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Bomb Explodes At JP Morgan Office In Athens - No One Hurt

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Greek police say a bomb exploded Tuesday evening outside an office of
JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) in Athens, The Associated Press reports. No one was
hurt, the AP says. The bomb went off after a warning call to an Athens
newspaper. From Dow Jones.

 

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Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:32 | 232678 Mongo
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What goes around comes around

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:49 | 232858 Anonymous
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kill yourself plz thanks

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:06 | 232910 velobabe
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The Wall Street bombing occurred at 12:01 p.m. on September 16, 1920, in the Financial District of New York City. The blast killed 38 and seriously injured 143. It was more deadly than the bombing of the Los Angeles Times building in 1910 and remained the deadliest bomb attack on U.S. soil until the Bath School bombings in Bath Township, Michigan seven years later.

At noon, a wagon passed by lunchtime crowds on Wall Street in New York City and stopped across the street from the headquarters of the J.P. Morgan bank at 23 Wall Street, on the Financial District's busiest corner. Inside, 100 pounds (45 kg) of dynamite with 500 pounds (230 kg) of heavy, cast-iron sash weights exploded in a timer-set detonation, sending the slugs tearing through the air. The horse and wagon were blasted into small fragments.

The 38 victims, most of whom died within moments of the blast, were mostly young and worked as messengers, stenographers, clerks and brokers. It caused over $2 million in property damage and wrecked most of the interior spaces of the Morgan building.

someone was pissed†

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:18 | 232934 dark pools of soros
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was the horse promised 70 virgins?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:28 | 232955 Hephasteus
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No he was promised to have it all forgotten becasue everyone loves bankers so much we don't have to teach these things in history class.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:58 | 233022 35Pete
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LMFAO!!!!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 19:59 | 233244 velobabe
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The investigation had quickly stalled when none of the victims turned out to be the driver of the wagon. Though the horse was newly shod, investigators could not locate the stable responsible for the work. When the blacksmith was located in October, he could offer the police little information.

In 1944, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, successor to the BOI, performed a final investigation and concluded by saying its agents had explored the involvement of many radical groups, "such as the Union of Russian Workers, the I.W.W., Communist, etc....and from the result of the investigations to date it would appear that none of the aforementioned organizations had any hand in the matter and that the explosion was the work of either Italian anarchists or Italian terrorists."

The actual perpetrators of the 1920 bombing were never discovered. There was no warning and the bomb was detonated at the height of business hours.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:49 | 233289 WaterWings
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BTW, awesome, awesome contribution. Quite apropos. +5

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 00:53 | 233353 velobabe
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why cause your italiano or a romance language specker?

baby where r u.

i am for sure high but i thought you were European

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 12:36 | 234088 WaterWings
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Yeah, just a speaker. Lived in Brazil for a while and caught the romance language bug. You can translate English into any of them easily with the Google translator, but you can tell the difference when someone writes without proper punctuation and uses abbreviations that natives don't think twice about:

dude what's up: cara como ta vc? = Cara, como está você.

Google is getting scary good. They must have a lot of natives helping them divine all the dialects, too. Certain people want to know what everyone is saying - how else do you control people when you can't read thoughts yet?

AH, EU TÔ MALUCO!

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 14:08 | 234280 velobabe
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your sexy.

i am painfully inept at all of the above. when i go foreign i try to get by on my looks.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 15:59 | 234423 WaterWings
Wed, 02/17/2010 - 22:24 | 234974 velobabe
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+ a great sense of humor. how did we express ourselves before youtube?

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 01:00 | 233600 JR
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Ditto. My +5 makes it a 10.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:57 | 233020 velobabe
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your quick, i can't stop laughing out loud.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:49 | 232994 Anonymous
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unfortunately, as with most violent responses (physical or economic) to injustices (real or perceived), those lowest on the totem pole bear most of the suffering.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:51 | 233192 primus
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I had the displeasure of watching some 'reality' TV last night. There is a show called 'Operation: Repo'. It chronicles a small, minority family that operates a repossesion business in So Cal and Jerry Springer type 'drama' breaks out. The young lady doing this particular repossesion got hot coffee thown on her.

It could be all a show, but I thought the same thing. It isn't Haaawvard educated banksters that ruined everything that have to go out a re-possess property on the front lines, its the working poor, the proles that get that duty. Meanwhile, morons like John Thain, after bankrupting his company gets another multi-million dollar position.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 23:33 | 233489 moneymutt
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same goes for drug business, war business etc...the real crooks arranging it all, conscious of all the strategic evil they plot and who often have options for a good life that do not involve being such a horrid blood sucking parasite and yet still chose to such away, those types rarely suffer when people get made or fight back...the high risk, low reward street/trench guy, that is desperately doing something they likely would avoid if they had more options, is the one that pays everytime....

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 08:27 | 233786 velobabe
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now where do you reside?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:23 | 233154 Anonymous
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That date is almost exactly in the middle of the forgotten depression of 1920. Things were pretty bad at the time.

http://mises.org/daily/3788

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:36 | 232682 Anonymous
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Let's hope the AP is better at math now. I'd hate to find out that they counted "zero" wrong.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:37 | 232684 MsCreant
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For those about to rock....

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:49 | 232860 Mr. Anonymous
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We salute you!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:11 | 232923 Marley
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"Don't fight it, son! Confess quickly, or you'll jeopardize your credit rating." - Brazil

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:17 | 232932 economessed
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After all, Greece is just like Albania except for the fancy finances.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:35 | 232968 Hephasteus
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If you look at the ISDA you'll clearly see tons and tons of attention devoted to defining default. That's becasue it used to be easy for them to beat up huge corporations because they don't have printing presses. So now they have to find a way to get countries to buckle to debt. The euro will be easy. It's got all the rules and regulations in place. The us and the pound can't default because they can print. So it will simply be a stupid game of everyone who has a printing press and got into the game not knowing what it was REALLY all about is fucked.

The only way they can get real live sovereing countries with printing presses to actually default and supposedly admit they lost and give up becasue they lost is to use these derivitaves and default swaps. About halfway through the euro crash everyone will launch a massive counter attack against these CDS's by telling every lawyer and court and army that wants to enforce them to go fuck themselves with something sharp and preferable infectious.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:46 | 233183 Oracle of Kypseli
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The Greeks have always fought fire with fire and lead the way in civilization including poetry.

Could this be poetic justice then?

Americans may be able to put their heads down and follow the black sheep, but not the Greeks. They will go down like the three hundred.

Who is next?

The Calamari Cartel?

Did you know that Kissinger will never step foot in Greece? He knows them.

 

 

   

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:21 | 232938 Gold...Bitches
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only with my heavy metals

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:53 | 233007 Miles Kendig
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So lock up your daughter

And lock up your wife

Lock up your back door

And run for your life

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:37 | 232685 Hammer59
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How do you say "Project Mayhem" in Greek?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:51 | 232703 assumptionblindness
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αντ?ρα ?ργου

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:52 | 232865 Missing_Link
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Seriously, folks.  What happened in Athens was terrorism.  Criticize JPM all you like, but let's not go encouraging this sort of thing.  Not even in jest.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:01 | 232901 A Nanny Moose
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I would have to agree. It is the path to a real police state.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:09 | 233048 faustian bargain
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That path has already been laid out.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:41 | 233092 Hephasteus
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The cops become the robbers creating the new robber cops. It's the circle of life. Everyone keeps trying to create the perfect unstopable cop and perfect unkillable solider to put an end to the circle. See ya in the theater. Universal Soldier or RoboCop. Both the same movie just told as a lie to mask their true purpose.

 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:06 | 232913 agrotera
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HEAR-HEAR Missing_Link!!!!!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:23 | 232940 dark pools of soros
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do you work for the banks??  yes, criticize is all anyone should do as they keep their chains on and submit to their masters...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:28 | 232956 THE DORK OF CORK
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I personally have too much to lose so I will not engage in violence but historically the only real change comes after a bout of violence - everything else is just candyfloss

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:56 | 233018 Miles Kendig
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Having lost everything, my very life excepted what I have learned is that violence only begets more violence.  Unfortunately, this is an expected outcome when the leadership of society does all it can to emasculate the rule of law.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:33 | 233086 THE DORK OF CORK
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Where are the Jacksons , De Gaulles ,Kennedys to assert some power over these creatures - they are giving young people no choice but to resort to violence.

I agree with you that this will beget chaos but but........

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:47 | 232990 Stranger
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Literally speaking, since there were no casualties, this was vandalism, not terrorism.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:52 | 233005 THE DORK OF CORK
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Lets not split hairs - I believe there was a half hour warning which is short enough for something to go wrong in translation and if they were amateurs then the bomb could have gone off at any time.

JPM is effectively a branch of the US government and a attack on it will be seen to be a attack on the US state

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:11 | 233051 Stranger
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Europeans have been phoning-in bombs since phones were invented. They have it down to an art by now.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:22 | 233069 THE DORK OF CORK
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There was some mistakes if you want to believe that in Northern Ireland ,some involving the bomber - and Catholics generally do not believe in the 70 virgins thingy so you can discount suicide.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 22:09 | 233390 DaveyJones
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can the Catholics even round up 70 virgins?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 23:47 | 233519 MsCreant
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Ya gotta get em before they become alter boys.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 01:45 | 233633 faustian bargain
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'alter'...i saw that.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:31 | 233160 35Pete
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An attack on one of the King's soldiers is an attack on the King himself!

Ohh wait, I think I have that reversed. The king was bombed, not the US government, right? 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:49 | 233188 THE DORK OF CORK
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It is a Janus hybrid creature so I can understand your confusion.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:56 | 233016 Missing_Link
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Doesn't matter.  If someone had been there, they'd have died.  It was foul and execrable and there's no excuse for it.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:12 | 233052 faustian bargain
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I totally agree that this was terrorism. I am not going to encourage it. However I am going to watch it, and point out that I think more is to come, and that what we're going to see is a fairly predictable reaction to decisions that have already been made by the powers that be.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:32 | 233163 35Pete
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+1

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:22 | 233071 Anonymous
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Actually the fundamental terrorism was already perpetrated by the bankers. It's nothing eye-catching, like a a bomb going off. They prefer the slower, less traceable route of cutting off funds and watching the vulnerable in the populace expire needlessly. The shit hit the fan, but who threw the shit to begin with?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 19:03 | 233207 MsCreant
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And there it is.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 22:12 | 233395 DaveyJones
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true, I'd rather blow up than starve slowly

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:58 | 233202 merehuman
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You name it. We all should let them rape us some more .  Because theres no way for the common man to fight back except to lay back and enjoy it.

calls and letters...ignored

protest...............ignored

violent protest.....Martial law

I dont see any way for J6pack to go forward.

Garden, 1 year food supply,seeds, fertilizer, lead, silver and gold. Dont wait.

Frankly its quite awful to have said all this and wish it werent so. 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 19:45 | 233238 Anonymous
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Bullshit! This was not terrorism. It was a bombing targeting a bank, and good for them.

They called in advance to let people know. They should be given medals.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 02:02 | 233646 Anonymous
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Terrorism is the way that the oppressed people fight back. Get a life missing_link.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 04:01 | 233699 Anonymous
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Was JPM's financial terrorism any more or less hurtful?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:38 | 232687 Ripped Chunk
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Perhaps some people there feel that JP Morgan is somehow responsible for their nations woes?

Wonder if more will follow their lead?

 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:17 | 232773 merehuman
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expect the same in the USA sooner or later. We are all getting hungry, frustrated in our job search and pissed at the criminal powers that control our currency at the cost of our nation.

 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 21:47 | 233354 merehuman
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its a good link to Zeitgeist/final cut.

2 hours long but worth it. After this its hard to not be angry as a human.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 19:13 | 233215 Anonymous
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no and it's funny reading all those replies

Kiddie bombs like this one go off in Athens ALL THE TIME for the past 35 years. Yes they seem to prefer American companies, but the fact that it's JP Morgan today has nothing to do with the current economic situation.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:40 | 232688 Stu
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whatever happened to Project Mayhem...they are MIA ?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:08 | 232744 Hammer59
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Google    Project Mayhem Research......They havent blogged in some time. Their reporting was getting progressively deep into the corruption of the powers that be, and then....poof!  All gone.

 

MIA.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:27 | 232799 thomasstreet
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too bad to hear

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:02 | 233035 Frank Owen
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I don't know where he is but he is missed for sure.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:21 | 233149 Anonymous
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So the conspiracy theorist in me is out...

He vanished right about the time this story came out. I wonder who else took advantage of the break-in?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html

Project Mayhem used gmail.

Read this:

http://blog.pgp.com/index.php/2010/01/how-to-prevent-people-peeking-at-y...

WTF is with the helicopter outside...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:25 | 232796 BlackBeard
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MIB - Men in Black.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:43 | 232691 Charley
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OMG! Al Greco!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:45 | 232695 economessed
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Cause and effect?  Or just random events of violence?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:46 | 232696 three chord sloth
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Huh. A nation of thieves is mad at other thieves 'cause they're better at it. I hope they both lose... this is a fight between bad guys and other bad guys. No white hats in the bunch.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:55 | 232698 subqtaneous
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OPA!

 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:48 | 232700 ratava
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Lol i knew CIA did false flags but JPM started as well?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:58 | 232885 buzzsaw99
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+1

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:48 | 232701 djb1953
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This is what happens when you steal people into poverty.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:08 | 232747 thomasstreet
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this was probably a warning

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:51 | 232704 primus
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Coming to a retail banking branch near you!

We can all expect more of this sort of thing as the 20th century power structure crumbles.

All the 'usual suspects' will put in an appearence. Violence - political, class warfare - starvation and poverty.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:11 | 232757 thomasstreet
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poverty has been around forever and nothing will ever change that

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:16 | 232769 Hammer59
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Starvation and povert?  Yes, indeed.

Class warfare?  Already finished. The rich won. Game over.

Violence/anarchy/rebellion?   Doubt that. It's a population too easily placated by crumbs from the rich man's plate, American Idol, professional sports, etc.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:31 | 232815 Spastica Rex
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+1

 

Soma, baby.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:08 | 232915 Scarecrow
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Add in intergenerational warfare and intergenerational theft. The baby boomers are stealing from the next generation to fund their retirements after their squanerous spending on McMansions.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 00:09 | 233543 Marley
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And we call for the three great stimulants
Of the exhausted ones
Artifice, brutality and innocence
Artifice and innocence

- Joni Mitchell the three great stimulants

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:54 | 232711 suteibu
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At least those pissed-off government unionized employees were smart enough not to blow up their own offices.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:54 | 232712 carbonmutant
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If this was a Greek idea they should have send the message to the Kalmari that got them into this hole.

This event may be related to something else...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:57 | 232717 MsCreant
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I was wondering if there was another deal we don't know about yet...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:02 | 232726 carbonmutant
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The media hasn't been covering what JP Morgan was up to in Greece.

Maybe they were moving in on someone else's (cough Goldman's cough) turf.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:01 | 232730 suteibu
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JPM is merely a surrogate.  The rest of the world knows to beware the awesome POWER of the SQUID!!!!!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:11 | 232758 tpberg7
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Is this a clear case of Squid Pro Quo?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:36 | 233168 Oracle of Kypseli
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The calamari cartel

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:12 | 232754 DaveyJones
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"JPMorgan has been important in the past but is being shunned by the new government over a controversy centered on the sale of a structured bond in 2007 to a Greek pension fund, under the previous conservative government. JPMorgan denied any wrongdoing and repaid the funds. The socialist government last week announced it was reopening an investigation into the scandal"  http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/53bbbd40-0c42-11df-8b81-00144feabdc0.html

maybe the squid did it to deflect

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:54 | 232713 Wynn
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Does Goldman have an office in Athens?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:59 | 232721 Postal
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That's what I'm wondering...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:12 | 232759 Leo Kolivakis
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Not that I know of or else I'd apply and fire all of them...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:56 | 232878 Jewelsnorth
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Probably known as the CIA Station Office.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:19 | 232935 Hephasteus
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Or the closest military base.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:09 | 233050 Anonymous
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look for Goldman to take out outrageous 'Dead peasants' insurance policies on the employees... and then blow it up themselves.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:58 | 232719 THE DORK OF CORK
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Could elements within the Greek Military establishment decide to fire a warning shot ?

Any ideas people , Leo any thoughts

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:01 | 232731 agrotera
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Zeus?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:13 | 232764 Leo Kolivakis
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Read my comment below.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:59 | 232723 thomasstreet
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i bet the fbi is all over this thread

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:02 | 232733 carbonmutant
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Wrong agency...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:10 | 232753 fuu
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I posted in the JPM bombing thread and all I got was a visit from the black helicopters.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:44 | 232847 Postal
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At least your call-sign isn't "Postal." And yes, that is my official, commander-anointed, military call-sign. Something about my stress handling ability...

Actually, mine is one of the better ones. Plus, I like it. :)

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:04 | 232907 cougar_w
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But they never explained why they wouldn't let you join the EOD team.

j/k

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:25 | 232945 Postal
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LOL. Funny. Actually, during my first tour, one of the (former) EOD officers tried to get me to join. I would have liked to have acquired the knowledge, but that whole business of being locked in a room for 12+ hrs a day to learn how to arm/disarm bombs didn't appeal to me. Plus a minimum three-year EOD tour. :(

But you're correct: Not many offers like that lately. :)

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:05 | 232740 Anonymous
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surprised we haven't seen more of this

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:08 | 232745 bugs_
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Dumb.  Expect more dumb.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:10 | 232752 Leo Kolivakis
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In all likelihood, this is a random act of violence, probably by some young hooligans. The only terrorist group in Greece that was feared was November 17th, but most of their top guys were caught. I doubt they had anything to do with this, but expect more "anarchists" to take to the streets in protest.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:13 | 232765 THE DORK OF CORK
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The type of explosives used should tell if it was young hooligans or a more professional outfit.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:27 | 232798 sgt_doom
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You do realize, of course, one can actually drive to Greece, or take a ferry, train or plane?

It could be any number of organizations or individuals, could be a harried housewife, pissed off for the usual reasons.

Could be the friendly neighborhood anarchist or hobbyist bombmaker.

But definitely not a random act of violence, K.

Definitely not....

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:28 | 232957 dark pools of soros
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PMS Bomber?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:35 | 232827 faustian bargain
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Right. Expect more "randomness". Think about that a little more please.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:41 | 232840 MsCreant
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Food for thought from Chaos Theory. Inside chaos, is order. They call it a "strange attractor." Change initial conditions, you change the shape of the strange attractor. There can be no perfect prediction, but there is a constellation of movement in the data points that cluster around bounded parameters.

My question would be, are initial conditions changing?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:17 | 232931 cougar_w
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Not sure where this is at. The underlying mechanisms are uncoupling and unwinding, the wheels are coming off. There are no initial conditions because there is no obvious place to say "start here". This whole clusterfrack is an ongoing phase change. Conditions right now are just the initial conditions for something that will precipitate tomorrow. And tomorrow precipitates the day after that. Rolling destruction.

We're off the edge of the map now. The models won't run out here. The phase space is looking for it's center and not finding it. But it will find it and then everything will snap into place like a jigsaw puzzle assembling itself.

It will be a type of order we're not accustomed to dealing with.

It might be disorderly order. It might not support things in a stable way. It might have attractors that act like singularities that devour information and spew entropy.

We've been here before. There was nowhere to hide. Much was lost.

cougar

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:51 | 232999 dark pools of soros
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also factor in moral decay and sudden realizations of hopelessness

 

those crumbling indicators create domino/herd mentalities..    if someone who is close to the point of stealing gets robbed themselves..  etc etc

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:16 | 233103 Rusty Shorts
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Wanna see a pissed off Vietnam Vet who's tired of the shit.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df6_1266257013

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 18:49 | 233189 Anonymous
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We'll see more of that as the pricks start showing whose side they are really on: the People, or tyranny.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 19:20 | 233221 Rainman
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If that copper was LAPD, the dude would have been DWD....dropped while dancing. A shame that rural cop was a bad shot. RIP. 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:20 | 233259 WaterWings
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And that he kept shooting back when a SWAT team could have handled it later. What an idiot. He cried uncle and then decided he couldn't get enough. What I want to know is who fired the first shot, and what he had been pulled over for in the first place. When was the last time an officer asked you to approach his vehicle. Strange. Very strange.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:43 | 233279 Rusty Shorts
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The cop shot first, then the Vet waited till the cop had emptied his magazine. then he rushed him.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:57 | 233300 WaterWings
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We have on one hand those that honor freedom and The Constitution, and on the other your usual shithead that can't appreciate someone having a bad day. If some guy were dancing around like that I wouldn't be shouting the same order over and over again. It's time to talk, man to man. Maybe the vet was on something, but a rattlesnake gives plenty of warning.

Which is why Benjamin Franklin considered it the mascot of the joined colonies:

http://sln.fi.edu/qa99/musing3/index.html

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 23:28 | 233485 35Pete
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That cop was doing his job and did nothing that I would call inappropriate. 

And he was killed by a nutjob. 

Folks, not all cops are bad. In fact, I dare say that most of them are decent folks. 

As far as I'm concerned, this officer was murdered in the line of duty. 

I understand how pissed off some are regarding police brutality, the police state, and the militarization of law enforcement. But don't allow your passions to paint with a broad brush. 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 23:58 | 233530 MsCreant
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Some of the cops I know of will side with the people, or just go home and take care of their families. The one that trained me to shoot... gotta laugh... that guy will not "step to" just cause the militarized police state says to.

Makes me want to go back to him for more training.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 23:27 | 233487 Anonymous
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it happened right around the time of the LTCM demolition.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:59 | 232891 Anonymous
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"The only terrorist group in Greece..."

There's that one other one: the Citizens whom have been fucked by the American Mafia...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:10 | 232755 Going Loco
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I think it is disgraceful that anyone should try and bomb a bunch of investment banksters. They should be shot.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:32 | 232819 Anonymous
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+25 (gold today)

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:50 | 232861 cougar_w
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Indeed. Bombing is far too inefficient. The direct approach is always best, I say.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:08 | 232917 MsCreant
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Better chance of not hitting the innocents, I agree.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 17:02 | 233037 Miles Kendig
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Once folks are in the mix define an innocent please...

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 00:00 | 233533 MsCreant
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I hear you, even kids get used in war. I guess I will cling to it any way and say minute by minute you gotta make that call. I'll go with it that a bomb is more likely to hit an innocent, than a bullet. Range and kill power.

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 02:07 | 233649 Miles Kendig
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Until recently we have been looking at the ravages of financial mayhem.  This mayhem may well be getting ready to cross over into the realm of social expressions of physical mayhem.  If or when it does there will be more than expressions of wealth getting damaged or destroyed.  So goes an economy built upon destructive destruction.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:09 | 232920 A Nanny Moose
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too much collateral damage.

Light a banker a fire keep him warm for the night....

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:59 | 233302 WaterWings
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Recently, on a post a number of days ago, a few different methods of painful death were proposed. My favorite was a tire and gasoline. 

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 01:53 | 233638 faustian bargain
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'necklacing'

Wed, 02/17/2010 - 02:09 | 233651 Anonymous
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Maybe an investment banker bombed his own building to drive up the price of gold.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:16 | 232768 John McCloy
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And the financials rally in support of this better than expected populist revolt.

King George: It is but a mere Stamp Act. These loyalists will be of no burden.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:17 | 232771 SteveNYC
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Funny how the Europeans blow up the people that are screwing them. Americans just seem to take it, roll over, lie down, play dead.....

Much better conditioned people this side of the pond, very obedient. All of those television chanels have done wonders for the powers that be.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:23 | 232779 DaveyJones
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they have a thousand years of corruption on us. After a while, it kinda gets to you

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:24 | 232789 Postal
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Yes, but if we "blew up" everybody who is screwing us, there wouldn't be anybody left...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:34 | 232824 MsCreant
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Why am I laughing so damn hard!!

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:29 | 232959 Ripped Chunk
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 Go, Postal

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:24 | 232790 thomasstreet
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thats cuz Europe is essentially a welfare continent & they have much more lax penal system. There's less consequences. European pison is much nicer than american prison.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:31 | 232813 Quantum Noise
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In the West, probably... in the East... probably not.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 15:27 | 232803 Hammer59
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This side of the pond is populated with soft, undisciplined, fat ignorant people who are spoiled rotten.

They have never known hunger, poverty, or seen battle unlike the Europeons (not a typo).

The man on the street knows not a star in the sky, but will follow the man on the white horse.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 16:45 | 232986 dnarby
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Not really.  Americans (that's regular, civilian Americans) do whatever they can possibly think of before resorting to violence.

It's when they run out of options that they lose their shit, and usually in a big way.

The way things are going it looks like we will get to that point sooner than later...  NOT good...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 20:24 | 233262 WaterWings
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+1

The crazies always go first...then the pissed off people with no options left start getting cranky. The people rise when a gov't ignores the symptoms - this diaper needed changing a long time ago.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 22:32 | 233420 merehuman
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I completely agree with you, Hammer. So i guess i get junked too. Hurah

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