Centrist Think Tank Conducts Study, Finds US Default "Could" Push Country Into Recession

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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:33 | 1272841 bankrupt JPM bu...
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when did they get out of depression?



Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:50 | 1272939 anonymous_user_...
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Is this a joke?  The stock mkt would gingerly lose 6% over a three month period if the US defaulted?  Uh, yeah, I'll take the under on that.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:08 | 1273003 6 String
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In the 90s the stock market went up when the U.S. defaulted. Stupid, eh? You just gotta love arbitrary numbers pulled out of a hat too: 6%, 640,000 jobs plus 1, etc.

But, sure, why not? No one is going to be afraid to EVER own stocks again since 1% declines are not allowed, 6% is off the fucking table.

What a circus show.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:40 | 1273071 Landrew
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I don't believe the U.S. Treasury ever defaulted. If you mean the government shutdown yes. However during that time all debts were paid. New debt was issued. The debt ceiling has never failed to be raised.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 18:12 | 1273150 Popo
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So...I'm trying to understand the think tank's position... If we stop borrowing from ourselves, we're in danger of running out of play-money. Did I get that right?

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 19:47 | 1273330 eatthebanksters
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Sat, 05/14/2011 - 06:23 | 1273945 onthesquare
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Most people are forgetting the money the government saved in killling Bin Laden; His $25 million bounty.

He was killed by an American soldier so there is no pay off. The governmnet has an extra $25 million.

With saving like these the defishit will be gone in no time.

Happy daze.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 13:37 | 1274408 A Nanny Moose
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Spend billions, to find a guy, to kill him to save $25 million. Looking back, even $100 million bounty would have been a bargain.

Still, it begs the question, as to why nobody ever came to knocking on OBL's door to collect?

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 15:17 | 1274518 Cleanclog
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1 US soldier in Afghanistan for 1 year =$1.2 million in US expense ($300-400,000 in costs associated with energy to get soldier there, move around, feed and eat).  How many soldiers, how many years?  That doesn't include the fake 9/11 response in Iraq.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 23:04 | 1273670 jeff montanye
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like the 6% decline, the 50 basis point yield backup seems "conservative".

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 20:09 | 1273372 anonymous_user_...
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Agreed, the U.S. didn't default in the 90's. If you want to see what happens to an equity market when a sovereign defaults, look at Russia in 1998.


I think the US market would be down more like 60%-80% than 6%.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 21:09 | 1273481 weinerdog43
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"Centrist" think tank is bullshit.  This is a neo liberal goof ball organization that thinks offshoring is great and the war in iraq/afghan/libya, etc... is great.  It is not 'Centrist' unless you think the Fed is fantastic.  Screw this report.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 11:48 | 1274267 Popo
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And Russia is a great example of how *not* fucked a country can be after defaulting.   A couple years later they were kicking ass.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1273462 Milestones
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By chance is the author's name Henney Penney??     Milestones

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:12 | 1273017 camaro68ss
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This is bullish then right? Should i buy Netflix now?

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:41 | 1273074 bankrupt JPM bu...
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AMZN puts up the ying yang over here.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:54 | 1272959 jus_lite_reading
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"Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes."

OHHH SHIIIIT! TPTB have lost control!!!


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:05 | 1272993 ursus.peracto
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Damn. I knew I should have kept those Claymores hanging around for a rainy day!

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 20:35 | 1273426 cossack55
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There are some nice "perimeter defense" items for sale on the net using trip wires and 12 gauge rounds. They send you a blank with the device. I guess you can reload with sabot or ooBK.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 07:55 | 1273991 ColonelCooper
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You gotta link for that?

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 12:17 | 1274303 serotonindumptruck
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I purchased a couple of these back in the mid-'90's. They are simple, yet highly effective devices.



Sat, 05/14/2011 - 13:20 | 1274383 ColonelCooper
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Thank you.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 19:56 | 1273350 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Equipment check.. The time to lock & load draws nearer by the day..

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 19:57 | 1273359 Coldfire
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The ruling is a consistent extension of the 20th century erosion of the Fourth Amendment (cf. the faux "War on Drugs"), but it clearly violates the Fourth Amendment proper. It will be overturned, if appealed, on the dissent's basis.


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 22:59 | 1273666 jeff montanye
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imo you are an optimist; i hope you're right.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 20:37 | 1273430 cossack55
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Another reason to "Vote for Mitch in 2012".  Little sawed-off shithead.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 05:07 | 1273912 Urban Redneck
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The legislature can return the right to the people, bitch slap the justices, and corner the governor in a single move.  Will the people demand action by their legislators?   

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 23:21 | 1273700 trav7777
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this is odd because the SCOTUS has ruled that there is a right to resist unlawful arrest, even by deadly force.  Several state courts have so ruled as well.

This notion that you can just arbitrate all this crap post-facto through the courts is bullshit.  The police will fucking lie their asses clean off

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 06:36 | 1273950 onthesquare
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a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence

The cop is breaking the law ergo "unlawful"

When is a cop not a cop? When he/she breaks the law.

Your actions to defend are against public policy; POLICY has no place in a court. Courts only look at written law and maybe regulations. Policy is not passed by governments.

Actually this is more of a statement against cops and their past practice of planting evidence to support their actions.

Or I watch too much TV.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 08:05 | 1274004 ColonelCooper
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Just one more little nitpicking, back of the neck hair tweaking, grab you by the left nut and give a quick squeeze just to make sure you know who's really in charge, infringement of personal property rights. 

One puff of wind on a smoldering fire.

It is little events like this that are going to result in this entire country going up in flames.  Someday, the wrong fucking guy is going to get pushed just a little too far, and a city block or two is going to look like Beirut.

Keep fucking pushing.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 12:27 | 1274311 serotonindumptruck
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Only when that guy has nothing left to lose except his life. There may be quite a few of these people already.

BTW, I recommend a high-power/magnum rifle for such endeavors. Virtually all body armor is useless against such muzzle velocity.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 18:51 | 1273228 NOTW777
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i think this was written by timmy

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:33 | 1272851 Silver Bug
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Could push the US into a recession?? what is this nonsense hah, we are already in a depression!



Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:35 | 1272862 TheTmfreak
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So that means we should celebrate because our situation would IMPROVE!

Go ahead and default then woooooo!!!

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:51 | 1272943 Sudden Debt
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TO  BOLDLY GO WHERE.... so many others have gone before....



Fri, 05/13/2011 - 19:25 | 1273292 magpie
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There is only one rule, to default first is to default best.

(Motto on the new Drachma Notes)

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:37 | 1272869 wandstrasse
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statement during the Titanic sinking process: If the Titanic sinks, the clothes of some passengers could get wet.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:04 | 1272990 White.Star.Line
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This could very close to the sinking of 1912.
You either came out of it a bit wet, or drowned.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 20:39 | 1273429 Mec-sick-o
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Please restrain from wearing wool.  Prewashed cotton only.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:59 | 1272979 Thomas
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I bet rocket surgeons don't come cheap.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:36 | 1272852 King_of_simpletons
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"Defaulting on our debt is not an abstract idea that might affect a few institutions on Wall Street; it would harm tens of millions of Americans in profound and lasting ways," the report says.


What tens of millions are we talking about here ... ? Tens of millions of Americans are already in the shitter....


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:06 | 1272997 ursus.peracto
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If the disease won't kill you, the cure probably will.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 21:05 | 1273465 Mec-sick-o
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The other tens of millions...

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:36 | 1272854 Atch Logan
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WTF,I thought we were already in Recession???

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:55 | 1272965 Keri at Bankste...
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No, no, no.  Blinder told us last year he "ended the recession," and that is why we need QE3 right away.


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:34 | 1272856 Dr. Engali
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And the world will blow up and we all will be dead.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:37 | 1272857 NOTW777
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ha - raise the debt ceiling or we'll start bombing

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:06 | 1273005 ursus.peracto
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We could nuke ourselves. That could be bullish.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 18:15 | 1273156 docj
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Yea - that's a tad more subtle that "Raise the debt limit or we start skinning puppies on live network television", but same sentiment, really.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:35 | 1272863 clymer
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redtube? he was getting that kind of bandwidth in a cave in Pakistan?

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