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Boehner Says No Debt Ceiling Hike Without "Real Spending Cuts And Budget Reforms"

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More political theater out of DC:

  • BOEHNER SAYS NO DEBT CEILING HIKE WITHOUT "REAL SPENDING CUTS AND BUDGET REFORMS"
  • BOEHNER SAYS TIME TO TALK `ABOUT TRILLIONS' IN SPENDING CUTS
  • BOEHNER SAYS `NOTHING OFF THE TABLE' EXCEPT 'RAISING TAXES'

So what exactly budget reform involves doing nothing to the revenue side of the income statement? Oh, the type that cuts spending, something Washington has not really succeeded in doing once in history? Good luck, in the meantime, we look forward to our new debt ceiling of $16.3 trillion to be announced in June or July at the latest, which will then have to be hiked to $18.5 trillion for capacity through March 2013.

 

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1243534 GetZeeGold
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Call his bluff....bitchez.

 

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1243632 King_of_simpletons
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Yeah. There will be some 12th hour "bipartisan" deal made and main street will be left holding the bag.... business as usual.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:24 | 1243727 JLee2027
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All we need is 218 Brave men and Women in the House of Representatives willing to say NO. And this system of debt slavery will end overnight.

Yes, there will be riots for a few weeks. Hardship for many. And then we can truly rebuild in a year or two. Otherwise, we face at some point a total system collapse overnight and tens of millions could suffer for far longer.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:41 | 1243797 Tinfoil Hat
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All we need is 218 Brave men and Women in the House of Representatives willing to say NO.

 

 

so.. you're hooped is what you're saying?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:14 | 1243974 Gold 36000
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All you need to do is elect Gold 36000 as president.  I will sequester all funds, default on all treasury debt, end the fed, end the federal income tax and make everyone suffer.  Then we burn the place down and start all over.  I think if you scrutinize my campaign platform carefully you will see that I have the most sensible campaign platform of all.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:24 | 1243716 Bob
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Sure to set off another round of irrepressible alcoholic weeping from The Speaker. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:52 | 1243746 Zero Govt
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the 44 stone greedy, glutenous and most obese institution in the country, the US Govt, wants 'just another' 28 Big Macs before it starts a diet ?

...a diet of taking the finger dips away no doubt from this petulent fat spoilt brat of society but not the Big Macs, super-sized Colas and family pack sized cheesecakes !

4 years into recession when all the private sector has taken a diet years ago the public sector just wants "a little more time" to keep stuffing its fat face with cake 

Go fuk yourself Boehner you lawmaker (greedy useless parasite)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:22 | 1244960 Bay of Pigs
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Yes, he talks a good game but in reality is a useless sack of shit.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:46 | 1243831 chet
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GOP:  "We're taking this whole fucking place down with us!!1!"

(Grabs an M-16 in each hand, goes face down in a mountain of coke)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:08 | 1243903 Zero Govt
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a fitting end for Scarface but we're talking lawmakers (oily lawyers) here in Washington... they'll go down with a wimper gibbering nothing but snake oil, finding rat holes in the Law and undermining the entire English language 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:21 | 1244003 3.7.77
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This time he means it.........

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:50 | 1243535 digitlman
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Crybaby!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:01 | 1243580 Id fight Gandhi
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Tax hikes should be on the table.

Top 1% is doingn pretty well. Why not tax them? They've already send all the jobs to chinamen they could so that old job scare tactic won't work.

Fix the fucking debt and dollar.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1243624 alexwest
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no way..
rich and superrich ( +100 mln) will leave country..
of course IRS will claim for money, who gives a shit..
it will take years to pin the guy..

I BET THE THE SUN THE WHOLE USA SYSTEM WILL GO DOWN MUCH SOONER in 2,3 years tops...

nada zilch zero IRS will get..

alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:10 | 1243649 serotonindumptruck
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I give it all a couple of more months max. The USD is being collapsed intentionally.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:59 | 1244149 MachoMan
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And rebuilt intentionally...  the money is made on the volatility, not nickel and diming every order...  who knows how many more cycles they get...  the tell is where the floor on commodities stays...  if gold keeps stair stepping upward each round, then you've got a timeline.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 14:10 | 1244177 youngman
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the bottom 53% are doing much better...they pay nothing...now that is living in high cotton....

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:18 | 1243679 redpill
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You can't realistically get them with an income tax.  They'll just hide it, or leave and take their income somewhere else.  The way you get them is to replace the income tax with a consumption tax.  That taxes their wealth, just not what they show as income.  It will also reward people on the lower end of the economic spectrum for saving their money instead of being encouraged to spend it as with the income tax.  Businesses and capital would come flowing back into the country instead of out of it.

Repeal the 16th Amendment.

fairtax.org

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:25 | 1243713 alexwest
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sorry pal, its bullshit..

consumption tax wont do notning .. why?????????
they're fuckign shopping/living around the world.
only WORLD WIDE AGREED CONSUPMTION TAX will help..
it wont happen , cause many countries make bundle on free tax trade/shopping ...

what you suggest is ASSET TAX.. NO MATTER WHAT RICH GUY DO, PAY 1-2-5% of YOUR ALL ASSETS( stocks/ housing/etc) EACH EVERY YEAR..

there're some countries in Europe who do that..
wont happen in USA either..

sorry, no way out
alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:28 | 1243731 Id fight Gandhi
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Simply raise cap gains taxes on anyone making more than 1 million a year.

Who else is going to pay for corporate welfare and unemployment. Nobody under the top 10% has any more money to piss around.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:46 | 1243834 alexwest
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so???????
they will leave USA,, move money into offshores and will trade stocks/bonds in asia/europe/EM

IRS dont have money / stuff to pin that kind of guys..
only drugs/insider trading /etc..

eventually yes,, but in 2,3 years all this whill end, so
best strategy for real rich guy to sell all , get physical (solver/gold) and stash away from IRS and get
new documents++ pretend to commit suicide..

alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:30 | 1243754 redpill
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You're delusional.  Tiffany's had a 9 percent gain in Q4 same store sales, and opened 15 new stores over the past year in the United States.  There's no problem with wealthy spending money domestically.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:42 | 1243811 alexwest
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well yeah... cause there's no consumption tax yet..

lets say exist consumtion tax 20-25%, so poor schmucs who buy 3-5.000 $ ring will stop buying, but REALLY RICH
GUYS WILL DO THAT IN EUROPE/ASIA.. thats it..
result Tiffany is bankrupt...

90% stuff rich buy is not mandatory, can be bought around the world.. we are not talking about food/drugs/etc we are talking about yachts/cars/ luxury tours/ airplanes/etc..

wise up
alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:44 | 1243823 Calculated_Risk
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plus you capture the black market economy.. Wanna buy 24" rims every month?! Be my guest. Gotta have the latest bling? Spend away!!!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:23 | 1243720 NOTW777
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right - give the bank robbers more $ to fix the theft problem

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:26 | 1243721 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Flat tax, it's time the dope dealers, hookers, pimps, illegals working for cash, etc, etc start paying ...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:55 | 1243537 HelluvaEngineer
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CRIMINAL BANKERS RESPOND: "LOLZ, WE OWNZ BOEHNER"

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:27 | 1243729 traderjoe
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+1

We fuck the bankers and the megas by repudiating the debt, ending the Fed, and issuing a Lincoln Greenback.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:51 | 1243538 digitlman
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Oh, and how about we do spending cuts so we don't *NEED* to raise the debt ceiling?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:52 | 1243540 Re-Discovery
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When we say $32 billion annual cuts we MEAN it this time!!!

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1243590 SoNH80
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Yes, let's squabble pointlessly over SIX hundred million in illusory cuts this time! That will show them moonbats!  -The Cincinnati Kid

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:52 | 1243542 Boilermaker
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I just shot coffee through my nose.

This was supposed to be funny, right?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:52 | 1243868 Re-Discovery
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I was joking (while I'm crying.)  Not sure about the other guy.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:55 | 1243544 Popo
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Boehner is the chamber orchestra on board the Titanic.   A bit of entertainment on our march to oblivion...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:29 | 1243747 Bob
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The dumbass is chugging champagne from the bottle while he courageously rallies the upper class to the lifeboats. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:56 | 1243551 HelluvaEngineer
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BOEHNER SAYS SINGLE PLY IN LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CONSTITUTES SUFFICIENT CUTS

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:59 | 1243912 krispkritter
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But insufficient to 'wipe' out the deficit...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:54 | 1243553 Temporis
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Wonder when we will have to start auctioning off our National Parks and Historic Landmarks.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:30 | 1243741 Janice
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Already done.  We went to Yellowstone & Glacier National Parks last year.  The park hotels were $160 per night & that was the very lowest price for a double bed.  As a family of four, we can no longer afford the park hotels.....primitive camping.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:57 | 1243554 LawsofPhysics
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Call the bluff.  The interest alone on the debt has become, and will become, a bigger problem.  Without some tax hikes the game is over for sure.  Fine with me, I have purchasing power.  Crash the fucking system already.

I wonder if "boner" will have a sudden "accident".  His puppet masters know the game must continue.  Why isn't he cooperating?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:22 | 1243707 trav7777
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He IS!!

The banksters have been liquified!  All the motherfuckers from PIMpCO to GS all got free fking cash from the Fed for their trash assets!

You think the FRB's balance sheet is REALLY $3T?  Oh yeah it's MARKED to 3 but what's the real worth?  Probably 1/3 of that because all the alphabet soup programs existed to put par value into the hands of banks in exchange for garbage.

So now that the banks have been relieved of their garbage assets, they FULLY expect everyone to PAY them principal plus interest on all the "loans" they conjured to everybody and their roles as PDs soaking up all the USG's deficits.

Read between the lines of PIMpCO's Gross...he is pissed at USTs why?  Because the yields are too low.  He wants coupons, he wants his money to "make money" by virtue of existing; he wants hamsters running on wheels and that productivity going to HIM and his pockets.

That is what bankers expect as their due for the favor they do for us in terms of letting us borrow the very money we require to have a functional trade economy.

The banksters fully want austerity for everybody but themselves.  They will keep that inflation and cheap credit, thank you very much

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:29 | 1243750 Muir
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+1

Been saying this for months.

Of course we probably disagree on the exact outcome but why quibble.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:37 | 1243775 Bob
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And thank you, trav. Well said.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:43 | 1243815 LawsofPhysics
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Yup.  Crash the system, crash it now.  The sooner we do, the sooner compensation finds its way back to people who are actually worth a shit.  deflation rewards the responsible, inflation rewards the central bankers.  Kill the cancer on our real economy (if there is any left), kill the entire financial system so I can deal more directly with my customers.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:58 | 1243894 baby_BLYTHE
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I agree. Let it crash and burn.

Like a Phoenix we again shall rise from the ashes anew.

I graduate college next year, I do not wish to spend my formative adult years living in a collapsed society with a police state and 95% taxation

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:38 | 1243794 Muir
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@LawsofPhysics

"Call the bluff.  The interest alone on the debt has become, and will become, a bigger problem.  Without some tax hikes the game is over for sure.  Fine with me, I have purchasing power.  Crash the fucking system already."

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True.

But.

THink of how this would affect the price of silver!

Oh, the Humanity!!

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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:57 | 1243555 Clorox Cowboy
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I'll tell you what's fully on the table.  Old people will take up arms if you touch SS or Medicaid.  Prepare to get your ass handed to you by roving bands of angry seniors.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:01 | 1243572 Temporis
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I can hardly wait for SS to fail.

Probably 1/10th the US pop. will be killed off in riots or by suicides.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1243583 glenlloyd
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say bye bye to medicare part D

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1243604 SoNH80
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Yes, they'll take up their arms off the handrests of their La-Z-Boys and shout fruitlessly at TPTB like the rest of us, then go home and watch "Antiques Roadshow" with a $6 bottle of domestic "Chardonnay"

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:17 | 1243685 cossack55
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Super easy to double-tap a fossil with a walker or even on a scooter.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:58 | 1243561 gordengeko
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Lets just keep on dancing til the music stops.  I'm thinking they double down and keep kicking the can because the mayans and all those ancient peeps might be right.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:28 | 1244034 serotonindumptruck
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The Mayan "long count" calendar did not translate accurately to the Gregorian calendar. The translation was flawed when it did not account for leap years. Over the course of 3,600 years, that does not translate to 12-21-12.

The "end" is coming THIS year.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 21:22 | 1246077 Bringin It
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GG - The original GG was terrific [not the movie guy, the ZH original].  So I was a bit miffed to see a new GG [you] move in on his space.  But I have to say ... you're pretty good too.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:56 | 1243563 alexwest
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yeah,,,
nothing off the table.. like all those so called cuts
which are not exactly cuts..

fuck the guy.. fuck system..

just imagine jsut for one year americans pay cash only, stopped working and paying taxes... of course you need savings..

alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:00 | 1243564 Problem Is
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"Orange Man-Tan" Bone-er vs. Barry "I gots Bin Laden" Soetoro
Stooge match for the ages...

Bone-er is slapping on more Orange Man Tan and is ready for battle against the lanky weak kneed bitch and Wall Street Puppet Obummer who will fold like a lawn chair at the first Bone-er huff n' puff...

Win-Win for Jamie & Lloyd--Lose-Lose for Me & You
It's all Stooge Theater...

Corporate owned governance has given these idiots their marching orders: more regulation to run small businesses out of business, more middle class taxes to pay for corporate, Wall Street TBTF WELFARE, strip all assets until there is no middle class...

In other words more ripoff, rinse, repeat...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1243596 LawsofPhysics
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Ha ha!  Yeah, whatever happened to the "we got Osama and we can prove it".  Now we get the "never mind" response from the talking heads.  All main stream media dropping the whole thing like a hot potato.   Now things get interesting.  You know the system is collapsing when the propaganda gets this bad.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:00 | 1243573 Gubbmint Cheese
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Suck it Boehner...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:58 | 1243577 Kina
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The bankers continually use both sides of politics to play out a circus to destract from their role in corrupting and owning the country. Usually something with an emotional hook to get the people interested.

 

It is just a show. The US wont default until the bankers say so and that wont be until they own everything and bankrupted each individual. Not quite there yet, a bit of hyperinflation may finish the job.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:58 | 1243578 Ferrari
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Make sure, whatever you do, not to touch the defense budget or that of the 2.5+ wars which account for half the planet's defense spending. Teachers, cops, passable roads, bridges, are for sissies anyhow.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 21:24 | 1246079 Bringin It
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I agree that restraining the MIC will be a problem.  Maybe the Osama Drama indicates the start of a the retreat?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:58 | 1243579 SheepDog-One
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'Boehner sez'...well Ive heard the shuck and jive many times before...lets see what Boehner doez.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:58 | 1243581 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Time to cut planned parenthood and social services.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:54 | 1243859 Vergeltung
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excellent idea, especially the former.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 14:05 | 1244165 GetZeeGold
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.........and the NEA.

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:01 | 1243586 bob_dabolina
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If the debt ceiling doesn't get raised say hello to $5 silver

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:02 | 1243594 Caveman93
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Dollar default = $5.00 silver how?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1243622 bob_dabolina
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I've done 3 posts on it.

Not raising the debt ceiling is NOT a default. In fact it is extremely dollar positive.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:43 | 1243805 MachoMan
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for how long?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:59 | 1243899 bob_dabolina
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I don't know, it's hard to tell. The situation would be very fluid. If I were to declare I knew how long I would be lying.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1243641 LeBalance
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Paper versus physical market divergence.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1243606 Temporis
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Your logic is completely illogical.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:15 | 1243671 Sancho Panza
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True, but his logic is close to valid, he just has the scenario backward.  If (and I'm not saying this is likely, but it is plausible) if monetary policymakers decide to stop printing while fiscal policymakers decide to continue spending, you will very quickly have a default of the Treasury but not a default of the Federal Reserve.  Rickards says markets are mispricing this phenomena because markets confuse sovereign debt with currency.  They are not the same thing.  If that were to play out, the value of the dollar would skyrocket amidst the greater depression debt implosion.  I don't know what policymakers will decide but I'm hedged for any scenario.  I wouldn't put it by the banksters to try something like that, something that no one expects.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:25 | 1243714 bob_dabolina
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If the debt ceiling does not raised than there won't be additional debt for the Fed to monetize so it strips them of their ability to create inflation via money printing.

If the debt ceiling is not raised than the creditors get paid principal + interest with tax revenue at the expense of government spending. This would immediately put dollars in short supply in very short order as government agencies would be clamoring to get their money (which would at this point be being used to pay creditors)

So it is NOT a default. What it is, is a cut in government spending. That's the bottom line.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:34 | 1243739 Sancho Panza
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True, but there is still a boatload of private real assets that Bernanke has said he will monetize.

$5 silver hinges on monetary policy, not fiscal policy.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:38 | 1243776 Sancho Panza
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We're not really arguing about the plausibility of $5 silver.  We just differ on the conditions sufficient to get to $5 silver.

$5 silver extremely unlikely anyway.  What would China do with their $3T of rolling treasury bills if they could buy silver for $5? 

$5 silver very very very unlikely.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:37 | 1244063 Urban Redneck
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$5 silver would value the entire 33M oz "inventory" of Comex at $165M, and the entire 334M oz inventory of SLV at $1.67B. 

Foreign central bank ambitions to exit dollar dependence are irreversible.  $5 physical silver will never happen because there would a wild CB scrum for available silver long before that price is reached. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 16:22 | 1244952 Sancho Panza
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Well now your assuming foreign central banks don't get toppled in the global USD-based debt implosion.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:02 | 1243608 SheepDog-One
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Who cares what silver is 'worth', when youre getting stabbed in the liver by a yuppie over a can of tuna?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:16 | 1243689 Sophist Economicus
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...or worse, by a tuna over can of yuppie!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1243617 LawsofPhysics
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Right, and a loaf of bread will cost you a couple ounces of physical silver.  Now how many people have physical silver again?  I do.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1243587 redarrow
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More Kabuki theater. Today its Boehners turn to be the artist. What a waste of time, it will be raised move on. Heh...if they did the bailouts they will do this too. No point is doing that and not doing this, after all now we are bailing out ourselves.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 15:34 | 1243633 Problem Is
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Kabuki Theater: EXACTLY!
But this time it's Bone-er that is the bitch in the dress, last time it was Obummer...

Because this time Barry Soetoro says: "I gots Bin Laden."

Your move Bone-er...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1243597 Dr. Porkchop
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No but bin laden is dead! A the wars can be cancelled inthe new era of peace! Wind the clock back to year 2000,the big bad wolf is dead!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1243615 SheepDog-One
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'Bin Laden is dead', only to make room for the NEW boogeyman after the next 9-11 soon to take place, make no mistake about it.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:21 | 1243705 cossack55
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If we do a reverse Contra deal and supply Quaddafi via Iran, he can be the new OBL.  He could be good for at least 2 years, 10 years if NATO is in charge.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1243598 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Obama actually extended the Bush tax cuts.  Don't forget that guys.  Oh and aslo he killed Osama Bin Laden last Sunday.  Don't forget that either, but don't worry the media will keep reminding you about that.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1243638 SheepDog-One
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Bin Laden has been dead for 8 years, everyone but dummies knows it, dont foget this announcement is only to make room for the brand new world bad guy after the next terror attacks soon to take place.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:11 | 1243651 LeBalance
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This post gets full Marx.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1243601 High Plains Drifter
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i have zero faith, zero...in this whole bunch inside the beltway. as far as i am concerned, they are all traitors to this nation.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:58 | 1243893 Vergeltung
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+1776

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:05 | 1243613 lunaticfringe
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Alex West is right.

If we all quit working, it would represent the single greatest "strike" in the history of man.

Our goverment would be completely FUBAR. I think a national walkout and take care of each other by eliminating the government (middle man)  is a wonderful idea.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:22 | 1243706 cossack55
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Where do I sign up?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:38 | 1243795 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Tell your boss to go fuck himself.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1243616 glenlloyd
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Cuts? I'll believe it when I see it. Seriously I believe nothing from any of them at all, it's just a faux argument between R & D. Every citizen in the country could tell them not to raise the debt ceiling and they would do it anyway.

None of them realize the magnitude of the problem that they enabled, do you really believe that now they understand that this is a huge problem? Not for one minute, they will continue to march down this same path until finally the ship sinks.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1243619 Gubbmint Cheese
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Green close today? Wow.. looking like it could happen.

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:10 | 1243661 alexwest
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yep seems so..

seems big rich guy from 3 letter agency bought all sp500 futures... :)))))))))

anyway... the longer fed intervenes the bigger crash will be..

alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:03 | 1243621 tony bonn
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boehner is so full of crap that he could be destroyed with an ex-lax tablet...not only will the debt ceiling be raised but there will not be a shred of spending cuts just like this last little budget fiasco provided less than 1b in spending cuts....

this is all theater for the little people...

he and obama should be tried for high crimes and misdemeanors....and don't get me started on barry's indonesian citizenship...

www.obamacrimes.com

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:06 | 1243623 tmosley
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Did his lips move as he said it?

If so, you know what that means.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1243628 digitlman
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Did the Down move 100 fucking points in the last hour?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1243631 Shock and Aweful
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If these fuckign idiots thing they can make any real cuts to the budget...debt....without ending the wars, cutting defense projects, and raising taxes...they are just plain fucking lying.

 

I say....screw it....let's just defaut now, tell the bankers to suck a dick because "we ain't paying you back"...and start printing our own...debt-free currency.

 

Who am I kidding?

The last two presidents who tried doing the debt free money....1864's "greeback"  (Lincoln" or 1963's Red-Seal "tresury note" (Kennedy) had those idea's "Shot" down by the bankers....

There aint gonna be any monetary change until there is NO other option but to scrap the entire plan and start over....

 

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:08 | 1243652 economessed
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<long sigh>  Can we default yet, or do we have to drag this on and on in a futile show of denial?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:13 | 1243664 Mr Sir
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Greece has a 23% VAT tax, a luxury tax, and just raised personal income taxes and guess what, revenues did not grow 1 for 1 with all of that. We have a spending problem which will never be solved until there is a failed treasury auction. Greece, Portugal, Ireland all made social entitlement changes AFTER they could no longer borrow. Also, taxing the wealthiest more does not raise $1.65 trillion of sustained annual revenue.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:15 | 1243686 alexwest
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yep.
there was funny movie on utube guy explained even if IRS will take all forbes 400 guys's all money
budget will be balanced for 1 fucking eyar only..

what next ????? its fucking outlays problem..
revenues will be 2.2-2.5 trln tops..
alx

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:15 | 1243666 docj
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Just the pre-planned "tough-talk" before the inevitable capitulation.

The Fed.Gov (much like their junior partners - the State.Govs) has precisely one tool in it's bag - the unfettered ability to spend Other People's Money - and they ain't a-gonna give that up until and unless someone takes it away from them.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:13 | 1243674 Josh Randall
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I hope Boehner turns on the Repubs and goes n.W.o., or signs with the Miami Heat next episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xlzLOZH5c

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:16 | 1243675 JW n FL
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Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic Bill to End tax Breaks for Moving U.S. Jobs Offshore! http://goo.gl/6qhnK

 


»

The Republicans’ Political Coup — Taking Taxes Off The Table

 

 

Senate WANTS to Hide Campaign Contribution Monies from Government Military Contractors using the Argument of Free Speech LMFAO!! http://goo.gl/35V9l

 

50,000 Manufacturing Jobs a Month since 2001 have LEFT! The United States for China! BECAUSE OF REPUBLICANS! http://goo.gl/6qhnK

 


Much corporate political spending stays hidden http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money-politics-survey-20110424,0,1545345,full.story

 

 

Corporations OWN! America! Corporations OWN! Government!! “We the People” are OWNED!! “Fall of the Republic” HQ Movie http://goo.gl/EwUsC

 

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:21 | 1243712 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely.  Revolution is the only solution at this point.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:41 | 1243809 Bugman82
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Screwed from the left and right..........and our only hope, superman, just renounced his citizenship. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:16 | 1243678 earnulf
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I agree with TD, "nothing off the table" should mean exactly that, NOTHING!   Everything has to be in play or this is just another shouting match of "he did it, no he did it."

A 1% jump in the interest rate to be paid on treasuries will add 100 billion dollars in interest costs for the nation, yeah, let's see ya cut that ya bohner!

Of course among the discretionary funding that could be cut is Non-Security Agencies, that costs us 401 Billion a year.   Then we could cut the Security agencies and save another 682 Billion.    Wow, I just saved a Trillion dollars by eliminating completely every government office and the department of Defense!  (Go you Republicans, GO!)

Believe it or not, Defense, all 530 Billion dollars, is a "discretionary" fund according to the government.    So if everything is on the table......

Yeah I know, I only cut about 1.1 Trillion and still have to find another 2-300 billion to completely eliminate the debt.    But hey, at least there are some prime pieces of real estate throughout the nation that no longer are needed!

(Sarcasm, the opiate of the masses)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:16 | 1243692 samsara
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Let's see if he has the balls to cut $500 billion off the defense(ie War)  budget?

Problem Solved.   

How about cutting about 50,000+   Xe (PKA Blackwater) et al 'Consultants"  in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:33 | 1243758 JLee2027
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Let's see if he has the balls to cut $500 billion off the defense(ie War)  budget?

Problem Solved.   

Since the deficit is 3 times larger, that's not exactly "problem solved".  

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 14:54 | 1244426 nufio
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Even if we cut defence by 500B, its not all just spent on weapons and profits to companies making weapons. I suspect a significant portiion of this goes to the population via employment in the forces, and vast majority of companies that support the pentagon, the universities through the GI bill and a whole lot of other industries.

The reason why politicians still support defense spending is because a lot of communities within ameria still have jobs only because of this spending. This also acts as an additional stimulus program.The main reason for this suspport is not because of patriotism but because  the livelihood of a lot of people depend on this money. This lobby is not very differnt from the public teachers union.

 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:17 | 1243693 Don Birnam
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"Why is it that no one believes me ? When I say 'real spending cuts,' Zero Hedge laughs at me. When I mention 'budget reforms,' the Press guffaws. What's a Speaker to do ? Hit '60 Minutes' again -- that's it ! This time, no wifey -- and being such an emotionally involved guy, to be on the safe side, a monogrammed hanky. Looks more adult."

http://nehucari.vacau.com/gallery/Boehner-crying.jpg

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 15:44 | 1244662 Problem Is
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Bone-er looks like the dick that always cheats on his golf score at the country club... And don't cry... It makes the Man-Tan run like orange mascara...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:25 | 1243702 Cone of Uncertainty
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Boner, go take your thumb, insert up your balloon knot, and rotate accordingly, you asshat crying little biatch.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:23 | 1243717 cranky-old-geezer
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What NONSENSE.

It's going to be 100 TRILLION eventually.

Then 200 TRILLION.

And keep RIGHT ON GOING.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:24 | 1243724 Mr Sir
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You know what higher taxes lead to? Sustained higher spending. Then as spending rises, during the next crisis when revenues fall, they raise taxes again to sustain even higher spending. Then you spend and tax yourself all the way into the economic trash bin where Greece is right now. John is right, spending cuts, but no tax increases. As long as we borrow there will be no cuts because Americans don't support cutting Medicare or Social Security....we will support Medicaid cuts cause a majority of us don't use that service....politicians are a reflection of us, if we support strong cuts, they'd cut. Until then we will go the way of Greece and when it happens here we will say, "I've seen this movie, it's an old remake."

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:28 | 1243732 Chippewa Partners
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Did you hear the groans coming from the military industrial complex when they heard OBL was blown away?

It's all about oil, minerals, campaign contributions and keeping the long grey line gainfully ripping off the American taxpayer.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:31 | 1243745 dizzyfingers
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"Graphic of the Month as far as I'm concerned (and I see all of them), here's GOOD's transparency graphic of how your tax dollars are spent": http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2011/04/19/good-heres-how-your-taxes-are-spent/

  • Joshua M Brown
  • April 19th, 2011
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ&feature=related

    EAT THE RICH!!

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:13 | 1243969 LawsofPhysics
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    FYI - The rich are already beggining to eat each other.  Pass the popcorn.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:33 | 1243756 dizzyfingers
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    "Graphic of the Month as far as I'm concerned (and I see all of them), here's GOOD's transparency graphic of how your tax dollars are spent": http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2011/04/19/good-heres-how-your-taxes-are-spent/

  • Joshua M Brown
  • April 19th, 2011
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ&feature=related

    EAT THE RICH!!

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:35 | 1243770 vote_libertaria...
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    My fearless prediction....there won't be one penny of spending cuts until there is a bond panic.

     

    10 yr yield over 10% and S+P below 700 = spending cuts

     

    They don't see panic or danger now, it's still political games to them.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:45 | 1243812 economessed
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    Fear is one hell of a motivator, but panic triggers the lizard brain to act.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:46 | 1243817 fonestar
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    Oooh!  He sounds tough!  I bet he will save they day all right, he just has to summon the ghosts of John Wayne and Charles Bronson.  They will show up with guns blazing, kill inflation, save the greenback, teach the developing nations their place in the world, rescue the bond markets, inflate the greenback.....

     

    oh, and don't forget Netflix!  Especially Netflix!

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:48 | 1243829 Seasmoke
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    not falling for him to shove another bone up my ass again

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:54 | 1243881 Sudden Debt
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    If they would just say that every government worker can ONLY drink 10 coffees a day, they'll save 40 billion a month easily!

     

     

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:56 | 1243890 ratpack1968
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    How about a "BITCHEZ" use tax. The tax shall be imposed on those who use the term "bitchez" on ZH.   

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:58 | 1243910 alexwest
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    :)))))))
    what about biiiiiitchez, or bitcccccchez
    or in upper case BITCHEZ...

    make sure all is covered... those bloggers are bloody bastards..

    alx

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:06 | 1243944 Sunshine n Lollipops
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    Lemme guess: "defense" spending is not on the table.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:10 | 1243952 graneros
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    Make no mistake Boehner is gonna go along with raising the debt ceiling. Bet every dime you own on that. Just as there will be a QE3, 4, 5... There is no way out now without default and no one wants that on their watch so just keep kicking the can down the road. The only question in my mind is; when do we run out of road?

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:16 | 1243982 Franken_Stein
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    You will notice it.

    It's gonna feel pretty bumpy.

    Time to cushion your buttocks.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:17 | 1243976 gunsmoke011
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    Does this Fairytale come with refreshments? Let me guess - a Balanced Budget Amendment - which of course will take 5 years to work its way through the system -- IF AT ALL.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:24 | 1243998 Franken_Stein
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    The Politicians in Congress have declared war on the American people.

     

    They are definitely going to cut your Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

     

    Even when all these programs are totally separate budget-wise and paid for.

    They will just steal the money that you've paid into these programs over the years.

     

    They have no shame !

     

    And don't you think they will ever cut defense or discretionary spending.

    Hell no !

    Because that would seriously jeopardize America's role as the leading military superpower and world policeman no. 1.

     

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:19 | 1243999 aerial view
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    Ooh, he sounds serious now; I'm sure any significant spending cuts will take effect 10 years from now; hence another ploy to distract us while debt ceiling is raised again. U.S. has become the master of the "Wimpy" argument: I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for spending more today.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:24 | 1244008 Gold 36000
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    Vote Gold 36000 for President because I will go to Washington, D.C. and burn the fucker down.  It will be epic.  We can return to a Federal Republic.  We will return to saying "the United States are" instead of "the United States is."  I have the most serious and realistic plan to solve the problem of all the political parties.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:27 | 1244009 Vincent Vega
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    beat me to it with the Wimpy/hamburger analogy...spot on.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:25 | 1244021 bugs_
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    boehner going to cut like Lorena Bobbitt

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:26 | 1244028 Kassandra
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    It's pretty simple. When people aren't working, they aren't paying taxes. The unemployment situation in this country is paralleled only by the first Great Depression. The only difference this time is citizens are receiving SNAP and any other safety net benefits they can get. 25 families making 40k a year pay in more tax per year than one millionaire. Then there is what is spent on military...another can of worms.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:35 | 1244048 astartes09
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    Looks like we got ourselves a good old fashioned Mexican stand-off.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:36 | 1244055 Cole Younger
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    LOL...without raising taxes. When the 2 trillion in revenue is exactly what statutory spending requires, I doubt he can cut anything. What social programs is he going to cut? What special interest groups are going to offered to the lions? None....

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 14:10 | 1244182 nah
    nah's picture

    end result jaw bohner goes to the tea party and is like you have to do it

    .

    BITCHEZ

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 14:55 | 1244414 AldoHux_IV
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    Boehner should just shut up.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 15:49 | 1244714 kevinearick
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    Education, Income Property, & Children

    We had an agreement with the legacy families. Unless children chose of their own volition to become economic slaves or to join the ascension structure of masters, they were to be left alone until they were 18, to learn democracy as they see fit, to balance the naturally imploding legacy control economy, which provides the legacy families with control of the asset side of the balance sheet, in return for their historical investments.

    Through circulation, all real investment comes from expanding the horizon of democracy, in quantum leaps. Sustainable income, minus all the BS associated with the accounting fountain, is the balance. Elevator mechanics count their generations in 3s and farmers by 7s. Enterprise architects count theirs by increasing prime numbers. If you want the short-term money, by all means, go get it. Architects are focused on passing their genes to the next set of architects. That is their imperative. Currencies come and go, quite frequently, relative to democratic evolution.

    History is a stack function, with multiple dimensions, like time and direction. Farmers build the stack by acquiring land just outside the periphery of urbanization and swap it out, moving outward with growth. The intelligent ones ensure that their workers have all their basic needs met, plus an environment that delivers peace of mind, maximizing sustainability, NPV. In a structural contraction, devolution, the process is reversed (to plant the next democratic seed), the land is cleared, and the system is reset. Sheppard your property accordingly.  Most of the agricultural land in the empire is toast, due to single-season, steroid crop seeding.

    Each kid is different, running through phases at their own pace. Sometimes they are quite logical and enjoy math. Sometimes they are quite emotional and enjoy art. Sometimes they are quite contemplative and enjoy literature. The trick to education is to let them work at their own pace in conjunction with the phase shift in which they are operating. And there is no more important learning than democracy, which is learned on the playground.

    If you have a student that can do a year’s worth of classroom work in a month, in order to get back out on the playground, you have a budding enterprise architect on your hands. If they want to play, let them play, and be sure to provide all the materials necessary to organize themselves into different sizes and types of teams. They will naturally rotate in and out of different activities.

    The problem, of course, is that most people choose to herd up like sheep, and are preyed upon accordingly, and if they see what appears to sheep outside the fence, they systematically start screaming their lungs out, providing the predators with radar. Misery loves company. Don’t do that.

    A global economy absolutely requires a portfolio of independently operating economies, trading mutually beneficial surpluses, along the environmental lines provided by the planet in conjunction with the universe, which requires independent thinkers. The legacy families know that they must ignore the independent thinkers to survive, but they cannot afford the example of ignoring the herd’s plea to capture and restrain them. The middle class must remain semi-neutral for the electron to pass through the circuit and feed the system, or it implodes.

    Implosion is not a problem for the enterprise architects; it’s a source of quantum energy, but it generally is a problem for everyone else, as all participants increasingly seek to control one another in a dying system of scarcity, creating a breeding reactor of decreasing volume and increasing pressure, until it goes boom. Enterprise architecture is all about employing that boom to create more effective outcomes, Democracy.

    California’s problem is not direct democracy. California’s problem is the disastrous output of its education system, which results in co-dependence by rote learning, wherein 1 + 1 consistently becomes less than 2, loading up the chamber, and placing a gun at its own head.  Excessive sexist replication across the global IC chip through the resulting compliance prototype has done the rest. Forcing kids onto the replication assembly line at birth is California’s, and everyone else’s, problem.

    Thu, 05/05/2011 - 20:33 | 1245931 indio007
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    If people really want to erase a huge chunk of the national debt all they have to do is endorse their FRN's and cancel the Treasuries liablity by scratching out the Sec. endorsement.

    This will also eliminate your income tax.

     

    No one redeems the bills anyway so accepting liability for "payment" of the note is of little consequence to the endorser.

    Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!