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BP has succeeded in capping the well and stopping oil from flowing
into the Gulf of Mexico ... at least temporarily.
The
official Deepwater Horizon Response Twitter feed noted as of a
couple of minutes ago:
Update:
NO OIL FLOWING INTO THE GULF
This can be confirmed by looking at the underwater
video cams.
As of this writing, Skandi ROV 2's cam is showing
the cap (no oil), and Skandi ROV 1's cam is showing sonar of the
seafloor:
BP live feed from Skandi ROV 1 |
BP live feed from Skandi ROV 2 |
However, numerous industry experts have warned
that there is no upside to temporarily capping the well as part of the
well integrity test, and that it might actually cause the well to blow
out.
Indeed, Don Van Nieuwenhuise -
director of geosciences programs at the University of Houston - told
CNN today:
We don’t know if there ae significant leaks
deep in the well.
There’s a couple of weak points at 9,000
feet, and one at 17,000 feet, that they might be particularly
interested in looking and watching in the seismic.
[With seismic testing, you can look beneath the seafloor. Sonar only tests at the seafloor
itself].
Admiral Thad Allen previously said
that the test will be considered a success if pressure in the well
stays at 8,000 psi or higher for 48 hours. So we won't know for a
couple of days whether the test has succeeded.
As AP correctly notes:
Now begins a waiting period to see if the cap can hold
the oil without
blowing a new leak in the well. Engineers will monitor pressure readings
incrementally for up to 48 hours before reopening the cap while they
decide what to do.
Interestingly, as CNN's
Situation Room noted a couple of minutes ago, the cap might soon be
re-opened, and closed again only
during hurricanes:
Admiral Thad Allen
releasing a statement to us just a short while ago…
He cautions
“This isn’t over”…
Very interesting here. He talks about
the cap as a temporary measure to be used for hurricanes…
“It
remains likely that we will return to the containment process…
until the relief well is completed”
So it looks like the
plan is to go back to releasing the oil and letting it pump
up to the surface.
So
is the well integrity test a meaningless PR
stunt, which is delaying completion of the relief wells, and
failing to bring us any closer to permanently
killing the oil gusher?
Or is it a valuable tool to see
if the well can be protected from further damage during a hurricane?
Only
time will tell ...
Hat tip FloridaOilSpillLaw.
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I take him at his word...HE/HIMSELF...has no position on BP or any other stock on the planet...which leaves, friends, family, bonds or...LOL.
Conspiracy is a powerful tool...it can be used without any validation...it's up to the soiled to prove otherwise...or not ;-)
If he writes it, it must be a lie. That is why Mohammed said to kill all Geckos.
LOL..."That is why Mohammed said to kill all Geckos."
And Virginians.
Is Matt Simmons forcing you to post all of the BS? Or are you just doing it out of kindness for him and his short position? It is surely not because you believe that BP has not been interested in getting the flow stopped. and now that they have, you believe that this is the conspiracy theory. You are either getting paid or have long term damage to the thinking zones.
To answer GW's question - yes, it's temporary.
What happened to the live feed from the top of the new bop? Seems like now they just want to show us video of the rovs grabbing worthless wires and pretending to do something. They also stated that they would shut one valve at a time...One every 6 hours and take readings. I guess they decided to just twist the beatch down and hope for the best...NOT! This is the biggest cover-up since,ah, since,ah,ah,ah,ah the one yesterday on wall st. or the one the day before that on employment numbers or the one the day before that on financial reform or the one the day before that on everything. Look, if they were this successful with this new temporary bop it only means one of two things. Either the pressure was so low because of a bigger leak somewhere else they could just shut it down or they have spent the last 83 days designing this new bop for harvest purposes and never intended to close the well off. Which ever the case it proves that they are just playing with the sheeple once again for their own gain. If the pressure was low enough to shut her down then my guess is the problem was always somewhere else and this live feed that we have all been staring at has been nothing but their version of American idol. If that's the case they will have some explaining to do when oil keeps surfacing around the site. If the intention was always to harvest from this well and they allowed 83 days to pass and destroy the gulf with oil and toxic dispersants until they developed a new cap that could be worked then fuc% them! Bp probably either had to shut it down with the relief wells or get the new cap in place. Funny how they stopped drilling the relief well 4 feet away when the new bop was put on top? There will be heads rolling if the announcement comes they are going to harvest the well! Nuff said, now show me the flippin shot of the bop that i've been staring at for the last 60 days and prove it! mofos
tahoe! You know the 1st causality of war is the truth!! You find it or you don't through you're own good conscience!! Assuming there's some of us out among the U.S. populace who may have enough common sense to drown the mofos in all the goon lies! I know what the rat bastards want and they can't have my integrity! You know the crowd!! People continually killing the truth so the lie may be lived! Following the crowd and getting lost in it!! No light left in ones self to judge good or evil!! Here we are! Let's live the lie so we don't have to be ashamed of the truth!! Run but goons can't hide!! Coming to the end! Dead end for many!!
brit pee'd gulp kill is a side show for more yellow brick skipping to OZ or ONE NATION UNDER FRAUD!! Self evident truth of that will be up front an personal for those gulf coasters dead or alive to see!! No one in their right mind can think the government is here to help us while they close banks, dilute our buying power, and allow our world to be polluted for power, wealth, & gain!! Too bad! I'm so sad!! The self evident truth of our self appointed masters of the universe will burn like an oven with suffering heaped upon those who can't see through the fraud perpetrated by dogs who fight over rancit meat daily on the public coffers emptied stolen peoples money; let alone believe goons care about public safety!! Run for cover and if you can't run for cover then run for hell we're the temp will be much more bearable than what these rat bastards have planned for the vaporizing of AmeriCON'd! The burning of all thing formerly beautiful to ashes!!
What makes anyone think they are going to kill the well at all? It's a producing well, which isn't a bad thing for an oil company.
Why would they do the cap test right now? If it holds, they can continue the relief well and use it as a production well. Once they get to the well bore and install another BOP and a ton of other equipment, they can produce from it.
All they have to say is that the only way to guarantee the cap from blowing off is to keep the relief well flowing which will keep pressure off it. And that may not be far from the truth. In a sense it would hold O hostage to letting them do it.
Not saying that's what's happening. Just conjecture on my part.
Only thing AmeriCON'd has to look forward is the wash rinse and repeat cycle fed goons, gov sucks, & brit pee has for us!! We'll bend over and take the additional 5 trillion in burnokio 2.0 stim-u-less; dilution of USD's and gold won't lie but attest to the self evident truth of that train wreck upon we the people in less buying power; by doubling in paper ponzi terms! All the while the wash rinse repeat AmeriCON'd cycle continues! We the people could gird up some future bites on the jackals rat bastard snouts with a rope factory tour!! We the people with our power in coming in force to washinton could show there's lot's'uv rainbow bright neck ties we'd bring to a 3rd party vote nov 2nd!! Hell as posted previous the cowards are already buying tickets to destinations unknown and seeking body doubles which will play goon imploding roles into selection of the fittest in representative government, of the people, by the people, for the people=0 rat bastards holding current positions in CONgress/SINate!! 2 parties same result and a neck tie 3rd party for starts? If we can find dna results before we bitch slap body doubles senseless under mistaken identity claims!!!!
"...the test is just a meaningless PR stunt"?
Let's see, even if they pull the cap in 48 hours that's ~100k bbl and copious amounts of Corexit not going into the GOM. That's worth something. Of course, if you believe that they've been in collusion with the USCG to prevent 100% capture, and the methane-asphalt volcano's going to blow, and there are holes in rocks and gashes in the sea floor and a lake of oil and BP's got a nuclear fusion EM device ready to blast a hole in the mantle, everything else will seem like bs no matter what.
so is there methane down there?
the 48 hrs crude free should about offset the 48 hrs when much of the recovery system was taken off line, beyond that it's all upside, which is good.
but back to the methane, what is your verdict on its presence/duration or absence in the depths of the GOM resulting from this leak?
Yes there is methane down there, but it isn't much of a concern. A small percent of the methane that is coming up from the well disolves into the water, the some of it stays in the oil, and the rest of it forms hydrates. A hydrate is a fancy name for methane filled ice, and since both the ice and the methane are lighter than the sea water, these take a fairly fast trip to the surface where the methane escapes to the air.
The methane that is dissolved in the sea water can't burn or explode, because it doesn't have any oxygen to react with. The worst problem is that it displaces the oxygen in the water, making the fish suffocate and possibly die. This methane will stay in the water for a long time because the water carrying the methane has to reach the surface for it to escape to the air. To get an idea of how slow the methane will move to the surface, take a pitcher full of room temp water, put it on a counter, and after it has set for several minutes drop a dark colored pill in the bottom. See how long it takes for the color to reach the top of the water and then multiply that by 5000 to get an idea of the time frame. There will also be a biological break down of the methane, but I can't imagine that this will go very fast either.
It's more than 48 hours the relief wells are delayed then, which means that ~100k bbl you think is saved will just be spilled out (with interest!) into the GoM at a later date.
There's no guarantee the planned RWs will work. Data from this test will be used to make decisions about the RWs. For now I'll take the bird in the hand.
There has been enough evidence that the casing is fucked. If so drill,drill, drill. It won't matter.
NO THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY EVIDENCE THE CASING HAS EVEN BEEN FONDLED. There was an odd pressure response during the top kill. This led to some concern that it was POSSIBLE that the casing engaged in FOREPLAY. Everything else you've heard was wild-assed internet speculation with as much evidence as the Duke rape case.
I'm not shilling for anybody - just pointing out again and again and again that it does not constitute EVIDENCE for some anonymous dweeb to post "I'm sure that it happened".
ANY MORON CAN POST ON THE INTERNET. (Even me see!)
Sonar only gets the suface, seismic gets below it. they may be watching for surface changes in a wider area.
The ROV's do have the area directly around that BOP covered good
i'm with you GW this needs to be concluded...
I hope this doesn't turn out like "Mission Accomplished".
I immediately wondered about Matt Simmons claim that the bulk of the oil was exiting the seafloor some distance away from the BOV and all the cameras....has anyone heard his reaction to this event?
MSNBC: Matt Simmons Today>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scl2dgK_-Nw&feature=player_embedded
First: Thanks so much LSH...I really appreciate you finding this and sharing it with the whole ZH community.
Second: Holy Shit!! I get so confused as to how to figure out what might bear a slight resemblance to the truth one mile under the surface with two entities, neither of which i trust, both of which have reason to cover up being the arbiters and disseminators of what is publicly known. It seems fucked up that this becomes an epistemological matter instead of one where some type of strategy to best clean up, mitigate and otherwise repair an ecological and cultural nightmare of great scale for all humans and organisms that live in or near the GoM.
Amen
Hey Gekko
I'd love to sign up to be a BP shill. Then I'd use the easy money to buy gold. Then even if gold goes down, since it didn't cost me much, I wouldn't care.
And if gold went sky high........well then....why should I care if you think I'm a BP shill?
For the record, if BP can permanently kill the well with this cap - or even if the "well integrity test" doesn't blow out the well - I will be extrememly happy...
This would be a convenient time for you to retract/correct this:
I sent an email to the woman who made that statement on CNN. If she provides proof, I will post it. If she doesn't, I will add a caveat...
Oh, so you did not research what Rikki Ott actually said or what she actually wrote? She has a website. It is pretty easy.
Until you get a reply to your email to the blonde woman on CNN, you are standing by what you wrote? Even though it defies logic and common sense?
Ricki Ott isn't who appeared on CNN ...
True, but she is a Marine Toxicologist, and she did work the Exxon Valdez Spill Cleanup, and there are verbal and written records of her describing the health of the workers in the years after the cleanup effort.
You have an (and have had) an opportunity to set the record straight ... to erase the confusion and to correct the rumor that is out there. And yet you don't. Why not?
If you are saying that Ott can disprove blondie's claim, then I will contact Ott ...
I think that would be "good journalism".
You know, I see it quoted so often, particularly by your viewing audience .... "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."
Kudos to Jim_Rockford for doggedly pursuing the truth and FORCING it's discovery.
And GW, thank you for the follow through. Integrity once lost is almost impossible to regain.
My summation;
Undergraduate student does a "pilot study" 14 years (2003) after the spill, finding that roughly 1/3 of his/her sample (which is 1/2 of ALL oil spill workers reporting a problem to begin with) have "some type of lingering" Upper Respiratory Illness.
No evidence is sought or found as to what is causing "lingering symptoms" of the target sample ie. family medical history, prior individual medical history of target group, did they smoke before or after for example etc.
Somehow the above get's reported via Human Rights Activist Kerry Kennedy as "that almost all of the cleanup crew working on the Exxon Valdez oil spill are now dead, and that the average life expectancy for an Exxon Valdez oil spill worker is around 51 years, 26.9 fewer years than the average American."
Some more of Ms.Kennedy's pontifications via CNN and Campbell Brown;
"Kennedy, the President of the RFK Center for Justice and Human Rights, says even more problems are to be expected. ”We were told in all three states again, and again, that people are facing depression, and, of course, that leads to...domestic violence, to divorce, to a spike in crime, and to suicide."
http://campbellbrown.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/07/kerry-kennedy-bp%E2%80%99s...
End summation.
I'm reminded of how an undergraduate student's anectodal "evidence" of the Himalaya's being ice free in 25yrs. was included in the "peer reviewed" IPCC U.N. report on "manmade" global warming.
Or the Harvard "studies" that showed people without health insurance were 25-40% more likely to DIE than those with it. In this study they surveyed a groups of people They were asked if they had health insurance or not. Then they waited ten years. If any of those without health insurance had died , FOR WHATEVER REASON, they attribured it to lack of healthcare. They did not sort for they didn't have heath insurance then but died with it, they didn't sort for they got it one week after the survey, they didn't compare the death rate among those who had it and dropped it, they didn't consider traffic accidents or murder or suicide etc. ad nauseum.
And yet, somehow, there is never enough money for education...LOL.
Again, thank you both for doing the right thing.
Truth.
I liked your summary. I just found this and thought you might find it interesting. Nowhere that I can find in this "fact sheet" are the words "Corexit" or "Dispersant(s)" used. If I were to read this fact sheet only, I could easily come to the conclusion that the long term health issues suffered by the EVOS workers was purely due to the constituent toxins in the oil.
http://www.akaction.org/fact_sheets/Exxon_Valdez_Oil_Spill_Legacy_Fact_Sheet.htm
I guess you wouldn't mind rolling around in the stuff then. :-)
Oh, you mean like what BP is doing?
BTW, what the hell is a BP shill like you doing getting all legal on GW's ass? So you - Mr. "Kiss-BP's-ass" - will lecture us all now on "good journalism"? It is a HELL OF A LOT better "journalism" to ask BP to account for all the lies they have spewed so far, instead of harassing an unpaid honest blogger who's only fault has been to try and keep us all up to date with BP's CRIMINAL actions HELL OF A LOT BETTER than the MSM. For an incompetent PR SHILL like you, whatever BP's paying you, it's clearly too much.
Your BP short didn't go so well today huh? Oh well, you always got gold.
I have never defended BP or the MSM.
I find it the height of hypocrisy though, that you do not hold your chosen venue of receiving "the truth" (ie. bloggers) to the same standard that you hold everyone else to.
As to "good journalism", you wouldn't know it if it hit you in the face, obviously.
I find it extremely odd that NO ONE ELSE questioned GW's false assertion that all of the Exxon Oil Spill workers had died. And when I did question it, I was junked and accused of being a BP shill.
If that is your way of thanking me for getting you exposed to the real truth, YOU'RE WELCOME Gekko.
Now go sell some gold, BITCH!
Uh I thought I saw some fissures in the sea floor not far from from the well hole therefore
I WILL SHORT after this little runup !
Yeah, right. C'mon Rockford everybody knows you're a BP SHILL.
Why? Just because Ricki Ott says so? In fact, I find it extremely odd that instead of letting GW obtain the retraction (if indeed there was to be one) from the original source, you told GW to contact a person - a person that has NO RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER to Ms Kennedy - that YOU KNEW in advance would refute Ms. Kennedy's claim.
Oh poor Mr. Rockford. Is BP not paying you enough?
Yeah, I'm wasting my time on a BP oil spill thread battling shills and morons like you to...ummm...well...sell Gold.
If you think all the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill workers are dead, then I think the "moronity" of those involved in this discussion is quite evident.
Thanks, Jim.
Things that get junked on ZH:
- going long
- a positive outlook
- honesty
- the truth
Jim - I'm on your side.
The reporting here is fox news esque
Score one for Mr. Rockford! I retract and apologize:
Corexit was used in the response to the Exxon Valdez oil spill.
Note: Kerry Kennedy claimed on CNN that almost all of the cleanup crew working on the Exxon Valdez oil spill are now dead, and that the average life expectancy for an Exxon Valdez oil spill worker is around 51 years, 26.9 fewer years than the average American.
I wrote to Dr. Ricki Ott - marine toxicologist who has repeatedly spoken out for the health of gulf cleanup workers and wildlife - to ask whether Kennedy's statement was correct.
I received the following reply from Dr. Ott's personal assistant:
My goal is to spread truth, and if it is pointed out that something I have written is not supported by evidence, I will promptly correct or retract.
If you took a quote from CNN, and stated that was the source for your info it is valid. the mistake then becomes cnn for not fact checking. Cnn should be considered a legit news source. if the source is some random blogger that is a different story
I don't consider CNN a valid source. At best it is a spotlight for the "puppet master's" theatrics.
You don't need to apologize or retract anything GW - not right now anyways. How do we know Ricki Ott is not mistaken? And how did Mr. Rockford know exactly which person to point you towards (indeed, somebody who Mr. Rockford knew would deny that claim) even though she is totally unrelated to Ms. Kennedy (who made the original claim)? Unless Ms Kennedy herself refutes the statement she made and/or Ricki Ott present conclusive evidence that Ms Kennedy was wrong, any retraction is a mistake.
You really are something (I'm to be nice).
I knew by going here >>>> #462292
If you will follow that thread, you will see a quote from (and a link to) a letter that she wrote to Waxman. And for the record, I don't know her, never met her, and never heard of her until Truont posted the links to her youtube appearances, etc.
Hey Jim,
you are now being an ass. you question George, he answers, and does the right thing. IN general he does good work and everyone makes mistakes.
then when someone questions you you take a hissy fit. gekko asked legit questions. You we doing the same thing. if you can't take others treating you the way you treat people you have no right to make commnets.
Gekko finds it easier to claim I am a BP shill than to confront his own ignorance. I stand by my claim that I have never defended BP or the MSM, yet he and others continue to make the claim nonetheless. As we know, when a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth. IF I have defended BP or the MSM then offer SOME PROOF or keep speculation out of it. As to GW, I stayed on him repeatedly to find the real truth to the preposterous rumor about all the EVOS workers being dead, after all HE is the journalist who "wants to spread truth". There are some REAL stories to be told that do not vioalate the laws of science and logic. In my opinion GW has not dedicated his blog to telling them. I think it's ironic that when the SHTF, guys like me that have a reloading bench at home and understand the basic fluid mechanics that take place in a milkshake with a soda straw will likely survive while most of you idiots will be running around in panic mode chasing dragons. But that's a choice YOU have made. Good luck with it.
I've written to Kennedy also. I'll post her response when I receive it.