CDC H1N1 forced quarantine docs leak
Last night Zero Hedge obtained some interesting documents from the CDC web site. They contain blank 'forced quarantine' orders from Iowa and Florida regarding novel H1N1 -- including quarantine to a 'secure detention center'-- which appear to be recent -- dated April 2009. Some may be aware the NIH and CDC just held an H1N1 conference in DC -- August 19-21 2009 -- that focused on 'mass fatality management'. For many, this should be cause for concern. As is becoming clear, our government is quite corrupt. The idea that this same government is now preparing for forced quarantine and mass vaccination should make anyone who has been following recent events shudder. There is something going on here, but governments have not come clean with the public. Why 'secure detention centers' in the U.S. and 'secure vaccination centers' in France if there is nothing to be concerned about? It is becoming increasingly clear that a global mass vaccination campaign is planned -- likely to become mandatory in the 193 WHO member countries, despite serious safety concerns regarding these untested novel H1N1 vaccines, some of which are now known to contain high levels of the deadly adjuvent squalene.
Others may be aware that it was only last week that the Massachusetts State Senate passed a law making it a relatively serious crime to refuse a mandatory vaccination or to break a quarantine order. This law also includes rather astounding violations of the 4th Amendment, including warrantless searches and seizures of property if deemed necessary in an 'emergency'. This new Massachusetts law also included authorizations for illegal arrest without a warrant and of forced vaccination of the public. But the political activity is not limited to the states. Yesterday Obama held meetings with senior cabinet officials regarding H1N1 'pandemic prepardness' including HHS Secretary Sebelius. So this is not idle speculation. There is something going on here. Either the government knows something we do not, or this is the biggest hype since the dot com bubble.
Although the current H1N1 virus does not have lethal genes yet, we have been implicitly promised by the national and global health authorities that novel H1N1 will soon return with such genetic 'upgrades', just as it did in 1918. Here at ZeroHedge, we are expecting a flock of economic black swans soon, and a pandemic -- whether real or hyped -- may be part of this flock. An economic collapse will be no doubt be triggered soon , and it will be convenient for the political elites to blame the collapse on an external factor, such as a pandemic or a war. Furthermore, the fall H1N1 pandemic may be a convenient pretext by which dangerous levels of expanding social control can be established by elites which have proven themselves utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt.
On to the documents.
This is just CDC/NIH contingency planning. Nothing to be concerned about.
FL Quarantine to Detention Facility Order Apr 09 252
Home Quarantine Order Novelflu Filled in 4-30-09
FL Quarantine to Residence Order Apr 09 252
Perhaps now is the time to educate ourselves rather than remaining blissfully ignorant. Perhaps now is the time to confront our government officials with questions. How many states have drawn up plans like those above? Do the authorities plan on initiating forced quarantines? Do the authorities plan on initiating mandatory vaccinations?
h/t cryptogon
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on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:07
#56007
This was today's CNN headline
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:19
#56411
What exactly is wrong with 'use common sense about flu'?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:49
#56572
Forget H1N1 I'm worried about the chupacabra!
on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 08:33
#72207
H1N1 is just the leading edge of the chupacabra invasion. You don't know this? Yes, H1N1 is not deadly, but while you're disabled with it...
on Sat, 10/24/2009 - 12:23
#109480
elderberry blocks H1N1
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 06:05
#139182
If you stuff it up your nose?
on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 21:35
#73055
ELMO = Anti-Christ !!!
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:18
#56014
Madison to Jefferson: Didn't we cover this in the first ten amendments?
What about the religious objection? I'm a minister of the Universal Life Church. Kirby Hensley ordained me in 1969. It didn't beat the draft; stronger medicine was needed then, but what about now with this band of sloths and miscreants in charge?
I will not be penetrated by pharmaceutical garbage science, and will fight for the truth and consequences.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:21
#56020
Saw this link on drudge.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604
This is scary shit PM. I remember in my college/drug years reading 'Behold a pale white horse' by William Cooper. It was a great conspiracy read back in the day but when I "grew up" I dismissed the book as total BS. I think I need to go back and re-read.
If H1N1 gets bad, all the president needs to do is declare a national emergency and FEMA conspiracy becomes a reality.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:30
#56033
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_State_Emergency_Health_Powers_Act
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 23:03
#57098
couple that with the FCC and the Fairness Doctrine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:35
#56037
I think it's very simple really -- Banks, governments, and defense contractors have fused in an orgy of corruption.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:05
#56084
Another word(s) for the same would be "organized crime." We've seen this happen to governments before at the state and local level. It's a million times scarier and more dangerous on the national level.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:22
#56886
Except you'll never see the RICO Act used against them in a criminal charge only civil.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:16
#57065
Where are the civil RICO charges? Is there no law firm out there that is willing to take this on? I'm a lawyer and I'm very smart. I'll work and slave for you for free if you'll just take this on. Anyone? Goddamn it, don't make me do this on my own...
on Sun, 09/06/2009 - 07:03
#60752
22:16 I'm with you but civil RICO was dismembered years ago. I guess they thought us independent lawyers would be far too dangerous with the power to bring further civil RICO actions - confiscating the fruits of illegality, well that could end up transferring over 1/2 the wealth in the world! Look up Title 12 O.S. Sect. 1276.4. In these parts we could prosecute the villans and order up restitution - too bad I can't get any one else interested.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:20
#57069
Where are the civil RICO charges? Is there no law firm out there that is willing to take this on? I'm a lawyer and I'm very smart. I'll work and slave for you for free if you'll just take this on. Anyone? Goddamn it, don't make me do this on my own... If worst comes to worst, I'll try it on my own.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:29
#56136
Excellent post Project Mayhem.
Your coverage of the dwindling status of American liberty is appreciated.
Keep up the good work!
on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 06:12
#58457
Are you relly Jim Rogers?
I mean, you even spell correct.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 22:54
#58380
That about covers it..
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:59
#56270
How will you know H1N1 is "getting bad" except through a co-opted and compliant mass media, whose wet dream is repeating (there is no more reporting, just repeating) about public panic and fear they help create?
The last place I search for the truth is in newspapers or on TV.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:37
#56413
Media outlets are so corrupt with hidden agendas that I doubt one has obtained useful knowledge from them over the past 2 decades.
I always used the FB (Ferris Bueler) barometer when analyzing things like this. What's the local feel? Are there a lot of people sick in my high-rise? Are my parents, siblings, friends sick? If so then I know it’s real.
If all I hear is... My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 flavors last night.....I know it's bullshit
on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 03:48
#58439
no,no,no zarrmax, legislation 'WHO IHR2005', which President Bush signed allows the UN to declare this with a level 6 World Pandemic and take control of all aspects of American Military, Business, Commerce, Communictions - everything.
Guess what?
The WHO declared a Level 6 in June, your FEMA nightmare can be started at will RIGHT NOW, maybe even tonight whilst you sleep, even without Presidential approval (if that even matters as they work for the same NWO).
Americans need to wake up, and wake up NOW, they haven't planned all this to fill the time, they're going to use it, it's just a matter of when.
on Sat, 10/24/2009 - 14:51
#109567
William Cooper was killed for what he did to try to protect the American People. You can find his vids on youtube
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 10:47
#139359
That was a prescient comment. It is Nov. 23 09. WHO changed the definition of "pandemic" and Obama HAS declared a state of medical national emergency. What do you think is next?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:43
#56048
"The deadly adjuvant squalene" - PULEEZE. What crap. Stick to subjects you know something about. I agree with Anonymous above - you make the site look bad. As for those of you intent on refusing all vaccinations at any cost - fine with me, it will help eliminate the stoopid from the gene pool.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:16
#56100
speaking of "stoopid."
Having concerns about forced vaccinations does not equal
As for those of you intent on refusing all vaccinations at any cost - fine with me, it will help eliminate the stoopid from the gene pool.
I might or might not choose to take a future action, but I'd like to think I have the opportunity to educate myself and make an informed decision, as opposed to being compelled to do so by an entity that has consistently demonstrated its incompetence and partiality for those whose interests are not aligned with mine or the interests of the general public.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:38
#56239
what looksa said...
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:38
#56115
Go ahead and take the injection if you are foolish enough. I might add you have added absolutely nothing to this dicussion except more shallow and unthinking ad hominem attacks. You are the one who will be eliminating yourself from the gene pool by taking this toxic shot. I will be fine. The vaccine manufacturers have been given blanket immunity by HHS so you will not be able to sue them when you get sick. But you already knew that, right?
Squalene is not present in ANY standard series civilian shot. Squalene is the precursor to cholesterol, testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone in the human body. When it is injected intramuscularly in the astoundingly high concentrations present in these experimental H1N1 vaccines, it causes your body to produce antibodies and T-cell mediated immunity against squalene. This in turn, effects the HTPA and the endocrine system because you can no longer synthesise the proper hormones without causing an inflammatory response.
But I don't know what I'm talking about right? Perhaps you should listen to a doctor.
"But there is another important consideration: the role of squalene.
The average quantity of squalene injected into the US soldiers abroad and at home in the anthrax vaccine during and after the Gulf War was 34.2 micrograms per billion micrograms of water. According to one study, this was the cause othe Gulf War syndrom in 25% of 697.000 US personnel at home and abroad. (3). You can find this table of FDA analyses from the Gulf War lots on The Military Vaccine Resource Directory website (4)
a.. AVA 020 - 11 ppb squalene (parts per billion)
> b.. AVA 030 - 10 ppb squalene
> c.. AVA 038 - 27 ppb squalene
> d.. AVA 043 - 40 ppb squalene
> e.. AVA 047 - 83 ppb squalene
These values were confirmed by Prof. R. F. Garry (5) before the House of Representatives. Prof Garry was the man to discover the connection between the Gulf War syndrome and squalene.
According to his findings, the Gulf War syndrome was caused by squalene, which was banned by a Federal Court Judge in 2004 from the Pentagon´s use. (6)
As seen on p. 6 of this EMEA document (7), the Pandremix vaccine contains 10,68 mg of squalene per 0,5 ml. This corresponds to 2.136.0000 microgrammes pr. billion microgrammes of water, i.e. one million times more squalene per dose than in (4). There is any reason to believe that this will make people sick to a much higher extent than in 1990/91. This appears murderous to me."
Dr. Anders Bruun Laursen
August 20, 2009
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14851
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:10
#56198
Indeed. +1
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:34
#56441
This guy is a long-retired ophthalmologist (eye doctor) and a well-known anti-vaccine nut. Take his opinion with a grain of salt.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:58
#56856
Anders Laursen is as reliable a source on vacines as Jenny McCarthy.
I deal with immunocompromised patients and we have the key vaccine for them in pneumovax. The facts are people don't die from the flu or other respiratory viruses, they die from complications associated with the severity of the disease either due to an over exuberant inflammatory response or development of secondary infections.
If your really worried about the flu and don't want whatever new vaccine gets approval for this season, talk to your PCP about pneumovax. Just know you'll pay out of pocket, unless you're over 65 or have heart disease, COPD, or diabetes.
As for these quarantines and mass vaccinations, 2 things: 1)we are getting conflicting info regarding management (home quarantine is the current recommendation) from the state agencies, although all suspect flu cases are supposed to be referred for strain testing. That's typical though, as every we wait to see which strain(s) will emerge. 2) There are lots of people in the governement who get paid to think about worse case scenarios. They come up with these grandiose schemes and plans, then a crisis hits (take your pick Katrina, maybe 9/11, etc.) and for the most part, their plans fall apart as these people usually lack any real world experience, management background, or ability to rapidly adjust strategy in the face of a dynamic system.
These plans are scary and seem far beyond excessive; however, their grandiosity is usually superseded by pervasive bureaucratic incompetence.
on Sat, 11/28/2009 - 00:17
#144644
Just the fact that you state, "We are getting conflicting info regarding management" tells me that you only presented one part of the information that you have. What was the other options that conflicted with the "home quarantine" you presented in your post. You seem to have posted to "educate" us....well babe let me educate you.
Big brother has a coffin waiting for you too. Don't you doubt that. Also, reread what you wrote and ask yourself this, "Are you willing to FORCE your fellow American's to take a flu shot?" " Are you willing to work in a internment camp on a official level?"
Smell the coffee and check out your "facts". Go to the CDC website. Read the package insert and then come spew your BS as if there is nothing to fear. Also NO ONE has ever died from cancer either, just the complications of it. I don't see forced vaccines on it. Please don't work with them to harm your fellow man. Find the truth, search the records, be your own teacher.
God Bless,
Chelle
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 08:55
#139224
Q. Why would someone with no facts presented to support their position
attack PM ?
Q. Who are they and why would they deny PM's facts above?
No shot for me thanks.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:27
#56127
I think it's interesting that there are some people who will only believe in conspiracy and corruption up to a certain point, and suggestion of anything beyond that point is rejected on what can best be described as a moral, rather than factual, basis.
J.S. Kim at theundergroundinvestor.com refers to this phenomenon as "the enronization of our critical thinking skills." Here is an excerpt from his article "How the financial elites enronized America":
"Since the above statement is sure to stir up cries of conspiracy regardless of the fact that it is directly attributable to a member of the financial oligarchy, let us take a minute to consider the Enronization of our critical thinking skills. Why do those with a keen interest in suppressing the truth about the origins and nature of our current global financial crisis have great success in doing so merely by simply using the word “conspiracy” to marginalize the well-constructed arguments of others? Why do the people that attempt to discredit these truthful revelations never offer more than flimsy verbal accusations devoid of any evidence to validate their accusations?
And why do we rarely, if ever, challenge the fact that the vast preponderance of people that flippantly dismiss valid arguments about our current global financial crisis are those whose personal wealth depend upon deluding masses of people about the health of our stock markets and the soundness of our financial institutions and monetary system?
Today, the Enronization of our institutional education system has dulled our aptitude of critical thinking to such a degree that we now look to others to do our thinking for us. Instead of challenging the propaganda that makes zero sense, we are all too willing to be duped into believing erroneous concepts just because they are written in a textbook or a newspaper."
http://endfinancialfraud.org/enronized-america.php
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:13
#56202
Exactly. Thanks for posting the snippet Anon.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:01
#56861
The interesting flip side to that coin though is the clustering of conspiracy theories and theorists. What is the corellation between believing in one and believing in many. Further down you can see the case in point; Flouridation of drinking water. I'm sure if we pressed there are likely another 5-10 conspiracies the writer also believes in.
The problem with conspiracy theories in the flip side is that clustering where the people pushing them also want to bundle other ones into the entire picture. Your first statement is leaning towards that (softly though, not "How can anyone not believe this. Look at the facts!") in that rejecting conspiracy theories outright is a lack of critical thinking.
I think there needs to be a ton of more research done into the psychology of conspiracy theories and theorists themselves, but based on the current research we do have, it seems that conspiracy theories in general are related towards traumatic events where an individuals life paradigm is completely shattered (and in a lot of examples I can see the notion of safety being shattered). It's not so much that conspiracy theories may be untrue or true, but that they seem like a coping mechanism for an obvious traumatic event (i.e. there tends to be more of them around traumatic events, and there are several different species of conspiracy for the same event, that eventually get whittled away towards some unified conspiracy that explains an event). I think there is also an element of superbelievability at play where it isn't enough that negligence or passive enabling led to an event happening but that there was an active role by the security agent in it happening. 9/11 is one of those events where the trauma it caused must be blamed on an active role by the government for various because the paradigm of the government protecting us was completely destroyed.
I can think of a handful of conspiracies that created destructive events that were later proven to be true but for the most part happened before I was born or aware of their impact and pre revalation thinking. Iran Contra, Cointelpro, PBSuccess, etc etc. Many of these seem like a pretty big deal and would go towards reinforcing at least the possiblity that there are malicious conspiracies by our government. Yet, none of them are as grandiose as the conspiracies touted here at Zerohedge by some people, and this superbelievability is one of the supposed strengths of conspiracy theorists. If you can't prove the mundane (or pique people's interests), force other people to disprove the grandiose.
In fact, this kind of thinking could be seen in the case for war against Iraq; instead of providing a solid case for invasion based on mundane, but obvious and flagerant violations by Saddam, the administration tried to force critics to prove that Saddam didn't have WMD that threatened our existence every day, that he wasn't meeting with Al Queda, etc etc. On the other side of that is the "War for Oil" people who couldn't prove the mundane which was "Iraq is geographically and geopolitically useful for us and that's why they want to take it." so they tried to make it an issue of "this is all about oil and try to prove it isn't".
The final issue I have with conspiracy theories and clustering is one of framing every event with a conspiracy behind it, and assigning great importance to events which seemingly corroborate the conspiracy. You could make the conspiracy case that FEMA's handling of Hurricane Katrina was a conspiracy to screw over black people, disenfranchise Democratic voters, make Louisianna solidly Republican by hampering rebuilding efforts, and permanently alter the perception that black people have towards the government to make them antagonistic towards any "help" from them. If you simply looked at only things that supported that conspiracy I bet you could have a very convincing case. But there are so many other things that suggest it was mere incompetence and confusion, at every level of government that resulted in the death and diaspora.
If you examine the "H1N1" quarantine documents under the lens that there is already a conspiracy to screw us over, at the exclusion of other facts and explanations, then yeah, the jackbooted thugs in black helicopters will be carting you away this fall and you will have a terrible Christmas.
I'll save my rant for selective partisan outrage at the government for another day (as this plays into the mundane conspiracies revealed thought rather nicely)
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:05
#56914
First off, fluoridation of drinking water is not a conspiracy, it is an acknowledged fact.
http://www.cdc.gov/FLUORIDATION/
The effects are disputable, but there is evidence that it calcifies the Pineal Gland. That is not a conspiracy. The conspiracy part comes in when you ask the question of whether the fluoridation of water is done with this goal in mind, and it is a legitimate question to ask.
Secondly, as the write you reference I can't give you a straight count of the conspiracies I believe in, but if I had to try it would be a lot more than 10. Back, during the first democratic presidential debate, I made a one dollar bet bet with a 1-100 odds, that Barack Obama was going to be President. I made the bet because I thought that there was a conspiracy by some very well connected people to make him President. In fact, his 2004 speech set off some sensors early. The point is, I was right because I approached it with a critical perspective.
CNBC presenting things in a more positive light is a conspiracy, because as Tyler pointed out, their pay checks depend on the stock price of GE. I think that every politician has dirt of him or her to some degree that is either in the safe of some players or is just waiting to be uncovered by a private investigator. Elliott Spitzer was pushing too hard and the various players responded by releasing the dirt and pushing him out of his position. I think it is no coincidence that the first time we heard a President of the United States giving the recomendation to buy stocks was followed by the most coordinated and manipulated bear market rally...ever (although not sure about the ever) I think that banks are conspiring not to sell foreclosed homes. But sooner or later they'll have to despite the conspiracy.
Concerning 9/11, there is a lot of evidence that points to conspiracy. No, I actually don't think that Cheney picked up the phone that morning and said "initiate the operation" in a Dr. Evil voice. But simply by examining who said what when, even when excluding all the physical evidence that makes the official story questionable at best, there is a lot more there than meets the surface. Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative and he could have very well been presented with an opportunity to start a holy war by US representatives with information relevant to the task, like for example the scheduled day of a massive military exercise for preventing plane use as projectiles when it would be difficult to ascertain whether potential bogeys on the radar screen were part of the excercise or actual threats. Maybe it was more of an understanding, but nonetheless the possibility exists that both Bush and Osama Bin Laden wanted to initiate a holy war and the alignment of interests was materialized on 9/11.
Everyone has an angle, and even the Illuminati can't agree on everything. The technocrats deciding what to do with our monetary system probably can't agree on whether to go back to the gold standard or to make SDR's more important, or to try to preserve the current system at all expense or to do something else altogether. I don't know whats going to happen but what I do know is that everyone is interested, and many times interests overlap, and that is when we get conspiracies. It happens more often than you think.
PS Iraq happened because of multiple factors and interests, but a large part of it was Saddam talking seriously about switching his oil trade from dollars in favor of euros.
And one more thing, have you heard of MKULTRA? It is a "conspiracy" by the CIA fo rmind control. The files were made public in the early 1970's but I don't think that that was the end of it. Take a look over the goals here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
Also here is a clip from one of the greatest movies ever made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjL9g3s6Fro
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:07
#57062
1. Please provide support for the claim that bin Laden was a CIA operative. Obviously he was a beneficiary of the American support for the mujahadeen in the Afghan/Soviet war. But I'm unaware of claims of his direct involvement with the Agency.
2. Suppose Bush/Cheney were collaborating with AQ in the way you suggest. Would they choose the pentagon as a target, as opposed to numerous other targets that would be less near and dear to their hearts?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:20
#57064
the heart has got nothing to do with it. and as for Bin Laden and al-Q'aeda; read about Gust Avrakotos and Charlie Wilson and the six men unit at Langley which armed first the Talibans and later the Mujahideen via Egypt with Israeli weapons confiscated during Israeli-Egyptian conflict. Also etymologically al-Q'aeda is roughly translated as " The Base " and that is the name given by MI6 to the first group of Taliban and Mujahideen warriors who received weapons from Egypt via Pakistan provided by the Mossad and CIA.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 23:10
#57101
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1670089.stm
He was a frequent customer and definitely came in contact with the CIA multiple times in that capacity, and there is good chance that his dealings with them extended further than that. Obviously no official records exist to prove this; it is an assumption based on the information available.
In terms of why the different buildings were chosen as targets, the best theory I can think of right now would be that the section of the Pentagon that was hit had records that belonged in the shredder, possibly the paper trail for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo
I didn't bookmark all the pertinent links so I don't have them handy now, but I have seen information of the various tenants of the attacked buildings and also the information of the last tenants to leave the towers and Building 7. It points to possible destruction of paper trails on a massive scale; if I remember correctly possibly having to do with Enron and other large scale fraudsters. Sorry to be so vague, but I am a little rusty on my 9/11 tin since I personally pay more heed to current conspiracies much more now, but I'll try to dig up links sometime.
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 12:14
#139489
In lieu of "theories" I would like to state 2 things about 9/11. I was working in D.C. on9/11 as a commercial electrician in the World Bank building. I rode the subway,(which was almost devoid of patrons) to the stop before the Pentagon. At that point I got out and walked the few blocks to a vantage point from which I observed: NO wreckage, and about a 17ft wide hole in the side of the building. No damage from wings or the engines on them. Windows intact. 2. My brother is a core driller. (drills holes in concrete) and finished his work in a stairwell in front of the impact zone on 9/10. That part of the building was under construction. I can say with certainty, that the Pentagon was NOT hit with a plane. Oh, and I feel the need to mention the lack of footage of anything other than the ball of flame that exited the building following impact. There are MANY, MANY cameras on and around the Pentagon, and NOT ONE picture of an actual "plane" flying into it. Folks can say whatever they want. I was an eye witness. ( after impact but before the fire took the exterior wall down.)
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 13:06
#57734
You have to be putting me on if you're posting Dr. Strangelove without irony based on your belief in the possibility of a malicious reason behind fluoridation.
on Fri, 09/04/2009 - 06:24
#58460
Sodium Flouride, the effects of it is hard science if i remmember correctly. 7 grams i believe is a leathal dose for a grown human being. Read your toothpaste package, its in there too. Your schampoo? look around, you will be surprised where you find it.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 20:14
#56988
E Thomas St: You win the prize for the biggest blowhard on this thread.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:26
#56220
You say "What crap. Stick to subjects you know something about."
If you know something on this subject, please share it. Otherwise you come across as a stupid asshole.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:36
#56328
Do you know anything about the Baxter Pharmaceutical situation in Europe? It's good place to start. You might want to look at the Austrian prosecution regarding Baxter's deliveries of Avian flu. You offer nothing to refute anything being said except a purely emotional response.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:57
#56369
Screw you, Anonymous, and double for your friend Anonymous. On behalf of the true Anonymous community, we thank PM for giving us useful information and links to chew on. We make our own decisions in Anonimity.
on Mon, 09/21/2009 - 23:52
#76087
I believe more people died from the "vaccine" than the swine flu last outbreak 20 something years ago.
2 people I work with have gotten the swine flu...everyone was careful for a while, and now those 2 are back and no one else has become infected.
As someone said...common sense is more than enough.
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 18:39
#133836
I Know something about it, it isn't "deadly" but it does soften the chemical barriers of cell walls and that is a well research matter of fact. Weakened cellular walls are not going to resist penetration by a virus as effectively as healthy cells - that is why they use squalene as an adjuvant.
one of two things is true here:
You have no idea what you are taking about and by talking you endanger the lives of human beings seeking to make a rational decision that could save the lives of themselves or their children. That is both arrogant and evil.
You know what you are talking about and you are lying, for the same reasons as above you are even more evil.
I'll let you and God figure that one out, for the rest of the readers I hope my points are clear.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:52
#56055
Thank you for your view and infromation. I think everyone would be wise to have a plan A and a plan B for every significant circumstance in life. Catherine Austine Fitts was recently interviewed on redice, definitely worth a listen. Link Below.
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/08aug/RIR-090823.php
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:19
#56409
Excellent find ... thanks.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:03
#56081
Update to above.....In Montco, PA the dir. of health for the county on my radio show said he had authority to do any or more than mentioned herein regarding any pandemic, bird or swine flu. This show was in sept of 08.
This confirms their bearing, attitude and action regarding the potential issues. Damn the constitution full speed ahead.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:15
#56101
OK people. It's time to stop f--king around and make a decision. If you have family/kids you are resposible for and/or are not able/willing to fight in an armed uprising - LEAVE the United States NOW. I am not saying be a "quitter", but be realistic. At least you'll live to fight another day instead of rotting somewhere in a "secure detention center" (read: prison). It's Germany all over again. I ain't kidding.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:39
#56156
+ 1000000000
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:46
#56169
Where do we go? How do we get there?
Tentacles run deep - crime runs deeper
"Give me Liberty or Give me Death"....I will NOT, with the grace of Yahweh, betray my Lord or my honor
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:59
#56378
your imaginary Lord is what got us into this mess in the first place moron
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:21
#56104
From the LA Times no less....
"Rule 1: Never allow a crisis to go to waste," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told the New York Times right after the election. "They are opportunities to do big things." Over the weekend, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told members of the European Parliament, "Never waste a good crisis." Then President Obama explained in his Saturday radio and Internet address that there is "great opportunity in the midst of" the "great crisis" befalling America.
Numerous commentators, including me, have pointed to this never-waste-a-crisis mantra as ideological evidence that Obama's budget priorities are a great bait-and-switch. He says he wants to fix the financial crisis, but he's focusing on selling his long-standing liberal agenda on healthcare, energy and education as the way to do it, even though his proposals have absolutely nothing to do with addressing the housing and toxic-debt problems that are the direct causes of our predicament. Indeed, some -- particularly on Wall Street -- would argue that his policies are making the crisis worse.
But the real scandal isn't those policies, even though they're bad enough. The real scandal is that this administration thinks crises are opportunities for governmental power-grabs (It seems writer Randolph Bourne was wrong. It is not war, but crisis, that is the health of the state).
Michael Kinsley famously said that a gaffe in Washington is when a politician accidentally tells the truth. As they say, it's funny because it's true.
But the White House tactic isn't funny at all. It's scary. Its amorality is outweighed only by the grotesque and astoundingly naked cynicism of it all.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg10-2009mar1...
This current BS is a prelude to Marshal Law....
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:27
#56124
Very well described in the book Crisis and Leviathan by Robert Higgs.
http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Leviathan-Critical-Government-Institute/dp/...
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:16
#56105
Thanks for the post and taking the risk to post it! ZH presents that which people used to call journalism, pay attention, think and draw your own conclusions.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:23
#56117
After The Revolution, one of the States will be named ZeroHedge.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:30
#56431
LOL
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:23
#56113
Got gold?
Cause someone just bought a bunch. Check out this morning's chart.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:24
#56118
A F--KLOAD.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:59
#56139
By paying her a base in the $250-$500 thousand range (just a guess) it allows her firm to ratchet the remainder up or down according to some blend of her performance and the performance of the firm.
good articles; good articles 4 slow news day ..http://www..
hat tip: finance news & finance opinions
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:42
#56159
The only rational prophylactic for Novel H1N1-a is Bavitumaxib.
Vaccines will have unintended consequences on fertility.
Widespread Tamiflu use will yield more superbugs as majority of ingested Tamiflu leave the body unmetablolized.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:43
#56162
Check out the original filing date on this patent in 2007 and check out page 4 including N1H1. Baxter filed for a patent before the outbreak. Someone knew something the public didn't in 2007. http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:45
#56165
Check out the original application date on this patent in 2007 and check out page 4 listing H1N1. Baxter filed this a year before the outbreak. Someone knew something that the public didn't in 2007. http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:48
#56171
This is a definite cause for concern...but what is really going on?Is it a plan to enable giant profits thru scare tactics?Is it a sinister attempt at depopulation?Is there a serious threat of bio attack from persons unknown they are not telling us about?
Remember how george the torturer was hyping the bird flu?......I wonder.It would be pretty sad if it was just to cover up the theft of the entire planet concomitant with the reduction of all but the few elites into serfdom.Sadly, this is probably the case.
What evil people we are up against!Consumed totally by greed,power lust and every depravity imaginable!
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:50
#56173
History repeats? Of particular interests, Guillain-Barré syndrome
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2009/04/dayintech_0324
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:03
#56723
Trying to improve the proper individual ability for
knowledge.
Vet. Res. 38 (2007) 243–260 243
Review article
Avian and swine influenza viruses: our current
understanding of the zoonotic risk
Kristen Van Reeth*
* Laboratory of Virology, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Ghent University, Belgium
I claim all of you to read about the New Jersey "Incident" ... page 251 ...
Guillain-Barré ...
Thank you Marley and the text author for the pure sense of humanity
namaste.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 21:33
#57047
http://fazd.tamu.edu/flulitfolder/Current%20Understanding%20of%20Zoonoti...
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/aaon-acw083109.php
http://hhotlog.com/2009/books/guillain-barre-syndrome-from-diagnosis-to-...
One Love
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 20:31
#58301
Hey friend Bob (Marley) : )
Thank you again, I am happy for your compliance with the paper and so on letting me know that we still are able to think like a family, besides these terrific "things" that some technical persons do (looking for money).
Perhaps a little sad, God take care of us:
Guillain-Barré Syndrome is not so "easy" to recognize even by specialized people, the "authorities" are playing cards with luck and with immune system.
Are they preparing also the Intensive Care Units ? Why ? Because Guillain-Barré may need artificial ventilation ... (no need to say ... quickily).
Good luck to all (wo)man in his (her) honour these unsunny days.
namaste.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:56
#56175
Now I know that it is bankable to plan for and expect the opposite of whatever President Obama says, particularly if his statement is followed by "read my lips"; to that end I offer the following snippet from the President issued late yesterday on both the economy and Project Mayhem's bold thesis:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/01/obama.h1n1.virus/#cnnSTCVideo
It is also interesting that the government has now merged their old "PandemicFlu.gov" website with its regular Flu site, which as many know is quite distinct from Pandemic Flu. Of course if you want to (for whatever reason) goose the numbers and the fatalities then it makes perfect sense to merge the two, that way we are assured of at least 30,000 -40,000 deaths in the US, which is the typical annual tally for the regular flu.
Separately and of concern is that this vaccine has yet to be fully tested and for the conspiracy folks out there what is absolutely terrifying is the role that John Holdren is taking in the H1N1 program. John is the President's Science Czar and has written some pretty scary stuff in the area of eugenics.
http://www.questia.com/library/book/ecoscience-population-resources-envi...
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 10:52
#56176
Baxter's patent application filed in 2007. H1N1 is one of the viruses listed on page 4. This is a year before the outbreak. So they knew a year before the public became aware. http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20....
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:08
#56184
PM - Here is a "little" more for ya. yaya.. I attempted to be as brief as possible. I aploogize PM for missing your ref to MSEHPA.
1. The reason why we are seeing this come from Florida.
Soon after the anthrax mailings that followed 9/11, the CDC managed to convince Florida to embrace its Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, which entitles bureaucrats to order the examination, medication, isolation, and vaccination of private citizens—even if they aren’t ill. DELETED
2. The folowing report does a decent job on pages 19-21 discussing the reliance upon the military & law enforcement.
http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf
3. National concerns about emerging infectious diseases led to the creation of the Department of Defense Global Emerging Infections Surveillance and Response System (DoD-GEIS) in 1997. This program has 6 objectives relevant to influenza: (1) To isolate and identify circulating influenza viruses, (2) To detect new virus variants or subtypes for possible vaccine modification, (3) To identify influenza outbreaks, (4) To determine the incidence of influenza-like illness among sentinel military populations at high risk, such as basic training populations, (5) To prevent or control endemic and pandemic influenza outbreaks, and (6) To conduct global, operationally relevant, laboratory-based influenza surveillance.
PM - It's nice to think that persevering civil servants in Washington will ensure we have enough food, water, electricity, and heat. But as the report I linked to earlier warns, they’re far better geared to lock us all up. Post-9/11 doctrine gives The US military and the department of Homeland Security the authority to force Americans to be medicated, quarantined, and vaccinated if the president declares it necessary. Today's pentagon intensively tracks flu around the world (See #2). And Washington's even got a federal cyber czar with the power to take over the web.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/28/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry...
Here are some decent sources of 411 on flu matters and are generally considered among the best sources available on the web on the subject of flu.
http://www.fluwiki.info/
http://cottontopssandbox.wordpress.com/
http://afludiary.blogspot.com/
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/
http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/
http://www.virology.ws/
http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/swine_flu/
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/index.html
Hope all this helps the discusson along... And a big thanks to Peter Christian Hall for the collection of links.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:09
#56196
Thanks for your excellent post PM.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:19
#56623
Hey Gekko,
I hope one day I could drink a beer with you, Steak, Cheeky, and several other of my favorite bloggers.
Maybe we'll see each other after the revolution comes. You'll recognize me because I'll be the one with the silver and the M4.
Keep up the good posts.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:13
#56203
No way to quarantine/verify vaccination in a mobile country with 300 million folks. If it's that virulent of a strain, everyone will be contaminated; and the proposed vaccination has an efficiency rate of 1:200,000.
This all about profits, fear & unabated socialist control. If you are forced-vaccinated - BIOLOGICAL RAPE - take names, then redeem your due revenge at a later date.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:26
#56221
Can't bring suit against the exempted.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:22
#56297
I don't think he was talking about a legal resolution.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:42
#56343
Nothing being discussed in this excellent effort by PM is "legal" according to our founders nor would most folks response to these measures be considered so by those that will do anything to maintain power. Anything. Thank goodness more folks are waking up every day. I just wish I had the capacity to follow the awesome advice given by some, but I am essentially home bound disabled veteran in need of regular aid and attendance so I am stuck waiting for popo to show. Until then I will use the megaphone.
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 15:26
#139722
You are correct, and your megaphone will do nicely.
Words are weapons too. So yes, po will likely show up for you at some point. Or maybe not. Depends on how much sense you make and how many follow. For all others, by the numbers people. Gov. complicit, mainstream media,complicit, big pharma, complicit, any company involved in TIA,complicit. The list goes on and on. It's easy,1 2 3. We can only hope that our boys and girls in blue and green will keep their oaths. Though many are complicit. I don't believe that there is any "God" that is going to save us. History shows as much. By the way, many of our "leaders" don't really believe in God, hence their contempt for our "God given rights". Not to sound defeatist, but it is likely that their plans are too far along and the public by and large too affected by a multi-pronged attack on their bodies and minds for anyone to do a darned thing about it. I don't care anymore how I sound, I believe it's not IF we die, but HOW we die. Each person must decide for themselves and their children. If in fact we are not going to die en mass, we must still decide what kind of world will we bequeath to our children. Peace, love and light to you and yours.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:20
#56213
Pretty simple solution, really. Those who take the vaccine live; those who don't die. This eliminates the stubborn, questioning and disobedient and leaves a nation of sheeple.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:48
#56472
I have to say, this possibility has occurred to me as well. It's hard to know what to believe when you've accepted the possibility that your government is willing to kill you one way or the other, and manipulate the media to accomplish this goal.
But I don't think our choices are necessarily between swine flu vaccine and death. There's going to be a Solari Report released tomorrow on natural remedies for the swine fle, which I think should be essential reading for those of us who have decided not to take the vaccine.
I know that there is solid medical research behind Vitamin D as a natural remedy for flu, but it will be interesting to see what else solari comes up with. Solari.com if you're interested. I bet there's a lot of other info out there on the web too. Generations of humans survived the flu before flu vaccines were invented, so there are other ways out there.
on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 22:00
#111254
Man, vitamin therapies are just utter nonsense. Vitamins do nothing to stop you from getting a virus. They help bulk up your immune system, but that's about it. People usually survive viruses because they have a strong immune system, that's true, but H1N1 swine flu is unusual, like the 1918 flu, in that the main cause of death from H1N1 is actually cytokene storm in your lungs caused by an overactive immune system; so in this case, vitamins may do you more harm than good, because the healthiest people are the ones who are the most likely to die from it. For my money, an equally good bet on this virus is to down a fifth of vodka and smoke a carton of cigarettes; you'll weaken your immune system and probably have a better chance of surviving the virus.
I'm thinking about getting the vaccine, if it ever shows up around here, but now there's so much disinformation out there I don't know whether I should be more scared of the virus or the vaccine in this case. My dad says not to be an idiot and just take the damn vaccine, and he's usually pretty cautious. I do think it's a legitimate point that if the governments and corporations wanted some group of people to die, they'd probably want that to be the people who refused to take the vaccine, not the ones who took it. From that point of view, taking it is a way to outsmart them. On the other hand, maybe that's what they're banking on.
Damn it. Conspiracy theories just tie you in knots in the end, don't they?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:40
#56553
No, the people who take the vaccine will become ever more complacent, and those who do not will feel betrayed by those who did.
Nanotechnology, coming to your vital systems via vaccine circa 2010.
Not a doubt in my mind those who 'disobey' will be HEAVILY stigmatized, and called all kinds of names in the media. Prepare for some serious hate from the mis-informed, if you are saying no to this vaccine (as you should)
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:03
#56724
"Not a doubt in my mind those who 'disobey' will be HEAVILY stigmatized, and called all kinds of names in the media. Prepare for some serious hate from the mis-informed, if you are saying no to this vaccine (as you should)"
Haha...I'm already used to this. I go to the tea party protests. By the way, national tea party in DC on 912 (912dc.org).
I know that Sean Hannity has unfortuntately started to promote the event, but don't let that deter you from coming out and making your voice heard. It's just the "right wing" MSM trying to coopt a movement that was going to be successful without them.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:40
#56241
Normal 0 0 1 225 1284 10 2 1576 11.1282 0 0 0
Forced inoculations. Unlike Anonymous above who seems to believes that the great unwashed will succumb to Clorox in the gene pool, it may be stooges such as him who submit to poorly researched vaccines who will assume room temperature first. I have not seen a scintilla of evidence that the cure is better than the adverse effects, yet I have viewed evidence that the adverse effects are quite serious.
Regardless, forced inoculations violate such inanities such as Nuremberg Code, where trifling items such as informed consent are laid out. One element of informed consent states that the patient has a RIGHT to decline. It may be good to remember that the Nazi’s and Stalin did not have informed consent. Other than military service and a true emergency, an exception to the informed consent rule is when there is a life-threatening situation, and there is no empirical proof that this virus is a life threatening issue at this point. There has not been adequate time to do proper human testing on the vaccine, nor do we know who would be reviewing the reviewers of said alleged testing. Even IF adverse events were reported to the FDA, that agency does not disclose that information to the public. 185 F.3d 898.
Then there is the issue that the above documents ignore the 4th, 5th and 14th amendment, where we are asked forced to simply abdicate our rights bought and paid for by the blood of our forefathers. The same document says we must defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Do you truly believe that when the IRS shows up, they are here to help? Hell, let’s just get it over with and send the Constitution to Afghanistan to help in our nation building exercise. Lord knows we are not using it…..
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:46
#56244
Historically speaking a mass pandemic of H1N1 would do good to the general economy and the ratio of goods consumed vs. the amonut of basic materials needed for those goods to be produced. I say historically simply by comparing present day economic parameters with the ones when some sort of global epidemic depopulate the globe. I point you to the general condition in Europe in the end of the 12th century and beginning of the 13 century when wages were non-existent and land had no value, because the was no population dynamics in place. When black plague depopulated Europe the people who managed to get trough it demanded wages because there was not enough labor in existence to cover the need, and land begun to gain value simply because the population dynamics started to emerge. And that was when the only economic activity was agriculture. I am most certainly not the advocate for the above mentioned; but if H1N1 is a part of a plan; than the plan could have a final goal to produce the conditions in the general economy of the globe similar to those that we have seen in the 13th century. General standard of living would go up; wages would go up; and consumption + demand for basic materials would go down. If you are a macro-economist or a psychopath that is the most logical and productiv solution you can imagine ( or even engineer ); particularly when the economy is in the state as it is now.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:44
#56461
The exponential growth function dictates an outcome of this nature. Whether it be famine, pandemic, war or a natural disaster, something will retard the growth function.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:57
#56484
Control of the retarding factor is the issue in question here. No group should have this control and in the end no group will. Eugenics goes against nature and against the proper course of natural selection in its purpose. But its purpose will never be materialized because it is trying to control something that is beyond control due to the fact that the parties seeking this control are under its control as well.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:02
#56490
and to summarize these three posts; Malthus was wrong !
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:48
#56689
+1 quick wit man!
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:11
#56502
famine is already under way and rampant ( although not in the Western world ); pandemic is also rampant and quite long ( HIV, AIDS and now H1N1 ), war is predominant for the last 60 yrs ( although not in the western world ); natural disasters are frequent and somewhat catastrophic in nature ( although not in the western world ( see a pattern here)); the West is still deeply asleep and flawed with the believe in its own eschatology of a catastrophic nature ( but non-western world has gone trough numerous " eschatological outcomes " in the past 100 yrs and eschatology plays no major role in their structuralization ( societal, etc. )). The West i living in a bubble formed by a bubble which burst in 07 and 08. The West is in a fight for, not only its dominance; but also, for its fundamental believes and norms. If the death of the West is imminent; we are now much closer to it than some would like to believe; delusion does not prolong the event from happening; it only makes it more un-expected.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:41
#56554
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTFjVm9sTQ
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 07:27
#57237
Back to basic...Gov=Profit..there is no profit in cure...only pharma that makes you think your gonna live!
The Gates Foundation has sponsored R&D outside of money box to find cures that kill the poor who cannot afford treatment. Children by the millions die around the world and nobody cares. ;-(
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:24
#56516
The big question is who gets the chairs when the music stops. It's just a hunch, but I suspect that certain groups of people (Hank, Ben et al. wink,wink) know the tune already.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:07
#56607
as depressing as it is, I was having similar thoughts after reading this article
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/07/high_mortality_like_a_fox.cfm
on Sat, 09/19/2009 - 22:00
#74653
Dear Sir CB a very intelligent person (like others here)
but today my message is for you in special ;)
With great "pleasure" and with the exact sense for contribution for a live and a free Word.
last news from the front :
please follow the link :
http://www.oie.int/wahis/reports/en_imm_0000008451_20090918_180908.pdf
- many interesting things but one in special call me .... " ... Only recently weaned pigs are currently showing signs of disease (coughing)."
... the weaned pigs ... those how never "saw" the disease are been sick now ? I repeat NOW !!! something must be very very strange with these weaned pigs our perhaps with Pasteur, Darwin, epidemiological data on H1N1 ... or perhaps with me that time after time see things where are nothing to see.
namaste.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:54
#56263
please go to this site and read what you can do www.flucase.com its real and it going to happen, the world health organisation has just been exposed in the U.K!!!!THEY ARE BEHIND THIS HYPE
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:17
#56750
- your link no longer exist, spooky ehh.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:56
#56923
Try www.theflucase.com
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:25
#56301
You are WAY overblowing this. If you were head of these agencies, wouldn't you want to make contigency plans just in case an H1N1 mutation occured? Wouldn't you be negligent if you didn't plan for the worst, even if there was only a low probability of it happening? Take a breath and credit our public health officials for some excellent contigency planning, If only the financial modelers did as much!! (sigh)
p.s.- I'm a physician
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:01
#56382
Nevermind the possiblity that the contingencies being planned for are a result of the actions of the planners...the outrage is specifically about the contigencies being considered and their conflict over various things that comprise our humanity, such as human rights.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:26
#56419
Weds, August 29, 1979
"According to justice department officials, 42 million Americans were given the swine flu vaccine (in 1976) in an attempt to prevent a major swine flu epidemic.
No epidemic developed but at least 535 persons who received the vaccine contracted teh polio like Guillain-Barre syndrome. Of that number, 23 died, the officials said.
Many other persons suffered different side effects.
The Department of Health, Education and Welfare assumed liability for the vaccination program and since early 1977 has received 3,763 damage claims totaling $3,4 billion."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IgsVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jAIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4...
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:02
#56434
Ok Mr. Physician. Was the virus engineered or did they perhaps have a frozen sample of it? It came as a regular flu and then mutated into something more lethal. So I find it odd that out of table of various flu strains we would end up with an outbreak of long gone flu that we just happen to have frozen samples of it's deadly version.
H1N1 - H1N2 - H2N2 - H2N3 - H3N1 - H3N2 - H3N8 - H5N1 - H5N2 - H5N3 - H5N8 - H5N9 - H7N1 - H7N2 - H7N3 - H7N4 - H7N7 - H9N2 - H10N7You're going to have to move way the hell down the H table to at least H5 or H7 to not make me scream WTF at you. Do you hear me Mr. Physician. Do you hear me screaming WTF in your brain?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:33
#56537
Well, "doc". then you already know that vaccinations will not help if it mutates b/c its a different strain.
You would also know this is already mutating.
"contingency planning...excellence?!?"
Now I know you're not a doctor. If you are, use a name so I can contact your underwriter and let them know what an idiot you are.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:19
#56826
I agree with the physician... and most of the commentary I am reading today is over-reactionary hype. I am also a medical professional and have been closely following the H1N1 virus since the beginning... as I am responsible for contingency planning for our large health-related business.
When the mild H1N1 virus rolled through last year the most telling example of complete and utter failure on the most basic level was the fact that many people have no health insurance... and no health insurance means they will try to ride out the illness at home and not access appropriate health care... and that is exactly what they did when they were exhibiting symptoms... and I witnessed it... and I had to work around this failure and try to determine whether employees with certain symptoms would be allowed to work with patients. I think that this is part of what went wrong in Mexico... and so many additional people were exposed unnecessarily.
Additionally, I watched small rural clinics in our country be completely overwhelmed with hysteria and revert to triaging and mis-diagnosing the H1N1 virus by phone, while providing prescriptions for antivirals without ever seeing the client.
I cannot believe after watching this mild H1N1 fiasco on a small scale that the government could ever organize themselves into mounting anything that resembles organization for mass quarantine on a broad scale with a population of 300 million citizens, many of whom own weapons.
As for the vaccine... since I have a young child I still need to be here for... I would rather live with the small risk of an auto-immune disease and be here for her... than to contract the H1N1 virus and be in the small minority of people who may perish.
And folks... when the crescendo of "government is bad" rises to this pitch... your message is lost and you begin to sound like a bunch of crazies. Without a government we would have no ability to feel safe in our homes, no sense of order to our society, etc...
So, IMHO it might be good to turn down the 'crazy knob' just a bit to allow the message you are trying to convey to shine through.
And Project Mayhem... your facts are correct but your final conclusions may be a stretch... IMHO of course. But I do always enjoy reading you :-)
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 19:14
#56937
I think the problem here is one of "right of refusal". If a majority of the population are inoculated and some refuse, what's the problem? An option to inoculation is self-isolation, successfully implemented by a few communities during the 1918 pandemic, studied, and even recommended by the WHO early on;
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol12no01/05-1370.htm
If you want a revolution, remove individual rights. Thus the voices you hear are just questioning the "requirement" to be inoculated.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 21:26
#57049
Hi Marley... been wondering what your avatar is for a while now... help me out with that.
I think that as a matter of fact the persons putting forth this disinformation about a 'manadatory' requirement for H1N1 vaccination need to state their source... whether it be State Statute or Rule, or Federal Code. I reviewed the information put forth on August 28, 2009 by the CDC in regards to vaccination for H1N1 and everything is worded as "recommended". I have not found anything yet to indicate that any state has put forth a mandatory inoculation plan. I scanned the entire Massachusetts Senate Bill 2028 and the only thing relevent was:
An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.
Quarantine orders via the public health department have been around for ages... and they are there so a person who refuses treatment for tuberculosis (or another devastatingly communicable disease) cannot sit down next to me or my child in a crowded movie theatre, cough, and spread tuberculosis to those in his/her immediate proximity. So this is nothing new... the rights and best interests of the whole supersede the individual rights of one. We don't give bank robbers the right to steal from everyone who has money in a bank... we take away his/her right to rob a bank to protect the good of the whole. So I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to a reliable source about this forced vaccination and not just infowars.com
Project Mayhem what is your source for this... maybe I have missed something.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 00:50
#57111
Hey Minnesota,
Regarding the avatar, The Dead Parrot skit from Monty Python. My parody of the current state of the economy. "No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage! " I enjoy this site, though it's way out of my league. As a result I almost changed my avatar to Roger the Cat from Open Season 2.
Regarding the dialogue going here, is interesting at least. I respect PM and he does have a valid concern, if not just for the afore mentioned 1976 experience with forced inoculation. (Guillain-Barré syndrome, links many entries above) Also, a very interesting post by "Anonymous". I provided a link to those interested in reading the study.
I think what I'd like to mention about the response that are evident here, are symptomatic of a manipulated society. If you read up on manipulative personalities, this taken from a Scribd article about the same, " the negative effects of continued use of manipulation to control others are that:
People will wake up to your "con job" on them and be no longer willing to support, assist, or help out when you need them."
This is where I think our society is right now, not trusting and not wanting to support or assist. We're angry and won't take it any more.
"You (that being the manipulator and in my assertion 'the government') will become more likely to believe your own "con" stories and fantiasies and slip into a pre-psychotic" state with the inability to tell the difference between the reality and fantasy in your stories and lies."
It gets worse;
"You (again, the government) will get caught up in the need to continue to manipulate and con because it is the only way people will respond to you since they won't be able to relate to you as a "real" or authentic person because that side of you is rarely shown."
"People will find it difficult to fully trust you (emphasis mine) in the future and they will intentionally distance themselves from you for their own self-protection."
Anyway, intersting thought. Hope that helps.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 07:54
#57248
Thanks for clearing that avatar issue up... I can see it now... a dead parrot... and I don't think I agree with you that this site is 'way our of your league'... your comments are actually quite measured and thought-provoking... I always stop and read them.
I do agree with you that the underlying problem is the lack of trust in our government... and I agree that our populous is easily manipulated. However, in my opinion, when we have a manipulated society it can become quite easy for others external to the government to manipulate also... using sketchy facts and alarmist thoughts... primarily because the public is so used to being lead and is searching for someone to believe and trust... so then the pendulum can strongly swing the other way... which is no healthier than what we have right now.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 21:01
#58311
Thanks for the nice words.. I agree with your contention about others external to the government. I would add that throughout the years and various economic issues, there always seems to be three points of view;( this borrowed from an article during the Montana electric deregulation crisis in 91)
1. The true believers with a near religious faith in the market and an equally irrational distrust in government.
2. Authors of deregulation that have swung from being free marketeers to being neo-socialists
3. Those who simply see profitable opportunities in the pain and trauma they have crafted for the rest of us.
on Sat, 09/19/2009 - 22:37
#74671
Good exchange you two!
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:33
#56319
the shame about this all really is that one has no way of knowing of whether the supposed cause for concern is legitimate (and if so, how legitimate) or not.
the massive PR push all of a sudden like this is an ad campaign for a new reality show on GE/NBS for the fall season leads us to be as highly skeptical as you all.
still...as a few of those supposed 800,000 NYC residents who MAY have had a strain of H1N1 pass through their bodies last spring (and MAY still have that strain lying dormant in their bodies), the thought that continues to cross our minds is that it would not hurt any of us to begin to practice some preventive medicine...just in case.
so we happen to agree with Mr. O that it might be wise to practice common sense, however in our book of common sense, page 1024 clearly states not to inject anything by the name of SQUALENE into our muscles.
plus, needles make us squeamish...
echinacea happens our current drug of choice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea
you might have some growing in your area wild and not even know it, as it's a native and east & central n. america. if you find it (look for the flowers), pull some out of the ground (the roots are the best), go home and make a tea.
of course you could buy some too but we prefer to do it ourselves rather than pay someone else to do it for us, then ship it 1/2 across the continent to deliver it to us, then make us stand in a 20 minute line for us to give them the $, especially when it's growing in our backyard.
perhaps this is a bit too airy-fairy greenturd for some of you, but consider the alternative just in case what you currently think you know to be a little off and you end up having to take a trip to the hospital with several thousand other of your infected friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXXbIOc9h4g
just sumthin to consider worth about what it cost ya.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:37
#56330
Would they come out and predict 90,000 deaths, and half the US population getting infected this fall if they did not know something we didn't?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:51
#56478
Predict, shmidict, they're hasn't even been 90,000 deaths worldwide, probably less than a 1000 so far.
If H1N1 was turning into a deadly pandemic the MSM would be all over it like stink on shit.
H1N1 does not need the fall/winter season to turn into a worldwide pandemic, anymore than SARS did.
Stop buying the parnoid propaganda.
And, I haven't seen any proof that the H1N1 vaccine provides any protection for any variation of the H1N1 virus.
So you could be getting an H1N1 vaccine that doesn't protect you. The regular flu shot is just a best guess as to what flu strains will be prevalent this year base upon prior history.
I think a year or two ago, they produced a flu vaccine that did not totally protect all those who got the flu shot from the flu strains that showed up in the genreal population.
You could get an H1N1 flu shot, the H1N1 virus could mutate and you could still end up dead. Hopefull the government paid for the out of pocket expense of getting the vaccine in the first place so it won't be a total loss to your family. That extra 35 bucks should help with the funeral expenses.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:36
#56542
Again, its a PSI of 2:
minimum 90000 dead up to 450,000 (as of Spring, this could still elevate to a higher PSI)
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:41
#56341
Assault is defined as the threat to touch a person.. ACTUALLY touching a person without his consent is called battery . IF A PATIENT REFUSES to give consent for a blood draw a phlebotomist can be charged with assault and batery PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IN ANY PROFESSIONALS CODE OF ETHICS MUST ALWAYS BE THE PATIENTS WELFARE, 'first do no harm..' PHLEBOTOMIST
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:55
#56353
excerpts From Obama'a science czar's book:
and then we have the idea that Dr. Holdren was behind the rushed schedule for the H1n1 vaccine e.g. tests are only starting now:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/25/swine.flu.vaccine.volunteers/
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 12:57
#56372
wow thank you. Absolutely fascinating to get inside the head of someone who has never dealt with an impossibility.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:35
#56363
Just like all content posted on ZH, I will disseminate this information as far and wide as possible. After round number 8 my friends will know all about the potential for malfeasance presented by these "contingency plans".
But I wish to place a friendly reminder here so as to help the cause of freedom and the good fight. The red pill cannot be forced on people any more than this vaccine. Each person makes his or her own choice to wake up. You can help by staying as close to the facts as you can when talking to someone you are trying to help. Your opinion has no place in the red pill. The desire for truth is the only ingredient.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:09
#56392
Peux ce qui veux - allons-y
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:12
#56397
We are showing our age here. We must all be over 50. A person will know that the H1N1 virus has gotten bad when her three kids are home from school and she cannot find a place to put them for the week and now looses a week of pay that she cannot afford to miss. A person will know the H1N1 virus has gotten bad when the poor sap running the grocery store cannot get someone to stock the shelves because all of the teenagers are sick: so he is unable to open. A person will know the H1N1 virus is bad when the person telling them to stay in the house or face arrest is vomiting on their doorstep.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:17
#56407
Squalene is deadly? Cmon. Potentially harmful in certain cases? That's being researched.
Or are we to believe that the WHO is in on the conspiracy too?
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/adjuvants/squalene/questions_an...
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:25
#56421
"Squalene is commercially extracted from fish oil, and in particular shark liver oil. Squalene used in pharmaceutical products and vaccines is purified from this source."
all the more reason to take a trip to the sushi bar soon.
don't forget to make a toast of sake to the new rulers of Japan.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:47
#56467
don't try fugu though.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:22
#56417
Great stuff PM.
"MARK IT ZERO,DUDE"
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 13:53
#56483
Mr. Mayhem,
This is a brilliant post. You have just scared me shitless. I would appreciate it if you could make a full blown post about Squalene and other related hogwash that is being paddled by big pharma and Govts.
- Raymond
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:11
#56489
PM--nice work.
If one looks at the reports of ILIs to the CDC from Week 17 to Week 32 (influenza like illness reports, the numbers are decidedly ominous:
166,000 reported to CDC (until they stopped doing this)
8843 in hospital 556 dead.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/regions2008-2009/hhssenusmap.htm
Currently this has a PSI of 2 which =s about 90-450,000 dead.
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/36/cdc-key-points-h1n1.pdf
(READ PAGE 6, on)
Its was Spring when that estimate was made.
Now, if swine flu was "not a big deal" why are government thugs making a big deal out of this? Gee, could it a)more seriously than MSM leads sheeple to believe? b) its preferable to keep sheeple calm and dying in their homes. or c) mutating d) all of the above...
hmmmm.
Consider the math, troll asshats.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:37
#56545
It is really simple. Currently H1N1 is a normal flu, no mass vaccinations are necessary. However, flu viruses can mutate (it is not clear if this one will). If that happens, then chances are that the current flu vaccine will not work because the vaccines are specific per virus. It is also not clear, in that case if a vaccine or treatment could be made available soon enough.
What is of greater concern is that a confused and disoriented person (or populace) is especially easy to influence and might be more easily fall sick.
So the hype is strictly not contributing much except that it may help to bring about a mass psychosis.
Personally I think discussing these issues is healthy. However, let's use common sense. If there really is such a conspiracy on such a grand scale, what could you do about it? Nothing. So you might as well just decide to live your life and tell everyone to fuck off.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:22
#56522
"Flu hits hard at Pius X, 180 out sick"
Headline story in local newspaper this morning.
http://www.journalstar.com/news/local/article_821476fa-9726-11de-aecf-001cc4c002e0.html
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:30
#56532
Fight the Future.
Legal exceptions to vaccinations at link below.
Litigate the fuck out of these mofos
You can start with some ideas here when the time comes.
http://www.rense.com/general86/legl.htm
Ps--This is mutating see the WHO site. Vaccinations, mandatory or not, are going to be useless. The best u can do is self-quarantine.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:21
#56626
The time is here. See my post below. I am going to look at your site.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:21
#56754
Hi,,
not my website, but good info., nonetheless.
Good luck. The key is to delay and delay. IMO. don't be proactive about filing first.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:44
#56549
Want to be even more pissed PM?
Read here:
http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/
State Laws, Regulations & Legal Tools
Florida
The Florida Department of Health has released the following draft orders suitable for use during the current outbreak:
Voluntary Home Quarantine Agreement
Quarantine to Residence Order
Quarantine to Residence Order (Non-Compliance)
Quarantine to Facility Order
Quarantine Detention Order
Quarantine of Facility Order
Building Quarantine Closure Order
Area Quarantine Closure Order
Iowa
The following draft orders were provided by the Iowa Department of Public Health:
Antiviral Shortage Order
Voluntary Home Confinement
Home Quarantine Order
Home Isolation Order
Home Quarantine Release
Facility Quarantine Order
Facility Isolation Order
Massachusetts
Procedures for Isolation and Quarantine,105 Mass. Code Regs. 300.210 (2008).
North Carolina
The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services has released the following draft isolation order:
Isolation Order: Swine Influenza A(H1N1) Infection
Washington
Procedures for Isolation and Quarantine, Wash. Admin. Code § 246-100-040.
Washington Department of Health (DOH), templates for isolation and quarantine orders.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:43
#56558
Trying to save people from the H1N1 is somewhat opposite to the logic below. I thought it was the governments contention (as articulated by Ms. Pelosi in Jan 2009) that this country needs fewer live humans and not more:
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:46
#56562
Deadly squalene? You can buy it in health food stores: http://www.ihealthtree.com/squalence.html
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 09:14
#57360
fish,
it's not squalene per se that's the issue (see fish oil above), it's the method of putting into the body.
think of it like steroids.
taking orally in small doses, no problemo.
injecting directly into the muscles, hmmmmmm....
same as coca.
chewing coca leaves gives a nice mild pick-me-up.
injecting a speedball right into the veins,
see john belushi.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 14:54
#56581
Dude, you've totally slipped over into wacko land.
"An economic collapse will be no doubt be triggered soon , and it will be convenient for the political elites to blame the collapse on an external factor, such as a pandemic or a war. Furthermore, the fall H1N1 pandemic may be a convenient pretext by which dangerous levels of expanding social control can be established by elites which have proven themselves utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt."
WTF?
Take a deep breath - let's bring this thing back to reality.
on Sat, 09/05/2009 - 19:47
#60306
Yeah his post is wacko. The brainwashing has taken hold on him yet!
http://investment-blog.net/how-to-brainwash-a-nation-9-min-video/
on Thu, 09/17/2009 - 04:21
#72104
You and your sentence structure are semi-retarded.
"The brainwashing has taken hold on him yet!" makes no sense in the english language dipshit.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:02
#56601
When someone says something profoundly wrong, I usually just nod my head and let them do whatever they want to do. If anyone does not want to get a vaccination, I could care less. Adjuvents are needed in vaccines to stimulate an immune response. I jokingly asked my MD if I could add some talc to my shot. Talc in oil induces a powerful immune response.
For laughs, escaped chinchillas will each the corpses: http://www.fishgonebad.com/Stories/The_Flu/Flu0.htm
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:04
#56604
Back home, they're saying that a hayfever remedy called Nasaleze will essentially stop the virus in its tracks. It coats the inside of your nose so pollen can't irritate it. Also works against viruses apparently.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:09
#56611
big deal Laws are on the books that people can be thrown in jail for not taking tb meds or staying in your house.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:16
#56618
we need
a bailout vaccine..
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:19
#56622
They just announced mandatory vacinations for school aged kids in my city. Not too much offense intended, but ya'll can get fucked for all I care with all this discussion. This just got "real" for me, regardless of whether it is conspiracy, hype, etc.
I don't trust them with anything. NOTHING. If they hadn't let the rapists fuck the economy and then take what they please, maybe, just maybe, I would not have looked into the history of problems in this country with vaccines. But I know who these fuckers are, I have looked, and I don't trust them.
Maybe I will let my son take the vaccine when the fed and all the banks open up their Goddamn books.
REAL. Do you get that?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:26
#56638
MsCreant; it is my belief that when this starts to go into execution ( meaning; injecting the kids with this garbage ) bullets will start flying; mark my words. Picture yourself a guy who has kids and 100 pieces of weapon and is informed trough underground channels about H1N1 and the vaccination itself. It is going to get ugly. And for you; i really hope you manage to keep your children safe and as far away as possible from those vaccines. Your example only strengthens my belief in not having children in a world like this.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:47
#56685
I am wondering if the only chance we have of averting disaster is if the pandemic settles in and beats their deadline (October). Or home school.
Right now I am trying to think of how to design a short, honest, high impact pamphlet, that, in a few sound bites, gets it accross that the vaccine is questionable. I could hand this out to parents at my son's school. Sounds lame at first blush, but going to guns first thing is not the right thing to do. It may end up being the right thing though. But if I am the only one, I am a nut job, one night, news wonder, get thrown in jail and my kid gets the stick anyway.
Lot to think about and not too much time to act.
Thanks for your comment. Not having kids is a valid choice. There are many around who don't have adults, already. You can help love one already here (and even teach em to shoot!).
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:11
#56722
Risks. Benefits. Choices.VACCINE INFORMATION YOU WON'T HEAR FROM YOUR PEDIATRICIAN
http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx
The Killer Vaccines An Honest Physician Warns of Serious Dangers
http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock/1.cfm
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:54
#57088
CDC is saying that mandating vaccination is a state and local government decision. 38 states have decided on mandatory vaccinations. Colorado is one state that has not. May be worth while to find out which states are not making it mandatory. Also, get involved if possible in local government decision making. Check out PrisonPlanet.com
Alternatively, home schooling is good too. My nieces were homeschooled. They're very bright. Could do worse, being taught by a caring and intellegent mom like yourself.
on Fri, 09/18/2009 - 22:19
#74208
MsCreant, I applaud your non-violent approach, as violence begets violence. That being said it may be the only choice down the road, but at this time could I suggest a well publicized hunger strike. Get a few people to join you, make your goal to bring awareness to the potential hazzards that have been mandated by your gov't.
good luck...
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 02:30
#57164
Some are saying to take a passive stance against having the mandatory vaccinations as taking an aggressive stance (use of a weapon to deter those providing the vaccine) will only help to bring Martial Law upon us which ultimately plays in big-pharma's / banking elite / corporate-run-govt's hands.
What's everyone's thoughts on this?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:22
#56749
See the post where I link to legal exceptions you can exploit.
Theorectically and hypothetically speaking, ahem, Find a doctor that is willing to treat withou a consultation. They are surprisingly abundant, do your homework by visiting websites about buying prescriptions without a script, you'll find one.
Pay that person to write a fake medical record.
Viola.
PS- Visualize small legal print caveats and disclaimers here.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 14:56
#57906
what if the purpose of the mini RFID chips, smaller than a human hair now (see www.the flucase.com) is so that authorities can verify that you've had a real shot? False records won't help.
As for the idiots who say "Big Deal" about the laws coming down now which create martial law (e.d. Mass.)re this programmed hysteria and allow the authorites to forcefully inject you, I say "Good Luck MOFO when the Gestapo kicks down your door". You'll be curled up in a fetal ball crying like a baby when you realize you missed your chance to defend your rights. What did Ben Franklin say about defending your rights?
on Sat, 09/19/2009 - 01:45
#74273
Say, "i'm alergic to duck eggs" (cause they gave me a rash one time when i ate them on a farm...
and typically vaccines are made uses duck egg whites. I know this from a paramedic who is disqualified from getting vaccinations on this basis. Works for her.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 00:59
#57147
Came back to follow up on this. In my on line local paper, I was reading the comments in the comment section and, well, take a look, I am not the only one who questions this:
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:20
#56625
Project Mayhem - are you sure you're not an ambassador from FluTrackers.com and/or InfoWars.com?
Seriously I think a lot of the concern and rumors surrounding this issue are a reflection of a rapidly escalating distrust in all things government and corporate. I believe what we are seeing is a combination of disillusionment with the candidate of change against a backdrop of the economic crisis and the political and corporate corruption that it exposed. Vaccines, bailouts, health care reform, national ID cards, video surveillance, cap and trade, climate change, main stream media etc. - if it has to do with the government, the leadership or the banking oligarchy it is not to be trusted.
There's a lot of junk science on both sides of the vaccine issue not to mention political agendas and lobbyists; people would be well advised to get the facts. There are a lot of good links posted above if people are willing to take the time to investigate. Excellent topic that you introduced here.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:24
#56756
The numbers are buried but readily available. I even drew you a map. pretty much. The question is are you just a "name caller" or do you really want to know?
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:22
#56627
PM. Great work on putting more of this together. Do not mind the detractors. I have come in contact with some very smart people over the years who were unable to see past fib numbers or wave counts. If is a gift to spot important pieces to the game and put them together properly. I for one, will never understand why it is so difficult for most to see the forest amongst all the trees. Oh well, just keep up the good fight and to those who like to fling about the word conspiracy negatively, in doing so, you immediately negate your own comments. How do you think things get done in this world? By coincidence or some power summit? Know your history? Have you learned anything from it? Why does it tend to repeat? Must be a conspiracy!
So PM. Add this to the list as well.
EMERGENCY UPDATE: French government document details forced mass vaccination plans from September 28th: GPs and hospitals to be excluded. Similar documents believed to be circulating in all WHO member states:
SNIP:
The document dated August 21st and signed by the French Health Minister Rosaylne Batchelot-Narquin and the French Minister of Interior, Minister of the Interior, Overseas Territories Brice Hortefeux is addressed to the heads of each of France’s defense zones. the regional prefects in charge of police and the gendamerie, the prefects of departments and the heads of regional health authorities for hospitalization.
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=448%3Aemergency-update-leaked-french-government-document-reveals-details-of-who-forced-mass-murder-vaccination-programme-starting-september-28th-more-soon&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
And for those who do not question nor research what they put in their bodies, I guess there will be a lot of job openings immediately following this crisis:
SNIP:
Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?
What Squalene Does to Rats
What Squalene Does to Humans
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:46
#56682
Good to know...I live in Mass and will gladly pay the 1000 dollar a day fine for the rest of my life...all on credit of course. If the fine option is taken away from me, I've got my running shoes on.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:15
#56820
Add exposure to sarin, cyclosarin & mustard gas when we demolished several cashes of these weapons in a manner consistent with demolition of conventional munitions and you can understand my predicament. Now a 100% disabled veteran with massive arthritis, a haywire central nervous system and rapidly evaporating white matter in my brain.
My advice to all is do not get these shots!
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:26
#56639
What a load of crap this fear mongering is. I don't have to read one sentence of it. Just another white man afraid of the black man at the WH. Nice Sci-Fi though.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:15
#56878
What a dickhead.......now you're throwing race into the discussion?? What it has to do with IS the Marxist a-hole in the WH that has encumbered the US for generations and with his cronies will use any means to turn this country into a socialist welfare-state.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:19
#56883
Now who is paranoid?
FYI ... death from flu shot is color blind.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:35
#56669
i have a sweet rock river arms ar 15 in my panties. cheeky is right. .556's will be flying soon. ain't no one sticking me with that garbage. and yes... depopulation is in the cards with these sick demons.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:42
#56675
you can see that depopulation is high on the list for these fuckers, just by knowing who Big O's science czar is. Check out his writings and his stand on pregnancy, children and general population. Someone should tear a new one to that guy with a RPG.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 17:27
#58122
+10000.. Good to see ya back
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:44
#56678
These powers have always been there buried witin public health legislation, but almost never need to be used. 'Worst case' disaster planning or table top exercises are also nothing to be alarmed about - if anything, it makes sure that the responders are well prepared.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:47
#56686
"Dude, you've totally slipped over into wacko land.
"An economic collapse will be no doubt be triggered soon , and it will be convenient for the political elites to blame the collapse on an external factor, such as a pandemic or a war. Furthermore, the fall H1N1 pandemic may be a convenient pretext by which dangerous levels of expanding social control can be established by elites which have proven themselves utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt." er, dude... you're the one who is whacked. shake yourself.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:52
#56696
one other thought for consideration:
why is the head of Homeland Security making pronouncments on A-H1N1?
Napolitano: 'Big Influx' of new infections likely
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_swine_flu
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:58
#56705
when they kick in your front door
how u gonna go?
with your hands on your head;
or the trigger of your gun?
-the clash
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:01
#56718
Since we're on the topic of health, I would like to talk about fluoridation of the water supply. There has been research done that concludes that continuous ingestion of flouride calcifies the Pineal Gland. The effects are greater passivity, apathy, brain hurt to think too deep, and tameness. Nazi Germany tried it first and the overall trend has been the more controlling the government the higher the chance of flouridation.
I have read that EDTA reverses some of the accumulated effects of this flouridation but would like to hear more thoughts as to the possible validity of this concern and the the responses one could make.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:08
#56734
Purity of Essence, Peace on Earth.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:04
#56727
The key to preventing and minimizing the damage resulting from any disaster is preparedness. Whether that takes the form of laws enabling the government to forcibly quarantine people or holding conferences on high-risk threats, government must prepare if it is to respond when disaster strikes.
Pandemic flus such as a more deadly strain of H1N1 will close ports for periods of three weeks or more. The damage that this will do to our economy and food chain is very frightening and very likely. Quarantining infected individuals would go a long way to preventing or minimizing the impact a pandemic. Whether the government knows more or less than the general population, it must prepare for potential catastrophic situations.
Also, from my read, the internment and resettlement recruiting is intended to increase the number of military personnel with a vital MOS in these times – think Abu Ghraib.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:06
#56731
The key to preventing and minimizing the damage resulting from any disaster is preparedness. Whether that takes the form of laws enabling the government to forcibly quarantine people or holding conferences on high-risk threats, government must prepare if it is to respond when disaster strikes.
Pandemic flus such as a more deadly strain of H1N1 will close ports for periods of three weeks or more. The damage that this will do to our economy and food chain is very frightening and very likely. Quarantining infected individuals would go a long way to preventing or minimizing the impact a pandemic. Whether the government knows more or less than the general population, it must prepare for potential catastrophic situations.
Also, from my read, the internment and resettlement recruiting is intended to increase the number of military personnel with a vital MOS in these times – think Abu Ghraib.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:13
#56741
PM dude; your posts are gaining some traction; you're on the front page, near the top on Infowars.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:29
#56764
I don't know how honored PM should be about that, but BRAVO, anyway, PM.
Cheeky--I totally hear ya about the Pelosi thing.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 16:58
#56797
What is it with this ZeroHedge InfoWars love connection?
First we have TD posting Chapman missives, then we have InfoWars featuring ZH articles and now ZH's esteemed contributors appear to be participating in a visiting professor program, as it were, with that esteemed website.
http://www.infowars.com/cdc-h1n1-forced-quarantine-docs-leak/
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:20
#56829
[0 announced the best growth in manufacturing appliances, cars and computers in two years. He showed how little he groks the economy. Most of these three products are manufactured overseas. Import prices are down -19% YOY.]
0Care comments on H1N1 made some sense if they are to be believed re government not requiring quarantine or vaccination.
Just like the undeclared Depression, the odds are we may get the H1N1 avianhumanswine recombinant flu no matter what we do. It mutates, so it is gambling against side effects to become vaccinated.
Monopoly mass media report a million had H1N1 already, with 622 deaths. The one in 1580 lethal odds so far favor not being vaccinated. The upside is most of us may survive it, even if it is changed or mutates to a more lethal form. We may have previously acquired resistance or tired immune systems that may save us.
The downside is that the vaccination may be more lethal than the disease, or the fears of paranoid conspiracy theorists may come partially true.
Re infectious chemtrails, H1N1 and detention centers, David Icke, Infowars, Prison Planet et al claimed this for years, citing Cheney HAL KBR et al contracts to build detention internment camps with prison railcars from Alaska to Wyoming, allegedly up to 600 FEMA camps on closed military bases far away from civilization in a Mad Max Reptilian World. Like the 9-11 videos, truth may be in the eye of the beholder. Google it.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=108590
As usual, there may be a germ of truth in paranoid conspiracy theories. Trust but verify. In the case of widespread economic or H1N1 depression and civil disorder, camps, detention centers and Tent Cities are already SOP with Boy Scouts, Family Services, Law Enforcement, Mental Health Centers, Military and Indian Reservations and National Guard Armories. House MD on TV convinced most viewers it is ok for medical personnel to violate civil rights by going into homes without permission. House, get it?
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/02/04/sheriff-arpaio-chains-together-immigrants-and-forces-march/print/
Florida, Massachusetts, New York, Washington and West Virginia hospitals codified mandatory vaccinations. No doubt there is an Executive Order. The WHO is reportedly on the verge.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wv_mandatory_vaccines.html
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mandatory-Swine-Flu-Vaccin-by-Stephen-Lendman-090714-608.html
During WW II FDR did indeed deprive accused American citizens of Constitutional Rights by Executive Order 9006. He put citizens in concentration camps without due process or consistency. All 110,000 Japanese on the West Coast were relocated into internment camps, while less than 1800 in Hawaii, where 150,000 Japanese Americans lived, were relocated. The FDR Supreme Court upheld the order. This left many properties seized by ambitious lawyers who became elected politicians. The Reagan Administration and Congress paid $1.6 Billion in reparations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2009/0629_obama_wittes.aspx?p=1
Prescription drugs and hospitals may be hazardous to our health. JAMA and others have documented up to a million iatragenic deaths a year.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm
BAX not only produced lethal contaminated heparin. BAX also, after first stonewalling, admitted it recently made vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus bioweapons distributed to 18 countries by lab "accident" at an Austrian branch of Baxter.
http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/?p=760
That WHO selected BAX to develop a vaccine for the H1N1 avian human swine flu may seem a curious conflict of interest indeed. Prominent virologists suggested H1N1 was a manmade cocktail of at least 4 viruses unlikely to meet, match and mate in nature.
http://www.naturalnews.com/z026141_swine_flu_conspiracy_conspiracy_theories.html
http://www.infowars.com/h1n1-virus-manufactured-or-result-of-human-error/print/
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/pillscribe/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-is-a-man-made-product-claims-scientist/
Perhaps Bilderberger, CFW, Trilateral plutocrat agents really do want to control and cull population to their benefit, as Paul Ehrlich's 1968 Population Bomb and insomnia radio insinuated for decades. Population control seems like such a harmless oxymoron, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb
Combine these speculations with job recruiting for Army Corp Camp Engineers in the deserts and tundra, apparent ads for more detention camp guards than Gitmo, plus a shortage of ammunition.
Pretty soon we may have more government by crisis. So far there are more armed Constitutional Americans than people on the government payroll. They're from the government and they're here to help US.
Squalene, although implicated in arthritic autoimmune Gulf War Syndrome, is produced by the liver and used in cosmetics and healthfood capsules, as the wikipedia link in the post says. Squalene dosage levels do matter and competent vaccinologists know this, although having no corporate liability creates more moral hazard than the banks had.
Of slightly more concern is the recently confirmed link between mercury containing Thimerosal and epidemics in autism and autoimmune disorders, with the use of aluminum compounds linked with Alzheimers as adjuvants to increase immune response and reduce costs and time. The head of Merck Research warned of the mercury risk as far back as 1991 but offical denials led to nothing being done for a very long time while autism, birth defects and Gulf War Syndrome increased, possibly due to vaccinations, pesticides and depleted uranium. Thimerosal has been reduced or replaced, and there may be a 2009 H1N1 vaccine without it. Might as well remove mercury amalgam fillings, which are considered safe by the American Dental Association at levels higher than EPA limits.
http://www.naturalnews.com/z026953_thimerosal_autism_mercury.html
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050209&slug=vaccine09
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome
Fact: Rushed and undertested 1976 pandemic fear flu vaccines killed more people with paralyzing Guillain-Barré Syndrome than the one Fort Dix soldier who died from the flu. Disabling lethal innoculations bankrupted every vaccine maker with liabilities. They made Ford a one-term President. Yellow Whip Inflation Now buttons and calling Poland free while debating Jimmy Carter in San Francisco did not help.
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
The biggest red flag on vaccines was waved by the late head of Merck Research.
Before he died, famed respected Dr Maurice Hilleman went public on PBS confessing vaccines spread HIV and other simian viruses like the cancer-causing SV40 in Salk Polio Vaccine. The viral contamination came from harvested infected kidneys of wild African Green Lab Monkeys sacrificed to make vaccines for the population. His admission was deleted before broadcast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Hilleman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU 9:57
No wonder Pharm companies bought indemnity from Congress.
So what's a person to do this fall?
Let's employ some simple practical stop losses.
First we realize that even if the H1N1 vaccine isn't a deliberate bioweapon, unlike ordinary seasonal influenza, which kills up to 500,000 a year worldwide, H1N1 survival odds favor not being innoculated for H1N1 and staying out of contagious camps or crowds.
H1N1 vaccine side effects may kill more people than the flu itself.
Unlike regular flu, if we are an extremely healthy young adult aged 20 to 40, with a strong immune system, we may be most at risk for H1N1.
The lethal H1N1 Spanish Flu in WWI killed via immune response cytokine storm pneumonias drowning the patient in their own fluids, sometimes within hours.
The worst cases then were sent to hospitals fieldcamps where the virus spread. So stay out of H1N1 camps, crowded doctor's offices and hospitals. Healthcare costs may fall faster than 0Care.
http://www.theblogofrecord.com/tag/annual-flu-fatalities/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm
Second, the swine flu, whether mutated or weaponized, is contagious, often times without symptoms. The avian flu, like the Hong Kong flu during WWII which claimed 69,000 lives, and the more recent SARS, which killed 800 people in 2003-4 and disappeared after millions of chickens and pigs were sacrificed for no scientific reason, were both lethal but not pandemic. More people died of annual seasonal flu: 500,000.
https://www.google.com/health/ref/Severe+acute+respiratory+syndrome+%28SARS%29
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no2/pdfs/03-0677.pdf
The H1N1 Spanish Flu with 70 million combatants in WWI was more contagious and lethal, with a third of the world's population infected and up to 100 Million dying. The second Spanish swine flu wave the second season was far more lethal. The flu may have even won the war for the Allies by decimating Axis forces first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_I
The interesting news ofr conspiracy theorists is that the actual WWI Spanish Swine Flu H1N1 virus was frozen and preserved until few had natural immunity. Small pox samples have similar risk for biowarfare, the elephant in the room.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
Third, H1N1 may be contagious even without symptoms.
Then our best prophylactic is to take Vitamin D and use internet and telephones to avoid most people during flu season, particularly on airplanes, boats, buses and trains.
http://www.examiner.com/x-17146-Dallas-Womens-Health-Examiner~y2009m9d2-Chlorella-and-vitamin-D3-fights-influenza-types-A-B-C-and-swine-flu-H1N1
Then there is personal hygiene. As the President said, let's cough or sneeze into our elbow or sleeve. Kids do that naturally.
The habit of coughing or sneezing into our elbow is actually considerate and constructive.
Face masks may or may not help, since H1N1 virus in aerosol coughs or sneezes may be smaller than the weave and most face masks do not fit tight.
Let's wash hands, face and clothes after coming in contact with cars, door knobs, envelopes keyboards, railings, telephones, or whatever people touch. Art Bell couldn't figure out why he was getting the flu out in the high desert until a caller asked him if he read his mail.
Antiviral disinfectants or specific soaps may work, suggesting some stock ideas to offset the depressionary economic effects of H1N1.
Above all, let's avoid emergency rooms, hospitals, camps, colleges or schools where H1NI can spread like wildfire.
The latest research found prescription Tamiflu and Relenza did not prevent H1NI flu. They reduce symptoms 24 to 48 hours. They may have side effects including diarrhea, insomnia, nausea, nightmares, respiratory collapse and vomiting.
An current Oxford University British Medical Journal study advised against their use in children because side effects outweighed benefits.
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Alarm-grows-over-Tamiflu-for.5544523.jp
Tamiflu royalties with Roche benefited former Gilead Science CEO shareholder Donald Rumsfeld. Instead of selling GILD tax-free, Defense Secretary claimed massive DOD Tamiflu transactions were arms length.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=89734
There are so many inaccurate statistics and so much misinformation in mass media that buyer beware and common sense are the best overall prescriptions for Swine Flu 2009.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/swine-flu-s-re-emergence-questions-and-answers-1.1409379?print=true
http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=14869
Regards*Rich
$11.4 Billion medical device company funder.
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on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 09:31
#57381
that's good soap.
we like adding a bit of fennel to ours (and our toothpaste).
fennel's is a mad crazy anti-bacterial agent. plus, it's tastes & smells yummy and can be made into a mean absinthe.
we like to stay away from corporate commercially-made 'antibacterial' soaps, as we believe that they actually help make viruses mutate that much faster.
probiotics (yogurt, kombucha, etc) are great too, but a lot of people can't dig the taste, but that's mostly because the store-bought ones taste like urine most the time. best to make your own.
we believe that this possible epidemic is a grand test for the america that many of us would like to see:
radical self-reliance mixed w/ true grassroots community information sharing.
this evolution will not be televised and most certainly will not come from the top down.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:28
#56835
This is worth looking into as well. Any doctors in the house?
SNIP:
...We are told that the drug companies and the World Health Organisation have been working at fever pitch to develop a vaccine for the 'new' swine flu strain known as H1N1, .. Baxter International filed a patent for the H1N1 vaccine on August 28th 2008.
Click here to read ...
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf
Baxter Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 says:
'... In particular preferred embodiments the composition or vaccine comprises more than one antigen ... such as influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2, H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7, H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3, H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2, H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes.'
....The patent was published in March 2009, a month before the virus was detected in Mexico in April, but it was filed seven months before this 'new strain' was officially known about.
The patent includes the following ingredients and toxicity warning:
'Suitable adjuvants can be selected from mineral gels, aluminium hydroxide, surface active substances, lysolecithin, pluronic polyols, polyanions or oil emulsions such as water in oil or oil in water, or a combination thereof. Of course, the selection of the adjuvant depends on the intended use. E.g. toxicity may depend on the destined subject organism and can vary from no toxicity to high toxicity.'
Hmmmmmmm.......
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 17:57
#56855
We are eating far more dangerous substances in our processed food anyways.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:43
#56901
forced vaccinations of 280mil people. some of which are heavily armed. i highly doubt this is part of the master plan. dont underestimate the huge # of crazy gun toting miltia types in the USA. also why not let people skip the vaccine. then the virus will kill off the very people opposed to the gov.??
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 18:44
#56903
http://www.lyrics.com/lyrics/pink-floyd/sheep.html
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 19:29
#56946
HHS granted vaccine makers and federal officials immunity from lawsuits that result from any new H1N1 vaccine. HHS Secretary, Sebelius, signed the document releasing vaccine and government officials from liability on July 17, 2009.
Per the WHO website: In Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a so-called “mock-up” vaccines which contain an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus. Such advance studies can greatly expedite regulatory approval.” The problem is that Baxter did distribute it to 18 countries from their Austrian branch and now there are investigations in multiple countries. The problem was discovered because one recipient in the Czech Republic quickly tried it out on ferrets and they all died. http://www.naturalnews.com/026571_Baxter_New_Zealand_health.html
Aslo, a letter from the UK Health Protection Agency was leaked to The Mail leading to demands to know why the information regarding a deadly nerve disease has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins. It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine. GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal. The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, 2009 and was a sign that the medical community was concerned that the vaccine could cause serious complications.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-kille...
I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are overreacting and hurrying the vaccine because they do not want to be under prepared, like the Katrina debaucle. But the rush is definitely creating its own risks that could be even worse than the flu. And with people like Holdren in the administration, no wonder people are worried. And now Elmo is pushing the vaccine: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/01/elmo.h1n1.flu/
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 20:29
#57000
I am confident after witnessing the government's handling of New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, that we will all be fine.
No worries.
Take your shot.
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
-1984
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 21:05
#57031
Some nights, I wonder about this site. Maybe, I think, it's being run to generate a list of troublemakers who log in in response to the provocative, anti-establishment posts. I'm not sure I believe all this, thinking more likely H1N1 is at worst like a Cat 5 hurricane pumped up by the media that never shows, but sure sells a lot of stuff at Home Depot, and most likely, a non-event that gives the government equivalent of blue roof light toting volunteer firemen an excuse to juice up the sirens, flip on the lights, drive fast and close all the roads for a small car accident where no one got hurt.
Or maybe a disinformation technique - you know hide the real truth in plain site among the crazy stories so that when someone points out the truth, the response is "yeah, right, that's from those guys with the detention camps bullshit."
Not saying there are no facts here. To the contrary. But it gets a little . . . weird. Great thought provoking post, PM. CB is back and that's cool.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:18
#57066
If we let them take away our free speech away just by scaring us out of it then we never deserved to have the 1st Amendment in the first place. Fear is the mind killer and they would like to generate as much of it as possible but it won't keep us from talking.
And I agree it's all a little weird and confusing and half the time I read this blog it feels like I have to concentrate just to keep my head from exploding. But that's why we talk and reason things out, to see through the smoke and mirrors and locate the cheese. A healthy round of pimp juice helps put things in perspective as well.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 22:38
#57080
Why this isnt a legit conspiracy theory: WAY too many people would have to be involved, across massive distances, who dont know each other outside of long distance communications, all brought together in peaceful times on the richest nation on earth.
Its unreal how so many people even consider these conspiracies without first thinking what it would take to pull off such a conspiracy. Do you think the government could have all these meetings behind closed doors, and communicate with 1000's of people across multiple states, and not one of the people in those meetings would come speak out against the policies?
Stop the panic...you are insane. Further, if you are afraid of the trivial risks of vaccines, dont take them....Enjoy your polio. Afraid of antibiotics...steroids, blood thinners...stents...etc? great. you dont have to have them...and everyone knows they all have risk. But, know that you decline these modern medicines along with the knowledge that your life expectency will be much shorter, and your health quality of your shorter life will be much lower.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 00:14
#57139
What makes this an important message without necessarily being a conspiracy is the potential for abuse.
What bothers me is that the vaccinations haven't been fully tested. Without proper testing you really don't know if the cure is worse than the disease.
These are valid concerns.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 19:06
#58229
My friend,
They have been running all kinds of exercises under the guise of terrorism etc communicating behind closed doors and in the open. One such method has recently been completed.
http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm
I could spend hours taking you to school on this stuff but I suggest you go do the research yourself. In the end, that is the only way to convince all the skeptics out there that there is something definitely afoot. Any trader worth his salt should be looking at every angle, all information to get the sharpest edge possible. Now, why don't you start with all the executive orders that have been issued since 9/11. Go research how Busch plowed a ton of money into have the selective service system fully staffed and operational before he left office. Maybe look into what was so significant about March 13, 2008 and the United States House of Representative's? The infrastructure has been put in place incrementally. People have become accepting, conditioned, and complacent. Step up and post real facts much as PM has along with others. I see no facts in your statement to convince me otherwise that this is not just another part of some grand scheme. And by understanding the scheme, at the very least, one can hedge appropriately-for the short term.
on Sat, 09/19/2009 - 02:01
#74280
"Ignorance created Gods and cunning took advantage of the opportunity." is all i can say to anyone who proclamates "conspiracy" as impossible or unlikely.
600-plus Structural Engineers and Architects can't be wrong about steel-framed buildings falling down due to fire.
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 23:22
#57115
See more on Massachusetts pandemic bill (NOT yet law) at www.MassResistance.blogspot.com
on Wed, 09/02/2009 - 23:34
#57120
Perhaps a side effect of this vaccine is to turn people into zombies.
This means the "Quarantine Detention Centers" are either a) Zombie Factories to raise an undead army to fight rebellious voters, b) Zombie concentration/disposal camps, profiting from carbon credits through recycling zombies as fertiliser or finally c) Holding pens for Goldman Sachs employees to undergo extensive testing to determine whether they are in fact already zombies
I for one welcome my new zombie overlords.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 01:20
#57150
EVERYONE STOP WITH THE PROGRAMING--DELETE CONSPIRACY THEORY FORM VOCABULARY"-!!!!!!!!!!!!------BAAAAHAAAAHHAAAA
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 01:54
#57157
One thing to note is that swine flu has spread before, in the 1970s. Back then there was a huge government program to vaccinate people and warning people of impending doom and the markets even reacted, fearing apocalyptic consequences of a second Spanish Flu on the political stability of nuclear powers (read: USA and Soviet Union). The result: a mere hundreds of deaths.
RELAX people! Normal flu kills TENS OF THOUSANDS every year. This year will likely be more serious because not only do we have normal flu but swine flu as well.
I do have some concerns though:
1) It's been publicly stated that swine flu affects people in the 25-45 age range more than it does young or old - a reversal from typical flu. And yet, the government is forcing vaccinations of schoolchildren?!? Huh?
2) Vaccinations haven't been thoroughly tested yet. We don't know if it is totally safe. However they're starting trials soon.
The biggest reason why I'm not worried:
The number of people in NYC alone to have caught swine flu already is in the 800,000 range. How many died? In the teens. What's the death rate of the swine flu virus that actually went to hospital? 6%. That means the overall death rate is very low since not all people go to hospital for the illness, and those that do are likely in advanced stages. Mexico had a high death rate due to poor sanitation and health care standards. Further, in case the widespread vaccinations don't work, there's oseltamivir and zanamivir, both of which have shown a 0% survival rate of the virus in testing done at the CDC.
And about the influenza detention centers and forced vaccinations, etc., think about it this way. Say you've got a potentially dangerous disease that while not lethal yet may mutate. What do you do? Be prepared. Thus, all these steps are logical. I wouldn't want sick people hanging around my place, would you? Also, they're seeking to stop hyperventilatory maniacs like many on this thread and website from overreacting.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 05:55
#57208
You want to see something that says someone back in 1991 knew more than they should, its definately no coincidence his offices were raided by the NSA.
They removed a load of documents from his office and computers some never returned.
follow the thread to the bottom of the page.
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=4062&hl=
Tell me what you think, i started this thread by the way and i still cannot believe how prescient this guy was.
on Thu, 09/03/2009 - 08:31
#57285
I am old enough to remember when quarantine was invoked without much complaint. Certainly the government was not seen with much suspicion. Gvernment was often ignorant, stupid, and heavy handed, but mostly people believed in it.
Now a government that guts the SEC, refuses the enforce the law in regard to the Fed, shows signs of corruption at every turn, allows harmful medications and food additives for monetary reason instead of science, and suppresses treatments that could have saved thousands of lives, offers to vaccinate us by force! At worst they want to kill us off. (I hope thats a huge stretch) At best we are being manipulated so someone with a good lobbiest so they can make some big bucks
First clean up,then maybe we will trust the gubment a little!
I'm afraid its too late for anything short of guns and guillotines.