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tom a taxpayer's picture

How about Hammer Time mob dance: beginning 20 seconds into video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzN4633mpI

Zero Govt's picture

it's like musical chairs only when the music stops Dem's and Rep's join hands together, honour amoung thieves and all that, and kick the can

the Reps can't stop their parasitical sponsors feeding at the trough of productive society and nor can the Dems.. both have a Gentlemens Agreement (honour amongst thieves and all that) they don't knock chunks out of each others budgets for each others parasites.. hence stalemate, budget cut impasse, and the spending goes on and on and on . . . 

men far too wise to ever join the thieving stinking cackle of politics have been predicting for years Washington will always kick the can because politicians are too spineless and always take the 'politically expedient' (easiest) option.. this is a play unfolding in all the old cliches and farce and right on script for sure

Boehner is as predictible and pathetic a man as any actor clown of political theatre ever has been, as is Obumma

One day soon the music is going to stop and their combined size 19 clown boots are not going to be big enough for a can now too large and filled with debt to kick anymore

your choice is to sit on your lazy arses and wait for that day of ultimate destruction to arrive or bring that day fast-forward before the debt spirals ever futher. What can you do to to play your part, the one other than the pretence of 'powerless victims' you kid yourselves with? Simply Stop Paying Your Taxes

..until then laugh all you want at this toxic farce, but the custard pies flying are hitting you lot in the faces too as you're funding these dirty rotten clowns wages and the entire parasitical theatre that is Govt through your tax payments

if you think they're stupid get a load of you lot paying the ticket prices

Zero Tax = Zero Govt

darkstar7646's picture

Hope you are very well-armed, sir. You're going to kill off 20-40% of the US population straight away, and there's no reason for them not to take some more with them!

You don't get it -- many of these programs are solely designed to prevent people from stealing weapons, breaking down your door, killing you, raping your spouse, and taking everything.

Thing is: You're seeing it, in some smaller forms, already with the flash-mob robbers.

Here's the kicker: There finally are enough people in this country who openly wish to exterminate the unproductive, come what may afterward -- that's part of the essence of the Tea Party movement, or at least what it's become now.

Zero Govt's picture

Darkstar

The Tea Party, like Ron Paul, are dummer than mud. They want a slimmed down Govt wrapped around a piece of paper called The Consitution. Well they've got a big Govt wrapped around that piece of paper, plus 1,000 other pieces of paper (Laws) and where has it got 'em? ..nowhere

That's because the problem with Govt is it is a mononoply (of authority) in society. You do not solve a problem caused by a monopoly system by making the monoply smaller. America has a serious problem, like Europe, with problem solving. Every new group of problem solvers are just as retarded as the last

Every 'problem' of centering decision-making is 'solved' by Ron Paul replacing it with another self-centered decision making structure. The actual problem is politicians are the problem. There's never in the history of this stiking career path been a good one. You think Ron Paul is the white knight? I think he stinks like all the rest.

I donpt want to be 'Saved' by somone else. I can live my own life thanks. I'm an adult. You want Ron Paul to save you, or maybe you're holding out for Jesus Christ? You want Govt to provide you with Police to save you from criminals that a rarer than hens teeth while the structure you support kills and impoverishes (robs) more people than all the crimnls combined in history.  

You want someone to represent you? Why don't you fuking grow up and be an adult and do it yourself. 

You're concerned about 40% of the populace being State-dependents? Er, isn't the State dependency the problem? Why are so many Americans unemployed? Have you thought it's because of the systematic destruction of wealth by Govt? Had all those military-industrial budgets and social security and healthcare budgets not been pissed away (wealth destruction) and instead left in peoples pockets for more productive uses do you think you'd have more unemployed or less???

Who do you think is throttling free markets, destroying efficiency and destroying all the wealth? There is your answer to unemployment

"The Quality of Thinking that Govt Us Here, is not the Quality of Thinking Needed to Get Us Out" (Einstein)

You are living proof of a brain living (pickled) in a box. As is Pro-State Ron Pauls. Yes he has free (competitive) market ideals on money and banking. But he's still sold on the State, a central authority. He promotes the competition mechanism on one hand and the monopolist State institutiion on the other! 

A monopoly of authroity in society is the very enemy of freedom and competition. It's like water and oil, they do not mix. This is why the State has always been the enemy of the people and freedom. Please try to resolve your problems by adressing the systemic problems, not by rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

darkstar7646's picture

Let me see if I'm reading you right:

The only way to solve unemployment is to reduce the unemployed, since the State you hate so much is what keeps them alive?

Zero Govt's picture

the way to resolve unemployment is to put productive wealth to best use

the cause of unemployment is the destruction of productive wealth, the biggest destroyer being Govt

are you getting this Economics 101 class now?

 

darkstar7646's picture

There is no such thing as "productive wealth" in this country anymore without a complete reset and a demolition of all that is unproductive.

It's like the "One Dollar Of Capital" I read on Karl Denninger's blog -- there isn't one dollar of unencumbered capital in this entire country at this point!

You can't put productive wealth to any use without ensuring it'll actually get into the position where it actually physically can, and good luck getting to work when the benefits stop for the rest!

Zero Govt's picture

again you've no idea where wealth (productivity) comes from because like your liberal pickled, mass-media garbage, State (un)educated brain nobodies informed you 

Productivity (wealth) comes from 3 sources: Energy (oil, gas, coal), Agriculture (farming plants, forests, livestock and fishing) and Resources (industrial production of Earths elements such as iron ore, copper etc)

America has all 3 sources of mans wealth coming out of its ears...  the reason it's not spewing out of all parts of America (as it was 100 yrs ago when the State was only 2% of GDP) is firstly because the free (productive) market is being strangled by the US Govt and its parasite cartels and secondly because wealth has been systematically destroyed by the US Govt, sucked out of productive peoples/businesses pockets, over years and decades and not invested in productive enterprises

the unemployment cues are a direct product of the US Govts destructive efforts and parasitical consumption of private wealth

Remove the State and you remove all barriers to the free (productive) market working and all the protection rackets rigged by the US Govt for the cartels and monopolists. America is highly productive, just get the bunch of fuking monkeys off its back and see what happens

Elliott Eldrich's picture

Close but no cigar...

There are three ways to create wealth: You can mine it out of the ground, you can grow it (or harvest that which has already grown,) and you can manufacture wealth by adding value to that which has been mined, grown or harvested. The problem is that we were conned into thinking that we could have $50 VCR's without it costing us something significant, like our manufacturing base. There's plenty of third-world countries that export raw resources, while Japan has few natural resources. Which is richer? Why?

And what country is the one that has the biggest surplus of wealth now? China. The country that became "the manufacturing floor of the world" is now rapidly becoming the wealthiest country in the world. Gee, who could have seen that coming?

You want to put the unemployed to work? You want to have the US create wealth again? Bring back tariffs, get rid of every treaty that gives our jobs away, and you'll see a new era of growth and opportunity for America.

darkstar7646's picture

One, I don't think he wants the unemployed to work -- I think he would rather have the violent reset (him being an anarchist and all), and hope he survives it. Good luck to him!

The problem is that you'd have to have a fairly full reset (including a Jubilee, new currency, and some way to keep order until/if things restabilize) to get any of this to work. As things stand now, no one is going to be able to buy anything of value that these new jobs would make!

One of the main reasons China is now the #1 country in the world and we are headed to an Oriental Century.

Zero Govt's picture

Elliott

you appear to have copied my 3 sources of wealth, removed 1 (energy) making 2 only!! Close but no cigar (in fact a stub in the eye for removing energy and not copying my list verbatim). BTW what happened to Energy as a wealth sector?

next hair to split with you is you don't add wealth by "adding value". Take 3 base agri priducts such as corn, meat and potatoe and manufacture it into a Cornish Pasty. You are not adding wealth, you are adding cost (ie. base materials $2.00 into a pasty retailed at $5.00). The pasty is then consumed, its $2 of wealth produced costing the consumer $5)

That's different to 1 unti of iron ore and 1 unit of energy made into a Combine Harvester which is a productive tool, saving the farmer days of physical work. The machine increases agri' productivity (less time and energy consumed to harvest more).

The management-speak "adding value" is a weasel word for adding margin (profits). Generally found providing illusory value (ie. branding) to the consumer in my opinion. But adding value as i demonstrated above is not adding wealth, it's adding cost to the consumer.

For example a Hyundai micro car costs $9k and a top brand like Mini costs $14k. We can argue the merits that they're not the same car but in truth its pretty similar. The consumer is paying through the nose (50% more). But that is the consumers choice and their wealth to spend or fritter away on what they please. But don't think for a minute the added value of the Mini or any other item is added wealth. It ain't 

Yes China is heading toward being the wealthiest because of manufacturing (industrialisation) the same steps for all nations to 'arrive'. But you blinker the debate to think because one nation is doing well others must surely lose. BS

Wealth creation is limitless. It is limited by knowledge and creativity both of which are limitless

American producitivity has been destroyed by Govt, its cartels and elite parasitical families. The producitivity that would be released without Govt strangling American enterprise is limitless. So too the worlds.

Finally you think the resolution to Americas problems (caused by too much State interference) is more State interference (tariffs and import controls). You have learnt zero about Govt tariffs which have all been harmful not helpful to industry and the country itself. The free market regulates itself (for Free). Govt regulation is always vandalism by any measure.

If you want to see tariffs at work study the USSR and how that 'helped' local industry compete with the freer West (hint: it didn't). Take a look at the Russian car industry versus the Wests over the same period and see if Russia created more jobs orproduced a better product because of tariffs protecting their industry from competition

The free market works and regulates itself (for free). The State is a sorry fuking joke from every angle. You cannot better the free market, period.

Lowest Common Denominator's picture

I think your model of anarchism is hopelessly flawed and short sighted.  You've seized on the notion that a government by the people, for the people and of the people is "a sorry fucking joke".  But, after drowning that government in the proverbial bathtub, I believe you'd be aghast to find that unfettered corporate might-makes-right fascism would quickly reduce you and your's to a decidedly serflike status.  If we're gonna drown the government, we gotta take down the authoritarian corporations first.  Getting this order of engagment right is very important, and will decide what kind of world our children will live in.

darkstar7646's picture

The problem is that the violence which would come at some point in the equation would (in his opinion) flush much of the non-productiveness out of the system.

Whether he's right or he's wrong is yet to be really determined.

darkstar7646's picture

Energy, Ag, and Resources, huh?

This is where you have to leave your standard Econ and understand that you live in an entirely different world than you were taught.

This is one of the reasons the nationalization of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac was so devastating -- it blew up the ability to continue to "roll" the situation. You have to understand that there has to be someplace that you can even comprehend that the debt could be paid back for it to be even marketable. That place, until Fannie/Freddie, was the derivatives market and a total exposure of about $1,000,000,000,000,000.

Blow that all up, and the last three years are the result.

America has exceedingly little of much of those three parts unless you enslave the labor to change the mechanics by which the first and second are done, and somehow are able to get what you need of the third from the rest of the world. "Full Spectrum Dominance", did PNAC call it? It was a _resource grab_!

Remove the State, and you basically (and there are those in this country who would like to see this) enslave the populace for about two bowls of gruel and one hour of American Idol every day.

worms eye view's picture

 

I junked you because your simplistic view is insulting and the ad hominem attacks show your ignorance.  If you like the Tea Party and Ron Paul or not they are trying to change the course of this country within the system.  If a different viewpoint upsets you then that is great!  Welcome to America..or what's left of it.  Our first amendment gives you, the TP, and the Honorable RP the right to voice an opinion.  Juvenile attacks help the dancing with the....crowd.

Now to your comments:

Paragraph one: ad hominem attack followed by unspecified and undefined pieces of paper.  If you are an American then these papers were enacted by YOUR elected representatives, be they dead or alive, 1913 or 2011.

Paragraph two:  Please explain how leadership can be defined as anything but a monopoly.  The whole point of a leader is to take charge and make decisions for those they lead.  Perhaps this concept is difficult to understand for some so here so here is an easy way to understand it:  Leaders lead, followers follow.  If you don't like the leaders, replace them.

Paragraph three:  ad hominem attack and opinion (good job on the opinion except you give no reason for the reader to believe you).

Para....whatever, I've wasted enough time on you.  If you found ZH you can't be completely brain dead.  Think, question, think again, and then respond.  Or just have another drink and troll on.

That's how a worm sees it.

Totin's picture

"There finally are enough people in this country who openly wish to exterminate the unproductive, come what may afterward -- that's part of the essence of the Tea Party movement, or at least what it's become now."

BS. Stop watching PMSNBC and stop drinking the Kos Kool Aid. As hardwaorking taxpayers we would like to wean you off of the government tit and have you become productive members of society.

darkstar7646's picture

And for those who are just deemed too violent or crazy or disabled to continue?

Your solution is all-but-certainly Logan's Run, but as a "viability test" -- if you aren't "productive" by the age of X, see ya.

Let's put it this way: The last job I had, I had two Federal agents escort me out when I was fired, because my supervisor was certain I was going to kill her. I made no threat to her -- when I walked out of the office on my final shift before they changed the locks, I was angry at myself for doing the same thing for which she fired another employee the same day!

If you truly believe that, Totin, you're going to have to have me shot. Simple -- as -- that.

hedgeless_horseman's picture

As hardwaorking taxpayers we would like to wean you off of the government tit and have you become productive members of society.

I praise your sanity, Sir.  I pray your vision comes to fruition.

darkstar7646's picture

If it does, welcome to USA, population somewhere between 180-240 million. Probably fewer than that.

worms eye view's picture

Excellent, now you are getting the picture.  Now look up carrying capacity.  Factor in unsustainable increases in carrying capacity, and water consumption (make things easy and just research the USA).  Now factor in how many people actually want to work for a living, not a wealthy existence, but a living.  Have you ever worked a farm?  Would you if you or your family’s survival depended on it?  Instead of buying Ipads and flashy cars maybe you can convince all your non-wage earner friends to focus on reality.

Conrad Murray's picture

And after you've looked all that up, check out UN Agenda 21 and Executive Order 13575.

darkstar7646's picture

WEW: The reality, frankly, is that more than a few of us (and I include myself in that equation) never should've been born in the first place.

slowsmile's picture

 

Zero Govt gets it, whereas darkstar7646 doesn't. If you carry on kicking the goddamn can, supporting the corporatists and financialists and blabbing politics, this will create an even bigger bust for America later on. darkstR7646 cries that the government is only trying to maintain law and order and that we need this.

But when it gets to the final stage, people will perhaps realize that they've not only been lied to and robbed -- they've also been duped bigtime. At that point, people will no longer put their hand over their hearts and pleg allegiance to the US Government. Instead, these confused people will have clear vision and will suddenly know and realize that their own patriotism towards government has necessarily morphed into simple personal and desperate family survival.

And that is also the moment when the government will become an overt dictatorship.

 

Zero Govt's picture

Slowsmile

don't "wait" for the Govt to become a dictatorship... it is designed to be a dictatorship right from the Get-Go. It is a monopoly power structure, a monopoly of authority in society. It is systematically identical to a Dictatorship, from the same blueprint, designed by the same (monopolists) hand

as ive said above the problem in Western society is a problem of problem solving and thinking. We go from one monopoly authority debacle (US healthcare) and someone thinks setting up another monopoly administered authority is the 'solution'.

Nobody can think out of the box, the blinkered liberal belief we need to rest our authority as citizens in some bunch of old farts behind desks in ivory towers. When one ivory tower collapses the cretins come along and erect another in its place 

Ron Paul (bless him) falls into one of my 2 categories for politicians, 'The Idealist' (nice ideas but dim) category. He's learnt the free market ideals but thinks (he doesnt think actually) a smaller State is also part of the solution wrapped around another of his idealistic loves, The Constitution. No monopoly (like Govt) wrapped around any piece of paper will ever produce anything but crap. Monopolies produce crap from all orifices, be they private or public monopolies.

Paul is long idealism but short thinking. He's right competition and the free market is the way to economic performance and wealth but still pushes a monopoly institution like Govt for everything else. He just hasn't 'got it' and maybe never will 

Only a free society and free markets work on all problems to find effective productive solutions.. Paul thinks the State adhering to a piece of paper will work.. he's beyond delusional, he already has a State and a piece of paper and it doe not work and never will 

darkstar7646's picture

You're right, and FDR realized it when he created the New Deal (else the Bonus Army, et. al, would've overthrown him) and Nixon did when he expanded many of the programs (else the riots in the 60's would've probably had us out to lunch before he was ousted from office).

Let me put it this way: You have a state right now where about a third of the entire 7-12 population has been thrown out of school (out of school suspension/expelled) at least once. (Texas -- report was in the NYT Tuesday), and double that number if you toss in in-school suspensions.

The cheese stops, you lose order instantaneously. If the August 3 checks are disrupted, you will have COG by August 4 or 5. Take it from a person who has seen what many of these people will do -- they'll rob you without a second freaking thought!

Zero Govt's picture

Darkstar

the biggest lie ever told was we need Govt. 

Here's the truth: society is a self-reguating mechanism. No Govt, governing, Police, Law, regulators required. Zippo. Society can sort itself out (it does if you take time to clear our liberal hed-fuked heads of ideology and just look around at day-to-day reality.

Don't believe me? Look outside at nature. No Govt there. A flock of birds, herd of cattle, hill of ants all are 'lawless' societies by Liberal academic dogma definition. But in reality they interact and behave exactly as humans behave together. We are afterall animals, bred from the same genetic stock

We have never needed a central authority or other adults sitting behind desks to tell us how to live. All progress, economic and social, have been private endeavours. Govt comes along years later, cocks its leg, pisses on it to marker its territory and sets up a Dept for it

Every problem we have in society now is a product of Govt meddling and destruction. Look at the shambles of US property, the bankrupt toxic mess of healthcare, the unemplyment cues. These are all a direct product of Govts decade long sucking of productive wealth out of society to piss down the toilet on unproductive idealogoy (defence, socialism etc)

The solution to our problems is not more Govt but no Govt... if there's a brief kick-off in social anger in the change phase from a rotten rigged monopolised society to a free society so be it. Let's get cracking 

wisefool's picture

If I did not know better, I'd say you were the inspiration for the character Al Swearengen from HBOs series deadwood. One of the last places the government had to fight to take hold in the Continental USA.

Because nobody owns any part of this earth, there has to be some guiding principles, and they do have to be administered, otherwise we get right back to feudalism for exactly 25 years Price Waterhouse Coopers, Moody's, S&P, Nobel Peace Prizes, etc.

then another Khan shows up and undoes all the "king making".

Rock on brother. I can appreciated bailing straw for the good doctor even when the sun ain't shining. He'd help you or your kin in the middle of the night too.

Limited government. Sound Money. Fair taxation. Debt is fine, but it must be paid back.

Zero Govt's picture

Wisefool

"..there has to be some guiding priniciples.." how are your Laws doing? The more Laws (Rules) produced the more lawless society is becoming (see US Govt who produces the most rules also trampling over the most rules; illegal wars; covering up fraud and lies etc etc). How is you Constitution doing? If it's anything like the EU Constitution it's also being trampled over.

You are the ultimate sucker (as the sheeple are). You see the failure of all the Rules around you and what do you want? Another set of rules. No "guiding principles" as you say. Tell me if you want Copper only to be mined between 9am and 5pm and I want to mine 24/7 what are you going to do? Afterall you want to apply one of your rules on other people. Welcome to the furst step on the rung of Totalitarism (socialism, Marxism, fascism, Statism)

You piss on freedom and free society/markets because you just can't resist being a little Hitler yourself, however mild (liberal) you think you are. You want society to reflect your own values. Why should any adult be nannied by your rules? Why canpt large sectors of society mind their own fuking business, get on with their own lives, and let a free society have 100 different ways of skinning a cat rather than one farty old dog insist there's Only One Way, my way? 

You are part of the (liberal) cancer killing society and free markets. You always think there's a solution in a new set of Rules when every set of Rules in history has never ever worked (fact). In fact the more rules there are the more lawless society is. Too many people like yourself are delusional because you cannot deal with reality. That reality is rules do not work and have never worked, only freedom works

Mind your own business

darkstar7646's picture

Actually, it's because the laws are inconsistently applied (I could be killed tomorrow, and, if the person who did it had enough standing in society, they'd be lauded for it!) and that we are hopelessly unable to deal with much more than lone-attacker scenarios. (Which see the streets of Chicago.)

If I have your brand of freedom, I have freedom to eliminate those I do not wish to continue to breathe. You don't want that.

Conrad Murray's picture

Look out everyone! The big bad internet tough girl is gonna kill off all her enemies if totalitarianism doesn't reign supreme.

darkstar7646's picture

OK, say we do get rid of government?

How do you stop me from killing you for what you have? (And, then, so as we are without loss of generality, how do you stop someone else from doing the same??)

You're basically an anarchist -- and there's a reason that many who have called themselves such have a bad name: because their aims are actually to "f*ck sh*t up".

Society, in no way, is a self-regulating mechanism, and what has been going on over the course of the last couple of years indicates why -- society DESIRES DISORDER, especially if it's to the benefit of those it deifies.

You had better be very well armed and "get cracking" first. You might want to start with someone like me.

Zero Govt's picture

Darkstar

again i'd say look at reality (much more often) and less of your hed-fuked liberal brain filled with delusions and in fact lies of what Govt is and what it does. Look at facts more, not fantasy or the fabrications officals come out with to justify their continued existence. So now in answer the questions you pose, which you could answer yourself as i've done just by looking at reality all around and not the snake oil officials lay down for you to swallow;

"How do you stop me from killing you for what you have? (And, then, so as we are without loss of generality, how do you stop someone else from doing the same??" Nothing's stoping you toping me or me topping you except our own inate animal instincts we're part of a hurd. Nothing is stopping either of us and we're under YOUR Govt system. That's the system that lies and says the Law and State Police will protect you. Prevention of crime is an absolute bollocks. No Law or Police has ever prevented any crime from happening. You are not protected. Period.

If someone wants to top someone they can, Govt is no cure for violence, how could it be it's the most vilent and well-armed organism on the planet. The only thing any system can do AFTER the crime is what's very loosely called 'justice'. Justice is nothing more honourable than simple retribution. Your wonderful Judicial System should be called The Retribution & Revenge System. And how good is it at that? Well it's the most pompous, convuleted, time-consuming sack of crap you could ever imagine. Like all Western Institutions it has bloated into a sack of self-important pomp, an industry only keen to enrich itself and award itself status. It really is a terribly fatuous and expensive way to deliver revenge

How would my free society 'justice' system work then? Well Numero Uno it's FREE. No senile old Judges, no armies of useless paper pushing court crones. No teams of fee earning snakes (lawyers) who if they know you've money in your account will bat too and fro with the opposing legal team until they empty your wealth into their own pockets (lawyers have zero interest in justice, only the fee earning and reputational side of your case)

Charles Dickens (Novelist and Law Court Reporter), "The business of English Law is to promotoe the business of English Law" 

If you want to see how my absolutely free to run free society system works (which it does better than your tragically pompous, overly complex and expensive Govt revenge system) take a look out your window at nature.. a flock of birds, a herd of buffalo. We behave in the same way, we have the exact same inherent social rules as nature. We can sort matters out all by ourselves. We don't need no pile of pompous expensive useless crap to do our bidding (which it doesn't do anyway)

You say society is not as a i claim a "self regulating mechanism"... how did we get here post-2 million years without the Police and Govt? The Police was effectively invented out of thin air 100 years ago. Until then people/society did it themselves (ie. it was free). 

Take a look once again at reality: most private business have their own Police. Clubs, warehouses. offices, shopping malls etc have their own security. Why? Because your beloved State Police are useless garbage. Useless if you report a crime but brilliant at robbing you with petty fines. The State is not protector of you against criminals (its justification of its job it is bloody useless at), it robs you and the rest of the herd with petty pickpocketing.

Whe you have a car accident you sort it out with the other person via your insurance companies. Job done. No ttnot enough for the State, it wants to take you to court and deliver you extra retribution and rob (fine) you. What way does the State adding costs and hysteria to an accident help anywhere or any thing?

I'm not an anarchist or want to fuk sh*t up. I want order, social order. The most destructive organism in society is not criminals but the State. It destroys the most wealth, breaks the most Laws (anarchy) carries out the most crimnal behaviour, including war, theft of peoples money on a massive scale, abuses peoples freedom, ruins business, creates the most havoc

Stop looking around the world with the blinkers the liberals gave you and the BS ideas the State gave you. Take a loo at actual mechanical reality and how it plays out. How many civilians have criminals killed this year? Now compare that to the death toll of the State illegal foreign wars. How much money have the criminal freternity robbed this year? Now compare that to the robbery (tax) of the State

Whe you look at those numbers in the cold light of day, not some delusional liberal idealogical dream world your head is pickled in, come back for a  chat

darkstar7646's picture

Strongly disagree with much of this.

With the government, there's at least something out there which is a barrier between us and animalistic conduct. In fact, quite the opposite: Now that the government is effectively beginning to fail, you are seeing (at this point smaller) "herds" enacting violence which the failing government (and it's assignees) are, to varying degrees, powerless to stop.

You're right about the justice system, but the problem is that, at least with a government in place, people know the revenge/retribution is there -- and with an increasing number of people knowing that is about the ONLY thing stopping the population from such violence...

I mean, my stand on much of this is, if you believe that the debt ceiling and the like should not be raised, GOOD LUCK GETTING TO WORK WHEN THE CHECKS STOP. I've heard one characterization say that the cities would openly become free-fire zones within hours. THIS is what happens when government fails and you fall to anarchy.

And no, your free justice system is not free at all. Cost of guns and ammo, number one. Number two, you basically live in fear of just about everyone else. Real "free" system there.

How did we get here without police and a government? We didn't! Every real societal system before us had just that -- maybe not one as we know it, but it had one just the same!

Actually, you have the reach of security backwards -- the reason it is continuing to reach is the exact animalistic behavior government is designed to prevent. The problem is, for certain people, it is actually PROMOTING it.

I'll tell you what: Compare that death toll of the State in illegal foreign wars to the death toll here if/when the government fails... I assure you, all commerce goes full-stop in your scenario.

whstlblwr's picture

"Don't believe me? Look outside at nature. No Govt there. "

OK, can't take idiot blather anymore. Yes, look outside at nature, in flock you see leader who most competitive who get best seed, best mate. All other base behavior on leader and follow leader lead. Nature have rule of law. Nature IS laws and government.

I think this blog full of uneducated, who not study laws of nature or man or history. Best thing for you uneducated prejudice is to get education you learn importance of law, of VOTING. The exploiters like better you think voting not important so you stay at home spinning in crazy head and building reserves to steal or arrest you.

Chuck Walla's picture

Wonderful analysis. It only works when evrybody gets a taste, no favorites.  All noses in.

trav7777's picture

can someone synopsize?  Was it that Obama was :45 late to the meeting just one too many times?

snowball777's picture

Give it a rest, skinhead.

rajat_bhatia's picture

You guys, the indian metals exchange opens up on saturday, what do you guys suggest i should do? i hold Copper Shorts as of now...

victor82's picture

If it's gold...buy it.

If it's paper... run like a Jew from Heydrich.

Tortfeasor's picture

When did Boehner turn black and start pitching for Allstate.  Oh, nvm...

koaj's picture

I say fuck you Jobu. I do it myself

Shell Game's picture

Is that you Pedro Cerrano?

Rahm's picture

Too high.  Too high.  What do you mean it's too high?

Shell Game's picture

How's your wife and my kids?

j0nx's picture

haha i loved that line.

lolmao500's picture

He still said ``we need to raise the debt ceiling``...

What about YOU DON'T RAISE IT.

Boehner will cave in like the sellout he is.

Sudden Debt's picture

SSSTTTTT.... I'm watching the screenplay.