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Developing story from BNO. Quotes state media reports.
need more info, tyler.
More importantly, anyone figured out what the O in BNO BNO stands for?
BNO = Breaking News Online
Between China, Iran and Russia, who are all in bed
together, this looks like another coordinated currency
attack enabled by DC puppets. It pays to fade headlines. Insiders over twice long dollars...
Here's a start, Iranian reserves are estimated to be ~95bln (that is the dollar value and includes gold reserves).
It seems like the diversification is a step being taken to ensure that the current administration stays in power and that the reserves keep purchasing power/value. Iran mentioned last year they needed oil at 90/bbl to balance their budget; as a response to the crisis in the early 90's they instituted massive social programs which have balloned alongside the price of oil in recent years hence the high dollar value needed to keep a balanced budget. It is estimated with prices at 50/bbl they would be running deficits by early 2011.
When oil was at ~50/bbl last year (and earlier this year) the Iranian oil sector lost almost 45bln dollars in oil deals because the oil stabilization fund money has been doled out into social programs (subsidies, grants and social assistance to deal with rising unemployment for non oil affiliated labor).
Basically if oil stays below 90/bbl, or if it should fall, they are f@#ked. They are f@#ked even more if oil falls and the dollar declines so they want out of dollars ASAP. But most of their reserves are spent back into the economy and the level of reserves directly correlates to the price of oil.
The Saudi government also in trouble, asking for
bailouts. Was it the Carlyle Group that bought those
$100 calls on crude?
WORLD DOLLAR PANIC IMMINENT?We need to recall that the value of a modern currency is not determined inside the country, butrather on the international foreign exchange markets. This is where the fatal vulnerability of the USdollar is located. In the ruined form of the Bretton Woods system which has prevailed for almost 40years since Nixon's colossal historical vandalism of August 15, 1971, the US has emerged as theonly country with a permanent license to finance imports by simply printing more of its owncurrency and sending those banknotes overseas. Every other country has to manufacture and exportsomething that others want to buy in order to earn the necessary foreign exchange to pay for its ownimports. The US license to print has made this country the buyer of last resort and the dumpingground for the unsold junk of the world, leading in the process to high permanent unemploymenthere. There are many signs that this inherently unworkable arrangement has now reached thebreaking point.
Just when you thought they had run out of ways to beg for an ass-whuppin'.
HAHAH yeah. This is basically a giant leap towards war.
Ten things you probably didnt know about Iran
Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the U.S.
Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war modern history (unlike the U.S. or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of "no first strike." This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.
Belief: Iran is a militarized society bristling with dangerous weapons and a growing threat to world peace.
Reality: Iran's military budget is a little over $6 billion annually. Sweden, Singapore and Greece all have larger military budgets. Moreover, Iran is a country of 70 million, so that its per capita spending on defense is tiny compared to these others, since they are much smaller countries with regard to population. Iran spends less per capita on its military than any other country in the Persian Gulf region with the exception of the United Arab Emirates.
Belief: Iran has threatened to attack Israel militarily and to "wipe it off the map."
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Reality: No Iranian leader in the executive has threatened an aggressive act of war on Israel, since this would contradict the doctrine of 'no first strike' to which the country has adhered. The Iranian president has explicitly said that Iran is not a threat to any country, including Israel.
Belief: But didn't President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threaten to "wipe Israel off the map?"
Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini to the effect that "this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Belief: But aren't Iranians Holocaust deniers?
Reality: Some are, some aren't. Former president Mohammad Khatami has castigated Ahmadinejad for questioning the full extent of the Holocaust, which he called "the crime of Nazism." Many educated Iranians in the regime are perfectly aware of the horrors of the Holocaust. In any case, despite what propagandists imply, neither Holocaust denial (as wicked as that is) nor calling Israel names is the same thing as pledging to attack it militarily.
Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.
Reality: Iran has a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it says it is trying to produce fuel for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders deny that this site is for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly inspected it and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate by 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, assessed with fair confidence that Iran has no nuclear weapons research program. This assessment was based on debriefings of defecting nuclear scientists, as well as on the documents they brought out, in addition to U.S. signals intelligence from Iran. While Germany, Israel and recently the U.K. intelligence is more suspicious of Iranian intentions, all of them were badly wrong about Iraq's alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and Germany in particular was taken in by Curveball, a drunk Iraqi braggart.
Belief: The West recently discovered a secret Iranian nuclear weapons plant in a mountain near Qom.
Reality: Iran announced Monday a week ago to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it had begun work on a second, civilian nuclear enrichment facility near Qom. There are no nuclear materials at the site and it has not gone hot, so technically Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, though it did break its word to the IAEA that it would immediately inform the UN of any work on a new facility. Iran has pledged to allow the site to be inspected regularly by the IAEA, and if it honors the pledge, as it largely has at the Natanz plant, then Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons at the site, since that would be detected by the inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted on Sunday that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons at Natanz precisely because it is being inspected. Yet American hawks have repeatedly demanded a strike on Natanz.
Belief: The world should sanction Iran not only because of its nuclear enrichment research program but also because the current regime stole June's presidential election and brutally repressed the subsequent demonstrations.
Reality: Iran's reform movement is dead set against increased sanctions on Iran, which likely would not affect the regime, and would harm ordinary Iranians.
Belief: Isn't the Iranian regime irrational and crazed, so that a doctrine of mutally assured destruction just would not work with them?
Reality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven't they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel invaded its neighbors more than once. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The U.S. elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism.
Belief: The international community would not have put sanctions on Iran, and would not be so worried, if it were not a gathering nuclear threat.
Reality: The centrifuge technology that Iran is using to enrich uranium is open-ended. In the old days, you could tell which countries might want a nuclear bomb by whether they were building light water reactors (unsuitable for bomb-making) or heavy-water reactors (could be used to make a bomb). But with centrifuges, once you can enrich to 5% to fuel a civilian reactor, you could theoretically feed the material back through many times and enrich to 90% for a bomb. However, as long as centrifuge plants are being actively inspected, they cannot be used to make a bomb. The two danger signals would be if Iran threw out the inspectors or if it found a way to create a secret facility. The latter task would be extremely difficult, however, as demonstrated by the CIA's discovery of the Qom facility construction in 2006 from satellite photos. Nuclear installations, especially centrifuge ones, consume a great deal of water, construction materiel, and so forth, so that constructing one in secret is a tall order. In any case, you can't attack and destroy a country because you have an intuition that they might be doing something illegal. You need some kind of proof. Moreover, Israel, Pakistan and India are all much worse citizens of the globe than Iran, since they refused to sign the NPT and then went for broke to get a bomb; and nothing at all has been done to any of them by the UNSC.
This is pure propaganda bullshit. They have repeatedly threatened to blow Israel off the map and deny the holocast.
I don't agree that it is propaganda. Iran is not aggressive and does not seem to initiate wars - unlike the USA - a country that is permanently at war with someone or the other - and who has troops stationed throughout the world. Why does the US have 50,000 troops in Germany and Japan? Why do they have CentComs and WestComs? In fact, they have thewhole world divided up ready for an attack? They have to keep bombing folks so that new orders pour into the military businesses!
There's a difference. Iran is interested in genocide. America is not.
the only thing you're missing is a fucking brain. when was the last time iran started a war? huh? huh? shut the fuck up you ignorant, gullible, right-wing stooge.
How have you arrived at this conclusion? What makes you think this? I just want to understand your thought process here.
Yeah, you really come off as kind of stupid. Iran has not beat the war drums. What we hear about Iran has been, has always been MSM claims. The most egregious is the "wipe Israel off the map comment"--never happened.
Iran hasn't attacked another country since the 15th century. Israel can't seem to go 15 months without attacking someone.
I agree, directly. I also agree that America and Britain have brought the Iranian problem on their own head by trying to steal another country's oil. But why is it a Persia's business what Israel does? People bitch about the U.S. sticking their nose in other people's business, why is Iran engaging Israel through proxies in Gaza and Lebanon?
And whether you agree or not with what Israel does, if you wish to swat the hornet's nest directly or indirectly you need to deal with the consequences.
BTW, not a Jew or Israeli.
although i have very mixed feelings about iran and am no friend of islam i tentatively concur with your points as i have become a relatively recent convert to the understanding that the cia has instigated most of the bloodshed in the middle east....the cia plays each country there like a fiddle....
i am absolutely positive that al-qaeda was a cia invention and am even more certain that the cia used al-qaeda as a pretext for expanding its permanent bases in the middle east...in fact the cia and the cia only destroyed the world trade center in controlled demolitions using military grade nanothermite developed at skandia labs in 2000.....
the bush crime syndicate started both middle eastern wars in grudge matches against former business partners saddam hussein and osama bin laden aka tim osman.....
furthermore, when we consider that iran released the hostages just 5 minutes after reagan's inauguration it seems obvious to me that it even that event was a cia-op....
the world is not as we think it is.....i am a former nuke them into the stone ages cold warrior and do not make these allegations lightly....there was much discussion about daddy bush's whereabouts in france and switzerland in 1980 at the time he was trading arms for hostages so that he could have a cover of deniable plausibility regarding his orchestration of the deal....as such all of your contentions are quite plausible.....
on the other hand iran is no saint - it has financed syria's suzerainty over lebanon and iran has one of the most powerful militaries in the world - i think jane's ranks them around 20 or so....even so, the theatre in the middle east is a cia / usa concoction....and behind the cia is the rockefeller / rothschild axis of evil which must be destroyed if we are to avoid a fate worse than death....
"i am absolutely positive that al-qaeda was a cia invention"
Well, you are absolutely wrong and absolutely a moron.
Why is the world so full of fools who have a pathological need to believe everything is orchestrated and nothing is really as it seems? Are these individuals lives otherwise so dull and devoid of meaning that the only way they can experience the slightest spark in their lives is to believe every last bizarre and quacky idea that fertile minds can imagine?
I have news for you which you might find disappointing. The world IS pretty much as it seems.
Just felt it should be repeated.. Conspiracy theorists are usually so emotionally (as opposed to logically) driven in their mindsets that they will believe anything. Be it "birthers" or "9/11 inside jobbers"
(on the other hand if you want to talk about how Goldman Sachs is conspiring to screw us over, I'm totally with you.......)
Anon, be consistent.
Either you believe in conspiracy theories or you don't. If you only believe the ones you like or feel are supported by evidence you think is correct, you can't bash other people for doing the same. Or is it you like conspiracy theories that are popular and thus low risk to believe in and support?
I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect. I'm asking you to be consistent in your standards. This is a valid request. Please don't be emotional. Simply explain your logic for believing some conspiracy theories but berating others for doing the same thing you are.
There are two different Anon’s speaking there CD. I know we all look alike, but.....
All the more reason to get a name and icon and start dancing. Still an Anon but now identifiable from the other Anon's.
Mostly becasue there is strong evidence. Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary, like our Secretary of State, to Tony Blair held a press conference a week before Christmas where he announced that international terrorism was a hoax, a fabrication that all intelligence agencies know is an orchestrated creation. He further commented that al-qeada literally means database. It was a database created by te CIA in Afghan Soviet war and held the names of the mujahadeen who the CIA used to conduct operations against the Soviets when Osama Bin Laden was the CIA's boy. To this day the CIA continues to conduct deep state operations with Al-Quaeda
Wow! Must have missed that press conference. I tried to find it on YouTube, but I guess they, too, are in cahoots with the boys at Langley. The tentacles indeed run deep.
For your information, al Qaeda means "the base" or "the foundation" (I speak, read and write Arabic). Only in a stretch might it mean "database". And don't you think the boys at Langley would come up with a slightly more clever name?
You err when you try to piece together loose connections and attempt to make them significant. Did the CIA deal with a nascent al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Yes, though it was truly nascent and no one fully appreciated what it would become. Some suspected, but no one knew. At that time al Qaeda was still trying to define itself, drawing from the Ikhwan in Egypt, the writings of Qutb, and the teachings of the Wahabi's in Saudi. What truly helped it develop was the fact that Osama bin Laden came from a wealthy family and inherited just enough money to get things off the ground. Later he appealed to certain wealthy Saudi's who shared similar views on the ascendancy of Islam and the "holy" requirement to rid the world of infidels and apostates.
At the time of the Soviet occupation, Afghanistan was a wild place (nothing has changed) drawing in all sorts of fanatics from the Madrassa movements in the Gulf and other Islamic regions. The Afghans themselves just like a good fight, and at that time most lacked the fervor brought to their country by neer-do-wells like Osama. Of that latter group, they operated according to the old teaching "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", and tolerated us infidels, though at times it was rather testy.
In the Hollywood version of the tale, which has some of the facts right though it is overall superficial, the most accurate part was the foreboding felt by Gust at the end when we all saw what might become of a fanatic and victorious group of zealots hardened by battle and growing more confident in the rightness of their cause by the day.
Please don't tell me I don't know or was not in on it and that it is all a grand government conspiracy. I was there. I trust my own experience more than a bunch of clowns who think ONLY white men are clever enough to be the puppetmasters of the Earth's entire 6.7 billion people.
Let me just finish by saying to you, "air ee feek, akhu sharmoutah".
al-qaeda is nothing more than a boogie man of
the cia to provide a plausible pretext for its
destruction of the wtc thus propelling amerika
into a war for occupation of the middle east through
ever greater expansion of its military bases there...
it had the fringe benefit of ushering in gestapo
legislation which is why military troops are training
now in texas for imposition of martial law....the
guard soldiers are being asked specifically if they
would hesitate to kill americans if they were robbing
a grocery store for food....
the made for prime time spectacle is pure cia mo
modeled after operations northwoods - a plan approve
by lyman lemnitzer in trying to provide a plausible
excuse for attacking cuba.....it was updated and
retrofitted for the stooge al-qaeda to be the
al-qaeda was the perfect vehicle for perpetual war -
more ingenious than a gas - something you can't
capture, can't touch, not even smell - but you
can claim that it is out there - is anybody listening?
et voila - when the cia reduces the violence it
claims victory over al-qaeda....what brilliance...
what virtuous triumph of mind kontrol....artichokes
bin laden was a bush crime syndicate business partner until they
had a falling out...most if not all of the acts
attributed to bin-laden are u.s. intelligence
operations....i am sure that the boys in langley
had a hoot making all of those videos/audios of
when you get back to the office do a search on
tim osman and see what your database holds....
I have to laugh. I go to work for thirty years, both in the US and around the world, yet someone who has never set foot in HQ or in a station has all the answers. I'm amazed that so many people worked so hard to put on that elaborate hoax for me for an entire career, just so I would play my role and continue to believe in al Qaeda. Oscars all around!
By the way, I know you won't believe this either, but I scoured all the databases for years (I had top level clearances) and I could find no proof whatsoever of any visitation by extraterrestrials. I have to admit I was a little disappointed, until I did the math and realized that in a Universe of this size and this age, the odds of anyone visiting this planet are less than you picking up the single piece of sand on Ipanema beach that I have in mind.
Of course I am sure you know otherwise and regularly communicate with Vulcns and Klingons and all that, but some of us just aren't lucky.
my conversations with klingons and vulcans are more
intelligent than your two year old minded
understanding of events and ignorance of
forensic evidence at the wtc site....see ae911truth.org
for where your database access has failed you....
my whereabouts have no bearing on the truth...nor
do yours especially as you have revealed yourself
to be a compartmentalized cia hack who is totally
out of the loop....
the significance of al-qaeda is not primarily
its existence or non-existence but rather its
osama bin-laden is/was a former bush business
partner who got stuck on the wrong end of a
tomahawk missle....much of that misfortune relates
to enron and carlyle group....
usa intelligence reports to an oligarchy outside
of government....just as it ordered the murder
of john kennedy so it ordered the murder of
american citizens stuck in the wtc on 9/11 - those
who did have the good fortune of receiving
advance notice as some did....
the absence of evidence in a database is not
evidence of falsifiability....
start connecting the dots....the world is a more
sinister place than you could know....you have
not been nominated for an oscar, so please stay
at your table....
Mostly it is believed because there is strong evidence. Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary, like our Secretary of State, to Tony Blair held a press conference a week before Christmas of 2008 where he announced that international terrorism was a hoax, a fabrication that all intelligence agencies know is an orchestrated creation and a convenient cover for acquiring the world's oil. He further commented that al-qaeda literally means database. It was a database created by the CIA in Afghan Soviet war and held the names of the mujahadeen who the CIA used to conduct operations against the Soviets when Osama Bin Laden was the CIA's boy. To this day the CIA continues to conduct deep state operations with Al-Qaeda.
When you say the world is as it seems, that only means that you believe everything touted by the government and the media, which means that you are too lazy to dig deeper. The world is as it is, but it has never been as it seems.
i am not wrong nor am i a moron.....why is it
that the world is so full of fools who have a
pathological need to believe everything is really
as it seems?
usa intelligence destroyed the world trade
centers in a controlled demolition using military
grade nanothermite developed at skandia labs
in 2000....for details please see ae911truth.org....
the bush crime syndicate destroyed hussein and
bin laden as grudge fucks against their former
business partners who either failed to deliver
on agreements or who were too weak to defend their
interests....however, the overwhelming drive
was to grab the oil and push a pipeline through
asia - iraq and afghanistan being prime real estate
for said venture....of course there were some
strategic geopolitical drivers but the bushes on
their own rarely attain to that level of thought.....
if the world were as it seems then revisionist
history would be a dead end....yet we know that
it thrives because new facts, information, and
interpretations constantly surface requiring
reconsideration of previous analysis....
a good case in point is the dowager empress tsu
hsi (cici) who was painted in the western press
as a wicked, depraved, sexual predator murderer
based upon the work of two british "journalists"
who spread calumnies about her in order to justify
the boxer rebellion and destruction of the chinese
two reasearchers, the seagraves, uncovered the
diary of the "journalist" edmund backhouse who
revealed that he lied about his stories for the
times of london concerning cici.
it was not until 1947 that the truth emerged first
and then again a few years ago when the seagraves
published details from the diaries....thus
generations of westerners were spoon fed lies by
a man whom one reviewer described thusly: "Backhouse was a bitter and unhappy homosexual of the type who gives the rest of us a bad name."
now this was in pre cia days....william colby
confirmed that the cia controls or manages every
single news source of any substance in america....
as such i always question what i see in the cia-fed
and let's not forget alan blinder's famously snooty
comment that giving the american people the truth
is the last duty of a central banker...
and so, my dear asshole, there is abundant
evidence that things are not as they seem. truth,
like gold, must be mined from ore.....may your
anti-intellectual mind quickly dry into the
dessicated shrivel that is your dick.
I like your logic.....since two British "journalists" framed CiCi to drum up support for the Boxer Rebellion, then 9/11 was a US Government conspiracy. Makes sense.
Where you're wrong, though, is that the nanothermite was made at Skandia. In fact it was made at a night school at a community college in New Jersey by mixing the secret formula for Coca Cola with Col. Sanders recipe. And the only known copies of both of those formulas were on the 35th floor of Building 7. Now that's weird. And it wasn't "military grade", it was Third Grade, and remedial at that.
I suppose I could do as most people on this site and accept the fact that you are a loon and then ignore you, but I just have to swing at these softballs.
By the way, have you ever been out of your parent's house and seen the world (which is not as it seems to you), or is it just too scary for you? Give it a shot sometime; you'll feel better.
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He/She/It is a naive idiot quoting Salon.com as a source of Iranian political expertise ...
Reality: Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven't they invaded any of their neighbors? Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded both Iran and Kuwait. Israel invaded its neighbors more than once. In contrast, Iran has not started any wars. Demonizing people by calling them unbalanced is an old propaganda trick. The U.S. elite was once unalterably opposed to China having nuclear science because they believed the Chinese are intrinsically irrational. This kind of talk is a form of racism.
'Rational'? You really want to use that term? You mean the same politicians who shoot innocent people in the street for disputing the election results?
rationality is such a misunderstood term.
At least my computer is going to be rational and send this message when I hit save.
The entire MSM reporting of a 'rigged' election was a lie... sorry.
The opinion polls where 2 to 1 in favor of Ahmedinijad prior to the election.
There was an effort made to destabilise the Iranian regime for months even years prior to the election... they spent hundreds of millions and even funded known terror organisations to assist them... want to guess who?
$400 million actually to assist known terrorist organisations to plot civilian bombings... and... this is where it gets interesting...
To steal the elections after the fact... curious?
I thought everyone knew this already... be sure to check out the links...
I don't think the grassroots opposition in Iran, the 'Green' movement, would agree with the whole 'terrorist' assessment.
The Basijis are the terrorists, shooting civilians from rooftops, riding motorcycles through crowds and beating them.
Next I suppose people will be saying that the kangaroo trials they held recently were just a fabrication staged in Hollywood. And the reports of torture, rape, and killing of imprisoned protestors...probably just an overzealous Twitter poster, right?
The so-called 'supreme leader' and his puppet Ahmedinejad need to be removed from the world stage. It appears Khamenei might die soon, and hopefully a more rational cleric will replace him. Ahmedinejad doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon, having populated all levels of government with family and loyal appointees.
Once they get rid of the autocratic theocracy, there *might* be a chance of being able to say with a straight face that they're a rational player. But only if they can rein in Mahmoud.
I for one would welcome the removal of autocratic theocracies anywhere they exist.
I am no fan of what oppressive regimes do to control 'their' own citizens nor what militarily adventurous 'regimes' do to 'liberate' other nations for their own political, economic or military purposes.
That said I still believe that no-one in Iran is going to nuke Israel or the United States... that would be insanity.
That's all very fascinationg, but your response to my comment is absolutely meaningless since it does not address my point. At no point did a speculate as to whether or not the election was rigged. Nor did I opine on any other actions taken by any other government. The only thing I chose to comment on was something that appeared to be a glaringly obvious disconnect between the description of the politicians in charge and how they treat their own citizens. That being:
The current Iranian regime was described as 'rational', a word I questioned with the following facts about the regime's actions toward recent protests, which resulted in people being shot for protesting, or for just being at the protest. http://mrsgrapevine.com/2009/06/graphic-video-iranian-woman-killed-in-pr...
The USA allows by law the execution of mentally retarded people, including under aged children ( adolescents ). The USA by law allows for people to promote Nazism, where in every other country they end up in jail, the USA is waging 2 wars against countries that did nothing to the security or sovereignty of the USA.
Now i ask you, just by pointing out some examples; who are the rational ones here ( hint; no one ). Also the US has elected a president which believed that waging wars is OK because Jesus told him it was ok. I see no difference, except the difference in the hegemonistic nature.
Ok, for disclosure (and hopefully to get my point across), I do not approve of American emperialistic foreign policy of preemptive war waging.
My point had nothing to do with Bush's beliefs and actions no more than my opinion of Michael Jackson's beliefs and actions. My point was simply that the Iranian regime, which was described as 'rational', is not so. That point, for the Nth time, is not a mutually exclusive assertion about the rationality of other politicians, including politicians of other countries with which Iran may have desagreements with, Comprende?!
Daedal; i agree fully. And to answer your question; there is not regime ( government ) which is rational, never was and never will be.
Well, in that case, we're in agreement.
Agreed CB, governments are the problem. Some are worse than others, but they are all bad. They can destroy property and mass murder, nuff said.
Ok so we have a lot of sex pistol fans here?
Never ceases to amaze me how stupid people had to be to elect Bush.
Even calls Chirac to tell him that God wants him to invade Iraq...
How did the MSM miss this one? Gee I don't know...
Please... John Kerry was a better alternative?
Yes, John Kerry would have been infinitely preferable to the dry drunk frat boy with the ego problem who took his orders directly from God.
It's difficult to argue with your reasoning...
you may be right. kerry perhaps would have been another clinton. i would take some women coming to the white house from time to time and occasionally bombing someone instead of perpetual war for perpetual peace and two on-going wars that seem will never end. one thing is for sure. the swift boat people said that kerry was some kind of idiot but i will say this much. he did go into the battle zone and he did fight, at least. which is more than i can say for bush. but alas, as usual i find myself getting caught up in the left right paradigm which really doesn't exist since both politcal parties are in reality the same. i love your name by the way. as doctor byrne might say. it has a certain cachet....
Who better than God can give orders? You liberal elitist?
You are right...
I thought about that after I posted... the choices suck.
Al Gore and John Kerry. Nothing really would have been all that different... perhaps a little less foreign adventurism no patriot act and a perhaps tens of thousands fewer dead... then again maybe not.
And that's the whole point of a two party system that is actually one party with two factions.
No matter which way you take at the fork in the road, you still wind up at the same place.
Screwed but (in our minds) free to chose.
to my knowledge there were many other 35 or older natural born US citizens that served as alternatives. You do know that as long as they meet the qualifications you can vote for whomever you want, right?
I would add shooting college students at Kent State to the list as an excellent example. Burning all those people in Waco was some pretty sick stuff too. The ruby ridge thing will bring a tear to your eye.
ruby ridge ? oh please! white people are pussies and should just admit it.. now beat down a brother with sticks and we'll burn down L.A. in a heart beat. Don't even go there.. Ruby Ridge lol
As opposed, to let's say, taking it out on the guys that did the beating. Makes sense.
Your rock misses you.
Which politician exactly shot the protestors?
Read your above post.
You ask me that quesiton, but do not hold your own points to the same criterian. I don't recall Bush shot any Iraqi or Afghani either, but that doesn't mean he's not responsible for them being shot.
"Neda" translated from what I understand means "voice"... how appropriate... and convenient... a little too convenient perhaps?
What a rallying point for a revolution designed to overthrow a regime (which it is... I won't argue there...)
Check out my above posts and follow the links... then we'll talk.
You source a *Truthers* website as definitive proof of a CIA conspiracy and you expect people to take you seriously?
Your only redeeming quality is your choice of Avatar picture which is fittingly funny in an ironic sort of way ...
zerO, of course the Iranian ambassador to Mexico is going to be talking his book. hardly a reliable source in this case (though i also choose to believe that the cia's greasy prints are somewhere around the election drama for sure).
what i find rather humorious is that the US state dept called twitter & 'asked' them to postpone routine maintenance during the Iranian protests:http://bit.ly/I5EUq
then the FBI turned around & busted a dd protestor for using twitter during G20:http://bit.ly/3XwOuk
hypocrisy is one of america's greatest goods ya know,available for the domestic market and for export.
Hypocrisy is the number 2 export of the U.S., behind only fraud.
All informational sources are to be considered suspect.
The consensus of government, MSM and the majority of economists is that we are out of the recession. Information that I can easily verify on line suggests otherwise. Question motivations and follow the money-trail.
I just think that $400 million should give you alot of bang for the buck when it comes to attempting to overthrow some repressive theocracy... so we should carefully scrutinize any 'facts' that emerged to see if there are 'fingerprints'. If this wasn't part of a CIA Op (totally possible)... then what the f*ck did the $400 MM buy us?
Afghani = the currency used in Afghanistan.
Afghan = the name of a citizen that lives in Afghanistan.
You were saying Bush shot a currency.
Looks like Turkey is joining Syria and Iran in Zero's alliance of peace.
How Turkey was lost
All you thug-regime cheerleaders and believers in America's supreme evilness will soon be able to savor the coming world war and the end of the era of western prosperity.
Rational? I mean why would you want to use a term like that? They are like politicians who shoot innocent people like the for protesting the Vietnam war like they did at Kent State on May 4th, 1970.
Or maybe rational like politicians hand out our children's future to the central banks, create hyperinflation, create food shortages, all the while raping the taxpayers to line their coffers.
I think Iran's politicians have blood on their hand, but I will give them this. Their political system seems to be slowly improving from where it was in years past. On the other hand ours seems to be getting worse. It amazes me that our politicians choose to forget we live in a glass house, don't be a victim to their foolishness.
for similar pictures look at Gordon Gekkos reply to Vitalyi Katsennelson's las post.
It is the first comment.
For election results look at both W elections that were - say disputable at best.
You are a cut and paste idiot!!
You are a cut and paste idiot!!!!!!!!!
With all due respect comrade, how do we know everything you've said isn't propaganda? What do you base your observations and conclusions on? Something you've read on another website, or from your own in depth investigations onsite in Iran.
I guess a few questions could be asked.
Is Iran a state sponser of international terrorism?
Was Iran involved in the Beruit bombings in 1983?
Did Iran supply shape charges and technical assistance in the making of IED's in Iraq to be used against American troops?
Does Iran supply financial and military assistance to insurgent groups in Iraq?
Does Iran financially and militarily support its proxie allies in Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza?
Who supplied the rockets that were fired from Gaza into Israel?
Although these are not reasons to bomb Iran back to the stone age, I sincerely doubt that Iran is as innocent as you make them out to be.
If Iran truly wanted peace with Israel they could easily negotiate and sign peace treaties and begin free trade agreements. It would then be up to the Israelis to accept or reject such overtures by the Iranians.
Why is it that since Anwar-Sadat during the Carter years, Egypt is the only Middle East country that has signed a peace treaty with Israel?
I suspect that the top-level Iranians still secretly harbor the desire to eliminate the Jewish presence from the Middle East. But, that's just my opinion.
You say Iran is harmless, I say a few thousand years of history prove otherwise. From the Persian Empire to Thermopylae to events over the last 25+ years.
IMPO, I believe Iran would love to build an atomic bomb. I'm also under the sneaky suspicion that if either the US or Israel show any real intent to bomb Nuclear facilities in Iran, the Iranians may suprise all by exploding a nuclear device that no one believed they possessed. Like a good poker player, you don't show your hand until called.
But, these are just the rabid ramblings of a tinfoil hat wearing paranoid sociopath that relies on the idiot tube for financial advise and just so happens to be a unimaginative, unintelligent, conservative boor.
Good call Tyler, how perseptive of you, you've actually managed to peg me to a 'Tee'. Now I think it's time for a round of golf.
"From the Persian Empire to Thermopylae to events over the last 25+ years."
Are you serious buddy... check out your ancient history sometime.
Cyrus The Great (the Persians you know) liberated the Jews... freeing them from their Babylonian exile... I thought he was a hero in your culture...
You had better run along and change this Wiki entry...
Look. In 1953 the Iranian parliament, democratically elected, was destabilized and destroyed by the CIA and MI6, after Iran wanted to tax oil that British Petroleum was exporting.
This is admitted.
Before we discuss anything else, let's discuss that. Okay? Good, I knew you would listen to reason.
Now, let me add: Basically everything else you have written is wrong, except for funding to Hezbollah, which is a great thing, since the corrupt regime in Israel is completely out of line in the desire to create the Greater Israel, plans that were drawn up in the 1980's.
The awakening is occuring, and everyone who has promoted lies will be held accountable, in one way or another.
And the real reason Iran is threat to US corporate power:
Iran's recent move to dump the US dollar for euros.
Remember Bush's "Axis of Evil" ?
AXIS OF EVIL MEMBER NUMBER 1:
Saddam Hussein changed all Iraqi oil transactions in the UN food for oil program from USD to Euros on Sept. 24, 2000. The move paid off for the "Saddam-iser" as the Euro appreciated 30% against the USD in 2001.
AXIS OF EVIL MEMBER NUMBER 2:
North Korea changed all foreign transactions from dollars to euros effective Nov. 2002.
AXIS OF EVIL MEMBER NUMBER 3:
iran began talk of a free trade zone similar to Swiss duty free trade zones for the express purpose of oil and commodity transactions among middle Eastern and Asian countries in Euros. The proposal was put forth in 2001 as Iran was monitoring Iraqi windfalls from the USD to Euro swap in UN oil for food...
Other countries that have been threatened for not playing with Bernanke Bucks by the US Corporate Military:
Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba...
Not the only reason the US Corporate Owned Military wants to kick Iran's booty. But it is funny how this USD v Euro seems to always lead to US threat of military butt kick.
Belief: You work for the Iranian government as a mouthpiece of propoganda.
Why don't you challenge something specific that he said, maybe do a little research as opposed to claiming he works for the Iranian government. I knew most of this stuff from years of research because I am well aware the US government constantly lies to us.
I think the citizens and the militaries around the world need to tell their politicians to pound sand and tell them to hit the negotiating table or hit the road.
<sarcasm> I am a man I am .... but it is much easier to attack the person than the views; get with the flow; facts don't matter when we talk about Islamic countries; don't you know that the are just savages occupying the territory of the chosen ones ? </sarcasm>
The truth of your statement is scary.The Iranians are Human Beings.I am completely disgusted by the demonization of the Iranians in our idiotic, "let's all cheer for war" media.
It is just sickening.No reality is necessary , just hate will do.
My country is run by super villains.
Only profit matters.....kill them all.
if someone would give the palestinians and the jews of the middle east some dna tests, one might find some interesting congruencies. then one might compare those test results to the russian and european "jews" who have come there since the 1940's etc. one might find that there is no common blood ancestry. so if that is the case and it is, then who are these people that have taken over the land of palestine? usurpers and liars perhaps who use the Bible to cover their exploits and as a defense against the evil things that they do, in order to fool the Christian right in amerika, land of the free and home of the brave (cough, couph)....so far it has worked, but the internet is making a dent, and this is why there is a push to control the information flow and at this very moment , the hate bill, is making its way to the president's desk for his signature and so we begin the short road downward to the time when speaking such things will get you a prison sentence.
it's called a joke, man. I neither reject everything this poster writes, nor eat it all up without some critical analysis. but with regards to my post, it is in jest. take a chill pill.
Lets take a look.Suppose the Iranians build 5 bombs..and further suppose they make them small enough to put on a missile...and further suppose they can hit the US with them.Lets also suppose 60 kilotons of yield.
Visualize New York city after a 60 Kiloton hit....pretty bad right?
Now visualize W-88 warheads from sub based missiles with a yield of 475 kilotons raining down on Iran.Add a few 1 megaton B-61 air dropped bombs for good measure, or a few 1.2 megaton B-63's.
My uneducated guess is that most Iranians would think this was a bit of a bummer.I will further guess that the Iranians need to not be screwed around with any more.I hope we can survive the kind of idiots that think bombing Iran would be fun.....
It would only be fun to those who rejoice as peoples are exploited and killed for their profits...a sorry state of affairs indeed.
Try turning the TV off.You might realize that the Iranians are Human Beings.
We won't nuke em'. We'd have to make really long sideways straws to get the oil if we did that. Can irradiated oil be processed and used safely?
The oil would be fine.If we used something really dirty, the surface would be too hot to work on for a time ,however.
If we lost New York, I have to disagree with you.We would nuke them.Ultra harshly.And it would happen very, very quickly I imagine.
Heavy handle you pick for yourself. I was half joking with the assesment we won't nuke. We are the only ones who have in all the world. I am aware of sideways technologies to drill oil. If we lost New York, I am certain we would do it and get everything we deserve if we did. Hell on earth, with fire and brimstone.
Dropping the dollar and giving other entities the courage to do the same is another kind of "nuking" is it not? On this playing field we do not have parity.
True enough.The whole economic warfare aspect is ugly and out of control.And running the printing press like a maniac ensures the dollar going away as a global reserve currency.The FED is destroying the dollar far more effectively than Iran ever could.The whole corruption/evil/idiocy thing.
As to the handle...a Cistercian is probably as far away as one can be from a greed addled
minion of the squidsters.It also implies that there are truths which are objectively true, unlike the pernicious situational ethics that is now so in vogue, and used so effectively to deceive the public.
We haven't see nothin' yet. This process in now on an exponential growth trajectory.
Besides, if desired all that is needed is a neutron bomb to take care of it. There are also non persistent chemical & biotoxic agents and oh so much more.
Some consideration to the name..
About the Fed destroying the Dollar faster, definitely.
All the talk of dropping the Dollar globally is just the expected reaction to the Feds policies. The US is doing this to itself.
as only Beavis can say it "Uhhh huhuhuhu, what?"
i, for one, applaud you for your effort put into writing this post and give you + 10000 for the truth which is written in it. good job.
The truth is out there...
How people can be so lazy with the answers easily available at their fingertips is what I find frightening.
Easier to get your opinion from a network talking head I guess.
i, for one, applaud you for your effort put into writing this post
Cut and paste plagiarism doesn't take much effort.
Oh please, the IAEA has found highly enriched uranium on multiple occasions.
"But with centrifuges, once you can enrich to 5% to fuel a civilian reactor, you could theoretically feed the material back through many times and enrich to 90% for a bomb. However, as long as centrifuge plants are being actively inspected, they cannot be used to make a bomb. The two danger signals would be if Iran threw out the inspectors or if it found a way to create a secret facility."
They *did* block inspections and the *do* have a secret facility.
You're an idiot.
Apparently the IAEA has consistantly gone on record saying the opposite.
Check your facts buthead.
That's all very good. I hope we strike sometime before Xmas.
Good post VegasBD...
It's about time somebody told it the way it is...
MSM is wheeling out the Iranian WMD dog and pony show... looks like a lot of sheeple are buying tickets...
Iran=Iraq=Afghanistan=Vietnam=Korea....=Which ever future war.
"MSM is wheeling out the Iranian WMD dog and pony show... looks like a lot of sheeple are buying tickets..."
"MSM is wheeling out the Iranian WMD dog and pony show... looks like a lot of sheeple are buying tickets..."
I couldn't have said it better.
"It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did..."
lol, good one. Israel is the Soviet Union. No, that's not a stretch at all.
4 out of 5 of your first 'realities' are rife with weasel words. The nuclear stuff may be valid. I agree on the sanctions.
"Iranian politicians are rational actors. If they were madmen, why haven't they invaded any of their neighbors?"
This is not logically sound, as is the rest of that particular spin on 'reality'. Ahmedinejad's public statements evince a very unstable psychology, and his government, from the top to local levels, is filled with family and loyal appointees. Calling this a 'rational actor' is wishful thinking at best. I would agree there are plenty of rational (reform) politicians in Iran, and its people are beautiful, but neither of those actors are in power.
Please send me some of your Kool-Aid. It must be verrry good.
The thing is, short of maybe the Dalai Lama ruled Tibet prior to China's invasion and India just after its independence with Ghandi's leadeship, there are not many modern nation states lead by SAINTS. And I am sure even if those leader were saints, the regime and ruling authority around them contained many people not as moral as their leaders.
I think it should go without saying that anyone our media tells us to hate and to go to war with is likely not as bad as they tell and the anyone they tell us are the good guys are often as flawed as the bad guys. For at least every holocaust level genocide were are taught about in history, hear discussed in MSM, there is at least one other similar one that goes virtually ignored. We know Hitler killed millions Jews, Gyspies, gays, disable etc. but do we know the name of the guy the headed up the slaughter of the Belgian Congo involving millions also. There are others that should be household names just like Hitler, say like the Pope that sat down with European leaders 1800s to get them to stop fighting over Africa and assigned each country there portion of African where they could rape and pillage, un-touched by their fellow European rivals. Nice work for a religious leader, dividing territories for grand scale crimes on humanity like a Mafia boss does city neighborhoods...and we could go on, and on.
One big huge glarely thing about Iran in relation to the US in the last 50 years that gets completely overlooked and almost completely un-mentioned in mainstream media is the undisputed, long-admitted fact that in 1953 the CIA et. al. took out Irans's nationalistic leader Mossadeq and put in the Shah
After that coup d'etat, all of Iran's national political trajectory is forever changed and we have to admit Iran's various regimes acts since then are at least partially the result of what our US regime (cia meddling b@#!$ds) did in our name in Iran. Ted K on his show on Iran hostage crisis EVERY night never once took the time to mention US's removal of Mossadeq and propping up of the Shah just a few decades earlier...
VegasBD, Bravo for the bit of balance you've provided. A very similar list, with Iran replaced by USA, would contain a much larger list of documented realities which would be far more troubling for the mindless sheeple and others that actually still have any faith in the corrupt leadership of our country in both major parties... Our government can not be trusted about anything on any level. No lie is too big. If we don't stop them, our evil leadership will probably again start a major needless war in an attempt to end the recession/depression. Iran is simply the most convenient opportunity at this time, in spite of the realities to the contrary. Everyone needs to do everything they can to stop such a war from starting, and you're definitely doing your part. Thanks.
I do not think this HTML means what you think it means.
Giant serious comment about Iran eaten by Google Chrome bug.
You can always tell when you touch the nerve of a Israelite!
Prepare to get served!
Anyway, here's a little color while we wait for confirmation:
Owners of US debt:
Seems like Iran fits in the Oil Exporters category, along with a bevy of other countries. Anyone have any idea precisely how much Iran owns?
Will Hugo Chavez try and follow suit?
Let it Loose Hugo, even if Obama is your bestest friend...
PS I do think many countried will follow suit, if not formally, then by simply not holding dollars any longer. They know that the dollar has to go down if the US is to meet its obligations, but they dont have to be the ones stuck with the zombie greenback. It will help the helicopters strategy (since every1 will be selling dollars) but not in a good way, since there will be lost control.
Great video TD. Thanks
There are lots of folks (small & medium sized nations) demanding settlement in various forms of barter refusing to use US dollars. This process is reaching the point where it is easily discernible in the public domain.
IMHO...This action by Iran not that big of a deal on its on. If other nations follow suit then it will be significant.
There is nothing currently that can replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. (unless you want to trade gold/silver)
yes i would most happily trade gold/silver...
I'm an old man, I knew/know people who worked in the big slushy area of the mideast to India and southeast Asia - they might have been 'ugly Americans'. There wasn't and, probably, isn't government as Westerners think of it in these countries - Hussein got clean (probably never had) on WMDs but could never figure out how to 'treaty' his way out of 'bad guy' status, so Bush mugged him (for purely WMD violations not to control oil) - Iraq and Iran ran their own war on each other for years - to a no contest; Russia and now USA have tried fighting places that have no capital (nothing on the ground of value) and are slow to figure out that you'll never know you won (or be able to convince anyone you won) but will when you lose.
bush destroyed hussein because of personal
business gone bad and he couldn't deliver on
the pipeline across iraq, afghanistan which
would ultimately lead to china.....
surely bush mugged hussein on wmd charges but
charges which were as baseless, contrived, and
false as the protocol of the elders of zion...
"...so Bush mugged him (for purely WMD violations not to control oil) ..."
OAM (old anonymous man), you forgot to mention your other disability - dementia praecox. We'll have to leave it there, as we return you to your regularly scheduled MSM matrix programming.
You forgot number 11
Iran executes homosexuals
There are no homosexuals in Iran
Iran produces about 4m barrels a day.
At $70 that's $280m in USD.
The rial is officially traded at about 10-1 with the USD and 1,475 with the yuan, which it sells most of it's oil to.
The yuan trades at 6.187 to the USD, so let's see what a day brings:
Iran produces 4m barrels that it sells to China.
In return they get about 420 yuan for a barrel (6*$70).
or 1,680,000,000 yuan for the day.
However, if they were limited to trading only with China, the 4m barrels of oil they sold would be worth $189,830 USD if I understand this correctly. (1.68m/1,475)/6
And the Yuan is pegged to the dollar, so no intrinsic advantage. The Persian, Chaldeans, and Jews I work with (I live in socal) are savvy business people, they (the Iranians)will play these currencies off of each other for comparative advantage.
Does anyone with half a brain think the Europeans want to be the reserve currency, even if it was stable enough long term? The strong Euro will crush Germany and France. Look what a little Yen appreciation is doing to Japan.
My view is either one of two things are happening. We are playing a game of chicken with the Europeans and Asian paeg countries to break their trade mercantile advantages (alleviating our manufacturing death spiral), or we made an accomodation with China, and our orbit has shifted east. Obama does not hold the Europeans in high regard (through words and deeds)and we see the writing on the wall and will pivot for our future advantage.
The Europeans will be left negotiating with the Middle Eat and Russia alone. Maybe France can defend them.
If they don't need nuclear weapons, they should open all facilities to inspectors right now and allow the UN to monitor all activity asap.
Unless of course, you wish to become a regional proxy for war with the US. Then, with the backing of Russia and China, gain control of the most critical energy supply on earth.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Sino & Soviet navy kept the Strait of Hormuz clear of any "Israeli" threat.
If Iran's military was a car, it would be a Yugo.
I think Costa Rica could kick their ass.
Domestically they don't need much military to keep people in line because they've pretty much disarmed their populace. The only citizens who can own guns, to my knowledge, are the Basiji government-sponsored militia.
absolutely incorrect.....according to globalfirepower
iran's military ranks 18th just ahead of mexico....
the vatican could defeat costa rica....
So, how big a deal is Iran's move in the whole scope of things, does this really have meaningful implications?
Seems like a total non-event to me.
It will be fun to watch the BRICs try to get around the buck. They can't since Russia's GDP is -9%, China is a fallacious bubble with silly numbers, Iran is just in the game for fun--so what do we really think of this? If the US doesn't buy oil in any currency due to a severe downturn in the economy, they all get squat. Game over.
The US NOT buying oil regardless of currency required?
Fat chance, the US will ALWAYS buy oil no matter what is asked to pay for it. The only game over in your scenario is the one being played by the US.
Go ahead, put your flag away. Waving it here won't produce the rally around the red white and blue reaction that you are looking for. There are clearer heads in this room.
I don't understand why everyone wouldn't want to wipe Israel off the map for the 9/11 inside job they had a hand in.
Maybe because those of us that lost 20 or more friends on 9/11 don't have any proof of your allegations. I worked on 104 WTC1. Don't put your totally unprovable crap here.
you need to meet the 800 pound gorilla
Not totally unprovable. More proof is surfacing every day. I just love the one where the Israelis were warned to stay away that day.
Gee, Michael. I lose 12 Jewish friends that day. You need help.
Gee anonymous your vapid argument of appealing to emotion has no effect, I lost many of my liberties that day with the patriot act that was written before 9/11 and the loss of trust in some branches of government. Hundreds of thousands have died for our liberties which are more important than the illusion of security used to get the public to move towards a chosen agenda.
That said, I dare you to read the following two links:
Important excerpts: Israel recognized for the first time Wednesday members of a hardline group dismantled some 50 years ago in Egypt for carrying out bomb attacks aimed at destabilizing relations between Egypt, the United States and Britain.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about the evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information." FBI statement
SENATOR GRAHAM on Foreign country involvement: "It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it's relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today." (24) (emphasis added)
Senator Graham is suggesting that US intelligence knows which foreign government helped the terrorists, but the government isn't going to tell us for another 30 years! Given the current state of anti-Muslim war hysteria being promoted by the media and government, common sense dictates that if an Arab government was ever discovered to have sponsored 9-11, we'd be seeing the evidence night and day on the controlled media, and hearing about it non-stop from all the President's warmongers as well as the Israeli-occupied US Congress and Senate. This alone is evidence that no Arab government was involved in 9-11.
Research the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty attack, and Operations Northwoods before you question what is possible. In addition, the same firm that ran drills on the morning of 9/11 of ironically planes being crashed into the WTC ran drills on the morning of the London bombings 7/7 of a bombing - both times the drills were duplicates of what actually happend - if you think that is a coincidence you are mistaken. These events are part of the PRS system (problem, response, solution) to convince the population to give up freedoms in the interest of their personal safety and country sovereignty to a global government that "will protect you - from horrible terrorists or world ending comic book global warming". If you believe this you are the sheeple, the lemmings easily influenced. You should all know the Benjamin Franklin quote by now.
US Surveillance and Rights Reduction Act aka Patriot Act
Benjamin Franklin They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
I would like to add that most wars throughout history have been about resources (land, water, gold, food, energy) or religion.
Relevant Hermann Goering quote:
I actually admire Obama for taking an unpopular position by voting not to go to war with Iraq (nothing to do with 9/11, everything to do with oil). There are powerful interests that want a war with Iran for access to their strategic oil reserves, it will be interesting if the crowd responsible for awarding him the Nobel Peace Prize or the hawks will ultimately win out (and Iran's actions will of course influence its future). I don't think we really know if Iran is a threat since we get propaganda instead of unbiased information. They could be a threat (financially and oil supply) but they may not be a real threat (militarily).
Obama didn't vote against the Iraq war. Once he was in the Senate, he voted for every war funding bill that came up.
If you want to support someone who actually voted against the war and all subsequent funding of it, there's Ron Paul.
Quite correct, I should have stated his very public position on the record that we shouldn't go to war with Iraq, and I do respect Ron Paul. The difficulty with voting against funding after starting a war is that it becomes an issue of providing armor to your soldiers and can be twisted by adversaries.
My point is about taking unpopular positions, however you pointed out an important point that he represented an area that was anti-war so perhaps his position was popular. On a national stage it was an unpopular position at the time but it turned out to be the correct position and he did aspire to go national. With the gulf area gravitating out of the petro-dollar, even geo-politically we will not hold on to the temporary advantage.
Only a handful of representatives voted against the "un-patriotic" act, and they also have my respect for upholding the constitution.
BTW... Great posts Apocalypse.
I voted for BO, but don't be so impressed with his anti-war stance given the context...at the time he was not a US Senator, he was representing a state distric that was quite anit-war. Move not as courageous as it seemed and now we see he does not have much courage. But neither does Hill, she couldn't summon the courage to vote against essentially the same corrupt, big-bank-written bankruptcy bill in 2005 that she lead WH resistance to when during Bills admin, she knew it was wrong but caved to the business interests of her state, NY. Same for voting for Iraq war, she knew what she was doing, what Bush would do with the resolution, but she couldn't stand up against prevailing opinion in the state hit by 9/11..at least in the case, she was voting consistent with her electorates popular sentiment...but the bankruptcy bill, that was cowardly.
What right have you lost, practically speaking. Nothing. You whacko's are just that whackos. You will lose more rights when haveoializedicine than any Patriot act provision. you are what is called a useful idiot of the left.
You are a scared little child, too scared to even register. For the record "when haveoializedicine" makes no sense here on earth. I am neither on the right or left, but completely objective. Although you provided no substantive argument other than childhood name calling, I will actually honor your poor post with a reasoned logical comment just for your enlightenment.
As for the Patriot Act, the suspension of habeus corpus essentially makes our Presidents into emperors. Anybody could be called an enemy combatant and be held indefinitely with no rights, especially a political opponent of the ruling party. In addition, they were able to use state letters to take internet provider information without a court order. Many of these unconstitutional provisions have been struck down in court. Listen to what the judge said in striking down the national security letters:
In a sharply worded 120-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero found in favor of the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a lawsuit on behalf of an unidentified Internet service provider challenging the FBI's use of a type of administrative subpoena known as a national security letter. Such letters do not require court approval and prohibit targeted companies from revealing that the demands were ever made.
Marrero, whose court is in the Southern District of New York, ruled that the provision in the Patriot Act allowing such letters "effectively bars or substantially deters any judicial challenge" and violates free-speech rights by imposing permanent silence on targeted companies. Writing that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," Marrero ruled that "an unlimited government warrant to conceal . . . has no place in our open society."
"Under the mantle of secrecy, the self-preservation that ordinarily impels our government to censorship and secrecy may potentially be turned on ourselves as a weapon of self-destruction," Marrero wrote. ". . . At that point, secrecy's protective shield may serve not as much to secure a safe country as simply to save face."
The constitution was designed to protect you dear naive anonymous from your government, and is what differentiates our great country from all the others. Individual rights and freedoms, without it YOU are nothing.
Very astute observations and very well said.
Yes, I like Apocalypse Now, and lately CB also. I had written CB off as an annoying post whore but lately he provides substance.
U and I are friends too, 0head. I like u. U r a crazy cat.
The boys at GS are regretful for allowing the editors here at ZH(ZionsHedge) to publish Iran stories. Soon GS will have the power to suppress freedom of information on the Internet.
I must warn you I can be slightly retarded at times... it's the meds you know.
Get an avatar and a cool name... And don't forget to tell us all what you think especially if you disagree... that's how we all learn here. :-)
Let me step in here as what you might consider a non-anonymous poster...
"Gee anonymous your vapid argument of appealing to emotion has no effect, I lost many of my liberties that day with the patriot act that was written before 9/11 and the loss of trust in some branches of government."
So recognizing that you have a right to your own opinions... I also have a right to my opinions... and here they are:
So continue on spewing out your anti-semitic bullshit... but it doesn't fly with this gal. And there is little you can say to intimidate me... but I am sure you will try with all the bluster and bravado you can manage... so good luck :-)
You have called him out and I acknowledge I am in the process of "not minding my own business."
I further acknowledge that when I saw him post that opinion, I kind of groaned.
Cause I like Apocalypse Now. I respect most of what I see him post, look forward to it a little when I see Marlon above a post. He does not post much.
I too would have wanted to see him be more sensitive regarding the losses people have sustained. But I don't see all the things you have accused him of. He is not a bully. He is not, as near as I can tell, racist. Could be I am dense. And everyone can thoink on each other and attack each other and quite frankly I don't know you so it does not really matter, but what the hell. I am stepping in and saying this guy has been pretty consistent, I enjoy his posts, I enjoy you.
And he may never see any of this!
Please be open to the possibility that there has been a misunderstanding. I am open to it that I am wrong, he is anti-semetic, and a bully, but that is not what I have seen in the past. What you may be seeing you don't like is male socialization which priviledges logic/efficiency over sociability/concern for others. It is a way of knowing clash.
I will be interested to see what happens next. I will learn alot about the functioning of my own radar regarding blog posts and their posters.
I am always open to the possibility that there has been a misunderstanding... and I also agree that male socialization escapes me from time-to-time :-)
I agree that some of his posts are insightful... but this one imo was over the top... and likely I may have gone a little over the top because of that fact. And you are right... he may never see these posts... and if so we learn nothing more about the intent... and perhaps he did not mean to come off so callous to another person's tragedy.
Thanks for your perspectives... and as you say it will be interesting to see what happens next.
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