CDC H1N1 forced quarantine docs leak

Project Mayhem's picture

Last night Zero Hedge obtained some interesting documents from the CDC web site.  They contain blank 'forced quarantine' orders from Iowa and Florida regarding novel H1N1 -- including quarantine to a 'secure detention center'-- which appear to be recent -- dated April 2009.  Some may be aware the NIH and CDC just held an H1N1 conference in DC -- August 19-21 2009 -- that focused on 'mass fatality management'. For many, this should be cause for concern.  As is becoming clear, our government is quite corrupt.  The idea that this same government is now preparing for forced quarantine and mass vaccination  should make anyone who has been following recent events shudder.  There is something going on here, but governments have not come clean with the public.  Why 'secure detention centers' in the U.S. and 'secure vaccination centers' in France if there is nothing to be concerned about?   It is becoming increasingly clear that a global mass vaccination campaign is planned -- likely to become mandatory in the 193 WHO member countries, despite serious safety concerns regarding these untested novel H1N1 vaccines, some of which are now known to contain high levels of the deadly adjuvent squalene.


Others may be aware that it was only last week that the Massachusetts State Senate passed a law making it a relatively serious crime to refuse a mandatory vaccination or to break a quarantine order.  This law also includes rather astounding violations of the 4th Amendment, including warrantless searches and seizures of property if deemed necessary in an 'emergency'.  This new Massachusetts law also included authorizations for illegal arrest without a warrant and of forced vaccination of the public.  But the political activity is not limited to the states.  Yesterday Obama held meetings with senior cabinet officials regarding H1N1 'pandemic prepardness' including HHS Secretary Sebelius.  So this is not idle speculation.  There is something going on here.  Either the government knows something we do not, or this is the biggest  hype since the dot com bubble.

Although the current H1N1 virus does not have lethal genes yet,  we have been implicitly promised by the national and global health authorities that novel H1N1 will soon return with such genetic 'upgrades', just as it did in 1918. Here at ZeroHedge, we are expecting a flock of economic black swans soon,  and a pandemic -- whether real or hyped -- may be part of this flock.  An economic collapse will be no doubt be triggered soon , and it will be convenient for the political elites to blame the collapse on an external factor, such as a pandemic or a war.   Furthermore, the fall H1N1 pandemic may be a convenient pretext by which dangerous levels of expanding social control can be established by elites which have proven themselves utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt.

On to the documents.


This is just CDC/NIH contingency planning.  Nothing to be concerned about. 


FL Quarantine to Detention Facility Order Apr 09 252


Home Quarantine Order Novelflu Filled in 4-30-09

FL Quarantine to Residence Order Apr 09 252


Perhaps now is the time to educate ourselves rather than remaining blissfully ignorant.  Perhaps now is the time to confront our government officials with questions.  How many states have drawn up plans like those above?  Do the authorities plan on initiating forced quarantines?  Do the authorities plan on initiating mandatory vaccinations? 


h/t cryptogon

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Anonymous's picture

Thousands of whites were killed in Ukraine by flu "vaccines" Strange illness in Ukraine

Anonymous's picture

Obama has already DECLARED a state of emergency for the united states. Google it.

Anonymous's picture

Canada is passing a similar Bill into Law right now. The Bill is called Bill C-6, and it allows:

1) The Canadian Government, under Health Canada, the power to; search private property without a warrant; seize private property without Court supervision; destroy private property without Court supervision; take control of businesses without Court supervision; and in some circumstances to keep seized private property without a Court order

2) The Canadian Government to abolish the law of trespass, thus allowing the Government access onto private property without any legal recourse. It also allows warrants to be issued to search private homes without evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and allows the Government to seize your private property without a Court order, and hold on to it for an indefinite period without having to report the seizure to a Court.

3) Canadian citizens can be fined and have their property seized by the Government under the administrative violations section. Citizens so charged under these administrative violations, would have no right to have a Court determine their guilt or innocence. The Government determines your guilt, and the Government official who determines your guilt or innocence, can keep your seized property if he/she finds you guilty. Also, once the Government has seized your property, you would be responsible for the costs of the seizures and detentions, regardless of whether or not the seizures and detentions were justified.

Coincidence??? What do you think???

Anonymous's picture

Here's a real life, anecdotal experience. Our family of four had novel H1N1 around the first week of September. Swine flu has been sweeping through the local university, and this week two of the local middle schools had 20% absentee rates. Our experience was similar to having the regular flu, one week of outright misery, and one week of recovery fatigue. Mass vaccinations with a sketchy product don't seem warranted.

Anonymous's picture

H1N1 was manufactured, the current strain is just a beta test before the deadly version will be released.

Right now the US military is testing the vaccine on their own service men, they have no choice. The results of these tests are very problematic, and all fatalities and sick soldiers are kept undercover. The public is not informed about these activities.

The US have became a genuine fashist state.

People wake up !

Anonymous's picture

5000 hogs (pigs) with H1N1 in a farm in Northern Ireland ... and "the weaned pigs" are the last to be "coughing" (so sweet ... gotabekidding) . ... very very strange ... the pig boys are the last to know the "devasting disease" ? hmmmmmm are they thinking we are dummies ?

- no contacts with known humans with the Influenza (H1N1). - perhaps we are returning to the miasma's time.

"Coughing Swine in Northern Ireland Prompt Search for Flu Source" >>> Bloomberg noticed too.

link for us -

"The show must go on" ..... or perhaps been prepared to go on


Anonymous's picture

This is no joke, friends! I've been reading and studying up on this subject for quite some time. The more I learn about this the more I feel like I'm either watching a science fiction movie or living in the twilight zone! When you actually read about this subject on Zero Hedge, though, you know its reality.

I believe the so-called "elitists" plan to use the fear caused by this virus to make it easier for them to implement their government takeover given the strong administration opposition that exists even now. In my opinion they believe that fear induces compliance (they would be right about that) so plan to use this fear to control the masses. Fear begets fear, but in this case the developing scenario involves generating real fear by releasing a real virus.

Plus, I recently read a speech given in Europe last November by Trilateral Commission founder (and Obama foreign policy advisor) Brzezinski in which he stated that it was sometimes better to kill certain types of people rather than deal with "them" (I am paraphrasing because I can't remember where on the internet I read this speech). It was unclear who he was referring to - but since people can't easily be separated, his intent could involve using the virus as a population-control means strictly to make "the masses" less in number and therefore more easily controlled. This does make sense (if you don't think about it too hard) as part of the overall scheme since one of Obama's "czars" (coincidentally?) advocates purposeful tainting the drinking water in order to achieve population control.

I can't even believe I'm writing these words even as I write them! These people are mentally ill beyond belief! But, I do know that something very, very strange is going on - just look at the SEC behavior and also what appears to be the state-run media not reporting important news that affects us!

And....Whoever posted the speech also remarked that it was very strange to hear Brzezinski talking so openly about all of this stuff.

Huh? Talking about it is strange? What about actually doing it?

Just what is going on here? What have we done to deserve this abhorrent treatment? I had never even heard of these so-called "elitists" until last year. Who asked them to be part of our lives and to involve themselves in our decisions?

ZH: Is it all right with you if I forward these documents to FoxNews/Glenn Beck?

Anonymous's picture

I am going to have to say, that I believe her.

Anonymous's picture

mandatory vaccinations and if no comply, then shackles and limited movement

my my

time to lock and load. i know you guys are buying all that ammo and guns just for deer, are you? ha ha

Anonymous's picture

Why are you reposting from 9/2/9?

George the baby crusher's picture

My 20 cents.  I don't live in the US, I live in Europe and we received a first batch of vaccine from Baxter.  This vaccine was in fact not the A-H1N1 but a live bird flu strain.  After killing 2 ferrets in a lab, the mix up was discoverd.  This is not a conspiracy, this is fact.  For the life of me I do not understand why the US wants to force it's people to take this vaccine.

As I stated I don't life in the US, if I did I would be very worried.  I myself, my children or my wife who happens to be a medical professional  are not going to take the vaccine.  And no, not because Alex Jones said it's a bad idea.  My wife and I are university educated, so we read and we decide apon the merits of what we know.  At present, and because we are not in the so called risk group, and the virus in it's present state is harmless for most, I don't understand why we should take it.  We must remember that the vaccine that is coming out is not protection for the mutated variation that may become lethal to the general public.

I would suggest every family decides for themselves, but imho and the opinion of some medical professional friends I would suggest caution. 

Anonymous's picture

I am all for armed and very violent revolt, I just don't see it as a winning proposition. The land mass of this country is simply too vast, we would be gnats trying to kill an elephant. Once we accept that we must discard the notion of even a guerilla uprising, the only other alternatives, I see, are:

1) Flee to, or invade depending on how to look at such things, some resource rich nation which will benefit from the warming climate and melting arctic sea ice in the decades to come (Iceland anyone?) and reinvent the government and economy of said nation.


2) An extremely well coordinated decapitation of the entire system. I'm talking "cells" all over the country hitting their targets within an hour or 2 of one another. These targets would be law makers, financiers, media moguls, CEO's of every shape and kind, etc. And it would have to happen semi-simultaneously before most of them could figure out what was going on. A coup of coups.

Its logisticially nigh impossible, beyond ficticious in scope and utterly devoid of the moral leverage a traditional radical arms him or herself with, but thats hardly the point. Would it really be so bad if several of your current competitors made the "list?" Then, gentlemen, and ladies, we have replaced the old aristocracy with the new. Which, historically, is probably something that has to happen as long as we humans are trapped in our ancient tribal chieftan as providor/lawgiver/god cycles of governance.

So, like I said above. I'm all for it. There's no way in hell we can win a conventional military or even non-conventional military campaign, on this soil, so our options are attack en masse some poorly defended island nation we could, in theory, have a chance of taking over, and then fighting with one another over power structures there. Or, set the day, draw up "The Big List" choose targets, and let's see what happens. (Which, even if marginally successful would only create a bigger divided between the masses and those who rule, but perhaps the thing we wanted all along eh?)

Anonymous's picture

You all ought to be quite concerned...There is much going on out there that is quite irregular...They appear to be preparing for massive deaths... Problem is this all seems to be by design... There is a Mexican trucker who was hired by Dept of Homeland Security that is paid $5000 per load to haul refrigerated loads to Pentagon and other destinations...They gave him shots so he wouldn't catch anything...he is escorted by retired law officers...and is told he cannot stop the truck even to go to the bathroom. it is thought that he is carrying not vaccines but the actual viral antigen....that would be deathly...why so much going to many's scary. Reports of hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins lining roadsides that hold 3-4 corpses. FEMA has the equivalent of concentration camps they've built out there... I use to think this was wacky conspiracists...but given our current situation, I'm not so sure. There are reports of foreign military all over the country... In my home state it is reported federal buildings are putting 8" glass windows in their offices...guess they know there will be a rebellion of sorts coming given their plans... They also said they were hired to build UN checkpoints throughout the city... huh?! Doesn't sound like the America I knew... All conspiracy nuts? I don't think so...

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And why would they entrust spreading a lethal virus to a mexican truck driver and a retired law officer?  Come on people...If we're going to get some truth in this issue google what Baxter's been up to, just to mention one.  Search and you will find decent reasons not to be vaccinated, but not mexican truck drivers please.

Anonymous's picture

It is despicable that they're attempting to get away with another biowarfare OP on the people. notice they can't get away with 'west nile virus' again because that was fairly easy to call it out for the biowarfare OP that it was and that started too here in NYC vicinity using Plum Island and the North Shore medical units for the diffusion into Long Island sound. Not a single first or early siting was at the airports or the ports, but near Long Island Jewish Hospital with one of the first people to contract 'West Nile Virus' was a radiology lab worker at Long Island Jewish Hospital, which is part of the North Shore medical series of hospitals and medical centers. Scummy. what also was another clue that bio warfare wasnt a stretch was that the pentagon in the 60s, and 70s had released viruses into the New York City Metro/subway system. Really creepy.

AN0NYM0US's picture

PM - these are a must watch for any concerned about vaccines

this current as of Sept 5:

Here are a series of video interviews with Dr. Russel Blaylock ( board certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer)

on vaccines, A-H1N1 etc. - inteviewed Friday September 4 on Alex Jones radio program:

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Anonymous's picture

Some thoughts (not in any particular order):

1. Big Pharma smells an opportunity ($). Expect them to lobby or direct the government to push vaccinations.

2. There is a precedent for mandating vaccinations of children attending public schools. This is an easy target. Expect it. This was probably a good thing at one time (think measles, etc) but definitely we are at the exploitation stage (by Big Pharma). Example: the chicken pox virus. This one is totally about convenience. Watch for it to be a big problem down the road as immunity wears off as the vaccinated kids become adults (especially for those who don’t get good jobs with healthcare benefits so they can get boosters). You'd probably be better off getting the chicken pox as a kid.

3. Vaccinating 100% of the population is generally unnecessary for limiting or erradicating a virus. Depending on the virus, vaccinating some percentage much less than 100% is generally sufficient to limit the virus. Whether or not a virus becomes an epidemic depends on the virus’s basic reproductive rate, which is based on the transmission coefficient (i.e, rate at which susceptible people become infected), population size, and duration of infectiousness. If a sufficient number of people are vaccinated (and we assume the vaccine works) then those who remain unvaccinated receive a benefit too.

4. Forced vaccination of the adult population would be a stupid thing to do (although that doesn’t mean it won’t be tried somewhere). All you have to do is have the MSM announce a flu crisis, say there is a vaccine available, and say the vaccine is in probable short supply, available on a first-come-first-served basis. A large percentage of the population will be knocking down the doors of their local health clinics to get the vaccine. Why force it when it’s easier to make people want it? After all the “voluntary” vaccinations have occurred, if Big Pharma profits are still less than desireable, then announce the availability of more vaccine, demonize those who haven’t lined up for it yet, and then mandate it.

5. Personally, I’ll sit this vaccine out. Preemptive immunity for Big Pharma from lawsuits granted by Congress is a big red flag to me.

Doc Holiday's picture

Mass vaccination is for herd immunity - flu won't spread.  The old and sick will be protected.  What is good for the herd is not necessarily good for the individual.

Many vaccines, including DPT, are association with profound neurological disorders, including Guillian-Barre and acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM). In the neurological literature, there are case reports of MS-like attacks following vaccines.

In the animal model for multiple sclerosis (MS), myelin basic protein (MBP) is injected into mice.  This causes paralysis and brain disease the mimics ADEM.  The cause of MS is unknown, but the animal model suggests exposure to exogenous (e.g. viral) proteins.

Vaccine manufacturers are aware of the risks.  A Vaccine Court hears all vaccine cases.  There is a $250,000 pain and suffering limit.  Vaccine manufacturers are in the court a lot.  Each patient is only there once.  There are pro-vaccine experts who can get good at this sort of tesitmony.  Plaintiff (patient) experts tend to be a one night/day show.  Who do the Vaccine Court (Administrative) judges get to know? 

Personally, I have no interest in getting a vaccine to protect me from a week of misery at the risk of a lifetime of neurologic incapacity.  Same goes for my kids.

This topic is the tip of the iceberg in health care "reform," which is really about liberty.  Who wants their physician to work for the State?  Didn't Burt Reynolds and Spencer Tracy play that one out?





Anonymous's picture

Mr. Mayhem
I would like to know where these documents were found.
I am very interested in seeing more, I have been doing daily research into outbreaks and law changes. As well as any other updates and information. I have also found some info on other websites and through googl searches I would be happy to share with you.

Anonymous's picture

Hey all.

How do we know for sure these documents are real?

Anonymous's picture

This 80+ minute video will tell you all you need to know regarding our government...

Anonymous's picture

Project Mayhem I agree you are doing a service to people so keep it up. Unfortunately not everyone has the depth of understanding they require to see what the tea leaves mean.

Anyone who takes unneccessary vaccination shots is gambling with their health. Anyone who thinks that conspiracy, or better put - a shared belief or viewpoint followed by action by those who have the power to do so - does not exist, is a successful subject of the dumbing-down of world education centers. Read up on what Ritual Defamation is. Whether swine flu vaccinations are toxic and a method to further the eugenics programs our leaders vocally and enthusiastically support, or whether it is a program to induce hysteria which leads to revolt,or whether it is another distraction "Wag the Dog" style so they can push through their Death Care programs to control who gets medicine, or more trillions for bankers, matters not to the government. Read The Creature From Jekyll Island, Beyond a Pale Horse, etc.

BTW it may interest you to know that many of us researching the topic believe that ''American citizen'' is a euphemism for "corporate captive/slave" - recall that the US and its agencies are registered corporations; and that is why the Patriot Act can exist, why George W. said "the Constitution is just a piece of paper", and why you can be forced to do things against your will. If you are skeptical then research the concept of "Parens Patriae" which is the legal doctrine which allows judges to make rulings even if they violate the Law. People will have to defend their HUMAN rights if they want to keep them. Those rights are inviolable.

Anonymous's picture

As of 3 September 2009, the Earth's population is estimated by the United States Census Bureau to be 6.782 billion.

Of these the CDC and WHO have estimated the number of deaths related to the H1N1 virus to be approximately 1800. Of those approximately 60% had other things wrong with them.

These numbers do not in any way shape or form justify what is currently happening or a forced world wide inoculation for the purpose of saving lives.

The question then is "What is really going on."

Anonymous's picture

The greatest and most dangerous conspiracy theory mankind has witnessed is the notion that a small circle of powerful financial elites are morally perfect and would never plan to do violence to the rest of us.

Anonymous's picture

So true. Excellent Comment!

Anonymous's picture

This Flu is no doubt a threat, but so far it is quite similar to seasonal flu in its threat. All flus have the potential to kill.

Spare a thought for the MILLIONS who die every year of Malaria. Why don't Westerners in the developed world panic for them, is it because they are remote, removed from being an eyesore. IF you, like me, have seen the death rates of those poor children suffering malaria (and their families), H1N1 pales.

The vaccine does seem rather rushed, and some insurance companies are refusing to insure health practitioners who give the shots. I agree the testing has been rushed, but what is the alternative if the virus mutates to a deadlier form? And what will it take to convince the public that the vaccine is safe? There will always be the Jenny McCarthy's of the world who spread uninformed and hysterical opinions. HEr autism and vaccine link has been refuted over and over by evidenced based science.

Anonymous's picture

I am old enough to remember when quarantine was invoked without much complaint. Certainly the government was not seen with much suspicion. Gvernment was often ignorant, stupid, and heavy handed, but mostly people believed in it.

Now a government that guts the SEC, refuses the enforce the law in regard to the Fed, shows signs of corruption at every turn, allows harmful medications and food additives for monetary reason instead of science, and suppresses treatments that could have saved thousands of lives, offers to vaccinate us by force! At worst they want to kill us off. (I hope thats a huge stretch) At best we are being manipulated so someone with a good lobbiest so they can make some big bucks

First clean up,then maybe we will trust the gubment a little!

I'm afraid its too late for anything short of guns and guillotines.

Anonymous's picture

You want to see something that says someone back in 1991 knew more than they should, its definately no coincidence his offices were raided by the NSA.
They removed a load of documents from his office and computers some never returned.
follow the thread to the bottom of the page.

Tell me what you think, i started this thread by the way and i still cannot believe how prescient this guy was.

Anonymous's picture

One thing to note is that swine flu has spread before, in the 1970s. Back then there was a huge government program to vaccinate people and warning people of impending doom and the markets even reacted, fearing apocalyptic consequences of a second Spanish Flu on the political stability of nuclear powers (read: USA and Soviet Union). The result: a mere hundreds of deaths.

RELAX people! Normal flu kills TENS OF THOUSANDS every year. This year will likely be more serious because not only do we have normal flu but swine flu as well.

I do have some concerns though:

1) It's been publicly stated that swine flu affects people in the 25-45 age range more than it does young or old - a reversal from typical flu. And yet, the government is forcing vaccinations of schoolchildren?!? Huh?

2) Vaccinations haven't been thoroughly tested yet. We don't know if it is totally safe. However they're starting trials soon.

The biggest reason why I'm not worried:

The number of people in NYC alone to have caught swine flu already is in the 800,000 range. How many died? In the teens. What's the death rate of the swine flu virus that actually went to hospital? 6%. That means the overall death rate is very low since not all people go to hospital for the illness, and those that do are likely in advanced stages. Mexico had a high death rate due to poor sanitation and health care standards. Further, in case the widespread vaccinations don't work, there's oseltamivir and zanamivir, both of which have shown a 0% survival rate of the virus in testing done at the CDC.

And about the influenza detention centers and forced vaccinations, etc., think about it this way. Say you've got a potentially dangerous disease that while not lethal yet may mutate. What do you do? Be prepared. Thus, all these steps are logical. I wouldn't want sick people hanging around my place, would you? Also, they're seeking to stop hyperventilatory maniacs like many on this thread and website from overreacting.

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Anonymous's picture

Perhaps a side effect of this vaccine is to turn people into zombies.

This means the "Quarantine Detention Centers" are either a) Zombie Factories to raise an undead army to fight rebellious voters, b) Zombie concentration/disposal camps, profiting from carbon credits through recycling zombies as fertiliser or finally c) Holding pens for Goldman Sachs employees to undergo extensive testing to determine whether they are in fact already zombies

I for one welcome my new zombie overlords.

Anonymous's picture

See more on Massachusetts pandemic bill (NOT yet law) at

Anonymous's picture

Why this isnt a legit conspiracy theory: WAY too many people would have to be involved, across massive distances, who dont know each other outside of long distance communications, all brought together in peaceful times on the richest nation on earth.

Its unreal how so many people even consider these conspiracies without first thinking what it would take to pull off such a conspiracy. Do you think the government could have all these meetings behind closed doors, and communicate with 1000's of people across multiple states, and not one of the people in those meetings would come speak out against the policies?

Stop the are insane. Further, if you are afraid of the trivial risks of vaccines, dont take them....Enjoy your polio. Afraid of antibiotics...steroids, blood thinners...stents...etc? great. you dont have to have them...and everyone knows they all have risk. But, know that you decline these modern medicines along with the knowledge that your life expectency will be much shorter, and your health quality of your shorter life will be much lower.

Anonymous's picture

"Ignorance created Gods and cunning took advantage of the opportunity." is all i can say to anyone who proclamates "conspiracy" as impossible or unlikely.

600-plus Structural Engineers and Architects can't be wrong about steel-framed buildings falling down due to fire.

NRGTDR's picture

My friend,

They have been running all kinds of exercises under the guise of terrorism etc communicating behind closed doors and in the open. One such method has recently been completed.

I could spend hours taking you to school on this stuff but I suggest you go do the research yourself. In the end, that is the only way to convince all the skeptics out there that there is something definitely afoot. Any trader worth his salt should be looking at every angle, all information to get the sharpest edge possible. Now, why don't you start with all the executive orders that have been issued since 9/11.  Go research how Busch plowed a ton of money into have the selective service system fully staffed and operational before he left office. Maybe look into what was so significant about March 13, 2008 and the United States House of Representative's? The infrastructure has been put in place incrementally. People have become accepting, conditioned, and complacent. Step up and post real facts much as PM has along with others. I see no facts in your statement to convince me otherwise that this is not just another part of some grand scheme. And by understanding the scheme, at the very least, one can hedge appropriately-for the short term.


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Harbourcity's picture

What makes this an important message without necessarily being a conspiracy is the potential for abuse. 


What bothers me is that the vaccinations haven't been fully tested.  Without proper testing you really don't know if the cure is worse than the disease. 


These are valid concerns.



Ned Zeppelin's picture

Some nights, I wonder about this site. Maybe, I think, it's being run to generate a list of troublemakers who log in in response to the provocative, anti-establishment posts. I'm not sure I believe all this, thinking more likely H1N1 is at worst like a Cat 5 hurricane pumped up by the media that never shows, but sure sells a lot of stuff at Home Depot, and most likely, a non-event that gives the government equivalent of blue roof light toting volunteer firemen an excuse to juice up the sirens, flip on the lights, drive fast and close all the roads for a small car accident where no one got hurt. 

Or maybe a disinformation technique -  you know hide the real truth in plain site among the crazy stories so that when someone points out the truth, the response is "yeah, right, that's from those guys with the detention camps bullshit."

Not saying there are no facts here. To the contrary. But it gets a little . . . weird. Great thought provoking post, PM. CB is back and that's cool.

TumblingDice's picture

If we let them take away our free speech away just by scaring us out of it then we never deserved to have the 1st Amendment in the first place. Fear is the mind killer and they would like to generate as much of it as possible but it won't keep us from talking.

And I agree it's all a little weird and confusing and half the time I read this blog it feels like I have to concentrate just to keep my head from exploding. But that's why we talk and reason things out, to see through the smoke and mirrors and locate the cheese. A healthy round of pimp juice helps put things in perspective as well.

Anonymous's picture

I am confident after witnessing the government's handling of New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, that we will all be fine.

No worries.

Take your shot.

"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

californiagirl's picture

HHS granted vaccine makers and federal officials immunity from lawsuits that result from any new H1N1 vaccine.  HHS Secretary, Sebelius, signed the document releasing vaccine and government officials from liability on July 17, 2009.

Per the WHO website: In Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a so-called “mock-up” vaccines which contain an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus. Such advance studies can greatly expedite regulatory approval.”  The problem is that Baxter did distribute it to 18 countries from their Austrian branch and now there are investigations in multiple countries.   The problem was discovered because one recipient in the Czech Republic quickly tried it out on ferrets and they all died.

Aslo, a letter from the UK Health Protection Agency was leaked to The Mail leading to demands to know why the information regarding a deadly nerve disease has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.  It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine. GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.  The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, 2009 and was a sign that the medical community was concerned that the vaccine could cause serious complications.

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they are overreacting and hurrying the vaccine because they do not want to be under prepared, like the Katrina debaucle.  But the rush is definitely creating its own risks that could be even worse than the flu.  And with people like Holdren in the administration, no wonder people are worried.  And now Elmo is pushing the vaccine:

Anonymous's picture

forced vaccinations of 280mil people. some of which are heavily armed. i highly doubt this is part of the master plan. dont underestimate the huge # of crazy gun toting miltia types in the USA. also why not let people skip the vaccine. then the virus will kill off the very people opposed to the gov.??

Anonymous's picture

We are eating far more dangerous substances in our processed food anyways.

NRGTDR's picture

This is worth looking into as well. Any doctors in the house?


...We are told that the drug companies and the World Health Organisation have been working at fever pitch to develop a vaccine for the 'new' swine flu strain known as H1N1, .. Baxter International filed a patent for the H1N1 vaccine on August 28th 2008.

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Baxter Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 says:

'... In particular preferred embodiments the composition or vaccine comprises more than one antigen ... such as influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2, H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7, H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3, H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2, H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes.' 

....The patent was published in March 2009, a month before the virus was detected in Mexico in April, but it was filed seven months before this 'new strain' was officially known about.

The patent includes the following ingredients and toxicity warning:

'Suitable adjuvants can be selected from mineral gels, aluminium hydroxide, surface active substances, lysolecithin, pluronic polyols, polyanions or oil emulsions such as water in oil or oil in water, or a combination thereof. Of course, the selection of the adjuvant depends on the intended use. E.g. toxicity may depend on the destined subject organism and can vary from no toxicity to high toxicity.'


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[0 announced the best growth in manufacturing appliances, cars and computers in two years. He showed how little he groks the economy. Most of these three products are manufactured overseas. Import prices are down -19% YOY.]

0Care comments on H1N1 made some sense if they are to be believed re government not requiring quarantine or vaccination.

Just like the undeclared Depression, the odds are we may get the H1N1 avianhumanswine recombinant flu no matter what we do. It mutates, so it is gambling against side effects to become vaccinated.

Monopoly mass media report a million had H1N1 already, with 622 deaths. The one in 1580 lethal odds so far favor not being vaccinated. The upside is most of us may survive it, even if it is changed or mutates to a more lethal form. We may have previously acquired resistance or tired immune systems that may save us.

The downside is that the vaccination may be more lethal than the disease, or the fears of paranoid conspiracy theorists may come partially true.

Re infectious chemtrails, H1N1 and detention centers, David Icke, Infowars, Prison Planet et al claimed this for years, citing Cheney HAL KBR et al contracts to build detention internment camps with prison railcars from Alaska to Wyoming, allegedly up to 600 FEMA camps on closed military bases far away from civilization in a Mad Max Reptilian World. Like the 9-11 videos, truth may be in the eye of the beholder. Google it.

As usual, there may be a germ of truth in paranoid conspiracy theories. Trust but verify. In the case of widespread economic or H1N1 depression and civil disorder, camps, detention centers and Tent Cities are already SOP with Boy Scouts, Family Services, Law Enforcement, Mental Health Centers, Military and Indian Reservations and National Guard Armories. House MD on TV convinced most viewers it is ok for medical personnel to violate civil rights by going into homes without permission. House, get it?

Florida, Massachusetts, New York, Washington and West Virginia hospitals codified mandatory vaccinations. No doubt there is an Executive Order. The WHO is reportedly on the verge.

During WW II FDR did indeed deprive accused American citizens of Constitutional Rights by Executive Order 9006. He put citizens in concentration camps without due process or consistency. All 110,000 Japanese on the West Coast were relocated into internment camps, while less than 1800 in Hawaii, where 150,000 Japanese Americans lived, were relocated. The FDR Supreme Court upheld the order. This left many properties seized by ambitious lawyers who became elected politicians. The Reagan Administration and Congress paid $1.6 Billion in reparations.

Prescription drugs and hospitals may be hazardous to our health. JAMA and others have documented up to a million iatragenic deaths a year.

BAX not only produced lethal contaminated heparin. BAX also, after first stonewalling, admitted it recently made vaccines contaminated with deadly live H5N1 avian flu virus bioweapons distributed to 18 countries by lab "accident" at an Austrian branch of Baxter.

That WHO selected BAX to develop a vaccine for the H1N1 avian human swine flu may seem a curious conflict of interest indeed. Prominent virologists suggested H1N1 was a manmade cocktail of at least 4 viruses unlikely to meet, match and mate in nature.

Perhaps Bilderberger, CFW, Trilateral plutocrat agents really do want to control and cull population to their benefit, as Paul Ehrlich's 1968 Population Bomb and insomnia radio insinuated for decades. Population control seems like such a harmless oxymoron, too.

Combine these speculations with job recruiting for Army Corp Camp Engineers in the deserts and tundra, apparent ads for more detention camp guards than Gitmo, plus a shortage of ammunition.

Pretty soon we may have more government by crisis. So far there are more armed Constitutional Americans than people on the government payroll. They're from the government and they're here to help US.

Squalene, although implicated in arthritic autoimmune Gulf War Syndrome, is produced by the liver and used in cosmetics and healthfood capsules, as the wikipedia link in the post says. Squalene dosage levels do matter and competent vaccinologists know this, although having no corporate liability creates more moral hazard than the banks had.

Of slightly more concern is the recently confirmed link between mercury containing Thimerosal and epidemics in autism and autoimmune disorders, with the use of aluminum compounds linked with Alzheimers as adjuvants to increase immune response and reduce costs and time. The head of Merck Research warned of the mercury risk as far back as 1991 but offical denials led to nothing being done for a very long time while autism, birth defects and Gulf War Syndrome increased, possibly due to vaccinations, pesticides and depleted uranium. Thimerosal has been reduced or replaced, and there may be a 2009 H1N1 vaccine without it. Might as well remove mercury amalgam fillings, which are considered safe by the American Dental Association at levels higher than EPA limits.

Fact: Rushed and undertested 1976 pandemic fear flu vaccines killed more people with paralyzing Guillain-Barré Syndrome than the one Fort Dix soldier who died from the flu. Disabling lethal innoculations bankrupted every vaccine maker with liabilities. They made Ford a one-term President. Yellow Whip Inflation Now buttons and calling Poland free while debating Jimmy Carter in San Francisco did not help.

The biggest red flag on vaccines was waved by the late head of Merck Research.

Before he died, famed respected Dr Maurice Hilleman went public on PBS confessing vaccines spread HIV and other simian viruses like the cancer-causing SV40 in Salk Polio Vaccine. The viral contamination came from harvested infected kidneys of wild African Green Lab Monkeys sacrificed to make vaccines for the population. His admission was deleted before broadcast. 9:57

No wonder Pharm companies bought indemnity from Congress.

So what's a person to do this fall?

Let's employ some simple practical stop losses.

First we realize that even if the H1N1 vaccine isn't a deliberate bioweapon, unlike ordinary seasonal influenza, which kills up to 500,000 a year worldwide, H1N1 survival odds favor not being innoculated for H1N1 and staying out of contagious camps or crowds.

H1N1 vaccine side effects may kill more people than the flu itself.

Unlike regular flu, if we are an extremely healthy young adult aged 20 to 40, with a strong immune system, we may be most at risk for H1N1.

The lethal H1N1 Spanish Flu in WWI killed via immune response cytokine storm pneumonias drowning the patient in their own fluids, sometimes within hours.

The worst cases then were sent to hospitals fieldcamps where the virus spread. So stay out of H1N1 camps, crowded doctor's offices and hospitals. Healthcare costs may fall faster than 0Care.

Second, the swine flu, whether mutated or weaponized, is contagious, often times without symptoms. The avian flu, like the Hong Kong flu during WWII which claimed 69,000 lives, and the more recent SARS, which killed 800 people in 2003-4 and disappeared after millions of chickens and pigs were sacrificed for no scientific reason, were both lethal but not pandemic. More people died of annual seasonal flu: 500,000.

The H1N1 Spanish Flu with 70 million combatants in WWI was more contagious and lethal, with a third of the world's population infected and up to 100 Million dying. The second Spanish swine flu wave the second season was far more lethal. The flu may have even won the war for the Allies by decimating Axis forces first.

The interesting news ofr conspiracy theorists is that the actual WWI Spanish Swine Flu H1N1 virus was frozen and preserved until few had natural immunity. Small pox samples have similar risk for biowarfare, the elephant in the room.

Third, H1N1 may be contagious even without symptoms.

Then our best prophylactic is to take Vitamin D and use internet and telephones to avoid most people during flu season, particularly on airplanes, boats, buses and trains.

Then there is personal hygiene. As the President said, let's cough or sneeze into our elbow or sleeve. Kids do that naturally.

The habit of coughing or sneezing into our elbow is actually considerate and constructive.

Face masks may or may not help, since H1N1 virus in aerosol coughs or sneezes may be smaller than the weave and most face masks do not fit tight.

Let's wash hands, face and clothes after coming in contact with cars, door knobs, envelopes keyboards, railings, telephones, or whatever people touch. Art Bell couldn't figure out why he was getting the flu out in the high desert until a caller asked him if he read his mail.

Antiviral disinfectants or specific soaps may work, suggesting some stock ideas to offset the depressionary economic effects of H1N1.

Above all, let's avoid emergency rooms, hospitals, camps, colleges or schools where H1NI can spread like wildfire.

The latest research found prescription Tamiflu and Relenza did not prevent H1NI flu. They reduce symptoms 24 to 48 hours. They may have side effects including diarrhea, insomnia, nausea, nightmares, respiratory collapse and vomiting.

An current Oxford University British Medical Journal study advised against their use in children because side effects outweighed benefits.

Tamiflu royalties with Roche benefited former Gilead Science CEO shareholder Donald Rumsfeld. Instead of selling GILD tax-free, Defense Secretary claimed massive DOD Tamiflu transactions were arms length.

There are so many inaccurate statistics and so much misinformation in mass media that buyer beware and common sense are the best overall prescriptions for Swine Flu 2009.

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Anonymous's picture

that's good soap.

we like adding a bit of fennel to ours (and our toothpaste).
fennel's is a mad crazy anti-bacterial agent. plus, it's tastes & smells yummy and can be made into a mean absinthe.

we like to stay away from corporate commercially-made 'antibacterial' soaps, as we believe that they actually help make viruses mutate that much faster.

probiotics (yogurt, kombucha, etc) are great too, but a lot of people can't dig the taste, but that's mostly because the store-bought ones taste like urine most the time. best to make your own.

we believe that this possible epidemic is a grand test for the america that many of us would like to see:

radical self-reliance mixed w/ true grassroots community information sharing.

this evolution will not be televised and most certainly will not come from the top down.

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PM dude; your posts are gaining some traction; you're on the front page, near the top on Infowars.