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Breaking: Greece Threatens To Leave Eurozone, Reintroduce Own Currency

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  • GREECE THREATENS TO LEAVE EURO AREA, GERMANY'S DER SPIEGEL SAYS
  • FINANCE MINISTER FROM EUROZONE AND EU COMMISSION HOLDINGS CRISIS MEETING TODAY IN LUXEMBOURG
  • MEETING AGENDA INCLUDES POSSIBLE NEAR-TERM DEBT RESTRUCTURING FOR GREECE
  • EUROGROUP CHAIRMAN JUNCKER "TOTALLY DENIES" MEETING TO BE HELD TODAY TO DISCUSS GREECE
    • And cue panic and furious denials:
  • French finance ministry official cannot neither confirm or deny Spiegel report of emergency Eurozone meeting
  • Austrian Finance Minister spokesman says Eurozone breakup "absolutely unthinkable"
  • German government source says theres no plan for Greece to leave the Eurozone
  • Senior Greek government official denies report that Greece raises possibility of leaving Eurozone
  • IMF SAYS IT HAS `NO COMMENT' ON REPORT OF GREEK EURO EXIT BID

Full google translated Spiegel Article:

Greece is considering withdrawal from the Euro-zone

The debt crisis in Greece is getting worse. The government of the country considered to information from SPIEGEL ONLINE, leaving the euro zone. The finance ministers of the monetary union and representatives of the EU Commission will meet on Friday evening secret to a crisis meeting.

Berlin - The economic problems of Greece are huge, almost daily protests against the civil government. Now Prime Minister Georgios Papandreou, apparently sees no other way: According to information from SPIEGEL ONLINE considered his government to abandon the euro and reintroduce its own currency.

Alarmed by the efforts of the European Commission on Friday evening an emergency meeting in Luxembourg has loaded. Apart from the possible withdrawal of Greece from the monetary union and a speedy rescheduling of the country is on the agenda. A year after the outbreak of the crisis in Greece this means for the European Monetary Union an existential turning point - regardless of what option they choose.

Because of the tense situation has been prescribed for the meeting in Luxembourg the highest confidentiality, only the Finance Minister and one close associate may. For Germany participate Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) and Financial Secretary Joerg Asmussen.

Schäuble wants to hold the Greeks in all circumstances from € outlet. An internal presentation of his ministry, which he took to Luxembourg, warns of the consequences. "It will be a significant depreciation of the new domestic currency against the euro," it states. Was estimated using an exchange rate loss of up to 50 percent can be expected. This debt is growing dramatically in Greece. Schäuble experts expect that the national debt would increase following the devaluation of around 200 percent of gross domestic product. "A restructuring was inevitable," they warn. In plain language: Greece would be bankrupt.

Massive implications for the economy in Europe

While controversy is whether a Euro-Greece's exit would be legally possible at all - in the opinion of legal experts would have to leave the country for the same time the European Union as a whole. It is doubtful whether the other members of the Monetary Union of the government in Athens would preclude a unilateral withdrawal from the euro area actually.

This reveals that the measure had been estimated by the officials Schäuble massive impact on economic life in Europe. "The currency change would trigger a capital flight," they write. Greece may be forced to introduce capital controls. "This would be the fundamental freedoms of the single European market not to bring into line." Moreover, the country would be cut off for many years by the capital market.

Furthermore, would the withdrawal of a country from the monetary union, "damage the trust in the functioning of the euro zone difficult," it said. International investors have to expect that emissions in the future further € members wanted. "This would lead to contagion effects in the euro zone."

The German taxpayer would step dearly

Had a severe impact on the swerving of Greece still ailing banking sector, especially at home. By the currency cut "all of the equity would be eaten up the banking system, the country's banks would be instantly insolvent." But the banks in other countries would suffer. "German and foreign banks would have expected a substantial loss to their demands," says the paper.

The European Central Bank (ECB) would be affected. It would have "a substantial portion of their assets to write off as uncollectible. Among the loans to banks without counting the stocks added to Greek government bonds, which the ECB has bought in recent months. Their volume estimate Schäuble officials to at least 40 billion euros. "Germany would contribute according to its ECB capital share of 27 percent most of the losses."

The bottom line is an exit followed by Greece would bankrupt the country euro-zone countries and their taxpayers are even more expensive. Together with the International Monetary Fund, they have the land grant assistance amounting to 110 billion euros - around half of which was already paid. "The euro-zone countries would have to surrender to the bankruptcy of the country on some of their claims."

And the original version of the article in native English:

The debt crisis in Greece has taken on a dramatic new twist.
Sources with information about the government's actions have informed
SPIEGEL ONLINE that Athens is considering withdrawing from the euro
zone. The common currency area's finance ministers and representatives
of the European Commission are holding a secret crisis meeting in
Luxembourg on Friday night.

Greece's economic problems are massive, with protests against the
government being held almost daily. Now Prime Minister George Papandreou
apparently feels he has no other option: SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained
information from German government sources knowledgeable of the
situation in Athens indicating that Papandreou's government is
considering abandoning the euro and reintroducing its own currency.

 

Alarmed by Athens' intentions, the European Commission has called a
crisis meeting in Luxembourg on Friday night. In addition to Greece's
possible exit from the currency union, a speedy restructuring of the
country's debt also features on the agenda. One year after the Greek
crisis broke out, the development represents a potentially existential
turning point for the European monetary union -- regardless which
variant is ultimately decided upon for dealing with Greece's massive
troubles.

Given the tense situation, the meeting in Luxembourg has been
declared highly confidential, with only the euro-zone finance ministers
and senior staff members permitted to attend. Finance Minister Wolfgang
Schäuble of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic
Union (CDU) and Jörg Asmussen, an influential state secretary in the
Finance Ministry, are attending on Germany's behalf.

'Considerable Devaluation'

Sources told SPIEGEL ONLINE that Schäuble intends to seek to prevent
Greece from leaving the euro zone if at all possible. He will take with
him to the meeting in Luxembourg an internal paper prepared by the
experts at his ministry warning of the possible dire consequences if
Athens were to drop the euro.

"It would lead to a considerable devaluation of the domestic currency
against the euro," the paper states. According to German Finance
Ministry estimates, the currency could lose as much as 50 percent of its
value, leading to a drastic increase in Greek national debt. Schäuble's
staff have calculated that Greece's national deficit would rise to 200
percent of gross domestic product after such a devaluation. "A debt
restructuring would be inevitable," his experts warn in the paper. In
other words: Greece would go bankrupt.

It remains unclear whether it would even be legally possible for
Greece to depart from the euro zone. Legal experts believe it would also
be necessary for the country to split from the European Union entirely
in order to abandon the common currency. At the same time, it is
questionable whether other members of the currency union would actually
refuse to accept a unilateral exit from the euro zone by the government
in Athens.

What is certain, according to the assessment of the German Finance
Ministry, is that the measure would have a disastrous impact on the
European economy.

"The currency conversion would lead to capital flight," they write.
And Greece might see itself as forced to implement controls on the
transfer of capital to stop the flight of funds out of the country.
"This could not be reconciled with the fundamental freedoms instilled in
the European internal market," the paper states. In addition, the
country would also be cut off from capital markets for years to come.

In addition, the withdrawal of a country from the common currency
union would "seriously damage faith in the functioning of the euro
zone," the document continues. International investors would be forced
to consider the possibility that further euro-zone members could
withdraw in the future. "That would lead to contagion in the euro zone,"
the paper continues.

Banks at Risk

Moreover, should Athens turn its back on the common currency zone, it
would have serious implications for the already wobbly banking sector,
particularly in Greece itself. The change in currency "would consume the
entire capital base of the banking system and the country's banks would
be abruptly insolvent." Banks outside of Greece would suffer as well.
"Credit institutions in Germany and elsewhere would be confronted with
considerable losses on their outstanding debts," the paper reads.

 

The European Central Bank (ECB) would also feel the effects. The
Frankfurt-based institution would be forced to "write down a significant
portion of its claims as irrecoverable." In addition to its exposure to
the banks, the ECB also owns large amounts of Greek state bonds, which
it has purchased in recent months. Officials at the Finance Ministry
estimate the total to be worth at least €40 billion ($58 billion) "Given
its 27 percent share of ECB capital, Germany would bear the majority of
the losses," the paper reads.

In short, a Greek withdrawal from the euro zone and an ensuing
national default would be expensive for euro-zone countries and their
taxpayers. Together with the International Monetary Fund, the EU member
states have already pledged €110 billion in aid to Athens -- half of
which has already been paid out.

"Should the country become insolvent," the paper reads, "euro-zone countries would have to renounce a portion of their claims."

 


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Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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Holy Shit

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment flacon
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...and the new currency is going to be backed by?..... Or put it this way: Who is going to buy the new Greek Currency bonds?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Tossup. Either The Bernank or Japan. LOL

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Relax, everyone.

Eurogroup Chairman Juncker "totally denies" this.

Like, OMG, he totally denies it.

 

/sarc

Cheers to Iceland, Greece & Ireland - and I hope they wave the Big Bird to the Banking Cartel. They could lead by example.


An Irishman abroad tells it like it is

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment IBelieveInMagic
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PMs suddenly are off their highs -- did an international gold market close somewhere for the day?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment DavidJ
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Why is this not good for PMs?  Shouldn't increased uncertainty about FIATs mean rise prices in PM prices?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:00 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Good for physical, bad for paper.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment flacon
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Here's how I see it: PM prices are falling because of the "rally" in the USDX because of the falling of the Euro because of the threat from Greece to leave Euro and create it's own worthless paper currency....

 

What a mess...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I would really love to see the entire spool of lies and deception that is the Global Banking Cartel & its Fractional Reserve Fiatski Ponzi Scheme implode.

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Bubbles the cat (not verified)
Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:56 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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DOES IT MATTER IF THEY LEAVE OR NOT? MAY 8TH IS THE REAL MAY DAY!

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/05/fukushima-friday-redux-may-8th-may...

WHATS GOING ON?!?! COVER UPS AND LIES DAILY NOW!!

 

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment ambrosiac
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Oh come on.  Looking out my window Athens is still there, right smack in the middle of the Eurozone.

 

Most Greeks being Christian it is apt to paraphrase Augustine:

 

"Lord, make me virtuous... but not now"

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Nobody.

They'll just print money.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Whatta
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They'll just print money.

That is very fashionable these days. Backing for currencies is just sooooo lame.

The new Greek monetary slogan - "STFU and trust us!!!"

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment DocLogo
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que Al Quaeda in Greece.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Anyone ask the same about Iceland? They told the banksters to shove dreadels up their poop chutes and never looked back....only ones hurt were the banksters dont believe the hype that unless you bow down to the cabal terrible things will happen to you. Theyve got bupkis.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment gorillaonyourback
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the thought is they will repatriat the gold and back the new drachma with 10% gold.  this is good news for the fight against global banksters the imf and the ecb  WOW people finnally getting smart

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment bobby02
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Who bought Mexico's bonds in 1989?

 

No bid for Brazil40?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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It'll be backed by calamari

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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Squid bitchez!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Don Birnam
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<<...and the new currency is going to be backed by? >>

Feta cheese ?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment ZackAttack
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> Who is going to buy the new Greek Currency bonds?

Do you have a mirror handy?

And you don't even get to vote on it!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:38 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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@flacon - sovereign countries don't have to borrow. That's a privately-held central bank construct. See the Lincoln Greenback. Not without its problems but at least it was the people's money.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 16:28 | Link to Comment akak
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Fuck that statist tyrant traitor Lincoln and his fiat, inflationary Greenbacks.  They were in no damned way "the people's money" --- they were the GOVERNMENT'S money, never forget that.  Yeah, greenbacks were "the people's money" just like modern senators and congressmen are "the people's representatives". Don't make me laugh!

What we need is the separation of money and the state, NOT merely some tinkering around the edges of the statist, fiat monetary paradigm.  Stop the government from issuing ANY form of money --- it no more needs to be involved in dictating what individuals can and cannot exchange among themselves than it "needs" to dictate to us what we can and cannot voluntarily and freely chose to ingest.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:09 | Link to Comment The PolyCapitalist
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Hello accelerated bank run throughout the periphery, and Hello the only plausible response: capital controls.

http://www.polycapitalist.com/2011/05/breaking-greece-leaving-eurozone.html

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Eurozone is just a common currency agreement among too many different cultures.  The thing had failure written all over it from the beginning.

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment 101 years and c...
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amazing this would come out on the 1 year anniversary of the flash crash.  AMAZING!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Bonesetter Brown
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'Tis but a scratch

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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This pretty much makes all other news irrelevant barring a Bernank resignation.

If Greece does it to them, it means the Irish will also.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Reggie Middleton
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I don't know who here reads my stuff, but if Greece pulls out the European bankings system sill hit a ditch that would make Lehman look like a bond rally. May reference:

With Greek Debt Yielding 20%+ and Trading at Half Par Value, European Banks Are Trapped!

Monday, April 25th, 2011 by Reggie Middleton

Well, if Greece does default or restructure (and the market is telling us that Reggie is right in that this is a foregone conclusion), then…

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:45 | Link to Comment falak pema
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The greeks and the germans are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So if they can't agree to a compromise : Haircuts + austerity strapping in Greece (killer blow to population), there is no satisfactory solution. Its a lose-lose by the looks of it.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Drachma
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Default and resurrection of the Drachma seems the most expedient way out of EuroHell.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Ya. But it opens up the fractional reserving genie and the fictional reserving genie and it forces banks to use accounting that's not Disney approved.

Still doesn't make it the wrong move. Greece needs to pop out the drachma.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:47 | Link to Comment tmosley
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I like your stuff, Reg.  Thanks for the explanation.  

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Eternal Student
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I agree. +1, Reggie.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:22 | Link to Comment hambone
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Senior Middleton,

enjoy your insights but far too honest - I prefer simple (non)solutions to complicated, interconnected problems.

Will continue to read your stuff and agree where we are today...but curious in regards to how you propose (in general) to protect wealth in this environment?  Given the world you paint of unrecognized losses and interwined liabilities...what has worth, value, utility in a deflationary world papered over w/ reflationary policies?

Take for example the REIT's (as you are well aware), these are trading at 2.5yr highs regardless the generally poor CRE and RE enviroment they exist within.  The unrecognized losses papered over w/ yields, low rates, and extend/pretend financing has put a floor under these entities.  Are they any different than the countries you describe in your presentation but only on a national instead of international level?  What is the linkage of the sovereign to the national CRE / RE market?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:17 | Link to Comment stormsailor
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reggie, i saw your article a couple of weeks back.  nice call as usual.

 

does this mean my srs i've been holding since oct 09 will stop shrinking? lol

 

hoping whatever new government we form after ours blows up will include you as the finance minister.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:25 | Link to Comment trav7777
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would prefer a guy who knew the meaning of "penultimate"

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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All right, that's the second-to-the-last time I'm ever reading one of your posts!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Zmelli
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I am also holding SRS! I will keep them until they go back to $200.00

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment The Ponz
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Whenever Greek default is back in the news, I feel the need for the wisdom of Nigel Farage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkEY7_gDCTc

The Euro as Volkerkerker (had to look up that one).  They're all trapped inside an economic prison.  Aeeeyyyyyy!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Robbie4
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Everybody knows that 'der Spiegel' in Germany is absoltely not a respectful newspaper and mostly brings gossip about celebrities and most of what it writes is sensational articles?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Mountainview
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We will see....next Monday !!!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment vocational tainee
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Bs.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:29 | Link to Comment dugorama
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Wha???? no, Der Spiegel is somewhere between Time and The Economist.  Founded by a German POW who spent WWII in Florida and read Time, he wanted to do a German version.  They get as many scoops as Rolling Stone with Talibibi (sp?)...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Trillax
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err, No.  Der Spiegel is actually quasi reputable -- albiet 'Sturmgeschütz der Demokratie' in some fashion.  I've always found them to be somewhat balanced and reasonable;  however, there are times they try too 'hard' for a scoop and jump the shark a bit.  This might be one of those times.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment depression
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Greece FTW Bitchezz !!!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:00 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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Greece, always in for a good laugh.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 11:58 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Go Greece. Do an  Iceland on their banksta ass.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Cleanclog
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Greece has restructured (defaulted) many many many times before.  The country will go on. Most of the people there would rather default, have a currency that perhaps suffers inflation, and avoid the austerity measures they believe others have imposed on them.  They'll turn inward and hunker down in Greece. They won't be the last.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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The dirty little secret is no one actually needs the central bankstaz fiat fractional reserve currencies at all. The news is getting out, big time.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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One year after the IMF landed in the country, the people in Greece prepare for a fresh round of mobilisations

"""Tomorrow (May 6th) marks the first anniversary of the IMF, EU and ECB troika arriving in Greece. In response, base unions, the I won’t Pay movement and struggle committees in workplaces call for a demonstration today, May 5th at 7pm at the Propylea in Athens. They also call for participation to the General Strike of May 11th, and for the struggle to continue and to intensify up to May 15th, which is when the new round of cuts is to be announced.

Today, May 5th, also marks the first anniversary of the tragic death of the three bank workers at Marfin bank. In an effort to capitalise on their memory, the neonazis of Golden Dawn have called for a gathering outside the bank this evening, approximately at the same time with the base union demonstration only a few yards away."""

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/05/05/465-one-year-after-the-imf...

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:31 | Link to Comment gorillaonyourback
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yep

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Financial_Guard...
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Ha! How appropriate for Greece to stick it up someone's rear end. The irony is masterful!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Well done Greece - luckily I have old Drachma's stashed in my drawer somewhere.....

 

This is clearly 'EU Stability' and obviously the union is working - it's not in crisis - that's just the 'speculators'

(I am hoping to get a job as a speech writer for JCT)

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment docj
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Pretty soon, "Going Iceland" is going to sound about as attractive as "Going Galt".

Greece leaves Eurozone - banksters and fraudsters hardest hit.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Ancona
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WOW!

That's a big domino!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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I hope they do, Fuck the EURO! An the irish better follow suit soon, time for this house of cards to come down as there is officially no more band aids left

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Tramp Stamper
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Finally, let the games begin!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Leeeeeeeets get ready to ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumble

 

In the RED corner - Greek Debt

In the BLUE corner - the EU flag

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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What took them so long?  Germany says, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Bleeping Fed
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Umm...no.  If Greece leaves the EU, Germany will be in a world of hurt.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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If Greece doesn't leave, Greece is in a world of hurt.

Pick your poison, I guess.

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Not the Germans I know.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Confuchius
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We don't need your rules.

We got our own rules.

And all you banksters are getting what you deserve:

Rien du Tout. Nicht. Nada. Nothing.

Bankruptcy for the banksters. Got to love it!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Zmelli
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The Banksters dont care about Money, they just print it, its about Control. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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C'MON IRELAND!!!  Do you have any balls left?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yea WTF is up with Ireland, are they now just confined to the pubs all day? Although we cant talk much here, americans are the most pathetic of the lot in the inaction and complacency categories.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment grok
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what can you expect?  the "reserve currency" status has afforded Americans luxury (including the luxury of ignorance).  People get complacent.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Good point Sheep Dog. Actually all of us the world over are int esame state really.

Here in India, dysfunctional capitalism personified, I sit and write a blog. TO take on the sytem head-on is madness. Perhaps the smarter one's are working on it's demise from the inside.

Very interesting time to be alive and mostly sentient! ;-)

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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perhaps one?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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perhaps one?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Doode
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Approved!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Construct
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This is nothing more then 'Theater' for the markets because they want the Euro to fall from these high levels. Nobody is buying anything from Germany when the Euro is this strong. I believe it when I see it.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment InconvenientCou...
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+1

watch the big wheels, not the little ones.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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Do it for god's sake! Take back your sovereignty!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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"The euro-zone countries would have to surrender to the bankruptcy of the country on some of their claims."

Good game guys, good game.

GM'd bitchez.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
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One way or another the "haircuts" are coming. High and tight - Parris Island style.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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-slick-

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Did they actually sell any of their islands in the end?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Navarone. No guns.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Threatens... kinda like Quebec "threatening" to leave Canada.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Kinda like Kramer (cosmo) threatening to not accept junk mail.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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Right after he builds "levels" in his apartment and gets rid of his fridge because he only wants to eat fresh food..  Long live Kramerica Industries!!!!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:27 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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He even had his mailbox bricked from the inside.

Nice pop culture reference.

+1

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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fyi.......For all you "seinfeld" fans........jerry has a new website....started today.....all his old stand up bits...

 

http://jerryseinfeld.com/

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Hearst
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Max Keiser effect?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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That would be B!tchin to see Mad Max leave a trail of middle fingers in his wake after visiting these teetering countries

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment rsi1
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Someone has been creating possibly fake roumours all day today to bring the market down? Bombs in Liverpool street and Canary wharf, now this? mmm..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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If they wanted to 'bring the markets down' all Bernank has to do is press the 'down' arrow on his keyboard.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment rsi1
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Absolutely, this must be someone with less power.. Someone in pain due to a short.. but market looks good for a reversal and drop so he-she might be in luck after all..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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If you've seen that AMC series 'Rubicon,' all I can say is -

Art imitating real life, bitchez!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Precisely.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:15 | Link to Comment mspgrandi
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where did u hear the Canary Wharf rumour? on the trading floor or after a few pints at lunchtime

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment rsi1
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Market News International: BUNDS: No reaction so far in June Bunds on talk that Canary Wharf tube

station in London has been evacuated due to a suspect package. June Bunds are maintaining earlier 51 tick gains at 123.58.
Same source of news as for the Livp street blast. BULLET: UK: City of London police say they have had no of.... 06-May-2011 UK: City of London police say they have had no reports of any incident in London. Rumours had been swirling the market of a blast in the Liverpool Street area.
Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Justaman
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Break out the Ouzo and Metaxa, bitches...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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EU greeked.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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No doubt highly bullish, or something!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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Bumper sticker seen around Athens: "What would Socrates do ?"

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson?  That is the sound of inevitability; it is the sound...of your death.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment SloaneSquare
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The endgame begins...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment wintermute
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Consequences:

Euro shoots higher as weakest country leaves.

Dollar index bounce short-lived and breaks historic low.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Bonesetter Brown
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Uh, no...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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Or.. or... Domino effect of countries leaving Euro cause panic selling in Euro for fear of Bond market collapse and default of debts... No... This will be very bearish near term for the Euro.. Long term for Germany, France, Holland this may be good..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Alex Kintner
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THIS IS SPARTA!! When did Leonidas return?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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There are alot of people here who would like to leave the Joo Knighted States of Joo York Shitty's Imperial Empire bitchez.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Monday1929
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Tyler- do you have any standards at all? Is this poster o.k. with you and ZH?

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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Leave a sample of your crocodile tears here:  http://www.splcenter.org/

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:24 | Link to Comment trav7777
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wtf? he's correct lol

Call the fucking ADL and SPLC and whine

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Monday1929
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I handle things my own way.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:58 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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You've been signed up here for over a year.  Is this your first trip into the comment section?  This site has the best platform for the first amendment I've ever seen online.  If you don't like what he says, call him out on it.  Don't go whining to Tyler.  It makes you look like a bitch.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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1st Amendment rules here friend. After all I am a dirty Kraut and revel in it..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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I am shocked *I say shocked* with your anti-semantic outbursts!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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You are the WEAKEST link

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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So who is in the lead to destroy their fiat currency now?  I can't keep up.  If Greece takes these steps, surely they will take the lead into the toilet with the Drachma next year.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Yes, but they will have climbed out of the septic tank.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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I dont know thats a given, Iceland told the banksters to go pound bagels up their asses, and are doing fine now. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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"Because of the tense situation has been prescribed for the meeting in Luxembourg the highest confidentiality, only the Finance Minister and one close associate may (attend). For Germany participate Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) and Financial Secretary Joerg Asmussen."

What no one from Goldman or Deutsch Bank.

How will they be able to front run the news?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Duh? They just named one from each. Hello?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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I should pay more attention.

:)

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment takinthehighway
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An attendee "accidentally" putting their cellphone on "speaker"...

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Good, let em slow roast in Club Med olive oil.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment LaLiLuLeLo
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Refusing bankster inslavency never looked so good. 

Maybe they can start fishing again

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Greater Fool
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"Guy Who Drinks Too Much and Talks to Other Guys' Girlfriends In Inappropriate Ways Threatens to Leave Party"

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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LMAO! It's kinda like swinging a plastic sword!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment docj
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Heh - don't know who junked you, I thought that was pretty darned funny.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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A junk here and a junk there, keeps me smarter than Timmay. have a good weekend.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment digalert
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Greece should tell the globalists and the euro-dream to fuck off

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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they have been using such news to prop up the $.....will only believe it..if it actually happens

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Just be sure to turn in your EU migration passes on the way out.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment TonyV
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And so it begins .........

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
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Lend to the Greeks in Euros and get paid back in...the new Drachma?

That's not a haircut. That's a decapitation!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment doggings
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:) I said my hair not my fucking throat..

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment oogs66
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And HSBC just came out this morning says greece was money good until at least June 2013 :D

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:16 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Sell all your physical PM's!!!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I closed all my xag out in europe. Sadly I'm short again @ 35.68. Jimmy Hoffa made me do it!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Quintus
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Somebody's selling and I'll bet it's not physical.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Never! The fun is only getting started! Every time I look at my pile of gold and silver, I can hear a central bankster squeeling off in the distance!

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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The gang banger banksters will keep coming back like they did in iceland or else they will make germany's pensioners make up the loss.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Monday1929
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That will harm your nazi friends?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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joo banksters are the neo-nazis

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:19 | Link to Comment mspgrandi
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just back from a  wedding in Greece... the country looked like an abandoned building site....

 

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment AG BCN
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That's just Greece as normal. Probably started a job and then got bored and went for a coffee, then retired at 36.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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LMAO!

I have many Greek friends, and they'd all laugh with me at that!

+1 Opa

 

p.s. - Fuck The Federal Reserve, IMF, World Bank, ECB and all other tentacles of the Reptilian Money Masters.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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like detroit?

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:20 | Link to Comment agent default
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Rumor is probably fake. Even if Greece exits the eurozone, their debt will still be in Euros and even at a 50% haircut they still will not be able to get their deficits under control, and will eventualy have to default outright.

Besides, under the IMF loan treaty signed by G-Pap, the 110bn loan from the IMF cannot be subject to a haircut.  Oh and by the way, under article 4 of the loan agreement, in case of default on the IMF loan the creditors have the right to reposess government property including natural resources, land, government buildings etc, etc.

This will  get bloody.

 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:24 | Link to Comment oogs66
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they will just convert the debt to new drachma at an exchange rate twice what it will trade at.  All the banks and the IMF will hold new loans in new drachma's and carry them at par since they won't be impaired for accounting purposes.

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Quintus
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IMF: We're here to repossess your land and other assets

Greece: Fuck off

IMF: Well since we don't have an army to invade and occupy said assets and you have one to defend them - OK then.  But we'll never talk to you ever again.

Greece:  Good riddance.  So long.

 

I'm not giving the Greek army much credit as a fighting force here, but seriously, how does a bank foreclose on a sovereign nation.  Pure BS.  

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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They shut down their night clubs and poison their olive trees. Greece has no GDP!

 

The EURO is pumping MUD as we speak!

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