Brent Near All Time High When Priced In Euros

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Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:03 | 1134016 EscapeKey
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That's ok, we'll just print some more.

Petrol in the UK is getting ridiculous, too. £1.359/l, and £1.429/l for diesel at my local when I checked this morning.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1134118 Dr. Porkchop
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1.29/L CDN

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:20 | 1134125 unky
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2 weeks ago we had 1.63€ for regular gas in germany

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:33 | 1134216 AG BCN
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Still not too bad in Barcelona, Euro 1.36/l for diesel.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:53 | 1134244 unky
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Diesel was 1.48€ here (when regular was 1.63€)

Because they introduced the new gasoline E10 in germany, so the normal gas got way more expensive.

Good that i am not using a car anymore and just rely on the subway ;- )

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:06 | 1134392 AG BCN
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Spain still charges the same for both, I expect the Spanish gov will change that soon and put a premium on diesel as per UK.

It makes no sense to have a premium on unleaded, would you buy a petrol car where the fuel costs more, fuel consumption is greater? Something is wrong in the fatherland.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 21:29 | 1135284 Bobportlandor
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OUCH! 8.76 US gal.

I have a 78 Ford Supercab PU that I have kept, gets 12.5 mpg. At thoses prices it will never run again.

Got a Q, can a guy 6'4" fit in one of thoes euro cars?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 03:42 | 1135885 Zeno of Citium
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I'm 6'3'' and do fit quite comfortably in. And with 55mpg diesel, I don't really feel the price issue yet. I'm currently paying 1.33€/l in France.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:56 | 1136246 GBruenetti
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Sure, I'm also 6'4'', and we drive a BMW Mini Cooper S. OK, only al legeless person could fit behind me, but the seat isn't even in it's most backward position.

I can fit with no problem in everything that comes from Volkswagen, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Seat, Skoda and generally everything above the Microcar-Level (except Smart - this is also no problem)

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:27 | 1134492 LawsofPhysics
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Wow, $5.30 per gallon.  Do you think that when this hits the United States that the dollar will also lose reserve currency status or Americans will simply loose it? Discuss please...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 21:37 | 1135306 Bobportlandor
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Forgot to do euro to dollar conversion.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:39 | 1134219 AG BCN
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Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:03 | 1134018 tekhneek
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Perfect. $10/gallon!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:18 | 1134127 Cash_is_Trash
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Great. $50/ounce!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:30 | 1134701 VegasBD
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I can only get an once for $700 or so.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:24 | 1134019 Troublehoff
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Thank god for George Osbourne's 1 penny relief in fuel duty! 

Surely the 20% VAT on the recent increases, let alone the increases themselves nullify that.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:04 | 1134021 camoes
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But you can't eat oil, wankerz!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:08 | 1134042 EscapeKey
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What do you think the food down the supermarket is? We might as well be consuming raw crude.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:18 | 1134436 speedy
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I don't think many people realize that.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:37 | 1134025 hambone
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Oil, smoil...look at the utter lack of market volume today.  Right there with X-mas, new year, and thanksgiving for no trading. 

Computers 1, humans 0. 

The market is now officially BB and BS's bitch!!!

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:06 | 1134043 AldoHux_IV
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Until we fix that which holds us back from reaching our true potential we will continue to make the same mistakes-- buy a car, buy gas, buy American, buy, buy, buy.  The fed will continue to destroy anything that is not represented by the top1% of the world-- the king is greedier and greedier and will eat your babies soon.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:00 | 1134617 CrashisOptimistic
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We already reached our potential.  

It's all downhill from here.  The oil is gone and so is progress.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:08 | 1134046 DoChenRollingBearing
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Need more news out of Europe, Tyler...  I am convinced that Fukushima and Europe are the straws that bring this all down.  Ahh, MENA too...  Maybe even our debts...

I really enjoy repliers Sudden Debt, Azzanoth, EscapeKey, etc. who offer views from Europe.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:07 | 1134048 equity_momo
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ECB raise next week , BoE next month and then the Fed de facto tighten by virtue of no QE extension in June.   Full house.  

Elevator going down , not stopping till the basement. Anyone want me to hold the doors? 

Alternatively we could just have 170 dollar oil , 7 dollar gasoline and no economy to speak of , but hey , Wall St would have the roads to themselves. Perhaps thats the plan.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:11 | 1134061 EscapeKey
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If that happens, we're fucked.

Of course, if it goes up, we're fucked too.

Personally, I still reckon Bernanke, in a moment of absolute panic as the markets are melting down will hit the "print to infinity" button.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:14 | 1134082 equity_momo
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Well thats what makes a market. My own pittance is backing that he wont be allowed to blow up his own institution , the reserver currency and Wall st through the nuclear response and instead will create another oscillating decline in asset prices - namely the stock market - to chase asshats like Blackrock back into US govn debt and bring down the cost of borrowing and the cost of living. Just long enough mind you to take us to a lever where there is some political cover for more printing. With oil at 120 there is no cover....

Its 2008 all over again.  The frequency of oscillation is also speeding up.  Going to be a wild ride.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1134115 EscapeKey
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I hear you, but it's much, much worse than in 2008. At the moment, we're teetering on the edge of the bumpy plateau, and the only thing saving us from peak oil is reduced demand, which will come from one hell of a depression.

This won't be much fun. Get your cheap weekend holiday to Barcelona in now, before it's too late.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:20 | 1134139 equity_momo
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Demand destruction is the only thing that holds off peak oil. I believe the scumbags running this ponzi arent ready to head for the hills yet and have one more jerk on the leash in store , hence lower prices as they try to kick the can just a tiny bit further down the road.

A great depression is probably what we need - im an optimist though.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:22 | 1134151 Dr. Porkchop
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I guess the first to fail will be the passenger airlines. They can only consolidate and cost cut so much before people simply stop flying. The industry is doomed.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:55 | 1134331 unky
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personally i would prefer a 2008 event in which everything drops (stocks, PMs). then load up one last time and go all in on PMs...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 23:51 | 1135617 Founders Keeper
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[...then load up one last time and go all in on PMs...]---unky

Unky, while I appreciate your appetite for risk, IMO you are playing with fire. Yes, I too expect a pull-back on PMs following a downturn in the stock market, but the risk reward is not worth playing the game.

Too many unknowns during the next down turn. Consider:

--Will my credit card receive authorization for online PM purchases?

--Will extended banking holidays threaten PM purchase orders?

--Will US govt devalue our currency over night, effectively making your purchases prohibitively expensive compared to PM prices today?

--Will PM dealers gouge buyers with unreasonable fees?

--Will PMs be sold out and "back ordered" indefinitely?

--Will the PM mines be nationalized and restrictions placed on amounts of bullion private buyers may purchase from dealers?

--Will the US Mint halt all sales of PM bullion?

--Will gov't add exorbitant taxes on all PM sales?

--Will USPS lawfully ship PMs?

--Will FedEx or UPS still be in business?

Etc., etc., etc. See what I mean?

If you are not "all in" today, you may "all out" tomorrow.


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:11 | 1134064 Ben Probanke
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gasoline prices in europe (obviously in euro/ltr) are allready above the peaks of 2008. Diesel not yet but approaching fast

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:12 | 1134066 Flakmeister
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        great observation. Recall my numerous calls that it was time to start fading when Brent hit ~$125, well, it appears that the time is nigh.. Definatly time to sell calls....

Statoil has done a moon-shot for a "major"...The chart for PSTR is also of note....

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:12 | 1134078 EscapeKey
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Their discovery was only around 500m barrels, nowhere near supergiant territory, and they rally as if the oil crisis has been resolved.

Sheer insanity.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1134116 Flakmeister
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Not when you are in STO at ~$20... :)

There is a seminal article on Refining over at the Drum from last week. I strongly suggest anyone interested in oil to check it off. It is by Carnot and it is deep.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:24 | 1134159 hambone
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appreciate the sanity of your comments about market choking on $120 oil...but that assumes a sanity on the downside that has been completely overriden by liquidity and likely direct intervention on the upside.  Hate to say it but appears there was a clear interventionist shift from a little push or shove here and there from TPPT to an outright policy of intervention.  When Big O said it was a good time to buy stocks in March '09, he knew what he was talking about. 

Now, it doesn't have to be an all or nothing Fed policy.  They likely can find middle ground options to run some TOMO's while simultaneously pumping elsewehere to offset and overcome the TOMO's.  I guess I just don't believe sanity or reality will intervene until TPTB want it to or they forcibly lose their grip on power.

All conjecture and opinion but my two cents.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:38 | 1134242 Flakmeister
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Yes, I hemmed and hawed about what to do when oil rockets like it has. I traded the energy patch up to the '08 peak and played it well, not perfect. I left alot of money on the table. I did reload on the dip... As I see it selling out of the money 6-9 month calls on equities is one way to hedge along with buying and holding cash flows in the O&G sector

My apprehension has to do with when the Fed "loses it". I am fairly convinced that QE3 will be on the sly, the Fed can only be sucessful in monetizing when oil is weak.. An in your face QE sends oil to $160 with the Euro at 1.50 and we agree that world economy collapses. Also at play is the oil-backed dollar, that will only change at gun-point. The US gold reserves, assuming they even exist as claimed, covers 1 year of imports.

My take is that The Fed/Treasury is entering it's death spiral, but the US military will be dominant for another few years. Hedge accordingly....


Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:41 | 1134257 EscapeKey
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You reckon the PDs will enter a game of Repo-that-treasury with the Fed, in order to keep the yields down?

In which case, we essentially have entered John Law territory.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:00 | 1134363 Flakmeister
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Death Spiral is John Law for intents and purposes....Yes, I think we are there.... 

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:53 | 1134294 hambone
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Definitely hedging accordingly.

Only point I'd make is that I sort of anticipate a false flag, terrorist, or like human crisis that will shift focus from "long term stable policies" (haha) to short term revenge or fear based policies (all terribly effectively allowing massive inflation under the premise of national security).  Beyond that, hard to see what, if any, tricks are left up the sleeves of those at the control panel. 

Seems wild but given the lose / lose premise of "to print (stagflation or hyperinflation) / not to print (deflation / depression)", I really can't see beyond 1 to 3yrs maximum now of this playing out further w/out severe repercussions...with no idea of when something snaps how it plays out and what the new reality becomes. 

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:58 | 1134339 Flakmeister
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Very nicely stated....

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:13 | 1134647 CrashisOptimistic
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F-guy, as you know I am profoundly pessimistic in how I see the world proceed with the upramp in price.  The key phrase is:

It Can't Be Tolerated.

The destruction of the future of young people will be perceived in the next crash, as those few early 20's workers realize their bosses are not going to retire and the company isn't going to grow.  There will be no promotions.

Scarcity then starts to trump price.  Period.  Full stop.  It's not about price.  It's about . . . fuel.  The engine(s) won't be able to run.

The military solution will cease to be securing of supply.  It will very wisely transition to destruction of competing demand.  80% of China's populaiton lives within 40 miles of its east coast and the US SLBM force have enough warheads to . . . take advantage of that.

There simply won't be any choice.  "Fair sharing" will never work.  No one will accept anyone's definition of "fair" that costs them GDP.



Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:24 | 1134679 Flakmeister
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I don't disagree with you, but I do not like to argue from that perspective. I always have need it to survive.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 17:59 | 1134612 hardcleareye
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F-meister, have read Joules Burn, Global Refining Capacity on TOD.

Would highly recommend Headingout's series Tech-Talk-Oil Producers (series of articles broken down into output production).

This is a link to one of them

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:26 | 1134687 Flakmeister
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Been there....done that... But yes, they are cracker jack articles....

Joules posted the article, but it is by Carnot... It is almost more that you ever thought people knew about refining...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1134080 Sudden Debt
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It's just freaking nuts!

I'm paying almost 500 euro's a month on fuel JUST TO GO TO WORK!!

Soon it will be cheaper if I buy myself a rickshaw and a chinese guy to go to work... just imagine... feeding costs, a sleeping basked for the guy so he can sleep in my garage.... costs costs costs....

and before you know it, the kids will also want one... I'LL NEED A BIGGER GARAGE!!



Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:23 | 1134157 camoes
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Soon chinese will be making more than you in gold-backed yuan and they will hire you to take TOEFL tests and write letters of recommendation so they can attend Ivy League and Cambridge...

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:38 | 1134240 magpie
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On the other hand, some people could receive a lesson in structural unemployment like is being meted out in the USA right now.

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 16:59 | 1134346 unky
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the yuan is big bullshit, did u ever try to find someone to sell your yuans too? nobody wants them,thats my experience

Mon, 04/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1134668 Ahmeexnal
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If you wanted to pay your groceries at walmart with gold or silver, and the cashier refused your bullion....does it mean gold and silver are "big bullshit"?

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