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BP's Bankruptcy Would Impair 117 (18% Of Total) Collateralized Synthetic Obligations, Lead To Pervasive Losses

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Even as increasingly desperate falling knife catchers try to convince someone, anyone to buy up some or all of their shares of BP stock, which is certainly on its way to a guaranteed doubling, tripling or more, the real investing community is ever more carefully looking at the worst case, and its implications. Said implications would be vast, and in addition to wiping out billions in capital from BPs direct counterparties which are already limiting their BP exposure, a topic we touched upon briefly previously, would also impair indirect holders of pre-packaged securitized BP exposure. Today Moody's provides an analysis of which CSOs (just like CDOs but packed purely with synthetic products - think Goldman's Abacus) would be impaired should BP go bankrupt. The rating agency does not stop there, and also analyzes what a bankruptcy of BP peers Halliburton, Anadarko Petroleum, Transocean Inc., and Cameron International would look like, and who would be wiped out. Below are the results, which upon further analysis will likely indicate total loss potential well beyond BP's total outstanding debt exposure.

As the recent civil case involving Goldman and the Abacus (and soon potentially others) CDO showed, collateralized products have a special place in the heart of the regulators, due to their avalanche quality of blowing up seemingly completely unrelated entities, which share merely the stupidity of having invested in the same entity. BP, as a company with over $20 billion in debt outstanding, has over the years, seen many of its CDS packaged and repackaged in the form of many and increasingly more complex CSOs. Last week's blow out in BP spreads, in which the 1 Year CDS surged beyond 1,000 bps, has got many people concerned: the least of which are counterparties that are on the other side of the short risk trade. Others include investors in just such CSOs, and other companies whose CDS comprises various tranches in these synthetic obligations, as forced liquidations in any given CSO would result in the blow out spreads in even perfectly solvent companies who just have the displeasure of being packaged in one and the same CSO.

Moody's summarizes:

In the event of BP’s restructuring or bankruptcy, CSO transactions
referencing BP or its affected subsidiaries may experience what is
called a “credit event.” If the credit event occurs, the CSO
transactions will have to meet their payment obligations to the
protection buyers, which will result in the loss of subordination to
the rated CSO tranches. In cases where the subordination is no longer
available, CSO investors will incur the loss.

The rater elaborates:

Last week, credit default swap (CDS) spreads on BP plc widened to all-time highs, reflecting the mounting costs of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and the ensuing rating actions. BP’s credit deterioration is in turn a credit negative for collateralized synthetic obligation (CSO) transactions that reference BP or the companies involved in the Gulf incident.

Rising Costs of the Spill. After almost two months of unsuccessful attempts to stop the worst oil spill in history, BP is potentially facing billions in containment, clean-up, and litigation costs. It is unclear what these expenses will ultimately amount to over the coming years, as the assessment of the damage is just beginning.

BP Downgraded, CDS Spreads Widen. Our recent downgrade and placement on watch for further possible downgrade of BP and its guaranteed subsidiaries reflects intensified risk that the extended oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will significantly siphon the company’s free cash flows. Spreads on BP’s credit default swaps rose as much as 124.5 basis points (bp) in one day to a record 630.6 bp as of 16 June 2010. BP’s debt maturing next year recently traded at distressed levels, and there is a growing concern among credit investors over a scenario where BP plc might default.

So which CSOs should readers be very concerned if they have these among their holdings? Below is the list:

We reviewed our entire universe of outstanding CSOs and determined that exposure to BP and its rated subsidiaries appears in 117 (excluding CSOs backed by CSOs) transactions, which represents approximately 18% of global Moody’s-rated CSOs. Exposure ranged from 0.26% to 2% of the respective reference portfolios. The transaction with the largest exposure to BP and its subsidiaries is Arosa Funding Limited – Series 2005-5.

Restructuring or Bankruptcy of Other Oil Companies Involved in the Spill Also Affects CSOs. In addition, we assessed Moody’s-rated CSO exposure to the other four companies and their subsidiaries that were involved in the Gulf of Mexico incident, which are Halliburton, Anadarko Petroleum, Transocean Inc., and Cameron International. Halliburton appears in 43 CSOs, Anadarko Petroleum appears in 28 CSOs, Transocean Inc. appears in 79 CSOs, and Cameron International appears in 6 CSOs. We recently changed the credit outlooks for Transocean and Anadarko Petroleum, as well as their rated subsidiaries, to negative from stable because of uncertainties related to the companies’ involvement in the Gulf of Mexico incident and potential financial liabilities associated with it. The CSOs referencing one or more of these issuers would face credit event consequences in a scenario where any of them restructures or enters bankruptcy.

The exhibit below lists CSOs (excluding CSOs backed by CSOs) with over 3% exposure to the five companies involved in the Gulf of Mexico incident.

 

We will collect information on Arosa 2005-5 as well as the top three consolidated CSO, Dundee Series 45, Delaware 2004-34, and Orso Trust 1, as something tells us due to unrelated losses, the securitizations are already largely impaired. Should BP go down it will, on a diluted basis, wipe out many more pro rata billions in value once protection sellers scramble to cover margin and collateral calls. Add the other drilling usual suspects, and the losses could amount well into the hundreds of billions. We hope to have this analysis in advance of a possible BP chapter 11 to hopefully prevent investors from finding out they owe money only after the fact.

 


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Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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oooo....Max Keiser broke rule one, and rule two on Jones today.

http://www.youtube.com/user/fairinfowar#p/c/807444ACD7536CC8/16/ugIrG1kIbZ0

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:09 | Link to Comment velobabe
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what rule number one.

my rule one for max keiser,

is never let them use those stupid still pictures of you again,

M A X, while your audio is playing.

in a trench coat getting out of a taxi.

rule #2, always look your best, consult your handler first,

cause you are

H O T       H O T      H O T      H O T†

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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hahaha! 

Oh, and here, but you know I know you know, but here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agi8PUmlAKU

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 12:59 | Link to Comment velobabe
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no i didn't know.

actually not up on a lot fight club. except the actors are all hot†

takes me a while, so little helpers like your video's, i enjoy.

definitely my rule is #6.

have the rules printed out and up on my wall.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Implicit simplicit
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This might be one of the main forces in the underground radio network when Bama boy pulls the plug.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:16 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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Shit dude Alex already is. I have been listening to Alex since I read his analysis of the Patriot Act back in 2001. I had to write a paper on it for a class. I could not believe what was in that bill. Bought every god damned film the guy had out in 2001 immediately. About 8 or 9 at the time. That is when I woke up. His documentaries blew my mind. I realized that I had been lied to my whole life. And at the time I was just going back to college for a second time. Discovering Alex changed my whole perspective on things. Just as Zero Hedge has done the same on investing, the machinations of the markets, economics, politics etc. I am so glad I discovered this site. This site and its authors and members have educated me so much. (Thanks everyone!) :)

Alex has grown by leaps and bounds. Just from what I have gleened from what he says about his IT infrastructure costs (I'm in the biz or was /sarcasm off) it sounds like he has put a lot of money into his transition to the digital media age. I have seen him go from just a couple of web sites to now I think at least a half dozen.

As mentioned above the archives used to be pay ($10 a month), now free. He has podcasts and live streams 24 hours a day on the www.infowars.com site. GCN is really good about offering their radio programs/archives for free too. Archives of all their shows go back many years. The only problem I have is I wish to Christ they would list the guests he has on each day in the archives. That would be so helpful (same with GCN too) 

And then he moved to an extra premium pay site www.prisonplanet.tv (all of www.infowars.com is free and the other sites too) and made all his movies accessible by subscription also many by others and videocasts of his show plus other stuff too. Pretty cheap subscription for a year too I might add. Though, you can see most of his movies on Google or You Tube now for free.

He's done damn near 20 documentaries too. His next one is supposed to be about chemtrails. (Endgame, the Police State series (4 of them), 9/11: The Road To Tyranny, Martial Law, Masters Of Terror and Matrix of Evil are all awesome). He is meticulous about the sourcing of his info too. He also sells t-shirts (some really good ones), videos, books, stickers etc. on his site which helps pay for all of the stuff he does. A lot from other people too. Leo if you are reading this you would be very interested in the documentary Comprehensive Finanical Reports another good one but they are all worth watching many times over. He also is open about duplicating the movies and getting them out to as many people as possible.

He is using for sure Facebook but he has welcomed the Web 2.0 technologies so his articles etc. can be posted on the Web 2.0 sites. He also has grown his reporters to I think about 5 that write stories for him regularly. He is also building a TV studio to speed up making his own documentaries and help more documentary makers develop their films. Like Jason Bermas of Loose Change and Invisible Empire fame. Additionally he has grown his staff too.

I hear Alex has a big ego and he does tend to pat himself on the back a lot on his program. But the dude really deserves to do it some. He can be really sarcastic though when talking about the NWO and the shit is so comical especially when he talks in his funny voices. But he gets awesome guests like Max (monthly), Bob Chapman (weekly), Ron Paul (at least monthly) Gerald Celente, Dave Mustaine, Jesse Ventura, Charlie Sheen, Paul Craig Roberts, Joseph Stiglitz, politicians, economists, etc. gosh just so many. It's really fascinating to see the development of his show and the growth especially in this era of a mainstream media that doesn't talk about a lot of what Alex discusses.

Basically, there is Alex Jones, and everyone else. I guess I mainly mean in alt/underground radio. Jeff Rense' site is pretty damned good too and his radio guests are awesome. Topics from UFOs to finance to politics to Nikola Tesla. Great, great stuff. www.rense.com

I guess the reason I mention this is Alex has started posting many stories from Zero Hedge at his site. I think I learned of Zero Hedge from a Porter Stansberry e-mail but shortly after that, articles started being posted on www.infowars.com

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Implicit simplicit
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Thanks for the RX Doc. I have saved them to my favorites.

Another guy that helps keep things in perspective is Hugh Smith over at "Of  Two Minds"

http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

"Doom and gloom is only valuable if it works in a positive fashion to dispel and dismantle destructive half-truths, frauds, embezzlements, propaganda and misinformation designed to serve and protect the fiefdoms of the status quo."

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 23:45 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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A side note about the DVD's for sale on Alex's site: Many of them are on sale right now for $5 and $10. You can get all 18 of his DVD's for $170. A real bargain if you ask me for the amount of information that you are getting. And most of his DVD's are over 2 hours. A couple clock in at 3 hours+. So, if anyone is interested in buying some, now is a pretty good time for deals on his site.

http://www.infowarsshop.com/Exclusive-Alex-Jones-Movies_c_1.html

Another really good one is the DVD with interviews with Aaron Russo. Russo made some noise with his documentary America: Freedom To Fascism - which is awesome! He has some interesting info that one of the Rockefellers told him. Unfortunately Russo past away in 2007. A little known fact is that Russo invented bikini panties for women. And cross dressers. LOL. He should be given a Nobel Peace Prize just for that alone! :)

The dude lived an interesting life to say the least!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Russo

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:17 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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Alex also said that Max is getting his own show on www.gcnlive.com I guess it is Saturdays at 9 AM Central. Should be good. I like that GCN Live has free archiving. I used to pay $10 a month for that for about 4 years or so. Then they made it free! Anyway archived for you listening pleasure.

I love when Max is on. He cracks me up. Especially the way he can't believe all the stuff that is going on.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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How does Max have time for all his shows?  TV+Radio he has about a dozen!  Maybe he cloned himself?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:12 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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I don't know man. It sounded like his BBC show is no longer. But I am glad he is doing all his shows. I haven't watched a whole lot on his site but I have watched when people post links here to good video on Max's site (like Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff recently). I can't wait to see what he will do and what guests he has on the GCN Live show. Max has educated me a lot too.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:25 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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I've wondered the same thing.  Max spends as much time on the air in a week as I spend awake.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 23:55 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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Also mentioned today was that Max was helping some (I think) French guy look into the puts that were on the airlines and other companies the day before 9/11 for some documentary the dude was making.

He also said that a FOIA request of this information from the SEC came back saying that this information had been "destroyed".

Max also stated that there was 2 million never claimed for some of the puts.

That's fucked up. Did ZH do a story on this FOIA request?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:47 | Link to Comment J K
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To simplify the equation: BP=TBTF!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:00 | Link to Comment GlassHammer
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So BK<BP because BP=TBTF?

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:00 | Link to Comment GlassHammer
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So BK<BP because BP=TBTF?

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Mitchman
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What could be more delicious than just before the midterm elections the US and English taxpayers bailing out BP!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:37 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Today's FNC=tomorrows BOW. Falling knife catcher/Bailout whore

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I think this is all a fabulous argument for wiping out all of this derivative dreck.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Mitchman
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+1!  You can bet the guys looking to wipe this garbage out in Europe are watching.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Implicit simplicit
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Here, here! I resemble with that remark.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Mercury
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I still believe that, BP, abetted by the UK government, will sell off non-US assets to tough bastard parties and dividend out the proceeds (or something) before they let UK investors go bust on BP's stock/bonds.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:52 | Link to Comment J K
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Those "tough bastard parties" might well include Petrochina, Gazprom or Petróleos de Venezuela.

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:04 | Link to Comment Monkey Craig
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PDVSA has several things going against it:

I'm not sure if they can raise money in capital markets, they have very capital intensive operations, and for about a decade , the country has had significant brain drain from Venezuela to Houston, NY and Calgary. Not all of the Spanish speakers in these cities are Mexican. Some are highly paid engineers.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Mercury
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I was thinking more like China dumps some US Treasuries to finance the operation.

Double ouch.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 19:53 | Link to Comment I need more asshats
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Although they may indeed be moral bankrupt, they are no where close to being financially bankrupt.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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there's no need to worry about Bilderberg Petroleum. they're about to borrow about $50 billion from wall street (and possibly the federal reserve bank).  so the spill will cost them about $5 billion a year in interest for the next 20 years. not a big deal for them. plus with things in the middle east heating up, oil could easily go above $100/barrel.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:03 | Link to Comment HarryWanger
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BP will not go BK. Plain and simple. Maybe if they had 5 wells of this size simultaneously spewing millions of gallons, it would be a different story. Right now, they'll be able to handle this.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Psst...Harry....PMs making moves!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Psstt..psstt..psst!!!  Who's watching, who's watching!!!!!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Don't be scared China.....

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Oh woah Platinum!  How do you say Capitulation in Mandarin and Cantanese?

http://www.kitco.com/charts/liveplatinum.html

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:51 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yeah, that was a hell of a spike up and right back down.

Kind of flash-crash like... 

How do you say Manipulation in Mandarin?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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How do you say $100+p/b during a global depression in Mandarin?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:09 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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And to whomever is trolling, chill out and eat a juice pop-sickle...

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 25 in G minor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:18 | Link to Comment frog
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uh, should I say God save the Queen, how much of BP she has ?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Widows, Orphans and Maiden Lane Cruise Lines. The irony.

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:29 | Link to Comment ratava
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BP is not TBTF. it is not a bank.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Mactheknife
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Ahhh, but here's the rub. If whoever sold all of that CDS protection on those CSOs and BP bonds is TBTF or otherwise well connected,(wink,wink) there might be a good chance that failure of those instruments might not be an option or otherwise allowed to happen. In which case, over the next month or so might just be a good time to buy BP. IMO, the only way BP starts to have an unmanageable problem is if oil gets back down to around 50 at the end of the summer. Which is a distinct possibility.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:36 | Link to Comment 459F
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And here comes the hurricane.

From Acuweather:  Florida may be hit, depending upon what happens in the next few days.
Starts talking about Florida/gulf danger at about the 2:40 mark.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:39 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Outstanding Tyler.  Thanks so much for showing us what may be the tip of another iceberg!

Incredible while at the same time so  believable.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:42 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Well, this is probably appropriate on this thread, too. 

BP is a goner. Sure as shit.

http://www.breitbart.tv/lots-of-sharks-lots-of-oil-seen-off-alabama-coast/

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:43 | Link to Comment bugs_
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OMG they better have freaking secret service protection on the relief well dude.

OMG they better have the freaking US NAVY protecting those relief wells.

 

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:49 | Link to Comment jkruffin
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How about this beauty of news,  thanks Obama you freaking idiot, and your great health care reform plan that is a total failure.  These Congressmen need to be ousted, not just from the office, but from the country.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Survey-Individual-health-apf-84737520.html...

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Wait, I don't have free Health Care yet?

Rut Roh!

<Sarasm roff>

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Muir
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Everthing you ever wanted to know about CSOs (but were afaraid to ask)

 

by

Terri Duhon is vice-president of European synthetic structured product at JPMorgan Securities Ltd.

 

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Synthetic products

The next leap forward in the development of the credit derivative product was its synthetic nature. Since credit derivatives are contracts and not cash transfers (that is, bonds or loans), dealers can effectively create credit risk synthetically. In other words, there is no need to own the loan or the bond. This synthetic creation of credit risk enables banks to structure tailor-made products for investors.

 
From the creation of synthetic risk, coupled with access to a wider range of credits, a wide spectrum of products evolved. A recent and innovative development is the managed synthetic securitisation, or the collateralised synthetic obligation (CSO) product. This product marries credit derivatives and traditional cash securitisation techniques. It allows investors to gain access to a diversified portfolio of credits where the default risk is managed by an experienced asset manager.

The primary feature of CSO investments is that they provide efficient access to leverage simply because there is no cash aspect to the underlying credit risk. The other valuable features of the product are based on the fundamental drivers of the credit derivatives market. In a traditional cash securitisation, a credit must exist in cash form (bond or loan) for the asset manager to add it to the portfolio. With a CSO, there is no need for the credit to exist in cash form. If the company exists, a credit derivative can be created on that name, in the exact maturity and currency that the CSO requires.

Tailored portfolios

Furthermore, the portfolio of credits can be tailored to the strengths of the asset manager as well as to the interests of the investors. If the asset manager has predominantly European credit expertise, the portfolio can consist of predominantly European credits. Similarly, if the investors are interested in five-year dollar-denominated investments, the CSO can produce a five-year dollar-denominated investment.

As the credit derivative market continues to grow and develop, more innovative products that are designed to address specific investor needs are expected to come into play. In the synthetic securitisation market, JPMorgan expects the base product for ongoing innovation to be the CSO.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:05 | Link to Comment Muir
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This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:09 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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how are any of these deemed a 'product'???!!!

 

Product means you PRODUCED something... even shit is more of a product than these financial viruses

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Muir
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This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez JPMorgan Securities Corporation JPMorgan Securities Ltd- helping America into the New World.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:04 | Link to Comment HFT1
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Let EM burn! I just paid $10 a lb for boiled shrimp.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Citizen of an I...
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There's your black swan right there.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:06 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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which is easier to clean up? the oil spill or these 'financial innovations'??

which is dirtier?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Metaphor, one for the other and back again.  Man should never assume; expectations ruin time.

Atmosphere - God's Bathroom Floor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2RtbivSzYg

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Poor BP is going to get fleeced in order to fund ObamaCare as Lennon Hendrix stated above.

These idiots don't realise we already can see the program unfold.

June 14, 2010 >>> Meltup Update Video

http://www.youtube.com/user/InflationUS#p/a/u/1/E4ez21OItqQ

The 15-page report is now available >>>June 17, 2010

http://inflation.us/2010inflationreport.html

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Psquared
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Okay, Transocean, Haliburton, Anadarko and Cameron will be affected, but there are other companies in this business. Will they benefit?

Exxon, Shell, Sunoco, Schlumberger, Diamond Offshore, Apache, Dynamic Materials, etc. Will their share of business increase if these other companies are dragged down by the Gulf spill or will the entire industry collapse?

Generally, something like this would be a boon for other companies not directly affected but this is a different animal.

What is everyone's take on this?

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Cursive
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We've got an ecological disaster.  Even the Big Oil companies that have nothing to do with the Horizon/Maconda blowout will be taxed to pay for future environmental disasters.  No one wins, everyone loses.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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They will look to benefit, that is for sure.  I think the other companies will throw BP to the wolves.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:39 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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Am I the only one that has wondered what it would be like if Max were Chairman of the SEC?

At least it would be entertaining.  You might even be able to put that on pay-per-view.

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 21:40 | Link to Comment 459F
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i feel i should repost my prior post

 

And here comes the hurricane.

From Acuweather:  Florida may be hit, depending upon what happens in the next few days.
 Florida/gulf danger at about the 2:40 mark.

 

HERE COMES THE HURRICANE.  PANIC NOW!!  BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!

Mon, 06/21/2010 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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The lightening will light it on fire and it will be the first fire huricane in history. Stock up on space shuttle tiles to go on your window boards. LOL

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Privatus
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Way to multiply that risk. I used to think that as long as these bets stayed private, ie., no bailouts for losers, then it was OK. I've since come around to the thought that ludicrous, non-productive financial "products" like CSO's are a sinkhole for capital and crowd out rational investment in productive enterprise. As attractive nuisances, they are instrumental in waylaying the seed corn of savings and ultimately eroding our standard of living. CSO's are their kin are innovations, but they are innovations in fraud, not finance. They have net negative economic value because they destroy capital. Sure they give off heat, but it's the heat of burning the furniture and supporting beams of the house to stay warm. Financial decadence writ large. An end game that will end because it cannot go on.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Madhouse
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Let em' all burn. That is the only way that this never happens again. And no bailouts so that the Goldmans of the world somehow walk out the back door getting 100% on the dollar (should have been zero) like they did for AIG.

Only cash flow overseen by the government should be from BP to 1) those impacted directly and 2) the complete cost of cleanup including government response. Taxpayers should not have to pay fucking dime one.

Next time they drill, the rules will be clear. Crystal fucking clear.

 

 

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 02:02 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Corporations are de facto controlling your lives now.  They are calling the shots.  Most of our "representatives" have been entirely coopted by them.

Sadly, this is not hyperbole.  It is but the way it is.

How long until enough people get it so that the shooting can start?

Violent insurrection will be required to correct this.  It might have been fixable within the system a decade ago...maybe.  But now, violence and mayhem can be expected.  Whether that was in the plan or not, that is what is assured.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 02:35 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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I deeply share your sentiments, Chummy.

But my take of history is that after the shootin' is over, the biggest assholes are the new guys in charge.

We need a shipment of fresh anus, please, so that we can choose new leaders.

And what IS that smell?

Oh, just some rotting corpses of true believers. The backhoe will be here in a couple of days to give them a proper burial.

 

 

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 03:44 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I don't agree with you chumba. You've seen the boards what they've become over the last couple weeks. This place is infested with troublemakers.

There's no reason to overthrow the government. There's no need to develope a strategy to TAKE back the government. It is going to collapse.

You watch. They will surround Iran and rattle sabres and bare teeth. Maybe even cause a little bit of trouble. But they are doing the right things. They've opened up gaza a bit more.

People are revolting right and left just in small ways. No need to bring a bazooka to a fuck off fight. Just settle down and keep an eye on things.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Not Sure
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+1000  I miss the strung out sanity. ZH was the place for realism; now, it is loaded with tin foil asshats.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 02:33 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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F*ck bankruptcy.

BP will get off easy.  Somebody please pursue suing the shareholders of BP.

Piercing the corporate veil has precedence in US environmental law.  

British Petroleum, the company that invented Iran and the House of (hillbilly Wahhabism Islamo-fundamentalism) Saud is worth trillions in all the oil in has kept in reserves (AND OFF THE MARKET....HELLO?!! That is their M.O..) but the real value is in investigating the potential proportionate shareholders wealth (like say the English and Dutch Royal Familes...and those Sun worshipping Rothschilds...) who seem to have an unfortunate but vastly unreported coincidences with WWII Nazi NWO agents... and still the conquest for global domination and the attack on the New World for order continues

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/naziroot.htm

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 02:44 | Link to Comment GeoffreyT
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TD - I would have thought you would have 'called bullshit' on the rater's claim that the current spill is "the biggest in history".

Ixtoc-I was bigger, took place in shallower water, and lasted longer (9 months). Eventually FOUR relief wells were drilled.

The comparison is not even close.

 

A simple [Editors note: this claim is bullshit - TD] after the offending sentence would have sufficed.

 

And yes, I am still scalping the LONG side of BP... their legal position is actually really sound (which is why the US government is trying hard to make it seem as if there was gross negligence - despite every step BP took being signed off on by the regulator, and depsite the US government refusing to give an exception to the Jones act when the spill was 2 days old).

 

If I was BP I would wait for the PR bullshit to tide over, and then hard-ball the fuck out of this. Election year, Obama in trouble... if this can get spun to being 'Obama's Katrina', watch the administration cave like a Dominican teenager's sphincter during a Rush Limbaugh oxycontin-bender weekend.

 

Cheerio

 

 

GT

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 03:06 | Link to Comment Kimo
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Benny and the Jets won't let BP fail... and thats final!

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 04:35 | Link to Comment michael63636
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http://www.youtube.com/user/fairinfowar#p/c/E70A4C2A0AF323E6/0/_dnSVwJV6To

 

No recent insider activity?  Sabotage?  haliburton buys oil spill claen up co 11 days before explosion.  Tony hayward dumps $1.6M worth of shares weeks before?  Previous CEO of BP goes to Goldman Sachs?  interesting.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 04:44 | Link to Comment michael63636
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Insider Transactions Chart: BP

"ERROR ON DATA AVIALABLE" http://www.dailyfinance.com/company/bp-p-l-c/bp/nys/insider-transactions...

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 04:45 | Link to Comment michael63636
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Insider Summary for BP P.L.C  (BP)  $ 30.33

RT     -1.43 (-4.50%) Volume: 8.92 k 4:00 PM EDT Jun 21, 2010 Pre-Market: $ 30.24  -0.09(-0.30%) Volume: 8.92 k 4:37 AM EDT Jun 22, 2010

No recent insider activity.

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Tue, 06/22/2010 - 04:48 | Link to Comment michael63636
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Insider Transactions Get Insider Transactions for:        

There is no Insider Transactions data available for BP.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=BP+Insider+Transactions

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 05:15 | Link to Comment michael63636
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread582086/pg1

 

 

Foul Play: Peter Sutherland-Deepwater Horizon The Center of the Oil Spill Web

This is amazing, and a great article. I have believed that it was 100% an accident (the deepwater horizon spill). But this article makes me suspect otherwise.

News unfolding from the oil crisis in the Gulf of Mexico has linked media censorship to investment bankers

at Goldman Sachs (GS) stewarding the Vatican's wealth, and increasing evidence that the explosion was intended.

A near total news blackout from independent sources, and arrests of anyone caught photographing and filming the devastation, show the Halliburton-British Petrolium (BP) oil crisis is being criminally controlled, implicating some of Wall Street's heaviest hitters.

The usual suspects in any consiracy: Goldman sucks, the vatican, halliburton, the media, etc. All that is missing is a direct link to an intelligence agency.

Three weeks before the "natural gas leak," the George Bush/Dick Cheney 9-11-linked Halliburton company negotiated the purchase of the world's largest oil-spill cleanup firm (Boots & Coots) at the exact time keen observers on Wall Street--financial intelligence agents at Goldman Sachs (GS; often called "Government Sachs")--unloaded 44% of their stock in BP.

Remind anyone of the 9/11 insider trading? Of course, it was all just a coincidence, right? Read on.

The scariest part of this whole story is that Mr. Sutherland, the man standing with one foot in GS, and the other on the burning Halliburton-BP oil rig, is the Consultor of the Extraordinary Section of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See. In other words, Sutherland is the chief financial adviser to the Pope...

So who was in the know?
Halliburton
Goldman Sucks
The Vatican
BP
...
Other information on this shady Mr. Sutherland:

He is Chairman of The Ireland Fund of Great Britain, and a member of the advisory council of Business for New Europe--a pro-New-World-Order European think-tank based in Britain.

From 1993-95, Sutherland was the Director-General of the World Trade Organization.

In January 2006, the current Non-executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International, was appointed by United Nations Secretary General, Kofi Annan, as his Special Representative for Migration.

Now, ironically, Sutherland's mission impossible is to migrate marine flora and fauna, fisherman, and coastal residents out of harms way in this spreading international emergency.

Ironic indeed. This evidence shows that like always, someone knew. The "real owners" of the world. If you will indulge my analogy here
Maurice Strong is to Global Warming
as
Peter Sutherland is to the Deepwater Horizon
One man links together all of the major players. The occult empire (IMO) that runs everything has their hands all over this disaster. I don't even know what to say. This has me heavily leaning towards complicity, but what do the minds of ATS think? Go ahead and try to debunk it.

Edit to Add: Maybe the possible evacuation of the gulf coast is the reason that NORTHCOM is gearing up. They may be used, especially if the dreaded martial law is declared. This may also be related to the toxic chemicals in the air along the gulf coast now, if people begin getting sick they will be moved. If there is a large scale evacuation, who knows who all will be involved? FEMA for sure, and it sounds like if the UN is involved Peter Sutherland will be in charge...

Fo ul Play: Vatican Official Tied to BP, Goldman Sachs, Oil Spill?

National Guard may Evacuate Gulf Coast
[edit on 10-6-2010 by time91]

[edit on 10-6-2010 by time91]

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 05:21 | Link to Comment michael63636
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread582096/pg1

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I want to call you attention to the 2 bold Paragraphs. We have been discussing this ATS now for some time.

Now it looks like they are ready to pull the tigger on an evacuation within a few weeks.

I will confront the MP at the EOC about this tomorrow and will update.

Edit: I know the date is april 30th but myself and others are seeing the beginings of an armed build up. I was told a little while ago that a up-armored HUMVEE was sighted in Gulfport MS with a .50 cal mounted on it.

They must think we the people are going to give them a hard time...

[edit on 10-6-2010 by SWCCFAN]

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 06:13 | Link to Comment Paper CRUSHer
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When a company has a fundamental problem technicals have don't mean jack.Check out the RSI and MACD both would normally indicate BP is due for an extreme oversold bounce.

 

http://shares.telegraph.co.uk/charts/?epic=BP.&period=YEAR10&type=2&comp...[]=50&movingAverage[]=200&indicator[]=MACD&indicator[]=SlowSTO&indicator[]=AreaRSI&submit=Draw

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 06:47 | Link to Comment doggings
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You all know what's coming with this in the end don't you?

TPTB cant afford a BP bankruptcy to torpedo their "recovery"..

Enter the BP bailout. cant wait to see them sell that to the US taxpayers..

 

 

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 07:56 | Link to Comment luigi
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I've read some comments elsewhere according to which BP should not be the only one to blame since the platform war hired from a Swiss company and run by personnel from Halliburton (company which, by the way, seems to be one major contractor in the disaster management operations as well).

Is there any "mainstream" or "not too global plot oriented" source which can confirm this?

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Madhouse
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They all will and should answer to BP after the obligatory 30% lawyer cut. If Halliburton is 5% to blame then .05*70billion = $3.5billion, etc.

Transocean is obviously in trouble as I would say they are at least 20% to blame. Bye, bye.

Tue, 06/22/2010 - 21:04 | Link to Comment FourWude
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Bankrupt BP, the great beast.

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