Is The Budget Deal On The Verge Of Collapsing?

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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:49 | 1162748 RobotTrader
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Obviously, the debt ceiling doesn't matter today.

TLT and TIPS both experiencing voracious demand.

TIP is now paying 6.4%, probably pretty attractive while risk assets are imploding again.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:50 | 1162763 max2205
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Try 2.68% RT...gezzzz

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:06 | 1162836 IBelieveInMagic
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OT, Tyler or any reader, any perspective on the feverish BRICS meeting in China tomorrow in advance of G7 meeting this month? Does it look like positioning for some serious negotiations on new financial order? Any thoughts?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:19 | 1163070 Imminent Crucible
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RT is looking at the yield on Barclay's TIP bond fund, not the actual TIPS yields. The current top rate for TIPS is the 3 7/8% April 2029 30yr, issued in April 1999.

The TIPS rate is set when the bond is auctioned and stays the same to maturity. The inflation-indexing is accomplished by adjusting the principal due (but you don't get that back until maturity). So, rest assured that your 30-year investment with the USG will be returned (eventually) in inflation-adjusted FRN's, with the rate determined by the same guys who model owner's-equivalent rents and the edibility of iPads.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:55 | 1163151 Piranhanoia
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30 years. Two radioactive products, a bond and the half life of cesium 137.  Both quite poisonous.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:26 | 1163371 Misstrial
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Not sure why you were junked, however what you post is true.


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:36 | 1164151 RockyRacoon
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Looks like an influx of RoboTrolls junking anything that makes sense.  What this joint needs is a Thumbs-Up button.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:52 | 1162772 Cdad
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You mean the TLT is doing a light volume melt up....just like everything else in this Ponzi market.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:05 | 1162811 baby_BLYTHE
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You don't quit You cannot just print up all this play money, put it into the economy and expect zero consequences. We are all going to pay dearly just so an egg-head academic can go around giving speeches on how he saved the entire world from certain implosion World wide Benocide is just getting started. We are about to enter an inflationary Depression that will look and feel worse than any economic collapse in history. If you don't have gold. Get some now along with a firearm to protect ur family.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:13 | 1162858 Cleanclog
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We issue $6 Billion a day in debt but Congress can't figure out $38 Billion in REAL cuts?  Sham. Gonna get super ugly  on next round and next year's budget.  

Can't help but laugh every time I hear one shill or another talk about how this or that will be okay by 1225 budgetarily.  Really?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:15 | 1162865 slaughterer
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Make way for "Budget Deal 2".  Coming to a vomitorium near YOU!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:38 | 1163251 nmewn
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Hey!...they'll only spend 1.4 trillion >>>more<<< than they actually have in revenue this year...LOL.

I remember when everyone freaked over a trillion dollar budget...instead of a trillion dollar budget deficit.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:03 | 1162820 Clamdigger
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That all-new avatar is totally throwing my game off.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:09 | 1162843 Robot Traders Mom
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Thanks Robo. I'm surprised the football team let you out of the locker.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 19:42 | 1162983 Zero Govt
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Oh Good, Clown Show The Sequel in 2 weeks... they'll be putting NBC out of the entertainment and comedy business if this continues with Ronald Obumma McDonald as cheif red nose and size 19 shoe wearer leading the circus ...simply can't wait for his budget speech tomorrow, should be non-stop comedy start to finish   

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:04 | 1163028 SheepDog-One
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LOL Robo youre such a poor troll.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:10 | 1164106 Ying-Yang
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Robo... I bet when you eat salty popcorn at the Saturday matinee, your crabs get thirsty and they get up to go get a drink of water, you hop up and change seats.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:47 | 1162750 max2205
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SHOCKED!!!! You can't make this shit up...Tea Party is going to be all over this like Barnney Frank at a chuckie chesse

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:04 | 1162823 mynhair
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More like Chucky Schmucky over a TV camera...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:50 | 1162751 CPL
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Three Card Monte for the win!!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:56 | 1162754 hedgeless_horseman
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And then, all of a sudden, there will be a shutdown. And no plan to end it. And make no mistake—the public will blame the GOP.

Nobody blames anyone for a blessing. 

We give thanks and praise!

  1. Shut the Federal Government down.
  2. Shrink it to at least 1/5th its current size.
  3. Reap the thanks and praise.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:56 | 1162786 NOTW777
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usually they blame Bush first then Palin

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:22 | 1162894 Rick Masters
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Do you believe in trimming the defense budget by say a $100 billion? or is that off limits?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:25 | 1162901 mynhair
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Only after DOE, DOA, NIH, DHS, DOS, HHS, and ED are eliminated.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:19 | 1163066 HeadintheGame
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WTH's wrong with including DOD equally weighted with all those other bloated bureauracies ?  Just because killing people is the most efficient thing we do in government, shouldn't give it a free pass.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:35 | 1162933 hedgeless_horseman
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Do you believe in trimming the defense budget by say a $100 billion?

I am all for it, but it would take a miracle.  Bring 'em all home. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:46 | 1162969 Backspin
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Cut defense by 100B?  Shoot, there's as much bloat and inefficient beauracracy there as in any branch of government.  I believe that any reasonable person should be able to trim at least 300B without much trouble.

Think that's crazy?  Then cough up 300B, please.  It's just not there, people.  Not there.  I'm thinking about this thing called Reality, that most politicians ignore.


Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:40 | 1164165 RockyRacoon
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I've been disenchanted with the military budgets since 1971.  My Air Force job was electronic tech and we used a "bench stock" for small parts for repairs.  Each little bin had the price on it as well, as a measure proposed to let us know how much of the taxpayer money we were using in our work.   Simple shit like common resistors and capacitors (not mil-spec) were priced at $8 to $15 each.  When we were out we'd run over to Radio Shack and buy them out of pocket for a ten cents to a quarter.   I was never fooled again.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:57 | 1163295 nmewn
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"Do you believe in trimming the defense budget by say a $100 billion? or is that off limits?"

You could take all of it (680 billion in 2010) and not even get half way to the deficit...let alone the debt outstanding.

That's how big the numbers are.

They have a spending problem not a revenue problem.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:52 | 1162760 bob_dabolina
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I'd rather live in total anarchy than watch this never ending bullshit.

Our government is so useless 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:01 | 1162787 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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"Our government is so useless"

- Not true, they are brilliant. They couldn't have executed this plan any better really. They have managed, for their masters, to steal vast amounts of wealth from the majority of citizens and place it in the hands of the few. Not too mention the fascism they have managed to impose in such a sort amount of time...

... most people don't even realise what the government has done to them, let alone do anything to oppose it.

A big standing ovation for a masterful government puppets, their owners must be very pleased with the progress made so far in enslaving the populous with as little resistance as possible.

Bravo i say, slaughter the sheep.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:21 | 1163073 SheepDog-One
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The govt is brilliant compared to the stupid neandersheeple public.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:43 | 1164172 RockyRacoon
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I'll agree that Fascism may be the result, but I'd argue that it was not the original intent.  It is a normal offshoot of the type of greed being demonstrated, tolerated, and encouraged in certain government and financial quarters.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:11 | 1162845 andybev01
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[an-er-kee] –noun
a state of society without government or law. 2.
political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. 3.
a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society. 4.
confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.  I'm not seeing a difference here...
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1162931 Zero Govt
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the dictionary definition of anarchy, like the definition of capitalism, is academic bullshit

so-called 'anarchy' is usually applied to extremely brief (a few days) times when Joe Public lop the heads off the delusional parasitical elite. This is of course not anarchy, but clearing the parasites and a return to social (natural) order

Anarchy is not the result of no Govt or Law, it is in fact a state of Govt and Law (tyranny). Both are Totalitarian controls over a free people (try not paying your tax to feel terror)

We have been well and truly brain-washed to accept a persistent state of elite parsitical control. We have truly forgotten what actual freedom is and how much of our wealth and liberty is robbed every day of every month by the Govt

We are living in a State of anarchy where the parasites are running riot across societies (not nations, they do not exist either but are pure political fabrications to border and then tax and control us)

We were born free... from that point on we are systematically tagged, bullied, coralled and robbed (and lied to) by the State, by parasites

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:23 | 1163077 HeadintheGame
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Wed, 04/13/2011 - 03:43 | 1164398 StychoKiller
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Sorry, o confused one:  Anarchy != Chaos

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:50 | 1162762 Cdad
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Well, then there will be a shutdown...because the Dems actually want one.  However, there must be a mistake in the article because it says, "make no mistake, the public will blame the GOP."  Ummmm...the writer must have meant that the public will "give the credit to the GOP."

Am I missing something here?  

But anyway, like radiation, I'm sure it's all super uber bullish...


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:28 | 1163095 SheepDog-One
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Politicical jockeying bullshit. Yea made me mad too seeing that in this article, we should all be WAY above the 2 heads of the 1 political party bickering and squabbling to place blame for what they all do on 1 or the other. All total bullshit for suckers.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 00:51 | 1164184 RockyRacoon
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Sure it is, you are right.  But the blame will go to the Party that wants to "starve the orphans", regardless of which Party it actually is.  The lumpen proletariat will blame anyone with any idea that involves change.   And that blame will be directly proportional to the boldness of the change involved.  The article would be correct in this case.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:52 | 1162764 Milton Waddams
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Congress is where you go when you come to the realization that the business you started / inherited / graduated into is better off in the hands of more capable operators.  

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:55 | 1162774 Misean
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"Another $3.5 billion comes from unused spending authority from a program providing health care to children of lower-income families."

How is that even possible?!?! Don't they care about the chiiiilllllddrrrreeeen?!?!?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:56 | 1162785 LFMayor
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we already have a surplus of lower income families... shouldn't there be even more unspent monies in this program?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:53 | 1162777 pazmaker
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Let's hope it does collapse!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:53 | 1162778 6 String
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...And to think, with such favorable conditions that the market almost went down 1% today (well, I know there is 5 minutes left but the despots can't allow for a 1% or more decline now can they? while POMO is still on).


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:55 | 1162781 topcallingtroll
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Then shut it down and default.

This will prevent politicians and the parasites from adding further debt for our children to pay.

If we default on just one treasury that would be enough to stop big government in its tracks.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:55 | 1162782 oogs66
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They really can't help themselves, can they?  They just lie, lie, lie, spin, congratulate themselves and expect us all to be happy with them?  I hope it is starting to catch up to them, and not just at places like ZH which have always been questioning their lies, but even more mainstream sites.  They have to be called out on this!  Barry, all grinning, and self congratulatory, and they couldn't come up with $38 billion or real cuts?  

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:41 | 1162945 EscapeKey
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Very rarely do I agree with user comments on BusinessInsider, but today there was one which hit the mark:

An analogy for the recent budget compromise in D.C.: "We have a family that is spending $38,200 per year. The family’s income is $21,700 per year. The family adds $16,500 in credit card debt every year in order to pay its bills. After a long and difficult debate among family members, keeping in mind that it was not going to be possible to borrow $16,500 every year forever, the parents and children agreed that a $380/year premium cable subscription could be terminated. So now the family will have to borrow only $16,120 per year."

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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 18:22 | 1163219 sleepingbeauty
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