This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
BP plc And The Administration Replace First Amendment With $40,000 Fine And Class D Felony
CNN's Anderson Cooper, one of the few people who apparently hasn't or isn't leaving the troubled news network (surely Ted Turner has learned by now from CNBC that his female anchors should wear transparent body suits, show belly button deep cleavage, and install a stripper pole or seventeen for those ever more elusive Nielsen points), reports some troubling developments out of New Orleans. "The coast guard today announced new rules keeping photographers, reporters and anyone else from coming within 65 feet of any response vessel or booms, out on the water or on beaches. In order to get closer you need to get direct permission from the coast guard captain of the Port of New Orleans. Shots of oil on beaches with booms - stay 65 feet away. Pictures of oil soaked booms useless laying in the water because they haven't been collected like they should. You can't get close enough to see that. And believe me, that is out there. But you only know that if you get close to it, and now you can't without permission. Violators could face a fine of $40,000 and class D felony charges. The coast guard tried to make the exclusion zone 300 feet before scaling it down to 65 feet." While Cooper's conclusion is spot on, "we are not the enemy here, those of us down here trying to accurately show what is happening down here, we are not the enemy. If we can't show what is happening, warts and all, no one will see what is happening, and that makes it very easy to hide failure and hide incompetence", it doesn't matter, and little by little, nothing else matters, except for what the administration, the Fed, and the megacorps think it is in America's best interest to be able to see, hear, read, do, and what assets they have, where they can invest... especially if all this is done in conjunction with maxing out yet another credit card to buy the latest and greatest weekly edition of the iPhone.
h/t Arnoldsimage
»
- 23498 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
Democracy, bitches.
Since when can the Coast Guard make laws? What law would I break if I decided to walk up and take a closer look. I am tempted, oh, I am tempted to go take a closer look. Fine arrest me . . . for what . . . walking down the beach. What are the charges?
Rebel quit yer yellin. 65 feet is nearly close enough to smack that vanderbilt pussy. Theres nothing you can shoot here that you cant shoot from 65 feet. Back the fuck up. These ambulance chasers like to stick their camera right up in your shit. Back the fuck up.
OK. It was all talk. I was not really going to go down and get arrested.
Keep yellin' Rebel. You are right.
Agree. Any decent photographer with a 200mm+ lens (which is anyone who would be there) can get plenty of detail on just about anything from 65 feet.
So sorry. The first amendment applies to everyone, not just those with the clownbux to buy 200 mM lenses. Even us joe schmoes with cheap digital cameras should be able to photo a fouled fowl and put it on our lame ass blog.
Most of the media will go along with this violation of fundamental freedoms because the spill arriving onshore reflects badly on The Won.
Initially, The Won miscalculated. He assumed that letting the oil arrive on shore, so that ugly pictures of oiled birds and soiled beaches and wetlands on TV would innundate the new cycle for weeks on end, would help His cause. The public disgust would help Him to force passage of Cap and Trade, and to villify oil companies, capitalism, and our energy supply chain generally. This monstrosity of a scarcity-enhancing, tax raising scheme key would help insert the government into absolutely everything, weakening the private sector terribly. That's the goal of this Alinskyite statist radical, on every question in every domain of life.
But that pre-prepared narrarative backfired on Him big time. By the time the oil arrived on shore it became plausible that His administration had been actively thwarting effective action, not just clowning about ineffectively as we've come to expect that famously real-world-experience-free bunch of academics, ideologues, and nasty cutthroat politicians to do.
That's not the point.
I would like to see NASA's spectral analyses of the region. We only get to see what the naked eye already knows...from waaaaaay back. But they won't show us the good stuff.
Every great photo relies on perspective. If something is lying flat, or half-buried in the sand, said perspective is too oblique to be affecting.
Cooper should go down there with a P&S, get some macro shots, get arrested, maybe a black-eye, a lawsuit, a Pulitzer... the potential boggles the noodle.
but every naked celebrity clam shot gets snapped up by TMZ and yet no one can get close to the biggest spill ever?
do we have to move the spill to Hollywood to get some coverage??? drop Lidsey Lohan in the middle of it?
Agreed. This is a profound admission of journalistic ineptitude. Sorry, Anderson -- but real reporting doesn't consist of an organized event in the rose garden.
Anyone who can't take a decent shot from 65 feet shouldn't be holding a camera.
And anyone who can't figure out how to get close to something covering thousands of square miles is officially brain-dead. Generations of journalists have figured out ways to "get the shot" despite overwhelming odds.
And despite these regulations, I promise you countless bloggers will walk right up to coated birds, sunken booms and oil-soaked beaches and snap photos with their $100 pocket cams. I'm sure CNN can figure out a way to do the same, otherwise they'll just have to start raiding the blogosphere for the photos they can't figure out how to get.
It's not about whether or not a journalist, armed with top-caliber tools of the trade, can do his job! It's about PRINCIPLE and about the whittling away of the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment was enacted to prohibit government censorship. Government censorship is becoming increasingly more blatant. The PTB don't care whether or not we know we are being censored any more. Welcome to the fascist state.
I completely agree with you about the fact that there is massive systemic erosion of civil rights: wiretapping, lack of due process, illegal search and seizure, loss of personal freedoms, habeas corpus, etc. I'm just not sure I'm seeing it here. This is a disaster area. Shuting down disaster areas under martial law has been common practice for a long time. Is that considered an erosion of personal freedoms? Maybe. But I personally don't think so. This *is* an emergency, and control of the area *is* needed. The 65 feet rule seems to me like it's not exactly restrictive of journalistic coverage, and seems intended to provide a zone in which emergency vehicles and workers can work efficiently. (Now granted, it sounds like there are some very, very serious fuckups happening... and I'm glad they're getting harped on). Maybe I'm missing something, but 65 feet doesn't seem like a very wide perimeter at all. I can easily shoot an oil covered gull with a telephoto lens at 65 feet. Nature photographers, paparazzi, sports photographers, etc. are constantly placed under those kinds of restrictions -- and seem to report just fine. And we all know that this rule will be violated constantly anyway, by endless numbers of people anyway...
Popo, I think I understand your argument. But do you not see the fundamental problem -- to have a 65' perimeter, one must have someplace to measure those 65 feet FROM. Now, who do you think will get to draw THAT line? And what if that line is already 1000 feet away from the oil-covered gull in question?
For frack's sake, as to safety, journalists routinely insert themselves into forward military units where they risk IED's, mortar shells, sniper fire, 3rd world diseased grime, and every awfulness of guerrilla and COIN warfare.
This isn't about safety, in an OSHA sense, this is about avoiding as best as can be achieved publication of ugly pictures of the oil that the Won administration let arrive unimpeded, by delaying and thwarting preventative measures. The Coast Guard isn't doing OSHA's job here. It is doing Rahm Emmanuel's and Barack Obama's bidding.
Sure, there's always an easy rationalization for it in the complete ABSENCE of any evidence proffered that this is a necessary measure.
Just like "Free Speech Zones" at the major conventions.
If the USCG or anyone could marshal some proof that investigative journalists (if they even exist anymore) are actually hampering the cleanup effort by being in the way of the Coast Guard, then there might be some merit. I'm yet to see any because none has been offered.
This is just more creeping "Spin control." Where is Kanye West? The government's response is martial law now and attempts to control information flow. This is the response of fascists, like the Chinese or the Iranians.
Or the us in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Where journalists, both freelance bloggers and network associated, are routinely inserted with frontline troops, under fire. Google Michael Yon (although, notably, he got kicked out lately for being too clear what he thought about NATO contributions and rules of engagement...under the Obama regime).
Of course, so they can control what "journalists" see and report. From the very beginning they banned the showing of military corpses coming home. Would upset the people too much, can't have that now. They learned their lesson from Vietnam, can't have the people see what's really going on.
Well said, Carina.
The First Amendment is part of the overall "Bill of Rights" (for those who are interested, google it!). Over the past 20 years, the US government has deliberately been eroding these rights under the cloak of "National Security." Conspiracy theorists believe that our government’s insistence of “fighting Taliban” has more to do with the Totalitarian movement than with protection of our country under the guise of National Security. As a former military officer, I have to agree, albeit reluctantly. Let’s take a look at what has occurred. The Dubya Bush administration took a giant leap towards fascism by restricting our Bill of Rights when the Patriot Act was enacted.
Under Obama, our civil rights have been eroding with breakneck speed (I’m ashamed to admit that I was a strong supporter of Obama in 2008!). Some people now believe that Obama is deliberately acting on the plan of Cloward & Piven, two socialist professors at Columbia. Their plan identifies a strategy to quickly move the USA to a socialist state by overwhelming the system with wild and excessive government spending, coupled with crazy entitlements. Willing recipients act like a heroine addict getting his next fix; this keeps the masses of sheep “happy” for a while.
Examples of this rapid movement include:
- Lack of due process
- Habeas Corpus (Guantanamo & the Iraq site come to mind here)
- Unauthorized NSA & FBI wiretapping & eavesdropping on American citizens
- Illegal search & seizure
- US Government censorship, whenever access to vital info proves embarrassing to the Administration
Then there are the big Obama initiatives, coming at a time when our country is in a deep recession (or maybe even a soft depression); examples include government controlled universal health care, Cap & Trade, which is nothing more than a scheme to redistribute America’s wealth, etc. Each of these give the federal government greater and greater control (oh, and each is extremely expensive!). If I connect all the dots since Obama has taken office, I gotta agree that Obama is following some kind of deliberate plan; Rohm Emmanuel’s phrase “never let a good crisis go to waste” is very applicable here.
Welcome to the Fascist Totalitarian government of the USA.
I don't know. Maybe you should ask Martin Armstrong?
Yeah, and how he likes his orthodonists.
I am amazed at the strength he has to continue putting out reports. What a hero.
How can they differentiate between 64' 11" and 65' 1"?
With frickin lazer beams?
Sniper range frinders.
Yeah - exactly 65 fucking feet. Not 64. Not 66. Sixty-five. Some numb-nuts Bureaucrat spent a 7.5 hour Gubmint work day to come up with that number and document it with a ream of paper, and earn $400 in the process, plus solid benes.
Screw that joker Obama. Fuck the Gubmint.
To raise money they could set up "boom" traps, sort of like speed traps. You hide the booms in the bushes, and then when someone gets within 65 feet of them you come out and fine them. Brilliant.
Indeed, the Coast Guard should be a revenue center, not some overwrought fancy public safety and border control operation.
Do you think there's a way we could get some of those oily booms to D.C? Maybe one to each side of the Capital bldg. and one in the white house? 65 ft? That's be a lot of jail time. Help out the deficit, too.
"Democracy, bitches."
It's a Republic... bitchez...
It's supposed to be a Constitutional Republic...instead it is clearly an Oligarchy.
Fascism... Bitches
Fascist oligarchy, bitchez.
Agreed papaswamp...
It's only a republic on shredded paper...
The US government is clearly corporate owned (Fascist)... corporate being a tool of elite wealth (Oligarchy)...
I just get tired of the mindless use by politicians and the public of "American democracy", "America spreading democracy" when in fact the contract (constitution) says republic...
Debt peonage... my fellow (Amerikan) bitchez...
Thank you, Happy "Independence Day", July 4, 2010
http://exiledonline.com/a-memorial-day-war-nerd-gettysburg-was-the-finest-fight-ever-in-the-world/#more-23088
To me it's more like a constitutional issue but lots of people like censorship. Lots, and I shit your drive way not about that one.
"lots of people like censorship..."
Free speech does not mean defending your own speech alone. It means you have to defend speech you do not like and the speech of your opponents and enemies.
That piece of justice is lost on a pragmatic, highly propagandized, sloganeering.... rabble.... us.
BTW Scooby: Mondo pile? My dirve way? Pee on my rims?
Can you say ball sack shot? I've got my kids BB gun by the front door for you daaaawwwg...
Steel balls, brother. Steel balls and Tungsten shaft. Sweet dreams....
Sacrilege. The double post feature. Nice!
You and popo sit next to each other or what? Tap Johnny B on the shoulder and say, "BOO!" for me will ya?
Let's go swimming!
http://www.theamericansheeple.com/wpimages/wpe9680814_0f.jpg
Nobody said that your were guaranteed to come out of the water clean. Only oily wet.
So its not a democracy... then what the hell are we fighting the wars for "trying to establish democracy"...spread the freedom. PRC = Peoples Republic of China. They are not a democracy.
You're catching on. Democracy destabilizes governments because it challenges the status quo. Maybe we should have a 'Democracy' movement in this country where the people are heard... Except the CIA doesn't work within OUR borders so it is unlikely that we will have 'Democracy' any time soon. Oh, happy Independence day! (Recently I learned that it was the British Parliament who denied representation (Magna Carta rights) to the colonies. Hmm...
Was a Republic
And still a Republic. Charges are public and open to the public. Can not be inherited, can not be bought or sold.
So yes, still a Republic.
But to know that, you need to know what a republic is.
I swear every time some brainwashed paleolibertarian says something like this I feel like clawing my eyes out. Do you know nothing of the terms you use, nothing of the context of the terms and their perception, and do you know nothing of early U.S. history?
Republic is a completely meaningless term with no special significance. It is essentially a generic term for government. It was popularly used to refer to a system without a monarchy irrespective of the method of governance, including democracies. Democracy was not a narrow term either and would include the U.S. from its inception when one considers the source of the term.
Back home in America, where I come from, it would be different.
The reporter would roll right in with his camera ape and start shooting live, direct to the studio. The Coast Guard would roll out and either beat him up or arrest him.
Then the company he works for would bust some asses and get him out of jail. The trial would be noisy and embarassing for the government.
At the end, they would all agree that Freedom of the Press had ultimately been vindicated and a few people who were unclear on the First Amendment would be set straight. Then we'd all probably join hands and sing Kumbaya or something.
But that's how they would do it where I come from. I'm not there anymore, so I have to learn these new ways as I go along.
Say's all there is to say about Anderson et al...well stated.
Sandi,
Forget "learning these new ways" - how can I/we get back to where you come from?! Sounds like a wondrous nation. I vaguely remember a place like that . . .
Today that Journalist (who probably works for the AP) would get fired directly by Rupert himself for casting a customer (BP) in a bad light. Isn't capitalism and an independent press great?
Tyler is so GD funny. Seriously, he is a gem. Thanks for all you do.
Hey, while we are basing BP and all the other bad, bad boyz out there, do check out:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-how-goldman-gambled-on-starvation-2016088.html
Enough to make your stomach churn!
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
I hope there is a media uproar about this.
I hope I get a Ferrari for Christmas.
i agree, unlikely. remember our media is now owned and operated by the corporatocracy......like they are gonna turn on one of their own? ????
hello?
LOL!!!
FYI: Not me, those Ferrari guys are usual posers who dare not drive their precious lil toys in the rain. Besides, if you love being abused then Ferrari service may be just what the doctor ordered. Think of JPM or GS being your trader yet on 'steroids'. When you bend over remember to bring your own $40/pint Shell lube of course (yes, $40/pint for car oil). Even Jay Leno, huge car enthusiasts and loves many different cars, refuses to buy a Ferrari. He has good reasons.
Thanks! I just shat myself.
The Main Stream Media, owned by, beholden to and embedded with the Power Elite have not yet even hinted at the gradual, methodical, persistent shredding of the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights so diligently pursued by our Defenders of Rights, Preservation of Value of Coin of the Realm and Protectors of Citizen's Freedoms.
Baa Baa Black Sheep, Have You Any Wool?
TJ originally wrote “fellow-subjects,” copying the term from the corresponding passage in the first page of the First Draft of the Virginia Constitution; then, while the ink was still wet on the “Rough draught” he expunged or erased “subjects” and wrote “citizens” over it. The fact that he made the same change in Document I is evidence that he was using that document as the composition text for this part of the Declaration.
http://www.princeton.edu/~tjpapers/declaration/declaration.html#_edn10
-
DirtySouth,
The point IS he erased it. One is conditioned by their surroundings. Kinda like now.
They were ALL British "subjects" before rebelling.
Exactly, it would be like one of us for the first time saying "I live in a free country" and not feeling some weird sense of irony anymore.
The MSM is part of the problem not the solution. It is their job to squirt out the ink to hide what our real masters are doing.
The MSM is part of the problem not the solution. It is their job to squirt out the ink to hide what our real masters are doing.
Which means that someone (most likely our descendants) will have to fight all of those fights all over again because we are all a bunch of girly-men and girly-girls, too pussy to stand up.
I love Anderson Cooper's reporting of this, but to actually--finally--earn his reporter's stripes he should get some video and air it: defy the unlawful restrictions and force the government's hand.
You mean Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper, the former cia intern. I don't buy his schtick. He hasn't done a damn thing about this new rule except publicise it and blame the fall guy, Thad Allen.
"He hasn't done a damn thing about this new rule except publicise it and blame the fall guy, Thad Allen."
Circle gets the square.
Chain of Command?.......whaaaaaa?
Hell, they stole habeas corpus and the media didn't say squat.....
Yeah they did . . . Harper's Weekly, November 9, 1861, back page, below the fold, column one. You can see it here.
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1861/november/lincoln-suspends-habeas-corpus.htm
Wow, MSM was really worked up about it.
Home of the brave. Land of the free!
The land may be free, but the sea, not so much
Home of the slave. Land of the fee.
Thankfully, w/ my new iphone 4 for which I maxed out my Fix it again Tony (Hayward) credit card, there is a telephoto lens & an apps for that!
And don't forget this handy App!
http://gizmodo.com/5564819/duck-vs-bp-iphone-app-has-its-heart-in-the-ri...
Finally something to connect the average sheeple consumer to the true scope of the GoM BP scandal
I'm given her all shes got captain.
That is CRAZY!!
BP and Government prob have no way of actually resolving this situation.. BP is worried about their balance sheets and investors, Gov is prob worried about BP going Bankrupt, and having to cover the BILL WHO KNOWS!.. Whatever the situation, this is another way to buy some time away from the TRUTH.. The government doing what they know how to do best, try and hide the situation and Back the MAJOR CORPs who are always at fault until they are royaly FUCKED in this downward economy!!
Who knows, Maybe this is just another way to CRIPPLE our Economy, A planned attack on AMERICA .. They prob know how to fix the dam thing and dont want to until it would almost be impossible to CLEAN!!
They should have stuck with WHAT they thought was BEST calling themselves BETTER PETROLEUM Looking for a way to make a difference.. Now they are 2 clicks away from clueless.. Half Past a monkeys ass a quarter to your balls away from BANKRUPT!!.
Exactly which administration would that be?
Now why do you suppose they would ban the filming of cleanup activities? Clearly they can't monitor hundreds of miles of seashore.
Actually that's precisely why they imposed this ban. Because this solves the problem of monitoring. If any station or blogger shows film or writes an eyewitness account that is "unauthorized" the presumption is of guilt. After all, you must have been within 65 feet if you have film or a credible account.
This type of action by the "thought police" is becoming quite common folks. The outlawing is never implemented with an outright ban of any deviant thought, just any type of thought that will clearly show events or action contrary to the official story. At least initially. But it soon progresses.
At what point folks are we going to decide "they" have crossed the line? If this keeps up, we will find our balls after they have taken them away. Tick tock folks, time is a wasting.
Who are the THUGS that enforce it? Are they fellow Americans who believe in the First Amendment?
I have always said that when THE TIME arrives these THUGS will already have been assigned a side by We The People.
The excuse of MERELY FOLLOWING ORDERS didn't mitigate the situation for the Nazi thugs at the bottom of the food chain.
It won't work here...
BP's private security force, who apparently have been given authority over the actions of US citizens, plus the US Coast Guard which now seem to answer to BP also. Why? Our goverment can't stop this or reverse the resulting damage. There is no plan B. So all they can do is hide and hope we all lose interest.
But they were on the losing side of a war, and prosecuted by the winners. That's the only way it ever happens. Otherwise "just following orders" is more likely to get you promoted, no matter what those orders were.
I want a pony for Christmas.
Bank at Ally and you may get your government sponsored commercial pony... just don't forget to ask....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GUPY4ZXZMEe
Merry Red Neck Christmas !! peace
CD, I thought this would be of interest to you. What would the US have done were the roles reversed?
Iran will mark the 22nd anniversary of a US missile attack on an Iranian passenger airliner over the Persian Gulf, commemorating those killed by laying flowers at the site of the tragic incident.
On July 3, 1988, the guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes launched two SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles, downing Iran Air Flight 655 destined for Dubai. All 290 passengers onboard were killed, 66 of whom were children.
Iranians including families of those killed in the tragic incident will gather at the site of the incident on Saturday to remember the victims by throwing flowers into the Persian Gulf waters.
A message from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will also be read out during the ceremony.
The US has so far refused to issue an apology, arguing that their naval officers had mistaken the Iranian Airbus A300 for an F-14 Tomcat fighter. Iran, however, has dismissed the justification, saying mistaking an Airbus A300 for an F-14 Tomcat fighter is beyond the bounds of possibility.
The UN Security Council passed a resolution, in which it only expressed "deep distress" over the downing and "profound regret" for the loss of life.
I remember the video of the bodies in
the water. No clothes - every single
one was naked. After seeing that
video a couple of times it was never
shown again.
Why would a commercial jet head
straight at one of our ships at an
attack angle?
I remember that one of the questions raised - charging that Iran staged the photos - was the condition of the bodies. Charges were made that Iran dumped cadavers and staged a photo.
the u.s. paid iran over $60 million. seems a lot for people already dead. however the sailors that shot down the airbus did get medals. and w's daddy said he'd never apologize for the u.s. "no matter what the facts were". so that's something.
And maybe it was a bad idea to be at war with the United States, blowing up its peacekeepers in Beirut, invading its sovereign territory, attacking its allies, and at the time of the incident threatening shipping in international shipping lanes.... That'll make an Aegis equipped ship's crew pretty jumpy.
It is amazing that some dumbshit JUNKS a post that is merely stating a FACT of the incident. A post that DID NOT endorse nor condone, but merely stated a FACT that was expressed and argued by BOTH sides.
THIS type of individual is what is so wrong with the whole damn WORLD.
Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a 13 year old girl in 1997?
With regard to the article, I agree, we need civil disobedience down there to stop the media ban before it's use becomes widespread. With the economy in such a precarious position they have "justification" to try this for any undesirable piece of news.
Sorry it was 1990.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/glenn-beck-rape-murder-hoax
12 Glenn Beck fans! lol.
"Did Glenn Beck Rape And Murder A Young Girl In 1990 is an internet hoax and a grassroots smear campaign that began as an extreme satire of Mr. Beck’s over-the-top interview tactics on his self-titled TV show Glenn Beck, wherein he frequently asks his guests to disprove highly speculative and often outrageous assertions."
From knowyourmeme.com
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/342373/iran_air_flight_655_civilians_killed_by_the_u_s/
Death by a thousand cuts.
"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men." -Samuel Adams
I dejunk you sir/. Who in hell would junk this? govt. even infiltrated zero hedge i guess
For a long time Nixon never thought the truth would come out.
It didn't, until it did.
I've been intrigued that the bill giving Obama an 'internet-kill' switch hasn't gotten more publicity. It does seem like the gov noose is tightening on information, perhaps in preparation for some bad news on the GoM, or a planned regional conflict.
What makes it more intriguing to me is that it shows ZH isn't aware the enemy has targeted them or ZH isn't aware that they've made enemies at all. I'm confident that once ZH looks over its shoulder it will recognize a direct attack is coming.
What comments have the ZH Team, not posters, made that make you think they are not aware?
None. But that's just it.
Look, I think most of us know that there is a very real possibility in the near future that we won't be able to access this website legally. The way things are headed, it almost seems like more a matter of when, unless the resistance also keeps picking up. Amid a growing number of alternatives views becoming labeled as threats to security and being criminalized, I wonder if ZH is a bit overly bullish about its own existence.
If you see a guy behind you who seems to keep pointing a gun at you, should you keep walking or stop and look?
Just wondering. Don't know for sure what I'd do.
And if you're in a crowded room, you might try to get the attention of others. If your case is just, this can be your greatest asset.
I am no kind of military professional (though heaven knows I study the stuff), but it seems to me that, in that situation "none of the above" is the answer. If you think you see a mortal threat, it's a tactical situation - you flee or you fight.
House rules then, and I don't think fleeing's an option at fight club.
They'll fight.
Remind your uninvited associate/s that fight club lives... (:
The strangest things can happen from rappin, when
Niggas get wrapped up in image and acting,
Niggas get capped up and wrapped in plastic,
Zipped up in bags when it happens, that's it.....
But everywhere that I go
I got people I know (The watcher)
Who got people they know
So I suggest you lay low (I watch).....
I ain't no bitch neither.
It's either my life or your life,
And I ain't leaving, I like breathing.
Nigga we can go round for round,
Clip for clip, shit, fo'-pound for pound.
- Dr. DRE
peace Doc
J.A.F.O.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqchRpH_eDM
Clik the safety off the one in my beltline?
If he hasn't shot yet he must want something. That's your window of opportunity to assess whether or not it is a firearm and put a bullet between his eyes.
But you can't do that if you are a slave. Slaves don't protect themselves or understand their rights. Citizens are armed. The 2nd Amendment is the only civil right that must be excercised on the spot or it becomes meaningless.
Under the assumption that your query is for real, ZH has done all it could to protect itself from the jurisdiction and legal authority of USGOV. If they choose to take it to the next level and assign 'black' assets against the site, the site would likely go down, perhaps its facilitators may escape detection. At least not all of them would go down at the same time. Do you really think it would be prudent to broadcast the details of the plans they may or may not have made for such a possibility (eventuality)?
Point taken. I also just realized that I was about to say more articles on topics such as... oh, this article that I'm posting under, would be the way to go. So, yeah, uhm, keep up the good work, ZH!
Simple. Base ZH out of the NEW America.....Iceland. They seem to GET the whole 1st Amend. thing.
+1
That new political party there is classic....
Yes!
"Look, I think most of us know that there is a very real possibility in the near future that we won't be able to access this website legally."
ZH might need to consult counsel about the DISCLOSE act. I mean, the bloggers running this site are anonymous, and some seriously dark criticisme of The Won, the fed, particular Congresscritters, dipshit and corrupt regulators, and various Party animals appears in both the articles and the comments here. Maybe the DISCLOSE act will effectively mute this site 60 days before federal elections...two frickin' months of monopoly propaganda time for approved media outlets, unions, and the NRA alone(they got an exemption too), to say what they want, with minimal backtalk from the unannointed little people.
Obama to the Media - "You loving me now?"
Media to Obummer: "The polls say...'You ain't DICK.' "
A changeling you can believe in
We love ya CC.
Maybe it's time for a Tiananmen Square/Kent State moment when a 1000, 5000, or even 10000 concerned citizens gather and march their way right down to the shore's edge. Let power show its ugly head and thus break its grasp.
Of course, I would rather have a ferrari, too.
That's an excellent idea. I suspect the line forms right behind you. Everyone needs to take some kind of action. May I suggest you back up your idea with action?
let me know when and where and I will meet you there. I'll go first.
"May I suggest you back up your idea with action?"
The Amerikan public has not eaten a big enough shit sandwich yet for action, CD.
Don't worry... Wall Street and the puppet government they own are making a sub sized giant shit sandwich called the:
"Next TBTF Bankster Bailout and Wall Street Looting Shit Sub" for Amerika as we speak...
I envision oil-soaked, coughing protesters with a Pyhrric victory at hand.
They can have the beaches. They murdered the Gulf - it cannot naturally support the population any longer. Whether or not there is widespread toxic, flammable rain and every other associated looming disaster far inland I see the psychological backbone of proud Southern resistance snapped in two - intentionally.
That is said with deep sorrow and anger. Contaminated food source = gov't intervention. Secure for yourself an independent food source now or you will be at the total mercy of your enemy.
Join us in the Rockies if you can. I wish American citizens, willing to defend their freedom at any cost, the best in these hard times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpJVELKPPM
it would be a great thing if everyone began to let that truth sink in, past the layers of anger & helplessness, deep enough to hit that primal survival sweet spot. . . it's way past time to wake up.
alarm call bitches.
Maybe it's time for a ...
The time for doing anything is gone. And it won't be back. They are doing this because they can. And there is nothing any of us can do about it. Photographs are one of the few things left that can actually motivate voters. Recent administrations have learned well the lessons of the 1960s and Vietnam pictures and will never again relinquish control of the photo op.
The government has learned that it can pretty much do whatever it wants to, so long as the corporate campaign donors are OK with it. I don't see this ever changing.
OTOH, what can the government hide from reporters at 65 feet? That seems a reasonable distance to ensure that reporters don't come into contact with any of the killer crude. The story would have a different sense to it if they banned reporters and photographers outright.
"The time for doing anything is gone"
I wonder about this too. No need to take a symbolic stand, and get in trouble. Keep your head down, and off the radar screen. Use your time and energy to becoming self sufficient, developing a network of trusted friends, and hunker down and wait for the system to collapse under its own weight.
The problem is, will the system collapse under its own weight, or will it gradually continue to usurp power, diminish individual rights, and suck more resources from the people.
I am genuinely torn on the issue.
They have effectively banned reporters and photographers. Read Cog. Diss. above. Go ahead and show pictures of the gulf. Just make damn certain you can prove you were more than 65 feet away.
In a fascist state, there are 2 sets of laws, one for too big to fail, and one for the too small to save. The system will fall apart when there is no money to pay the forces of repression, because all productivity will have been destroyed, and there is no more money to squeeze out of the wage slaves.
The Soviet Union showed it can go on a long time. I know they were not fascist, but about the same deal you are talking about.
Actually, they kinda Were fascist - the differences between fascism and cimmunism are mostly theoretical constructs, concocted when the Soviet-style (allegedly inter-national) socialists ofund their lunch being eaten (popularity wise) by the national socialists. I would believe the book "Liberal Fascism", has a section on this.
Please explain how the state aided PRIVATE enterprise in the Soviet Union?
Totalitarian is not the same as Fascist.
I think Armand Hammer made out quite well, and Ford, and GE
Remember, the rules for the elites are always different than for the serfs, regardless of which system in use
see "Animal Farm" for a good metaphor
while I tend towards agreement that there is nothing that can be done to "save" what people tend to regard as "the US", or amrkn "democracy" or whatever - it IS within the power of everyone, today, right this moment, to seek out the truth of what is happening, and share it with others. . . we DO have the opportunity to re-cognise and purge culturally conditioned "points of view" and call a halt to the endless trash that passes for day to day "living". . .
we are not helpless unless we believe we are.
My adult daughter puts her fingers in her ears and sings la-la-la-la every time I try to discuss this with her. She says it makes her anxious, she has young children and she doesn't want to think about it. She and her husband go about their merry way spending every dime they can get their hands on. We live in a large metropolitan area. They are all going to die, and so am I because I can't leave them.
I know what it is you are saying, and my opinion is you can't "discuss" with people who are not ready to "listen" - unfortunately, denial is built in to this system, and is heavily subsided by everything that benefits in the scavenging. . .
the best you can hope for is to not try to lead through convincing arguments, but by example. . . whatever that might mean to you. . . "large metro area" - do you have a lawn? dig it up, front and back, and plant a food garden. . . get some chickens for the back garden, their manure helps make excellent organic compost. . . some metro areas allow for a single goat, or similar. . . there are sooo many blogs available now to give you something tangible to "do" while you're daughter is on her trajectory towards the wall. . . and it will happen, she'll bottom out and need "help" - if you're not in a position to "leave" then make ready to "stay". . .
peace, and good luck.
Thanks. Can't do chickens or goats or gardens in a townhouse, but I have done what I can, with rice and beans, etc. Good luck to you too.
hmmm, yes, you definitely have to think further afield then. . . I don't know where you live, but if you have a farmers market, you might look into the availability of a CSA nearby - community supported agriculture - basics are you sign up to work for "x" hours a week, in exchange for a box of whatever is harvested weekly. . .
and even if that's not an option, finding others with land & gardens, lending your support in creative ways, it's good to make connections with people and cultivate trust, before things get more in-tense. . .
food - and water! - storage is also smart, and you're onto that. . . I can recommend reading here: http://www.energybulletin.net/start - lots of different bloggers with information.
again, all the best to you.
... we are not helpless unless we believe we are.
I was not talking theory, I was talking reality when I said the time for doing anything is gone. How successful do you think anybody is going to be getting pictures inside of 65 feet without permission? Helpless. How successful is anybody going to be at shutting down Bank of America? Helpless. How successful do you think anybody is going to be in getting Monsanto to stop altering the genetics of the food crops? Helpless. And on and on with other examples.
The early American colonists did not build the life they wanted by taking over England. Because they couldn't. Helpless. The got the life they wanted by going somewhere else. We as citizens have nothing that will overcome the might of the U.S. military (including the Coast Guard) as it carries out the will of big business as expressed through the Executive Branch. Helpless. We couldn't even start a civil war now like we used to be able to do. It would be shut down before it reached critical mass.
This ain't your great-grandpa's America anymore. But then, our country and government have been morphing constantly since Day 1. If you want to start over, your only chance is to go find some empty land that has nobody living on it, like the English settlers did.
your "helpless-ness" comes in choosing targets that are not going to be changed - it's like upthread wishing for xmas cars - fun to imagine, but not within the realm of possibility.
"anything"??? no possibility to do anything? for the record, I don't need to see pictures of the Gulf disaster to know it's devastation - I already know this. I don't need to shut down Bank of America, I don't do business with them (or any of their counterparts). . . Monsanto? been shouting about them for years - nothing I can do about their mass-murdering corporate policy, beyond keeping others up to date on all I know. . . why do you choose targets that you have zero control over? that's a serious question.
amrka doesn't "need" a civil war, it's done, there's no rescue for the world model that is in place - there is only adapting to survival, if one chooses to attempt to survive. . . the quest for "empty land that has no one living on it" is sooo last century (unless you are one of the monied class) - all the map lines are drawn & staked & owned, all the nests have been shat in.
so NOW what do you want to do?
The original point to which I was responding was the issue of civilians being able to shape their Federal government. It was a response to Nobody's post upthread about maybe it is time for us to have our own Tiananmen Square moment. My point is that the time when those moments could have any effect on the Federal government is long past. Therefore, we are ... helpless before the juggernaut of corporate>Federal desire. I concede that we still have some control over what to plant in our own personal plot of ground / flower pots. But I wasn't addressing that issue.
There was a time when a band of armed neighbors could fend off intruders and protect their way of life. There was a time when states stood up to the Federal government to protect their sovereignty. My point was, those days are gone. We make a big deal about the right to bear arms, as though that will allow us to defend ourselves against the intrusion of the state or Federal levels. We used to be able to. We can't any more. (States are letting corporations kick Americans off of beaches that Americans own. Of what value is the ability to own a weapon in this situation? We gonna go down there and take back what is rightfully ours? Helpless.) As individuals, we can carve out a niche within a system we don't like. We no longer have the ability to change the system. We used to have that ability.
To use an analogy from a different discipline, you are discussing ways of being a better patient. I am referring to the patient getting well/cured. We used to be able to do that (as a young nation). We can't anymore. But then, I'm comparing the population of 13 colonies against the population of the United States now. Probably not a fair comparison. But then, if you buy that, you lose the argument that allowing everyone to bear arms makes a difference. Early Americans fashioned a nation in the manner that they desired. We have no influence now over the nation. Helpless.
Finally, I said: ... go find some empty land that has nobody living on it, like the English settlers did.
You said: the quest for "empty land that has no one living on it" is sooo last century ... all the map lines are drawn & staked & owned, ...
Was that not also true at the time the English settlers went looking for a place to create the government they wanted? I was too subtle in my attempt to make a point. This is probably better. I saw some American Indians holding up a sign that said: America - Fighting Terrorism since 1492.
The way you see, the way you talk, the way you think, the way you spend....all under US government control. Kinda shit you would see China do. Does anyone know any websites posting uncensored photographs and videos of the spill (other than youtube)? It is actually quite difficult to google such sites now.
This site has some good (sad) pics and vids:
http://www.theamericansheeple.com/specialpublication.html
Go to the "reporters note" at the bottom right.
BP = BHO's Pal
I think there was some stuff on cryptome.org a while back.
DocLogo,
You always make little tiny comments. You are going to have to jump in one of these days and let 'er rip. Don't worry, no one bites.
BP-Axe-Video 2 AU 60 Minutes Oil Spill Video Axed by BP Part 2 June 27, 2010 YouTube
bp-axed-video.zip AU 60 Minutes Oil Spill Video Axed by BP Full June 27, 2010 (9.8MB)
The media will read from their teleprompters as they are directed. We will always be the last to know. Reminds me of North Korea's info blackout!
Independence Day, Bitches!
+10
It's Red Neck Christmas.. Now, I hope you can enjoy an adult beverage and smoke some food, fireworks and yourself if ya so desire...
Unintelligible much?
Every chance I get, to those afflicted with consumption of blue pills. Fresh newbie fish !! Too bad you seem to feel as if you must be so serious all the time while you rub the sand man from your eyes.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Click. Line out. Must still be residing in the land of the Gerbervores.. Try learning what the junk button is all about here fresh fish... before you feel the buzz from sticking the scissors into the light socket without adult supervision...
OOps, I just noticed your Avatar.. explains your quest for nip nip much more than smoking yourself or blaming it all on the sand man would have. You have my apologies for suggesting an adult beverage. Clearly inappropriate. I suggest you attempt to embrace life.. or free speech at least if the thought of being forced from your nice warm cave is just too scary for your imagination at present.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/The_Voyage_of_Life-_C...
I wouldn't go back now for any amount of money (or anything else) - Miles Kendig