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SEC Charges Goldman Sachs With Fraud On Subprime Mortgages, Paulson & Co. Implicated

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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 18:42 | 304867 bigkahuna
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The SEC will not bring any of this down. We all know they are inept and/or impotent at their job. Thats why no one is investing anymore outside of the strange auto-trading that is going on. You hit the nail on the head though--when the crows truly come home to roost, it won't be any federal joke of an organization that causes it--it will be infighting between these insatiable thieves.. 

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:37 | 304252 Miles Kendig
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And reintroduce the concept of work that contributes to rather than destroys society.  For the moment I would like to see the perps dressed out in jumpsuits, reflective vests, goggles, hard hat, gloves & boots while working as societies pooper scooper's.  No hiding in prison for 'em.  Make them live, work and do everything else within society dressed out in their uniform at all times.  Perhaps there is still a reason for the Cabrini Green's to exist after all.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:45 | 303914 Racer
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Maybe their IS some justice after all?

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 16:47 | 304682 Al Gorerhythm
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You're funny.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 16:47 | 304683 Al Gorerhythm
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You're funny.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:46 | 303915 sheeple
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N. Muntz: HA HA

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:46 | 303917 Goods
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Lip service.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:48 | 303927 RockyRacoon
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All sorts of sordid comments come to mind, but I'll remain civil until more facts emerge.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:49 | 303934 GS is short Gold
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+1.  GS will pay a fine without admitting any wrongdoing. nothing to see here, move along.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:48 | 303924 docj
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Sweet - but I'm curbing my enthusiasm until I see suits being led-out of 200 West Street in leg-irons.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 17:19 | 304749 dumpster
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the problem on that one .. is every one wearing suits are up to their eyebrows in muck.

'so a suit has to rat on a suit,

.  some one wearing a suit at the top has to lead the suit people to the calaboose ,,, fat chance , every one would be in jail 

the leg irons will be continually worn by the citizens

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:49 | 303925 john_connor
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They'll pay like a $100 million fine, admit no wrongdoing, and be done with it after booking billions on the scheme.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:04 | 304005 Hansel
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I was thinking it would be closer to $1 million without admitting or denying culpability.  The suit is good for a headline today, but tomorrow it will be out of the news.  GS will get off because the SEC knows its master.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:40 | 304140 buzzsaw99
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exactly. they are connected. they are a gubbermint guaranteed bank holding company with zero deposits and 100% control of the gubmint. The SEC will be disbanded before the squid goes down. Steal a hundred billion, pay a million dollar fine.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:48 | 303928 Edna R. Rider
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GS defense lawyer:  "No we didn't."

SEC lawyer:  "Oh, OK, our bad."

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:53 | 304173 Oh regional Indian
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:-) That was funny!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:42 | 304265 Miles Kendig
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Edna, you forgot the judge that will say; "I must defer to the SEC as the courts have no desire or willpower to exercise oversight of this part of society".  See the Rykoff decision in SEC v Bank of America for a recent example of this process of judicial exclusion is action wherein the victims get to pay the perps fine.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 13:41 | 304311 Oh regional Indian
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:-) Funny! Brevity is indeed the soul of humor!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 17:08 | 304731 Alienated Serf
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you forgot-

sec lawyer- "ok tell ya what, we'll keep lookin around anyway so you can run up some serious bills.  then when this is over, you hire me as partner"

GS- "Deal!"

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:48 | 303929 Fidel Sarcastro
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The SEC won't do a fucking thing!  A small fine - period to keep the surfs from an uprising.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:49 | 303930 RockyRacoon
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Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Fri, April 16, 2010 -- 10:39 AM ET

S.E.C. Accuses Goldman Sachs of Fraud on Mortgage Deals

Goldman Sachs, which emerged relatively unscathed from the
financial crisis, was accused of securities fraud in a civil
suit filed Friday by the Securities and Exchange Commission,
which claims the bank created and sold a mortgage investment
that was secretly devised to fail.

The move marks the first time that regulators have taken
action against a deal that helped investors capitalize on
collapse of the housing market. Goldman itself profited by
betting against the very mortgage investments that it sold to
its customers.

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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:49 | 303935 reading
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I actually don't care what the outcome is at this moment -- I am just happy to see SEC, GS and fraud in the same headline for once.



Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:32 | 304121 RockyRacoon
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That's what they're hoping for. A large storm cloud but no rain, no lightning. The average person will say, "Great, they're all guilty just as we thought." Then the cloud passes and GS goes back to business as usual. The sun rises and all is well with the world. Why do you think this came out on Friday?

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:31 | 304200 Cognitive Dissonance
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Just as Obama was billed as "change you can believe in" this lawsuit will be trumpeted as "change you can believe in". The sad part is that the average Joe (and I suspect some ZH family members) has been so starved for justice that any bloody body thrown to the lions in the coliseum will be deemed a "good start" and the pressure valve will be released.

WE ARE BEING PLAYED AGAIN FOLKS. Keep your focus on the prize, not on the smoke and mirrors on display today. Don't let up and "hope" things have turned. They have not.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:51 | 305186 Howard_Beale
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I totally disagree CD. And Bob Dylan supports me on this, because the times, they are a changing. Mark my words. This is the beginning of something big and no printing press in the world will fix it. It's going to snowball as big as an Iceland Volcano--just might take a little longer.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 10:32 | 305557 Cognitive Dissonance
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I was simply trying to say that this lawsuit in and of itself will go nowhere if people relax and wait for the system to "change" by itself. The SEC, if it really is serious about prosecuting fraud, must have the popular support of the masses in order to move forward. If most people now go back to sleep assuming the cops are coming, the political will to follow through on this lawsuit will evaporate. This is why I ended my comment by saying everyone must not relax.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 16:13 | 306905 Problem Is
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I agree with CD.
This has all the potential of Kabuli theater and guess who the bitches are?

If we get another SEC v BofA, $33 million fine and no admission of wrong doing then guess what?

We been had...

If the SEC blows this case...
Civil fraud charges are likely done for Wall Street let alone any criminal fraud.

As I Said in a Previous Post:
Worst of all, betting on the SEC to win is like betting on the Skipper and Gilligan to get that coconut powered radio working...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:47 | 305246 Clinteastwood
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I think something else is going on, and it's much more cynical.  GS and Paulson knew that Congress and Bush had no idea about finance, that the Community Reinvestment Act was the worst piece of legislation to come down since the Great Depression.  All those nincompoops owing a mortgage.......???????? you gotta be kiddin' me. How else you gonna get the word to those Barney Frank Chris Dodd nitwits in Congress drunk half the time that:


You can't have 50% of the people on the dole just so you can get votes.  You can't have an sustainable economy that returns interest at greater than 3-5%.  You can't buy votes by creating money outta thin air.


So...............if you want to bring some reality into the system, what do you do?  


You take all their money.


You know the system is unsustainable, so you intentionally set up multiple (not just this measley SEC example, multiple, many times over) CDOs that are DOOMED............. and you buy the CDSs that will make you rich when the whole thing goes to hell in a handbasket.


There's nothing to see here, investors should know the risks.  If they don't, tough.  If the SEC doesn't like it, tough.....Goldman Sachs is too big to fail.


But look at this:  What's the net result?  GS may have accomplished it's purpose.  No longer are there unsustainable home mortgage loans (you gotta admit, that's a thing of the past).  No longer are there a bunch of nitwits out there creating a bunch of mortgages that cannot be repaid.  No longer are there mortgage backed securities to defraud investors.  No longer are there unsustainable stock prices because of cheap second mortgages.


What this country has needed is a wake-up call from cheap credit.  GS has done its part by creating the catastrophe.   Long live GS.  After all, that's what capitalism is all about, right?  Boom and bust.  Caveat emptor.  Come on Zerohedgers........it's high time the baby boomers weren't babies anymore.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:01 | 305427 cossack55
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So then, Can we count on the CFTC indicting all owners of physical PMs as counterrevolutionaries or would that come form the JD or DHS?

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 09:57 | 305493 ToNYC
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Not this time. Death by a thousand pricks...still the best way to draw blood and bust a balloon. Lloyd Blankfein meets Michael Milken.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:13 | 304198 Won_Over
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I'm with you. Happy for now, while at the same time I know its a joke until someone sees jail for minimum 10 years.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:50 | 303936 thewhigs
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Don't worry, the meltup will continue unabated...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:50 | 303937 percolator
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Whoop de do!  GS will get a small fine without admitting wrong doing.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:50 | 303938 Hugh Janus
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news should be positive for the market, next stop 36,000.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:53 | 305189 Howard_Beale
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Right, green shoots and Dow 36000....so last week.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:45 | 305497 ToNYC
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pardon duplicate

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:47 | 305799 ToNYC
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Dow 36000..no worries. Keep your eyes closed again, and do 3:1 reverse split of the Dow. "Numbers on paper"...mose allison's finest.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:51 | 303943 Advocatus
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Lol, it's true. Look at NYT.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:51 | 303944 Ragnarok
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Purely political, WH needs a victory and congress wants to pass the financial"reform" bill.  WH thinks Americans (anyone not on the far left) will rally around this cause.  It's an election year don't cha know.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:03 | 303998 Carl Spackler
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Winner, winner...chicken dinner!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:08 | 304032 IE
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That's what I'm thinking too. 

I wonder how much damage GS would consider doing to the market "in protest"?  How much *could* they do, if they didn't have cooperation from JPM et al?

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:14 | 304057 Ragnarok
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1. Scores political points

2. Gets the rest of the PDs in line

3. Ensures sucessful bond auctions


One problem though is that public confidence is tied to equties, you wouldn't want to crash those before an election. I thought they would wait until after the election, I think the WH is in a gambling mood.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:35 | 304128 IE
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They're kind of stuck, right?  Need to pass Fin reform & feed the angry mob before the election. 

My guess is they'll allow the market to tank *a bit* if necessary to get these things done... and then announce QE2.0 in a few months to float things again.  They're going to need to prop up housing more anyway - so they might as well get something out of it (the 3 things you mentioned).

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:22 | 304099 Tethys
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I would guess GS was given warning of when the announcement would be made and an opportunity to short their own stock (down 10% so far today).  The media will hype this as and administration victory and to appease the masses, GS will profit on their shorts and use the proceeds to pay the fines, no one will go to jail.

There is no way the administration would truly go after such a high-level contributer without forewarning.



Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:35 | 304247 holdinmyown
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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:42 | 304266 tip e. canoe
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now that's thinking like a Rahm.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 15:50 | 304568 WaterWings
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Heh. Oh, and for the RNC, hedging?

Goldman Sachs

JP Morgan Chase & Co contributed to both as well! LOL! More to the Repubs. LOL!


We're so freaking dooOOoomed!


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:53 | 303945 Justin Credible
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GS lawyers will *crush* anything the SEC can bring.

GS will pay a small 'handslap' fee and all will be forgotten

by dow 15K during June.

I just hope the ZH servers will be able to handle the traffic spike after this news release.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:02 | 303991 IE
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GS lawyers will *crush* anything the SEC can bring.

GS will pay a small 'handslap' fee and all will be forgotten

Not if the administration needs a very big sacrifice to the political gods. 

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 11:10 | 304038 Ragnarok
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