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Boston Properties' Mort Zuckerman Obliterates Barack Obama
Media and real estate tycoon Mort Zuckerman, who recently admitted he helped write Obama's speeches in the past, has come out blazing with easily the most damning missive of the president and his legacy to date. Mort joins such other distinguished and notable CEOs as Steve Wynn to openly blast the administration and its policies. In the meantime, the president has surely not made many new friends in the executive offices of the E&P space. Before all is said and done, look for letters such as the one attached to become a daily occurrence.
Obama Is Barely Treading Water (first posted in US News)
By Mort Zuckerman
The hope that fired up the election of Barack Obama has flickered
out, leaving a national mood of despair and disappointment. Americans
are dispirited over how wrong things are and uncertain they can be made
right again. Hope may have been a quick breakfast, but it has proved a
poor supper. A year and a half ago Obama was walking on water. Today he
is barely treading water. Then, his soaring rhetoric enraptured the
nation. Today, his speeches cannot lift him past a 45 percent approval
rating.
There is a widespread feeling that the government doesn't work, that
it is incapable of solving America's problems. Americans are fed up with
Washington, fed up with Wall Street, fed up with the necessary but
ill-conceived stimulus program, fed up with the misdirected healthcare
program, and with pretty much everything else. They are outraged and
feel that the system is not a level playing field, but is tilted against
them. The millions of unemployed feel abandoned by the president, by
the Democratic Congress, and by the Republicans.
The American people wanted change, and who could blame them? But now
there is no change they can believe in. Sixty-two percent believe we are
headed in the wrong direction—a record during this administration. All
the polls indicate that anti-Washington, anti-incumbent sentiment is
greater than it has been in many years. For the first time, Obama's
disapproval rating has topped his approval rating. In a recent CBS News
poll, there is a meager 15 percent approval rating for Congress. In all
polls, voters who call themselves independents have swung against the
administration and against incumbents.
Even some in Obama's base have turned, with 17 percent of Democrats
disapproving of his job performance. Even more telling is the excitement
gap. Only 44 percent of those who voted for him express high interest
in this year's elections. That's a 38-point drop from 2008. By contrast,
71 percent of those who voted Republican last time express high
interest in the midterm elections, above the level at this stage in
2008. And these are the people who vote.
Republicans are benefiting not because they have a credible or
popular program—they don't—but because they are not Democrats. In a
recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, nearly two thirds of those who
favor Republican control of Congress say they are motivated primarily by
opposition to Obama and Democratic policy. Disapproval of Congress is
so widespread, a recent Gallup poll suggests, that by a margin of almost
two to one, Americans would rather vote for a candidate with no
experience than for an incumbent. Throw the bums out is the mood. How
could this have happened so quickly?
The fundamental problem is starkly simple: jobs and the deepening
fear among the public that the American dream is vanishing before their
eyes. The economy's erratic improvement has helped Wall Street but has
brought little support to Main Street. Some 6.8 million people have been
unemployed in the last year for six months or longer. Their valuable
skills are at risk, affecting their economic productivity for years to
come. Add to this despairing army the large number of those only
partially employed and those who have given up their search for work,
and we have cumulative totals in the tens of millions.
Many people who joined the middle class, especially those who joined
in the last few years, have now fallen back. It's not over yet. Millions
cannot make minimum payments on their credit cards, or are in default
or foreclosure on their mortgages, or are on food stamps. Well over
100,000 people file for bankruptcy every month. Some 3 million
homeowners are estimated to face foreclosure this year, on top of 2.8
million last year. Millions of homes are located next to or near a
foreclosed home, and it is the latter that may determine the price of
all the homes on the street. There have been dramatically sharp declines
in home equity, representing cumulative losses in the trillions of
dollars in what has long been the largest asset on the average American
family's balance sheet. Most of those who lost their homes are
hard-working, middle-class Americans who had lost their jobs. Now many
have to use credit cards to pay for essentials and make ends meet, and
they are running out of credit. Another $5 trillion has been lost from
pensions and savings.
But it is jobs that have long represented the stairway to upward
mobility in America. For a long time, it was feared they were vulnerable
to offshore competition (and indeed still are), but now the erosion is
from economic decline at home. What happens as those domestic
opportunities recede? Middle-class families fear they have become
downwardly mobile and have not hit the bottom yet. The financial
security that was once based on home equity and a pension has been swept
away.
In a survey just released, the Pew Research Center explored the
recession's impact on households and how they are changing their
spending and saving behavior. Nearly half the adults polled intend to
boost their savings, cut their discretionary budgets, and cut their debt
loads. The report concludes that the present enforced frugality will
outlast the recession and its overhang. Fully 60 percent of those ages
50 to 61 say they may delay retirement. What does that mean for the
young would-be employees entering the labor force over the next few
years?
The administration's stimulus program, because of the way Congress
put it together, has created far fewer jobs than anyone expected given
the huge price tag of almost $800 billion. It was supposed to constrain
unemployment at 8 percent, but the recession took the rate way above
that and in the process humbled the Obama presidency. Some 25 million
jobless or underemployed people now wish to work full time, but few
companies are ready to hire. No speech is going to change that.
Little wonder there has been a gradual public disillusionment. Little
wonder people have come alive to the issue of excess spending with
entitlements out of control as far as the eye can see. The hope was that
Obama would focus on the economy and jobs. That was the number one
issue for the public—not healthcare. Yet the president spent almost a
year on a healthcare bill. Eighty-five percent in one poll thought the
great healthcare crisis was about cost. It was and is, but the
president's bill was about extending coverage. It did nothing about the
first concern and focused mostly on the second. Even worse, to win its
approval he accepted the kind of scratch-my-back deal-making that
suggests corruption in the political process. And as a result, Obama's
promise to change "politics as usual" disappeared.
The president failed to communicate the value of what he wants to
communicate. To a significant number of Americans, what came across was a
new president trying to do too much in a hurry and, at the same time,
radically change the equation of American life in favor of too much
government. This feeling is intensified by Obama's emotional distance
from the public. He conveys a coolness and detachment that limits the
number of people who feel connected to him.
Americans today strongly support a pro-growth economic agenda that
includes fiscal discipline, limited government, and deficit reduction.
They fear the country is coming apart, while the novelty of Obama has
worn off, along with the power of his position as the non-Bush. His
decline in popularity has emboldened the opposition to try to block him
at every turn.
Historically, presidents with approval ratings below 50 percent—Obama
is at 45—lose an average of 41 House seats in midterm elections. This
year, that would return the House of Representatives to Republican
control. The Democrats will suffer disproportionately from a climate in
which so many Americans are either dissatisfied or angry with the
government, for Democrats are in the large majority in both houses and
have to defend many more districts than Republicans. In any election
year, voters' feelings typically settle in by June. But now they are
being further hardened by the loose regulation that preceded the
poisonous oil spill—and the tardy government response.
The promise of economic health that might salvage industries and
jobs, and provide a safety net, has proved illusory. The support for
cutting spending and cutting the deficit reflects in part the fact that
the American public feels the Obama-Congress spending program has not
worked. As for the healthcare reform bill, the most recent Rasmussen
survey indicates that 52 percent of the electorate supports repeal of
the measure—42 percent of them strongly.
It is clear that the magical moment of Obama's campaign conveyed a
spell that is now broken in the context of the growing public
disillusionment. Obama's rise has been spectacular, but so too has been
his fall.
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Bubble Boy: "That's a typo, you moron!"
And we are knowledgeable many things in the West (Aristotle for example, the use of paper) because of the Muslim presence in Cordoba and the great library there.
Yeah...once all the bodies were buried and the blood cleaned up, it must have been a helluva place to kick back, relax and read a book ;-)
IIRC, the Crusaders torched the place in the late 13th century. Meh, book-burning is all the rage it seems. Of course, now days, they can just delete an offensive book from your e-reader.
Yeah, I saw that last year...deleted Orwells 1984 I believe it was off the Kindle.
Ironic no?
Unless the government was behind the deletion, I vote no. (But I wasn't the one who junked.)
The fact that masses of people have bought into a product/system in which the deletion can happen at all, intentional or not, by the government or not, is the irony. Today's people seem to really love their centralized systems of control...hence the success of nanny state legislation.
Just like you don't "own" your computer operating system from Microsoft or Apple but simply paid for the right to use it. Or you don't own that music or those movies your "bought" from the iTunes "store" but rather paid for the "right" to listen to or view them on certain devices. Sounds like rent rather than ownership to me.
Some of my "friends" laugh at me because I still purchase "books" rather than "buy" the electronic versions. Of course, they have no problem "borrowing" them from me when they wish to read them. I have started charging a few select "rented" friends a fee to borrow my books. To date, each one has paid and then returned the book. Could this be a new business model? Since I'm more convenient than the local library, maybe I can scale this up to the neighborhood? :>)
Amen. This whole e-reader thing just seems unnatural. Maybe for textbooks - weight & cost - but other than that, gimme a hard copy.
have to agree Uncle. . . call me paranoid, but what's to stop the altering of e-text to reflect a "new" version of e-reality? at least my dusty bookshelf relics maintain their integrity in this "upgrade" world. . .
That would just be the next step in the Brave New World of 1984. We already see things like this where news articles, even "official statements" are disappeared.
I had saved an "official" white house statement on BP two months ago. I went looking for the original last week and it is missing. I even did a key word search and date from the original and it's just gone from the WH web site. No where to be found, which of course means it never happened.
I used the contact button on the WH web page and asked what happened, giving details including a screen shot of the original. I was told via e-mail that if it isn't on the web site, there was no release since the web site has a record of all releases.
So I must be mistaken.
Yup, that's the ticket. It's me that's the problem because the "official" record is all there is. What's really scary is that I linked to the original "official" statement two months ago from a Washington Post article, of which I also have the link. Guess what? That's gone as well.
yeah, I've had it happen before too. . . I often print out (how archaic, ha) things I want to save, rather than bookmark, etc. - just because I've seen things rewritten or dis-appeared. . .
three books read a few years back just keep popping up for me: 1984, Brave New World, and Fahrenheit 451. . . *shakes head*
+1
I see 1984 as a sober warning (somewhat unheeded!) vs. Huxley's BNW as the eugenicist ideal, scoring a point for the globalists and Georgia Guidestoners:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
I agree - Huxley's writings definitely have a elitist undercurrent, while Orwell - though informed by his politics - still have more resonance with all that is going down now. . .
I've just been reading a story about a new Israeli creation where young female soldiers sit in front of a monitor with a joystick that fires remote-controlled machine guns on watchtowers. . . the comparison is made the the Sony PlayStation. . . add the US military ops in sitting in front of a video screen in Colorado, firing on people in Afghanistan with drones, and hey, it's a helluva world we inhabit. . . apparently 40 nations use drones now. . . sigh.
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/israels-new-video-game-executions/
Lock onto heat signal...boom!
They have small rockets for individuals. Blown to bits. Hit a windshield with one and nobody lives to tell the tale. Never heard it coming anyway. Death From Above.
No, that's not ominous at all.
Wait - how many fingers is that again?
Same line of thinking asks what is to keep "them" from altering the results of electronic voting machines?
Paper ballots counted and certified by a good number of honest volunteers is the way it should stay.
As we have seen, when the responsibility for important outcomes gets concentrated in the hands of too few, corruption ensues almost immediately.
I am shocked - just shocked.
Oh, and hear, hear on the paper ballots.
Courtesy: Amazon, just another corporation without conscience. The followup from the company was like reading a 1984 sequel.
First communique I ever read by Amazon that didn't begin with, "We are excited".
*snort*
nmewn,
Thank you, I won't even get started on that one.
Something tells me that Mosque, when it's built won't last long.
New Yorkers are a lot of things, but they damned sure WILL NEVER FORGET.
Your welcome Dos.
I guess you wouldn't be interested in reading about the massacre of the Qurayza by Muhammad...I mean ya never know what will happen when you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park ;-)
Your probably right...it would interfere with the whole Islam being a religion of peace narrative being spun by many...LOL.
Sounds like absolute BS to me. It has taken years of bickering just to get an ordinary building approved. Something like this would never even be discussed by any official authority, much less approved. Someone is trying to create their own viral flash in the pan and will probably succeed, briefly, until the next one comes along. I'm sure it urged you to forward to your entire mailing list. I won't ask whether you did.
Edit: checking google news produces many stories of a mosque planned "near ground zero." What defines "near?" There are many in NYC already -- are any of them "near" the site? Where is the closest one? Like most Americans I have strong feelings about 9/11. That doesn't mean I will let just anyone push my buttons.
are we counting the synagogues & cathedrals in NYC too?
Cath,
AND WTF does that have to do with it?.
Or, you must be NOT an American............
or. . . A WITCH!!!!!!1!!!!
"burn her!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g&NR=1
lol.
Looks like Obama has a lot more assassination squad hiring to do!
Headbanger I dont agree with the 'Repub sweep' mantra we're being told, IF there is an election, if we make it that far, it will be an INCUMBENT bloodbath.
NOVEMBER INCUMBENT BLOODBATH !!! MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!!
Musical chairs for the corrupt pigs!
F Mort and the bus he rode in. All credibility is lost as he gets exposed for the LT fix in the media thats started in the 1960's....
Idiotic voters-sheeple...
Vote Obama to avoid republican victory..
or vote the republican candidate to avoid having Obama at the white house..?
And not vote for Ron Paul because if you vote for him your vote is wasted.
You put TOO much importance and bestow TOO much power to your sorry pathetic completelly insignificant vote.
Vote anything you freely like or vote what you dont like,vote the party you despise even..and I assure you nothing will change....because your vote is tottally insignificant but like idiots sheeple treasure their votes as something that has the power of singlehandedly bringing a party to power!!!!!!!!!
Total sheeple-voter stupidity.
We voted for Obama because at heart, at heart.........
we're suckers.
(always have been, always will be)
We?
Some knew what was going on and voted for the candidate best suited to do the right thing even against the bought n sold politicians and hypocrisy filled with lies and deception. The guy you should have voted for imho was Ron Paul.
But since you voted for BHO, here are two video clips as a reminder of how you were conned and blatantly lied to. Some people love a cult of personality and followed like sheeple while others saw the truth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1PIWWgDG1k
Thanks for the videos. I had forgotten, with my American Idol attention span, what the man actually said. Now I'll forget again. By the way, whatever happened with that underwater oil well thingy? Is that still going on?
They count on that.
Hey...just noticed that your half a cracker. Do you think the "New Black Panther Party" will let your babies live?
I can't honestly say. I'm still working on the parthenogenesis part.
Maybe the fact that that crazy lady named Palin would have been Veep had something to do with it.
Escape,
WHO's WE?.......read this moron/puppet from the get go.
If your talking about the Hopeless Romantics, who believed his line of shit, and because it WAS time for a person of color to be POTUS?,yeah, that's it...........(sure was not experience).
IN some's defense, little clue did they have about what HE meant, and what he SAID.
The "Hope and Change", and the "Fundamental Transformation"........we got, is NOT what a lot thought they were getting.
Been around the playground a hell of a lot longer than the majority on here, I am sure..............TEN POTUS's elected, since I was old enough to notice............
Quoting a British anarchist whose name escapes me:
"If voting actually meant anything, the government would have banned it a long time ago."
Partisan ignorance much?
"Partisan ignorance much?"
Yah, there's a lot of that here, on all sides. Here's some more: You all should have voted for Ralph Nader in 2008. I doubt he believes in Too Big To Fail, except mb for mainstreet instead of wallstreet.
See, everyone has an opinion.
Regards
If Ralph had just left GM and the Corvair alone, they could have continued their ascent into automotive innovation greatness. But no, Ralph just couldn't leave it alone.
/sarcasm off
Regardless of whether or not R&B screwed things up, you're way off track on military. The ticking sound you hear are entitlements, i.e., SS+medicare that are going to blow. The cost curve for both of those alone will bankrupt the already bankrupted country. Iraq is about $700B. SS+Med is about $100T, realistically, and a lot more if interest rates go up, since the gubmint has so kindly raided the funds with IOUs. Of course, they can always try to inflate their way out of debts. If hyperinflation hits, they could pay off the entire bloody ledger with a single printed $100T greenback.
Now, the other lesson here is: Why were the Ds rattling their sabers on iraq for years before the actual invasion? Why did many of the Ds vote for going in? Why hasn't O pulled the troops out? Why has the press stopped their death counts in iraq and afghanistan? The wars haven't changed, only the leaders, so what gives?
If you can answer those questions, then you will know who the real enemies are. Hey, welcome to the team!
yeah, thanks zuck, for all your help getting this douchebag into office. Kinda like the way Rush distanced himself from Bush near the end. Took him 8 years to figure out what a clueless moron that guy was. Yeah right....
And then comes the Charming Missus, aka The First Lady, calling Libertarian Crackers like me racists. That'll cost the Big O's party a few more million votes in the mid-terms.
I've been saying it all along, and I'll say it again: Obama is a sophomoric boob.
He is a first-rate ideologue, and a student-council caliber leader.
Screw her, and screw him.
The "racist" label is rapidly losing its power. At this point, I really couldn't care less what that bitch and her elitist, socialist friend call me.
We need to get over this fear of being labelled racist. Only that will take away the political power of the label.
I hope the Obamas continue with the racial divisiveness, as it'll get their foolish asses run right back to Chicago. Back into the Very Reverend Wright's pews, which, near as I can tell, is precisely where they belong.
And the sooner, the better.
Clan nepotism is alive and well in the tribe that created the race hustling machine.
You have to try this: root for the white people against the smurfs in Avatar. it will feel wrong. That is the racial conditioning you've been subjected to.
The rest of the groups would be rooting for THEIR KIND no matter what. If someone says you're a racist, say so what. If a white person does it, slap them for being a fucking punk ass coward.
This is funny, but in movies I almost always root for the group that we're not "supposed" to root for. In WWII movies (e.g. "A Bridge Too Far", "Saving Private Ryan") I root for the Germans.
But what if her arms called you racist?
Reminiscent of "you're either with us or against us". Think about it.
He's prepping for the RE fallout coming to theaters near you soon.
Thought cloud above BO's head:
"Screw Mort...no more WH invites for him...I'm firmly at the helm of the ship of state here...so what if a few ingrates like him get out of their deckchairs and go over the side...note to self-tell Ben and Timmy to get the black gang on double shifts to shovel more greenbacks into the fire...yeah, that it...FULL STEAM AHEAD!...whoa, gotta be cool about this...*sigh*"
Drive 'em down low enough and he'll have no where to go but up just in time for...
Obama ..... Who is the man .............. Grey past,and the future looking Greyer everyday.Might have inherited a barrel of brown stuff in the job,but surely the mark of a Great President is he does something about it / with it . Wouldn,t trust this Geezer to deliver my paper....... Lol
All that doesn't matter. He had a shoeshine and a smile, and that's all it took. A nice set of pearly whites, too! Told us what we wanted to hear. Used car salesman, "This car costs $750, take it or leave it." Customer, "That's all we have!" Salesman, "I know. That's why."
A shoeshine and a smile. And nice teeth. Used car salesman. Well said.
+1000
If voting could change anything, they would make it illegal.
+∞
+ 1000
Game rigged, fully controlled.
Priceless!
since no one else has stepped up, I'll do it - the above quote is from Emma Goldman, as is this other popular quote:
"If I can't dance, I don't want to be a part of your revolution."
"millions cannot make minimum payments on their credit cards"
Surprised you let that one slip out, Mort.
Clearly this is indicative of how the oligarch class thinks.
"millions cannot make minimum payments on their credit cards"
Surprised you let that one slip out, Mort.
Times a gazzilion.
Yeppers. No the people don't need money...they need credit.
Gawd these people are insane.
I think that's just commentary on how far the average American has fallen. Not only are they living on credit, they can't make the minimum payments. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Change?
Clinton Admin. Like Summers and Rubin.
Lefty liberal BS, they were licking Obama's ass two years ago so excited they were wetting themselves like new puppies looking for the newspaper.
Uh the guy has no experience, may be good looking and charming but no experience.
Would Mort hire a new college graduate as an Executive V.P to run his company for him? .....nope.
And the blame it on Bush almost two years later is getting almost juvenile, you took the job now do your f**king job!
Your argument makes sense.
Until you cut to two scenes:
Both scenes show successful people with some decent net worth watching TV
In one there is a self proclaimed conservative intellectual watching MSNBC and he is screaming at the TV.
In the other there is a self proclaimed liberal intellectual watching Fox News and he is screaming at the TV.
What do both of these people have in common? They are under the impression that they have a choice and that their vote means something.
They are both imbeciles.
It's fascinating how many people get enraged about which shepard is being pushed towards the cliff by the collective consumers that make up the U.S. A nation of consumption and debt needs no political party to collapse, stop blaming the ELECTED leadership and blame yourself, stop voting, and take action to be human again.
And I'll try and stop giving advice on message boards.
+ 1000
And, when Mort says "Americans today strongly support a pro-growth economic agenda that includes fiscal discipline, limited government, and deficit reduction." LOL
No, Americans believe in something for nothing. Americans believe in virtually unlimited defense budgets, shiny new 500,000 square foot public libraries and low taxes. Americans believe in weight loss using surgery and pills instead of changing eating habits and exercise.
The enemy is us...
+1000!
Mort writes:
"Americans today strongly support a pro-growth economic agenda that includes fiscal discipline, limited government, and deficit reduction."
WTF? I DO NOT want "growth." Growth is what yeast and cancer cells do, which results in, well, you know... No, "growth" is what these oligarchs feed off of, THEY are the cancer.
I blame everyone who voted to keep this system alive!
To vote is to consent to be governed by psychopathic children.
omg.
+++ infinity, for some real home truth!
Jimmy Carter is off the hook. lulz
Obama names Lew as his OMB director when Orszag steps down. Another Clinton cronie to the rescue.
This is how you can tell Obama has absolutely no clue how to deal with anything. He continues to try and use Clinton people in his administration again and again. Nice CHANGE Obammy. This will be the easiest electione defeat in history come 2012, as Obama stands no chance of being re-elected.
LOL buzzsaw, could anyone be worse than Carter....uh yes we can.
Bush wins hands-down.
While no apologist for Obama, he did inherit a fucked up country: multiple [illegal] wars, huge deficits (which didn't exist when Bush took office; though, to be fair, those black numbers were racked up thanks to Greenspan's bubble economy).
Carter (inheriting a country that had decoupled its currency from gold and saddled with war debt) at least tried to warn us about the looming energy crisis. Reagan mocked it, encouraged eveyone to party-on, and here we are...
Hubris, fucking hubris all the way round.
Totally +1000
Reagan carried out the commands of the owners. Just like the next 4 did and will continue to do.
With Reagan you really saw the arrogance start. It was almost as if the king makers had a side bet: "see, we told you we can make virtually any puddle of shit POTUS" Now pay up!
And now we are. But no one but ourselves to blame.
REAGAN WAS AN ACTOR.
seriously folks, that was yer "tell."
He read whatever script that the biggest checkbooks handed him. He loved the way that worked. Money made right to him; he listened well. Thanks to his crack policy in LA he wwas able to fund his Contra operation and take the pressure off unemployment in the inner cities. Just say no meant just keep it illegal.
Really, we could go on forever on this guy.
CA did real well when he was POTUS. That made the ensuing crash particularly hard on the residents.
But Ronnie was already out of it by then. Talk about going downhill fast.
If the USA lived within its means / paid its debts off,the population would be 0 (nil),because people wouldn,t have enough cash left to buy food.Better than a carry on film this stuff.
Buy food? That's the only way that food can be gotten?
All that needs to be understood about this is that the Jewish establishment is going to back the Republicans. They're jumping ship, and it has nothing to do with the economy. They want WAR WAR WAR god damn it. Obama isn't giving them war with Iran yet. Are any of you so god damn dumb as to assume Zuckerman actually cares about Americans and their economic suffering?
Yeah, junk it again.
I am an average guy and I've figured it out.
+ as many de-junks as it takes.
you voter-peeps, stop kicking reality down the road to endless "november"s. . .
wake the hell up!
sven,
Disagree w/ya on this one.............American Jews, have little to do with the Israeli Jewish philosophy, plus their 90% all Democratic voters, and as LEFT as they come.
Why you think Fla is always in the Dems camp, cause that's where the elderly wealthy US Jews retire to.
American Jews, v.s. Israeli, Night and Day.
Jeb.Bush.
from wiki, who could resist.
also, may be time to repost that list of amrkns with dual-israeli passports, hmm. .
"also, may be time to repost that list of amrkns with dual-israeli passports, hmm. ."
I take it you mean the much discussed, never provided as of yet, dual American-Israeli citizenship list.
I for one want to see it. Pop it up here let's have a gander.
it wasn't my post, but here you go:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-thought-experiment-iran#comm...
Thanks for that aura, I have not seen this.
The source seems to be an email which was copied and pasted onto the Ron Paul website forum by someone calling himself Gin 1/5/2009 22:01. The list provided by your link is identical to the one there, that is, ripped straight from there, posted to ZH under forums by Max Hunter. No big deal, I just like to get my sources straight.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/78153
I can also share with you when cross referencing some of the names one comes across something called Godlike Productions. A very nasty place. Take my advice and give it a very wide berth unless you like malware trying to hijack your browser. Rumor is that it's CIA. What better way to pass an internet kill switch than to load up malware across the world and keep the budget money flowing. Just sayin.
As to the list, perusing the list the first thing that stands out is they are all appointee's. And it seems to be accurate. The President is free to appoint whoever they feel qualified for the job under consideration provided all Constitutional constraints are followed. If a block of voters feels strongly enough about the issue of dual citizenship, the campaign is the place to bring up the issue. I don't care if it's Hispanic, Asian or European dual citizenship. I would add no one was asking about Barry's trip to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport, which would be part of a normal vetting process by a political party and a responsible media.
By virtue of the Constitution, I would support the removal from office of anyone who is in the line of Presidential Succession, like Kissinger was as Secretary Of State or any cabinet level officer who has dual citizenship to include no one rising through elected office to be Senate Pro Tempor or Speaker of the House.
Doszap, I agree with you. I used the term "Jewish Establishment".
3 countries with major tribe populations. Israel, US, and UK. What do they all have in common? WAR WAR WAR WAR.
Funny how the nations that were depopulated are the peaceful ones now. Oh and the US and UK are known for worldwide financial scams run by banks with monoethnic leadership, as well as media purveying filth and propaganda.
Just do what I do and BLAME WHITEY for everything.
Be more patient. The war ships are massing near Iran as we speak.
+1000
And for those of you who enjoy a good "Carry On" Sound clip may I suggest Kenneth Williams laughing, (Lower Right hand side of page, see link below)
http://www.carryon.org.uk/sounds.htm
hahahahahhhh, great stuff - thanks for a memory!
Thanks Mort. Its nice when the billionaires stand up for the small people.
Can you spare a quarter?
Mort " where is my bailout" Zuckerman. It's bad enough Mort gets to walk away scott free from his bad investments and we cannot. Mort wants the government to pay him 100 cents onf the dollar to move his bad debt onto the taxpayers books.
Steve Wynn can make good on his threats to move to Macau so he won't have to pay any US taxes.
What none of these skuzballs will admit is the massive FRAUD in the CRO market they were part of. No one ever mentions the massive FRAUD that is ongoing. These dirtbags did the same thing back in the 1980's taking the US taxpayer for 150 billion in the S&L scam.
I am a strict fiscal conservative who believes Washington is a runaway train. I also believe that some sanity was needed in the foreign policy arena. I voted for Obama - the choice between two evils - and don't regret the choice. His performance is below expectations as I have railed about many times on this site. The alternative was to vote for the war loving McCain and the absurd idiot Palin. So, very painful choice and now of course now she is coming anyway. I think we are slightly better off than if McCain and the idiot sidecar (why the f___ did he do that ?). We are no longer the Pariah of the planet but Obama got stuck in the Terror Dilemna: If you pull out of Afghanistan, then Bin Laden will execute a terror strike. Why ? He knows Iraq and Afghanistan are bleeding us and that he controls the strings (top 3 failures of both people that have sat in the Oval office over the last 10 years is the failure not to have killed this F____.) If you leave, you get a terror strike and you are out. In comes Palin and the fucking planet is near doomsday in her first week.
Congress is now pushed to the edge and it is full of idiots, swine, dumb bitches, wimps, criminals, losers, etc etc. They have to promise voters more or rail against the other side more vociferously than their opponents in order to get elected every two years. And it takes more money so they whore themselves out more readily in Whoretown. Meanwhile Senators, the masters of the game, insulate their long careers which are comprised mainly of insulating themselves.
The Presidency is in a shit bin of trouble and they only seem to care about what the public thinks of them for the final six months of the first term. That is vote time. One term is loserville. That is their worst fear (and the curx of the problem). So the most powerful person in the world sets up the world for that six month period. Period. Bush did it brilliantly. Made it look like he just won the war and everything was back. he will go down in history as the worst 8 year President ever.
Ammendment for a balanced budget. Six year term for President, Congress and Senators. One term only. Make the changes or we are surely going down in the next 10-15 years if Palin doesn't get us all killed in the interim. Period.
This has nothing to do with Obama. He is a tool of an establishment. Like Sarah Palin:
http://www.amconmag.com/tactv/2010/07/13/is-palin-a-puppet/
We are presented with two captured individuals (Mac and Barry) who, when and where it matters, believe the same things and serve the same interests.
Got it. It's all Palin's fault. Glad that's cleared up.
Well said....
You're a strict fiscal conservative and you voted for the biggest-spending gubmint-solutions-lubbin' dumbass to ever come down the pike.
Puhleeeez.
One thing is for sure, whenever someone claims to be a "Republican" or a "strict fiscal conservative" but they voted for the other side you can be sure they were not. Like those guys who call into talk shows with "I'm a life-long Republican but I can't vote for John McCain".
If he's a fiscal conservative, I can understand his reluctance to have voted Republican in 2008. We had just watched Bush double the national debt from ~$6 trillion to ~$12 trillion, during times (for the most part) of prosperity.
Then, when the world began to wobble off its axis, the Bush administation poured trillions into the very corporations that played a huge role in creating the mess. So far, in American history, there is no fascist more prolific than Bush. Just think for a moment of all the programs created by the Bush administration that increased the role, power and influence of our government. The only thing more amazing than that, are the remaining Republicans who willfully ignore that their party is no less fascist or socialist than the Democrats.
To my utter astonishment, I agree with you.
But give your boy Obama some time. He's rapidly approaching the Bushian standard of fascism. Since he's such an "overachiever," I'm sure he'll eventually surpass his predecessor.
Both of them would be swinging from lamp-posts if there were any justice in the world.
I'm no fan of Obama.
I used to be a Republican, back when it actually mattered.
The modern Republican party was sold as collateral by their leaders to pay the debts to those who got them elected.
Same here.
The only redeeming feature of the Republicans is that the occasionally, accidentally elect someone like a Ron or Rand Paul.
Democrats never make that kind of mistake. LOL.
Personally, I'd like to see both parties outlawed and treated like unreconstructed Baathists in Iraq.
"I used to be a Republican, back when it actually mattered" 1940's?
You could have voted for Ron Paul but you sold yourself out. You deserve what you got.
+1. All it would have taken was a quick look at both McCain's and Obama's proposed budgets during the campaign, to see there was no substantial difference between the two. Maybe a different focus in expenditures, but both were clearly pro-government-expansion. Both applauded the ongoing bank bailouts.
Politics is so distasteful. It's like watching "Two girls, one cup."
+1... and get the money out of federal politics (public funding and a lobby ban).
Moron.
No, the moron was on the other ticket.
-1. Which other ticket? There were several.
Oh that's right, you only saw one. Hm, how smart was that.
You're a fucking moron who voted for EVIL.
YOU wasted your vote like all the other establishment party voting CHUMPS out there
" I voted for Obama - the choice between two evils "
And that's the problem with Amerika... toe the line, vote for
the lesser of two evils. Why?! People need to grow some balls!
I wrote in Ron Paul, have been ridiculed for it, but don't give two shits.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!
Osama bin Laden still alive? Sorry, go back to the drawing board... The guy was dealt with just as every other out of control CIA puppet ever has been: he served his useful purpose.
Limiting term limits just means that we'll have the revolving doors spinning faster. Because of the turnover we will never be able to pin the tail on the donkey (sorry, not meant as a political poke), it'll be a "get in, rob, get out quickly" operation. And, the political campaigns will be blaring 24 hrs/day 365 days/yr year in year out.
Want to REALLY stop this insanity (if you don't, then it's because you're looking to milk this dying cow)? STOP VOTING!
People wanted "change" so they voted Obama. Before that they wanted change and they voted "Bush." And bets are that this is the same for more local elections (down from POTUS).
The real problem is that into the 60s the US was governed by a Northeastern elite that lived according to the traditional WASP values, and then into the early 90s by people who had grown up in such a country. Can you imagine a GWB succeeding Eisenhower?
It doesn't nearly as much matter how you structure the institutions as what the culture expects of its leaders.
Of course he declines to acknowlege the reckless malinvestment of the rich, their refusal to pay taxes for spending they support (wars, corporate perks, outrageous compensation). This is only partially a government caused problem.. government marches to private, corporate instructions through their lobbysists.
Perhaps its time to call a spade a spade... lobbying is bribery and the bribed and the bribers have created a self perpetuating corrupt government. There is no substantive difference between the policies of Dem or Repub...they both will govern in the interest of the bribers, not the people.
GIMME SOME A DAT GREEN SHIT
http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com/2010/07/wonders-of-world-of-fraud-gre...
Dem a smok'n da Green Weed Of Recoveree Maan
Madhouse you speak the truth on our politicians but just looking at the facts for Obama and Palin (I don't support either) tells an interesting story:
Obama:
Community Organizer (leadership exp.)
Illinois Senator (less than a year before running for President)
Illinois - Politically corrupt and fiscally bankrupt.
Still at War in Iraq and Afghanistan
Palin:
Governor of the State of Alaska ( leadership experience)
Alaska - Politically stable and not fiscally bankrupt.
Not tainted by time in Washington DC.
Palin was presented to us by Kristol. Jepetto Kristol. She has a full size Israeli flag in her office. Good god damn. She isn't one of us. She won't represent us. She will send US to die for THEM in the Middle East, just like that rat bastard Bush.
So true.
Christian zionists remind me of the black Klansman from the Dave Chapelle show.
She isn't a Christian Zionist. She doesn't have the processing power to come to such a conclusion.
She was made an offer she couldn't refuse.
Here, let Farrakhan tell you how it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K75EPrtBz4
Palin is not someone one would want running an empire in dire straits, and surface analyses such as suggested here are inappropriate to a thoughtful website like ZH. A partial term as governor of a state not much larger than a metropolitan suburb, which is "not fiscally bankrupt" because of oil company payouts, is no qualification, and "not tainted by time in Washington DC" is a qualification shared by almost 300 million other Americans.
If we could get Muir's avatar on the repubican's ticket for the WH, you betcha we'd finally have the government we deserve. ;-)
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I'm getting dizzy.
LOL at the idea that this has anything to do with economic policy or healthcare or any other "domestic" issues.
If Mort Zuckerman is jumping off the Obama bandwagon, it can be for only one reason: Israel. Perhaps Obama has failed to greenlight an Israeli raid on Iranian nuclear facilities?
Is that a bag over your head or a white hood, cracker?
LOL. Typical liberal ad-hominem response.
You do know that Mort is very active in AIPAC, right?
Dumbass.
So what, Goober? Everybody lobbies. You are so dumb you probably burned a cross on your own lawn.
"Everybody lobbies?" LOL.
Yeah...I guess some people just do it better than others.
Now fuck off, you benighted twat.
his lawn, his cross, uncle tom...now go fuck yourself
I'm getting confused here... I agree with you. That others don't (get it), that you're being flagged is a bit disconcerting. I suspect that you're being junked by Palin supporters.
Good god, Palin? Yeah, let's roll with that one, let's get this disaster over with! No surer way to end this "American experiment" than slecting "leadership" like a Palin.
Baa, baa...
She has already proven herself to be absolutely available to be corrupted so don't think they are not looking at her.
Very clever.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
Lest we forget.
how blissful is that ignorance you bear?
Mort is late to the party. I have, along with many others, been writing on what ails this economy for a long time.
In a nutshell, No Profit, No Growth.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article7320.html
And this growth we seem to have had in Q1---synthetic, artificial, and unsustainable.
Businesses should be more than just a revenue source for the Federal Government. There is no reason to go into business if you can earn a profit AND KEEP it for your own purposes.
Something a community organizer will never grasp.
Hey Mort, thanks for nothing.
"In a nutshell, No Profit, No Growth."
Or, as a nut would say, "growth is good."
In TPTB's world growth is good, but for the rest of humanity not.
Those worshiping growth either don't give a rat's ass about anyone else (which includes the future), or they don't have a clue about simple exponential math.
For those who aren't sure if they have a firm grasp of exponential math I offer this for useful education: http://www.guba.com/watch/3000053112/Arithmetic-Population-Energy
For those who don't care about others, well, I suppose that I'll see you "hanging" around town square some day...
Thanks for playing!
From Joe Six-Pack
www.JoeSixPack.me October 2008To My Fellow Americans:
I write to you on this very historic occasion in the history of our great country- the United States of America. I am Joe Six-Pack, a typical American man. As I write, the entire world's financial system has collapsed- that's right collapsed, not "on the edge of a melt-down", nor "a close call". It is not working as we speak. The only thing calming nerves in the recent week (October 11) is the promise of trillions of dollars (worldwide) to "rescue" it. Hopefully the calm will be maintained for a while. I think the "plan" is to maintain the calm until at least the election. The underlying problem is derivatives. Yes it is related to the housing bubble, but it eclipses the housing bubble. The derivatives bubble itself is 1/2 to 1 $Quadrillion dollars (estimates vary)- one quadrillion is $1,000,000,000,000,000: $ 1000 Trillion, or $1 Million Billion. Yes this is a unimaginable number, and that is the size of the gambling casino that has frozen up. The housing bubble at best is $15 trillion dollars. I think Aex Stanczyk, an investment advisor, said it best when he described a huge elephant tottering out of control, and little Ben Bernanke and Henry Paulson running around its feet saying in little voices, 'ummm... Mr. elephant, please don't step on that, oh...don't step on that...".
I will not try and explain what derivatives are now, but clearly it is a big part of the current financial problem. Go to Take BackThe Fed , or Financial Blackmail, and watch the Senate hearing on the role of derivatives in the current crisis (October 14). It is a giant gambling casino. Many who gambled on, for instance, mortgage backed securities HAD NO INTEREST IN THEM AT ALL. They just wanted to bet that they would fail! Yes, it is a giant side bet ponzi scheme. And do you know what? The idiots in Washington want US to bail them out! This is credit default swaps (CDS) you may have heard about in recent weeks- JP Morgan, Bear Stearns (remember them?), AIG and others. CDS are around $62 trillion themselves.
Folks, this is the scary part. Joe Six-Pack has been expecting this to happen for over 15 years. I believed that someday derivatives would get out of hand and cause a huge financial collapse. I am not the only one of course. There were economists who worried about derivatives. This is not to say I am smarter or anything like that, but rather to say, that a typical guy apparently understood what was happening, while apparently many if not most of the experts did not (or were too busy profiting from it). But here is the scariest part- neither John McCain nor Barak Obama seemed to have even a clue that this was the issue! John McCain, not a month ago said "the fundamentals are sound"! Yet Joe Six-Pack, not a presidential candidate was waiting for it to happen! I am sorry, but we have a real disconnect here. We have two candidates who DO NOT HAVE a clue about the magnitude of the problem (maybe by now they are getting briefed), and we are supposed to look to them to solve this problem? This is scary!
I am talking straight to you here. Joe Six-Pack is saying this is potentially one of the most severe financial collapses in history let alone the last 80 years. In no time in history have they created a $1 QUADRILLION derivatives bubble then had it collapse (let alone even created one of any size). We have no idea how to fix it, yet, the idiots in Washinton DC are going to try and save the GAMBLING CASINO! And they are going to do it at our expense! Joe Six-Pack proposed back in MARCH of this year that we either fully nationalize the Fed, put it into bankruptcy, and create a new currency, or minimally at least just create the new currency. Please read and support Take Back The Fed. This is fully Constitutional, and has been done a number of times in our nations history. Joe Six-Pack has also tried to warn against allowing Congress being blackmailed into accepting the bail-out (oh, excuse, me "rescue") package. Folks this is going to devastate our nation, completely. This derivatives bubble completely eclipses the real economy, and these idiots are going to attempt to save it for their Wall Street buddies? Please visit and support Financial Blackmail.
I do not expect everyone to have known about derivatives, nor understood their dangers, but I do expect a potential president to have a definite grasp on this. We currently have two candidates with no apparent knowledge of what is actually happening. Even worse is if all along they DID know about it , and did not warn us. Then one wonders what their motives are? Joe Six-Pack started siv0 in January this year to try and warn the public. What did John McCain and Barak Obama do to warn Americans about the collapse?
Personally, being Catholic, and more generally Christian, I cannot support Barak Obama even if I wanted to due to his strong support for abortion (and yes, all niceties aside, he does SUPPORT abortion, he is PRO-ABORTION, remember, I am Joe Six-Pack). John McCain is an honorable man, but I believe he will support the Wall Street crowd (same with Barak Obama in my view), and neither appear to have even a clue as to what is actually happening. This is completely unacceptable. We need a president who knew what was happening, communicated it, and thus has a reasonable chance of making the right moves to fix it.
I know of only one current candidate in a major party with these qualities- it is Ron Paul, a Republican Congressman from Texas. Mr. Paul already introduced legislation (HR 2755) to abolish the Fed! He did this back in July 2007! Mr. Paul has been laughed at, kept out of debates, and largely ignored by the media. Why? BEACUSE HE KNEW THE TRUTH.
Joe Six-Pack was really not that interested in supporting Mr. Paul in 2007. I heard about him. I concluded that he was a moral man, and had some good ideas, and thought him worth considering. That was about it. But as the financial collapse unwound, I started to realize that he was THE ONLY CANDIDATE who understood and communicated the truth of what is happening to the public. I am not sure he has all the right solutions, but we are electing him President, not dictator. And I am confident he will work to restore the constitution (to whatever degree a president can).
Joe Six-Pack currently supports Ron Paul. I realize he is not the Republican Party's chosen candidate, but he is mine at this point. You may say, "he does not have a chance". Joe Six-Pack replies: In ordinary circumstances he does not stand a chance. We are not in ordinary circumstances. We are in a historically unprecedented financial collapse, and very few people even know what is actually happening- certainly not McCain or Obama. Ron Paul does. And, yes it matters. We cannot have another dim man surrounded by "smart" people. Depending on what happens in the next weeks before the election, public perception about who should be president could change substantially. If more unprecedented failures occur, and more panics ensue (even with the trillions of dollars being pumped into the dollar based system), then all Americans may come to realize that we have two fluff figures, two empty shirts vying for leadership of our country. These are two men who have spent too much time in politics and not enough understanding what was happening. I do respect both men to some degree, but on the most critical issue of our or any time in US history, they frankly have no clue. And if they do understand what is happening, but did not communicate it to us, it is even worse. When the electoral college delegates cast the final votes for president, frankly there is a small chance that they may say, 'we, as Americans, cannot elect one of these clueless leaders to lead our country'. And if they change their votes, it is perfectly Constitutional (though they may have some problems at the state level). Everyone talks about the wisdom of our country's fathers. Well one wise thing they did was to take the final vote out of the popular realm. They purposely enacted a system of delegates. What if there were obvious election fraud detected? What if the winning candidate was determined to have commited a heinous crime? What if America WOKE UP and realized that the candidates were party and media created empty shirts?
So, what can the average American (Joe and Joanna Six-Pack) do? I say:
1. Support Ron Paul, and let him and the Republican party know you do.
2. Write Ron Paul in on the ballot
3. Contact the delegates and be sure they know you support Ron Paul. Be sure they are fully aware that they can change their votes.
4. If you want to vote Independent, vote Libertarian or some other conservative party likely to have delegates who will pick Ron Paul (most states have a winner takes all rule, be sure you know how your state operates) when most likely your candidate loses. Because of the winner takes all rule, this is the least desireable route.
Folks, whether you are Republican, Democratic, or another political party, I believe this is the only hope for this country. We need a leader who understands what is actually happening, and has communicated it, and even taken actions towards solving it (i.e., HR2755). So far Ron Paul is the only candidate who has these qualities.
Joe Six-Pack
October 18. 2008
Joe Six Pack was busy drinking his cheap Coors thanks to the artifically cheap economy (and Adolph Coors, who likes alcholics because they make him rich, bitch! no free trader he, he'd lobby Congress against legalizing marijuana).
I like Ron Paul, I even voted for him. But that was before I fully understood that by supporting this system I'd only be encouraging corruption and helping the rich elite rule over the lot of us. No, Joe needs to understand this (and then he'll be free):
http://dissidentvoice.org/Nov05/Carpenter1102.htm
One of Ron Paul's principal advisors (perhaps his Z-handler) is Peter Thiel who is a Bilderberger.
http://www.nndb.com/people/030/000124655/
well, how fuckin' fascinating. . .
++ infinite search engines.
(and thanks for that link above Seer - great read, will explore the site!)
just to examine his record:
did nothing to investigate the financial crisis
keeps the same Secretary of Defense, and the same Bush foreign policy.
(Remember when John Kerry said he could do Iraq, better, not that the war was wrong stupid or immoral, or that it would bankrupt us. He could do it better.
did a bait and switch on healthcare reform, changing it to mandatory health insurance.
has no idea why we're losing jobs to China, and the global economy.
made insensitive racial remarks, the tone and content of which would have resulted in impeachment for a white President.
Failed to find anything morally reprehensible in Chicago politics (until his nose was pressed to the floor) and nothing at all wrong with the previous eight years of Bush.
to say he is worse that Bush is probably fair, he has the same failed policies and attitudes, and a few more to add to it.