/TBTF plan for the indexes.

Both of those guys are assholes.  

Bring on the debt downgrade and default...if only to get rid of guys like this once and for all.

Good grief.

Atomizer's picture

I agree with you half way. They intend to take down all $$ indexes at once, to form a new currency under Basel III accord. We still have a battle ahead of us.

tom's picture

I like Bob. The best forecasters usually get the general picture right, rarely the timing. The forecasters who get the timing right are usually just broken watches who happened to be right at that time of day.

Weak trend growth is exactly the problem. But also, the credit cycle is turning. I know that's hard to believe - the last credit cycle was so huge and lasted so long, people have been trained to expect that this one would be similar.

I count the positive turns in credit cycles at the point where the pace of ex-fin private credit contraction starts to slow, and the negative turns at the point where the pace of expansion starts to stlow. Ex-fin private credit is still expanding, but at a slower pace than last year. That means credit expansion is making a smaller contribution to GDP. That means the pace of credit expansion is making a negative contribution to GDP growth.

oogs66's picture

I was just thinking the same thing.  Great big picture guy.  Awful short term most of the time.  Occassionally has the 10% stop/loss...hmmm, my boss will never let me lose that much, but pay attention to his longer term.  usually good, and often done with less pressure from his trading desk

Ted K's picture

Bob Janjuah: "The reality is that absent a private sector debt binge (the private sector is not that stupid)

Oh, yeah Boberooni, like those CDS and derivatives the banks didn't capitalize for, and General Motors, Chrysler, AIG.  MCI Worldcom, Enron.  Bear Stearns, Lehman.  No those private sector motherfuckers would NEVER be that stupid.  The community banks the last 3 years in FDIC receivership.  The LA Dodgers. The New York Mets.  The average American housewife with her credit cards, the number of families with ARMS mortgages screwing them up the ass.  No no no, Bobberooni you sure got that right buddy, the private sector would NEVER be that stupid.  Newt Gingrich and his 3rd wife at the Jewelers. "W" Bush and his oil ventures......  I can't think of anyone in "the private sector" who would ever be that stupid.