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Canada Government Falls After Vote Of No Confidence Gets Enough Votes To Pass
A second government falls in one week, after Canada's conservatives are defeated in a no confidence vote, following Portugal government fall on Wednesday. Belgium must feel like a veteran in the anarchy department, which seems to be claiming more and more countries, or at least those that do not adopt a revolutionary route.
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Field Marshal Model said the Canadian troops were the best he ever faced. Come get some Yankee. If the Arabs are giving you a hard time then a technologically advanced people with a 30-06 on every wall, out here in the west anyway, may surprise you. Review the Russian Finnish war for some insight.
Too late. Canada already gave the US all its resources for practically nothing years ago.
Moosehead and Molsen are still flowing, right? RIGHT?!?!
Might want to try some really good brew and quit drinking that USSA swamp water U'alls call beer.
http://www.okspring.com/pale-ale/
'MOLSON' mush!!!
BUD shit!
COORS crap!
The down damn near went under it's obligatory 1/2% gain for the trading session.
Phew...that was close.
This isn't even news. Canadians are yawning. Anarchy my ass. What a way to distort reality. This is our mechanism for changing parties. Same old same old.
Stupid f--king math cap
The No Confidence vote should have been aimed at the true Canadian Masters - the British Royal family - or has everyone forgot they are aren't a soverign entity as they claim ?
Indeed, we are a constitutional monarchy that thinks it's a democracy.
The elite think it's a monarchy, and it is, to their benefit; the proles thinks it's a democracy to their everlasting horror.
is Canada still the "dominion"? whatever tf that means! what does it mean? or did? it didn't go out with the maple leaf getting hoisted, i hope!
the elite like to pop a few and get out there on the ice and go curling at their private clubs. how competitive would blythe be with a freaking broom? oh! heart be still!
"is Canada still the "dominion"? whatever tf that means! what does it mean? or did? it didn't go out with the maple leaf getting hoisted, i hope!
the elite like to pop a few and get out there on the ice and go curling at their private clubs. how competitive would blythe be with a freaking broom? oh! heart be still!"
It's from the Bible, Psalms 72:8
"He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river to the ends of the earth"
Not a bad description of a country that extends from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and from the Saint Lawrence river to the North Pole.
Canada was the first country to call itself a dominion, at the time of Confederation in 1867. Like a lot of other good things it was thrown away in the 70s.
The complete Psalm. Not a bad job description for a good government, or president.
72:1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.
72:2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
72:3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
72:4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
72:6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
72:8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
72:10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
72:11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
72:12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
72:13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
72:14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
72:15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.
72:16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
72:18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
72:19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.
72:20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.
Canada is no longer a Dominion, which was a semi-autonomous political structure within the British Empire. We shed Dominion status in the 1930's as a reward for our services in WW I
Vimy Ridge bitchez.
"how competitive would blythe be with a freaking broom?"
Isn't that her primary means of transportation?
It's very unhealthy to be both son of Tarquin and Brutus...one ass cheek on each stool..
thank you. Am I happy to see that somebody here gets it. And who did the Monarchs appoint to run Canada? yes, thank you again. It, indeed, were the fucking hofjuden who are the Monarch's bankers taking care of Royal property. Ditto for Ameerika.
This isn't even news. Canadians are yawning. Anarchy my ass. What a way to distort reality. This is our mechanism for changing parties. Same old same old.
Stupid f--king math cap
The down damn near went under it's obligatory 1/2% gain for the trading session.
Phew...that was close.
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The reason governments are falling left and right... may have to do with the prevalance of cheating... when people get on to the game... and when cheaters aren't punished... everyone else stops participating and consensus becomes impossible.
An article in Science News asks the question:
How can cooperation develop if individuals can do better for themselves by cheating?
In a community garden, for example, the lazy gardener who does nothing may reap as big a share of the produce as the hardest worker.
Such antisocial behavior is reduced if cheaters face consequences. An industrious gardener may deny the slacker his share of the harvest, for example. But that raises another issue. Gardeners who pitch in but don’t punish freeloaders may get just as much produce as those who punish, without the risk and trouble of punishing someone.
Short-term self-interest seems to encourage an individual either to cheat or to cooperate but not to punish.(emphasis mine) In the long run, however, everyone is better off if most people both cooperate and punish. Then cheaters don’t profit, the burden of punishing is light, and many people reap the benefits of cooperation.
See article for details of experimental set-up, assumptions, etc., but some conclusions from the piece follow:
Over time, the researchers discovered, cheating becomes more and more prevalent and ruins the investment for everyone. Nearly all the agents stop participating. (emphasis mine)
But from this state of near-total non-participation, a few agents will occasionally begin to cooperate simultaneously, with no freeloaders. These groups start making more money than everyone else, and their success leads the non-participants to imitate their strategy. The small groups grow, producing a large group of punishers or a large group of non-punishing cooperators.
Big groups of non-punishing cooperators are an easy target for cheaters. (emphasis mine) One agent randomly tries cheating and makes a load of cash, and then other agents imitate the strategy, soon making it unprofitable for anyone to cooperate. But if the group consists primarily of punishers, an agent who tries cheating loses money to numerous fines, which discourages others from cheating. Groups with plenty of punishers therefore tend to be very stable and long-lasting, because they produce plenty of cooperators.
If participation were mandatory, the state of near-total non-participation could never occur, so even if a small group of cooperators arose, it wouldn’t have enough influence to make cooperation the norm.
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End of article excerpt
The experiment was within the context of a hypothetical ‘enterprise’…
I’d suggest that’s just what a voluntary social contract IS.
And that these issues in many instances relate to collapse, revolution and the general breakdown in mutual trust which all too frequently develops as societies age.
My own conclusions (not based on this alone certainly)…
*First and foremost… EMPOWER CO-OPERATORS
More specifically:
* Capabilities for regulation and oversight must be widely distributed and available to the general public (tools for transparency and an encouragement of bounties).
* Capabilities for distributed empowerment and a clearer recognition of money as a decision technology along with additional technologies reducing the cost of political participation for both potential candidates and citizens generally … (unlike what happened with that old social technology known as television where a failure to protect the Commons is a central reason WHY politics IS so expensive when it needn’t be)
* Addressing scale along with the role of social, cultural and physical proximity and its somewhat problematic relationship to fundamental human drives.
Finding Roots in a Shifting Landscape: Facebook and the Future of Social Networks
Political Fundraising: Act Blue, Facebook and the Missing Network Imperative
* Political monetary participation must be unencumbered and simplified (including especially at the micro-transaction level), its networking must be facilitated and the utility that enables that must be (in some form) universally owned.
Empowering the Commons: The Dedicated Account (Part I)
P.S. I'm not an experienced entrepreneur but finally just talked to one... apparently the way I've been promoting this model is missing an important hook... the system is good for all transactions and can very likely undercut PayPal both in cost as well as added capabilities in specialized areas. Hoping that may finally draw a bit of notice.
Your first sentence says it all..
I wince when I see so many uses of the word "punish." Control freaks tend to use this as their primary method of operation.
Careful that this thinking opens the gates for outright oppression. And no, I'm not trying to defend govt, socialist, fascist (which is what most have become) or otherwise (it's against my religion).
But... witholding on the account of bad behavior is, I think, a better way of putting it. Again , be careful of who is driving all the messages: many powerful oligarchs would just love to kick govt out of the way so that they could control people directly.
Also, I get really nervous about people trying to engineer people...
I also wince when I see the word punish... you might want to read the article and do some thinking...
The kind of punishment they're talking about is the kind encapsulated by the concept "it takes a village to raise a child"... well-recognized community standards that everyone takes responsibility for protecting... and moreover, specifically within a voluntary as opposed to enforced association.
What you rightly fear is centralized enforcement... the kind undertaken by governments as opposed to community standards of 'shame', etc.
As for the 'cultural engineer' appellation... I too had the same thought...
Hitler, afterall was a cultural engineer.
But so was Madison, Jefferson, Aristotle, Locke, Hobbs... and frankly everyone who ever gave enough of a shit to cast a vote about anything.
So take up the responsibility and be a cultural engineer too!
And if you knew anything about my work you'd know I'm no fan of centralized power and especially bureaucratic enforcements arising out of hierarchical structures.
Sometimes the devil really IS in the details.
Just wanting to make sure that others understand these key points (lest they trade one set of handcuffs for another).
"I'm no fan of centralized power and especially bureaucratic enforcements arising out of hierarchical structures."
Salute! :-)
Rotate!
"Canada's conservatives"? You mean, there are actual conservatives in Canadian government? Who knew!
Do they offer - what? - a side of fries with their statism/socialism?
Tyler should have capitalized that....the Conservative party of Canada lost the vote. There's also a Liberal (yes capitalized) Party of Canada, New Democratic Party, and a strong Green Party (10%+ of popular vote, though rarely parliamentary seats). It is kind of funny though because the Conservatives are about as far 'right' as it gets in canada (other than the fringe whackos- Christian Heritage Party- who win a few thousand votes in mainly rural ridings) and they're slightly to the left of most American Republicans :P
This is good for Canada's housing market, yes? </sarcasm>
Canada is having an election because
1. Harper's government was accused of contempt of parliament (first time ever in any parliamentary system in the Commonwealth) because he refused to give estimates of the costs of his programs (airplanes and penitentiaries);
2. One of his ministers lied to parliament about forging a document;
3. Harper is a control-freak and is re-writing everything in the land in hopes of erasing all evidence of the former Liberal government;
4. Harper keeps firing the top (non-political) bureaucrats that really know how to run things;
5. Harper has aspirations to be a monarch and Canadians don't want a monarch right now!
Well, those are the excuses, which are covering the REAL issues. The animals are getting restless, they sense the turn of the economic screw. This shit goes down all the time. In good times people just brush it off: "the boats not sinking, everything's fine!" Now that global pressures are bitch-slapping the Canadians they're now noting the leaks and are attempting to address them: problem is, is that they will, as they've been conditioned to, just as every other ruled group of people on the planet, start poking each other in the eyes, as though that's where the leaks really are! (though, in a way, it's pretty close, except people should be poking THEMSELVES in the eyes, as it's the "look in the mirror" thing- you all did it to yourselves).
Blame is always somewhere else. Meanwhile the fire continues...
Northern Make Work Project....
Hot Damn!... thousands get to work for Elections Canada again stuffing ballot boxes.
Vote Early...Vote often!
japan.....Canada
1/ Canada...Tis the beginning of the Secession by Western Canada.....Eastern Canada's Provinces of Quebec and Ontario are running hummungus Provincial Deficits and expect Western Canada Four Provinces to burden Eastern Canada's costs.2/ Japan...It is looking more and more like a major portion of the 30 to 120 million Japanese may have to emigrate to North America and elsewhere. Fukashima radiation may also threaten mainland Asia. stay safe
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/canadajapan.html
US Protectionism is just around the corner now....
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/us-protectionism-just-around-corner.html
Are you from one of those Western provinces?
Got oil/tar sands? Got pine beattles? (oh where art thou gone, housing market?)
Mirror:
5 Reasons Humanity Is Terrible at Democracyhttp://www.cracked.com/article_19086_5-reasons-humanity-terrible-at-demo...
Being smug when one's in no position to be is a pretty precarious place to be...
sheesh... here I thought Mulrooney was still president.
must be the beer
Its do or say bub-bye for Iggy this time around. When he fails the Libs will dump him quicker then you can say Trudeau! Same goes for 'King' Harper the first, if he doesn't get a majority. The NDP under Jacko don't stand a chance, besides he's not in the best of health. And the BLOC with Julie Baby will continue to cry until they get mo-money! Elizabeth May? Say bub-bye to the greens.
So, what's left? Another election within 24 months. Lucky if it goes that far!
But, but, but, David Rosenberg (who is quoted daily here) has said that Canada is THE place to put your worthless US dollars!!! Oh my, what to do??? I've listened to him for so long now...................
Guess I won't pay for his Gluskin-Sheff daily US bearishness that used to be "free". And if by free he meant "guaranteed to be bearish since March 2009", then I guess he was telling the truth.......................
Still safe - lol
Parliamentary systems are subject to this every day. In our Republic as we have Representative gov't with a multi-year mandate you only get one shot to kick out an incumbent. In Canada, Britain, India, and anywhere else they have a Parliament they all can get the boot.
Harper has been considered a moron since getting in. This is just just desserts to make away for another messiah.
The Collapse of Canadian gov will look small compared to Collapse of their massively overpriced out-of-sight housing market.
...ssshh! It's different here..our banks are the conservative and responsible ones... we would never keep rates low and spark a speculative buying frenzy on 5/35 mortgages that will reset higher at some point... /sarc
Babysitting my sisters kids last week in the 905 area code and I'm not seeing a bubble. Tons of new construction going up - we actually got lost on a walk and in cement/muck - not fun with a four year old screaming (he recovered and told his parents he had a big adventure).
It is not a bubble. Maybe on the west coast but I'm not seeing it in central Canada. We really do need a Canadian Zerohedge.
Hint: wild-assed construction doesn't occur (unless it's a direct govt-sponsorship, ala China) after bubbles have burst!
Hint2: At the time of collapse Easter Islanders were busy constructing the very statues whose construction was the origin of their demise.
Stick your head up too far in the clouds and the gods will whack it off!
Hey Seer,
No, I'm thinking home values - they gone up a bit but not insanely. My sister has done well - she bought at the right time. My brother manages a construction business - mostly commercial and he is doing great too. He is hiring because he can't handle the business on his own. (And NO govt sponsorship).
I was out of the country for a number of years but from what I have seen since I've been back, Canada has decoupled from the US. Sorry but true. I see it.
And I am going to look at what the Harper govt did (maybe some good) and where we should go from here.
I hereby vote no confidence in our government either
canada. now aiming your tomahawkz, bitchez.
The official leader of the opposition, Iggy, wants to be back teaching at Harvard for the new school year.
Therefore, lose the election, get booted out as leader of the Liberals and presto- ivory tower and Starbucks.
Bummer, eh? Pass the Molson.
Wish we could do that in the USA.
I'm up for a bit of Italian tonight. I have to vote between a facist and a bunch of commies. I'm staying home.
We'r ein charge of Libya and we should be the new reserve currency. Too bad we don't have any gold above ground but it's safe where it is.
Go long EURCAD.
Iggy just said vote for me or else more Harper. D'uh.
Personally I think this blows up in the face of the bloc/liberals/NDP.
Already they are trying to get elected for a coalition of the willing gov't. But - if I vote for the liberals, I sure as he** don't want to be voting for the NDP, nor theBloc. I do not want either party to be appeased. The conservatives had 43% of the vote according to ipsos reed (reid), and I think there is an opportunity for the conservatives to come away with a stronger minority or very close majority.
The canadian gov't falling isn't a big deal -they've been on the brink for the last number of years are partisanship is about what canadian politics is about, not true "lack of faith" in the gov't.
I'm pissed about it because I want a stronger canadian dollar to cherry pick properties in the US.
There goes NAFTA!
Under a Parliamentary system of government there is no set time for one party to be in power. Once they form a government the ruling party gets to pick when to hold the next election, unless the other parties force their hand with a vote of no confidence. Then they have to go back to the voters who have the choice of re electing them or electing someone else.
Furthermore, in the Parliamentary system you don't vote for a President or Prime Minister. You vote for your choice of your local candidates and the winners chose a leader from among themselves. Usually the head of the party that elected the most members.
Fuck Steven Harper. He is just another USA puppet.
He would lick the sweat off of Obamas nuts in a heart beat.
Fuck you Steven Harper.
Signed,a once proud Canadian.
All the Canucks (Including my dad) I've talked to tell me that this is a non-event. Reading the thread does not change my (second hand) opinion.
I see lots of comments on how Harper wanted this .
PPSssssttttt.......
CONTEMPT of Parliament....
Short memories or poor readers.
I plan to vote my "no confidence" by not voting for a Democrat or a Republican.
More of the same here in Canada. I wrote somewhere else that this was a smart move by the Conservatives who see a small window of opportunity to gain a majority and decided to present a budget that they knew would not get approved by the other parties. They also know that the Liberals are weak now (no money) and that their leader isn't widely popular. But there was a discussion yesterday of a coalition gvt between the Bloc, Liberals and the NDP. Who knows what will happen. This election period is short (5 weeks) so we'll find out soon enough. All I know is that Canadians are seriously fed up of spending millions for elections. The folks in Ottawa need to get on with governing our country. One word of advice to whoever wins the elections, stop centralizing and vetting everything through Ottawa. Give your regions more autonomy and trust them!