• madhedgefundtrader
    03/21/2010 - 23:53
    A meltdown of Biblical proportions hits the vacation home market. A market plagued by giant snow drifts and burst pipes. Cash out refi’s have come back to haunt. Sales on the county court house steps at prices down 60%-70% from the 2006 peak. Jumbo financing is now an extinct species. A shortened school year has killed the rental market. A “bear” market of a different sort. Care to join Fredo Corleone?
  • thetechnicaltake
    03/21/2010 - 23:03
    This past week the S&P500 made a marginal new high at 1159. Since the last marginal new high 9 weeks ago, the S&P500 has made 1.2% and along the way it had a 7% draw down. In my opinion, that's the path to the poor house - not the end of the rainbow.

Brace Yourself for the Coming Gold Shortage

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Brace yourself for the impending gold shortage. Gold shortage? Yup. With the launch of a flurry of ETF’s devoted to the barbaric relic recently, total ETF holdings have soared well past 60 million ounces worth $65 billion, more than total world production in 2009. The grand Daddy of them all, the SPDR Gold Shares (GLD), now has a staggering $42.7 billion of the yellow metal, making it the second largest ETF by market capitalization, and the fifth largest gold owner in the world.

When gold suffered a hair raising $150, 12% pull back from the all time high in December, I was deluged by traders asking if this was the peak, if it was the final blow off top, and if gold is finished as an asset class. My answers were no, never, and not on your life.

A tidal wave of fiat paper currencies is now flooding the world financial system at an increasingly alarming rate. Obama has not suddenly become a paragon of fiscal restraint. Bernanke has not morphed into a tightwad. When I pull a dollar bill out of my wallet, it’s as limp as ever.

In 2008, South Africa suffered its steepest decline in gold production since 1901, falling 14%, to a mere 232 tons. It now ranks only third in global production of the yellow metal, after China and the US. Severe electricity rationing, a shortage of skilled workers, and more stringent mine safety regulations have been blamed. Choked off credit has frozen the development of new capital intensive deep mines, as it has for everybody else. Rising production costs have driven the global breakeven cost of new gold production up to $500 an ounce.

In the meantime, the financial crisis has driven flight to safety demand for gold bars and coins to all time highs. Last year, the US Treasury ran out of one ounce $50 American Gold Eagle coins, now worth about $1,150. Competitive devaluations by almost every central bank, except Japan, mean that currencies are not performing as the hedge that many had hoped, especially the Euro.

It all has the makings of a serious gold shortage for the future. The huge growth of the middle class will impact gold prices, as it has with other commodities. Linear growth in supply will get overwhelmed by a Malthusian, exponential growth in demand. Last year’s downturn is looking increasingly like a mere blip in the eight year bull market.

If you forgot to buy gold at $35, $300, or $800, another entry point is setting up for those who, so far, have missed the gravy train. We could be seeing a replay of 2008-2009, where the yellow metal traded in a sideways range for many months before blasting through to a new all time high and quickly tacking on 25%.
Start scaling in around $1,040. That’s where the Reserve Bank of India started the recent love fest for the barbaric relic with its 200 ton purchase in November.

If the institutional world devotes just 5% of their asset to a weighting to the yellow metal, and an emerging market central bank bidding war for gold reserves continues, it has to fly to at least $2,300, the inflation adjusted all time high, or higher.

ETF players can look at the 1X (GLD) or the 2X leveraged gold (DGP). Stock investors can entertain shares in Barrack Gold, the world’s largest gold producer. I would also be using the current bout of weakness to pick up the high beta, more volatile precious metal silver (SLV) and platinum (PPLT), which have their own long term fundamentals working in their favor.

For more iconoclastic, out of consensus analysis, visit www.madhedgefundtrader.com, where conventional wisdom is drawn and quartered daily. You can also hear me in person weekly by listening to Hedge Fund Radio by clicking here at http://www.madhedgefundtrader.com/Hedge_Fund_Radio.html

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by Gordon_Gekko
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 08:14
#200537

We could be seeing a replay of 2008-2009, where the yellow metal traded in a sideways range for many months before blasting through to a new all time high and quickly tacking on 25%.

Gold traded in that range below $1000 for freaking 18 goddamn months. Then it rose for just 3 months (in 2 of those i.e. Sept. and Oct. it only rose in the first week followed by sideways to downward action for the rest of the month) for a gain of about 22%. If we are to start on another long-ass "consolidation" after such a MEASLY rise (considering the HUGE 18 month consolidation), then this is the WORST "bull market" I have ever seen. Shitty stocks in bear markets have performed better.

That said, I guess as long as CRIMEX and the fraudulent GLD is in business, we can expect Gold to remain capped and more such "hair raising" declines and slower than a snail progress of the Gold bull. It's funny how 99% of the waterfall declines in Gold occur only during CRIMEX sessions. Anybody trading Gold HAS to be aware of this fact by now. Yet, if the majority of people (including the so-called "smart/big money") as a collective still place their faith and money in such fraudulently managed "markets" and trade Gold in ANY venue in the "bucket shop" that is the US, instead of buying the physical, then this is a very sorry commentary on the state of mankind's intellect today. I will not be surprised if the human race ceases to exist withing the next few decades. The majority don't even possess the bare minimum thinking skills needed just for survival.

by gookempucky
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 08:38
#200549

+ 1000

by El Hosel
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 08:46
#200552

by zero intelligence
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:12
#200574

 

Anyone thinks that "gold is a bubble" or had a "blow off top" or suffers from "hysteria" when it made a three-month, 20% rise above its old highs after 18 months of consolidation is not going to be perceptive enough to understand the points you just made.

 

by MarketTruth
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:30
#200589

ASK YOURSELF: do you really trust that these ETFs have the gold they claim and GLD's counterparties that store said gold are not leasing it out or creating/forming/leveraging some other paper gold on top of their paper gold. As an example, GLD can hold NOT GOOD bars for proper delivery to the market and they do not insure their gold holding. Add to that, there are many other serious situations one should consider before choosing GLD or other ETFs.

Read GLD's 10-k filing at www.spdrgoldshares.com/media/GLD/file/10k_Sept08.pdf and pay special attention to pages 54 to 62.

Bottom line, if you want to invest in gold i would do as GLD's largest shareholder did months ago.... they sold their GLD holdings and purchased physical metal and took delivery. In this day and age counterparty risk is to be avoided imho.

PS: Beware gold covered Tungsten bars reported to be from the USA vaults, so test your 400 oz bars or buy JM Kilo bars (CAD Maple Leafs for coin purchasers).

by Rusty Shorts
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:47
#200620

OR, you can buy raw Gold, in the 23 Carat range, origin; Ghana, West Africa.

 

I will be prepared to make a FCO sometime in February, 50 kgs minimum for export, or smaller amounts available on "off market" transactions.

by WaterWings
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:48
#200761

"squid pro quo": euphemism for a fiat currency; issued with no gold backing

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 13:59
#200975

Ask yourself what will happen when the price of Gold is set free by the collapse of the COMEX and then shortly after the collapse of the Dollar system as a whole? What will become of all those little grams and ounces of Gold that have been sold to so many little no bodies around the world for the last 30+ years of Gold price suppression? Remember the little guy in Vietnam and China wouldnt have a chance to buy Gold if reflected its true price. Why would the banking elite want Gold spread far and thin through out the whole world?

Do you think its possible that the Architects of the Euro may have foreseen the end of the COMEX and thats why they structured a currency with 15% Gold reserves. So it wouldnt be completely vaporized like the dollar when Gold melts up? It will trade freely next to Gold when the Gold price is set free from the COMEX. Gold will be savings and wealth, and the Euro will be just a currency for spending. If the EU prints too many Euros Gold will freely move from one regional currency to another, around the world. The Gold community and the world at large has some big surprises in store when the COMEX goes bust, things are not at all what they seem.

Watch Greece for the next few weeks if you dont believe me. The Euro is the banking elites baby, it is an important part of the next system and they will not let anything happen to it.

For more info read,
fofoa.blogspot.com

by Mark Beck
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:46
#201174

Along those same lines though, the obvious question is; Will Gold follow equities on the way down? If we do not see a dislocation, or an unlinking, from equities, then we would have to conclude that Gold is not as popular a hedge as some say. The question with Gold is what really effects its price for potential buyers. Is it world events? US monetary policy? What? Who are these potential buyers? Government? Central banks?

IMHO I think Gold will disconnect from equities, but not now. I am really looking for a pronounced trigger to motivate the herd. Large moves in Gold spot price will be largely dictated by events, I myself am looking for a correction with equities down of about 15%. When this happens I will increase my holdings. Without a pronounced trigger of some sort, gold will not change its historical behavior.

Mark Beck

by Anonymous
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:16
#211988

I share your frustration with the seeming intransigence of the gold market and the manipulation. However another way to look at the price of gold is to remember that it has averaged a 21% gain EVERY year for the last 8 years.

I can live with those kinds of returns.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 02/01/2010 - 10:54
#213258

I want to post this comment near the top before
people read the other comments! I do not know your ages
but it is evident that I am much older.
I have made a life of owning gold. I started in 1968
when the only way that you could legaly own it was through Canada.I was young and purchased ounces for $35.00! I waited and accumulated it till it hit around $850.00 in the early 80's. I was still young back then and was able to pay cash for my first house.
I have followed Gold ever since and found that the way to buy and save Gold was through Rare Coins!! The amount of profit that you make far out paces buying boring old Bullion.
When you purchase Gold in a rare coin form you are buying History and Rarity! The price never go's down. Try picking up an old coin price guide and look at what coins were 30 years ago.You will be suprised at the 500% to 5000% gains in the rare coin market.
With this in Mind don't expect to "FLIP" items as you young people try to become rich overnight,it just does not work that way.Patience is the only way to sustain wealth. I am now only 55 years of age and I am retired,WHY?? because I never sold out to the lies being perpatrated by fiat paper pushers that have only their future in mind.
Don't buy PAPER buy the real thing and make sure it is rare!! Then you will be where I am in a few short years.
Remember trust no one with your wealth, History is full of lies and Crooks. If you are not smart enough to maintain your own wealth and must rely on someone else to help you then you are indeed all fools!!! Thank you CAT

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 08:58
#200562

nothing new, allway the same old stuff, 3 x recycled.

Dinner with gold bug.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:03
#200567

For all the hype - Gold does not seem to going to new highs.

Reports of China buying, crashing dollar ?

Gold stocks like NEM and ABX are not showing any sign of strengh

Gold is a store of wealth - Not a profit machine.
Unless you are a very nimble trader

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:04
#200569

I do not see gold rocketing hiher

What shortage ?

by Gordon_Gekko
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:58
#200634

Can't blame ya. Something with an impending shortage doesn't keep crashing like Gold has been - for the past two years.

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:10
#200573

Gold sucks, the more I see the hysteria, the more I am convinced it will go down in 2010.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:33
#200600

Gold sucks. Wow. You're becoming a buffoon, Leo. While it's true that gold bugs get a little excited, the same is true on the other side of the trade. When I look at a gold chart (I use the futures) I see a strong move followed by an orderly pullback to support. We'll see if support holds. If I had to guess I'd say it won't because I think the dollar's going to run for awhile BTW, the dollar has moved back to resistance so everything's in line. Gold sucks? No more than anything else sucks. No less either. Thanks for the insight into Leo's mind. It's a little like being on acid.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:36
#200605

Paper money sucks. Gold is real money. Dollars are an 'IOU nothing' backed by debt.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:40
#201639

I can't buy food with gold. I can't eat gold. I can't put gold in my vehicle. gold is valuable to anybody living in deadwood or king tut's tomb.

by Internet Tough Guy
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:47
#200622

Short it. You will make a killing. LOL.

by RockyRacoon
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:55
#200629

I translate that as gold "going down" to dollar "going up"?  The way I see it, gold doesn't GO anywhere.  As has been said elsewhere:  If the price of gold "goes down" by 20%, how much less gold do I have?  Gold is not for trading -- period.  Gold/silver ETFs are simply methods by TPTB to keep the prices suppressed or controlled.

by DaveyJones
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:28
#200663

gold sucks because everything else is in such a healthy position to grow. hmmm

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:33
#200671

Gold sucks and I will laugh at all you gold bugs predicting the end of fiat money and the end of the world. Do whatever you want, follow Paulson and Sprott, buy gold, not just stocks but gold bullion. Gold, gold, gold! Any Canuck remember Bre-X? LOL!!!!

by Rusty_Shackleford
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:42
#200681

Yep.
You've sure got history on your side in that argument.

Fiat currencies never fail, right?

Every fiat currency that has ever been tried is still in existence right?

You can't lose.

by RockyRacoon
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:52
#200692

Ask Leo how those solar stocks are doing.  Maybe he should just go to the source and stockpile sunshine.  I guess he does like "gold" in the form of the golden rays of the sun.

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:07
#200794

+1000

Hey maybe gold will go down some more.  The more it goes down the more I will buy.

Preserving wealth and insurance vs. our pals at .gov and the Treserve.

by Nout Wellink
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:57
#200696

Yes, go arrogant mr Kolivakis. My goodness, what a childish behaviour. How did you predictions do so far? And the solar stocks? Get a life.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:41
#200858

stick to your pension fund analysis numbnutts.

by SWRichmond
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:12
#200575

I agree there's a shortage of physical on the horizon.  I disagree on how to play it.  I wouldn't touch GLD with someone else's money, having looked closely at their prospectus and found it lacking in the areas of accountability, auditability, and others.  I wouldn't touch Barrick, either; given their history as a confessed agent of the central banks, and their lack of business acumen in having, until recently, one of the largest short gold hedges on the planet, I consider giving money to them akin to investing with the devil himself.

I find your choices surprising.  Why not CEF, GTU, NEM?

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:13
#200577

"(GLD), now has a staggering $42.7 billion of the yellow metal"

Are there any publicly available independent third party certifications available confirming that they actually hold this amount of physical gold as opposed to bookkeeping entries?

by Gordon_Gekko
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:34
#200602

Most likely $42.7 billion of HOT AIR. Another Madoff in the making. I have no sympathy for GLD buyers. They deserve what's coming their way.

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:10
#200800

Physical possesion is the way to go, as GG, the Chumba, and others of us have been preaching.

Dow now down 200.

I am NOT Chumbawamba, but I would spring for a beer with him!

by trav7777
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:09
#200709

It's all in GLD's prospectus.

They have beneficial ownership of that many ounces.  But, their ownership is a paper claim on physical ostensibly somewhere else.  If GLD and the other ETFs *really* did have their own physical possession of THAT MUCH GOLD, seriously, a larger stash than most countries, we would know precisely where their warehouse was; it'd look like Fort Knox.

If that were the case, hell, probably get robbed or somethin

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:20
#200586

Gold in a bubble? The average selling price in 1980 was about $660. If I did the math right, and who knows there, that puts the average annual gain at 1.7% over 30 years. And I've discarded the blow off top of $850 as it lasted for about a day and a half.

If that were the stock market I don't think anyone would be calling it a bubble.

by BigBagHolder
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:25
#200591

MFT - Were we supposed to "brace yourself" for the pullback in stocks last summer?

The problem with all gold and commodities theses - is that at their core they are just "weak dollar" stories.  If you look at the moves 2000-08 in EUR or a basket of foreign currency, they are not very interesting.

So why not just focus on the core driver -- USD?  Right now that looks pretty strong and EUR, JPY look structurally a little weaker on balance.

by Gordon_Gekko
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:51
#200626

This dollar rally is bullshit. The dollar has barely budged against certain Asian currencies.

by Jean Valjean
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:31
#200667

Yes but you are talking in relative terms.  The US$ is stronger than other fiat currencies and Gold won't shine until the world figures out that the ultimate backer of the ultimate currency is untrustworthy.  When that happens look out.  But it happens slowly.

There are other things working against gold.  The velocity of money is very slow now so no one sees how much the dollar has been diluted reciently.  Also, as GG states, paper golf vehicles give many gold investors a false sense that they are fully invested when actually GLD is probably best compared to a fractional reserve bank of the 1930s.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:52
#200630

The US MINT ran out of blanks for the coins. It wasn't a gold shortage that prompted the hold on sales. Yes demand is up, but based on the question of what GLD is holding, what the US is holding and a possible shake out of speculators if we see a bigger dip in gold, I'm not too concerned. I will still buy only physical Ag and Au and continue to buy, but refuse to be caught up in 'to the moon' scenarios and scare tactics.

India's purchase was from a central bank, which is what central banks do, shift gold around among themselves. It didn't remove 200 tonnes from what you or I could purchase.

by RockyRacoon
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:01
#200635

Sidenote to address one of my pet peeves:  Gold was not referred to as "the barbarous relic".  It was the gold standard. 

This gold pejorative is readily attributed to Keynes.  But here is what he really wrote in 1923 in A Tract on Monetary Reform: “…the gold standard is already a barbarous relic.”

 

....the barbarous relic is central banking.

http://news.goldseek.com/JamesTurk/1126711755.php

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:05
#200642

Original post is well below Zero Hedge's standards. It has no marginal value--100% speculation, 0% analysis, 1% facts (already known or all findable in a generic article).

by 10044
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:15
#200652

When will the fcking crimex go broke

by Anubis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:19
#200656

Madhedgefundtrader dude,

 

PALL is the Palladium ETF and not Platinum which is PPLT. Looks better if you fix the typo as the prices and metals are quite different. 

 

 

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:47
#200687

U.S. Leading Economic Index jumps 1.1% in December. Quick, buy gold...the world is ending! LOL! Let's see how well gold performs in Q1 2010.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:50
#200690

"Stock investors can entertain shares in Barrack Gold"

Barrack Gold? Do you mean 'Barrick Gold'? Geesh.

by jimmyjames
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:59
#200699

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 09:47
#200687

 

U.S. Leading Economic Index jumps 1.1% in December. Quick, buy gold...the world is ending! LOL! Let's see how well gold performs in Q1 2010.

************************************

sounds to me like someone who missed out on a ten year bull--

bet you said the same words in 01--

love you guys--cuz--you let me know everyday--that i'm in the right trade--

the 1st quarter of 2010--means squat--

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:09
#200708

I never was a gold bug. I have gotten burned on other manias (Nortel fraud really hurt me) and learned the hard way about not falling in love with any company. Gold seems to be a religion among many here. Good for you. I wish you all the best. If I thought inflation was a certainty, I'd be buying gold too. But I see a gradual recovery in the US with low inflation. Nothing exceptional, but not very "gold friendly" environment.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:07
#200705

My advice to everybody is to flee gold like the plague. Get out of gold now! Gold is going to 20/oz. Gold is worthless.
Gold has no intrinsic value. Depart from it's presence and give thanks for the salvation of your soul.

Gold. It's worthless.

-MobBarley

heeheehehehehechortlesnickerheh

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:14
#200807

MobB, I'll buy your gold for $100 then, heeheehee!  Chortlesnicker!

I'll even take my chance that your Eagles are painted tungsten...

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:08
#200707

When it comes to gold and gold demand the only area you need to watch is the central banks. Not that shares in the miners, GLD, etc are not factors in short term demand and prices are heading but central banks are the true barometer. Central banks continue to be buyers of physical gold and they are holding. Of late there are no real sellers of significance. As long as the CB's are buyers day to day or even month to month bumps are moot. To find the end of the rainbow just follow the big sovereign money pools.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:26
#200727

Paul Volker is coming and he is going to vaporize gold. We will break back below 850.00 and who knows from there. Sinclair, Puplava, and Turk don't and won't see it coming.

by DoChenRollingBearing
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:18
#200818

Happened before, may happen again.

But I don't think so.  Our .gov has essentially gone completely CRAZY.  The other .govs of the world inspire little confidence with me either.  When the Euro or Yen devalues (assuming we don'r beat them to it), the so will everyone else.

by SWRichmond
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:40
#200856

Maybe you can tell me where the money (revenues) will come from for paying government debt, when interest rates go up?

Maybe you can tell me how this is made possible politically?

Maybe you can tell me what happens to the growing dependency class(es) when government cuts expenditures enough to balance the budget, and raises rates into a rising unemployment rate?

These are not idle questions, I'd really like to hear your answers.

by Crime of the Century
on Fri, 01/22/2010 - 05:48
#202022

+1 The math was on Volcker's side last time. Now? Not even close.

by jimmyjames
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:38
#201161

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:26
#200727

Paul Volker is coming and he is going to vaporize gold.

Wild--what's he gonna do--raise rates to 20%?

USD to the moon--trade collapsed--fully unemployed country--

Don't think so--not this time--

Volcker prevented deflation--caused by gold--last time--by severing the $ link--he "saved"the $ by raising rates--

Those cards were dealt 40 years ago--

They're simply--not in the deck this time--

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:30
#200732

Gold to a ZILLION dollar soon.

Reminds me of AOL to $100 by Christmas.

-----------

Banking crises has been around for 2 years.
Gold can not get above $1200
Plenty of sellers of gold.

Im more worried about deflation.

Housing has not hit a bottom
Wages are falling

Everyone know the USA is in massive debt.

Gold was a good buy at $300
At $1100 ? ? ? ?

We will know in 5 or 10 years.

by jimmyjames
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:32
#200736

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 10:09
#200708

I never was a gold bug. I have gotten burned on other manias (Nortel fraud really hurt me) and learned the hard way about not falling in love with any company. Gold seems to be a religion among many here. Good for you. I wish you all the best. If I thought inflation was a certainty, I'd be buying gold too

*********************************

Goes to show--just how f*ked up ya got it--

If i thought inflation was a certainty--I would sell gold and buy real-estate--

Have you even bothered to look at at a gold chart from 1980-2000/

Gold sucked--inflation all the way--

You simply don't understand gold and what it reacts to--negative or positive--

 

 

by Leo Kolivakis
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 12:35
#200848

Another way of thinking about gold is that it a safe harbor when financial markets get rattled. I don't see this happening in 2010. Doesn't mean I will be right, but I'm shunning gold. If you "gold experts" are so convinced, all power to you! Hope you make money but I remain skeptical.

by El Hosel
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 14:41
#201062

Leo,

Why is gold up 300% ( at least ) over the S&P 500 the last 10 years? We have not had "rattled" financial market during the whole period.... just corrupt and fraudulent financial markets.

by Herd Redirectio...
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 16:22
#201218

I don't own gold so I can see it increase its worth in fiat currency, and then convert it into fiat.

Gold ownership is a vote AGAINST the financial oligarchs,  and there is nothing I am driven more strongly to do, than oppose them.

I will own gold until 'sound money' returns,  even if that means holding gold until death (I figure I have 50-55 years to see that happen).

I will NOT own the Syndicate's proxy for sound money, Precious Metal ETFs! 

What a misdirection you are running here, my 'good' sir,  it is like you are knowingly leading people off the path...

by thegreatsatan
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:39
#200749

I would say if the shit really hit the fan, whiskey, ammunition, and medicines would be more valuable than gold

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 15:00
#201088

cigarettes, whiskey, and wild, wild women

by Johnny G.
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:58
#201734

+1

by Mr Lennon Hendrix
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:41
#200751

Peak Gold.  Bullshit GLD.  High demand.  Sounds like a catastrophe (or opportunity) in the making.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 11:56
#200767

I am not a gold bear, but

"the SPDR Gold Shares (GLD), now has a staggering $42.7 billion of the yellow metal, making it the second largest ETF by market capitalization, and the fifth largest gold owner in the world." is a reason to be bearish on gold from here, not bullish. That represents past speculative accumulation, not future.

Also, pointing out SA's decline in production without mentioning China's growth in production is lop-sided.

And, "Rising production costs have driven the global breakeven cost of new gold production up to $500 an ounce." means that the current price is more than double the production cost - hardly a supporting factor of the price.

Finally, PALL is the palladium ETF, not the platinum ETF.

by jimmyjames
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 13:11
#200897

 

And, "Rising production costs have driven the global breakeven cost of new gold production up to $500 an ounce." means that the current price is more than double the production cost - hardly a supporting factor of the price.

***********************************

Gold is thought to be an anti-dollar/fiat trade--

Not really--it is more of an anti-political trade--

What else rises on fear and drops on greed?

Gold and the dollar have done and will again trade together--

Competing as safehavens--

The price of gold is really irrelevant--same as "how many" dollars you have--

What is important is what your dollar can buy--

Same for gold--no different--

In deflation--everything deflates against gold--

Check your CPI against the POG/dollar locked--in the 30's--

Gold/dollar buying power increased dramatically--

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/images/amerman021209a.jpg

It will do so in this deflation as well--

As for political insanity-ie- currency collapse--

No shortage of that--

by Apocalypse Now
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 14:29
#201036

Paper with the word gold after it is not gold, it is merely paper pretending to be gold.

Gold is the ultimate hedge fund: http://www.fofoa.blogspot.com/

 

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 18:35
#201432

Sell GLD and buy Sprotts new ETF when listed and buy it in Canada not the US. Those guys will check every bar coming in for Tungsten and GLD will be left with paper gold.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:51
#201652

I call this BS.
Where do you mine the gold for $500 an ounce?
Is this article a test on intelligence?
Kreso

by Anonymous
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:55
#201658

I call this BS.
Where do you mine the gold for $500 an ounce?
Is this article a test on intelligence?
Kreso

by simplegump
on Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:31
#201783

this is all so very confusing

by mchawe
on Fri, 01/22/2010 - 01:28
#201854

Gold is insurance. Buy it and keep it in your possession. GLD is a fraud. The custodians who can not be audited as to their holdings, are the same entities heavily naked short on Comex and are unable to deliver on each and every contract they are short. Those entities are also given a free pass for margin. (Unlike you and I, they don't have to produce any.) If you want an honest ETF, CEF is open for inspection, so I prefer to trust that if you insist on buying an ETF. ETFs are at risk of government confiscation.

Few people realise gold always does better in Deflation and is a poor investment relative to other assets in Inflation. Check out the S&P Index valued in terms of gold. I don't see a change in trend. If ZIRP and QE can flip Deflation into hyper inflation, then you better own gold !

COMEX. The Chief Operational Officer is ex Goldman Sachs. Don't expect proper regulation !

When gold is ready to go, the banksters will be loaded up. I believe now they will do just that with all the terrified longs handing it to them. If you go short you can expect a rude awakening at any time the banksters decide to suddenly remove their cap. That will be the day your stop loss fails.

If Ron Rosen is right Gold will now go to $600. (He uses Weldes Wilder's Delta Turning Points and Elliott Wave). I don't care: I will be buying all the way down in ever increasing amounts. Thank you Cartel. Without you the price would be well over $1500.

I have no intention of selling what I have. There was already a shortage at $1200. The US Mint was unable to keep up with demand. By the time the price gets down to $600 (if it does) I believe the real stuff will be UNAVAILABLE...unless you buy GLD (where it will not exist except in the imagination of the public.)

My favorite stock is Seabridge Gold (SA. Ca:SEA). They have the gold in the ground (heading towards 40m oz) waiting for a humungous take over battle by the Majors. They have no intention of getting it out themselves. But what a way to own over 1oz currently costing $27 without paying for storage and insurance!  Do the math !  It is worth checking out their web site to see their mining presentation (10 minute video).  It was the only gold stock I saw yesterday that went against the trend. That alone should tell you something.

by Crime of the Century
on Fri, 01/22/2010 - 05:54
#202023

The year that the Rothschild's abandoned the London Bullion Market is the year that GLD was launched.

by Anonymous
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 10:21
#211825

As a silver enthusiast, I have watched the see saw so long it is making me dizzy. To see the shorts come in and blast my metal is a sight to behold. With such an incredibly small market, it continuously amazes me that brokerages and ETF's are permitted to sell many multiples of actual silver in existence. Unlike gold, most silver is used for industrial purposes, thus t is no longer available to the market in bullion form, merely as a constituent component of some electronic doowidget or another.

It will be interesting indeed to watch this metal shoot through the stratosphere when the shortages hit.

Very interesting indeed.

by Anonymous
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 14:09
#211932

Lets just say they get the NWO kicked off, all currencies and gold will be worthless because they'll only accept the new fiat currency that they will install anyway. In this case you would've been better off investing in food, medicine, and other survival supplies. That is until they either confiscate your land, or tax it to oblivion. Then the only thing left is either let them roll over you, or use up whatever ammo you have left.

by Anonymous
on Sat, 01/30/2010 - 15:16
#211986

Nothing like a nice government man.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 02/01/2010 - 11:45
#213303

streets in heaven r gold so i like holding a lil piece of heaven

by Anonymous
on Wed, 02/17/2010 - 09:51
#233896

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAb8Hbk_Q4

Buy gold. (not paper!)

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