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Charting 60 Years Of Defense Spending, And Why The Mean Reversion Will Cost Millions Of Jobs

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Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:52 | 1468266 Audacity17
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Where is the per-capita chart??

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:54 | 1468273 mynhair
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Don't say 'cap' when talking defense.  The Libs like it.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:55 | 1468276 Audacity17
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Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:09 | 1468324 knukles
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Oh, pshaw.... say cap as many times and as fast around the libs as you can.  Once they fixate on the "cap" portion of the discussions (and they will, just like girls and shiny stuff) do a Bugs Bunny and slip in education, agriculture, green energy, taxes, whatever your little heart desires.....
It works absolute wonders.  Agree with 'em, get 'em going full tilt, light speed and then invoke principle.  They go apoplectic, like an epileptic having a seizure on a deck chair tryin' to imitate the Transformers.
To wit: One of my Uber-Liberal governmental employee golf buds (and I do mean that even by California standards...Jeeesssshhh) thinks that having business's boards of directors setting their own company bosses salaries is a conflict of interest which is why the biggliewiggliepigglies is paid so much.
I told him I agreed.
I thought he and I were gonna windup mating right there in the bunker just to the right of the first green. 
Until I pointed out that the same conflict of course applies to governmental employees and.... holy Jesus H Christ on a Crutch.  Principles don't matter with a lotta folks (of either political persuasion) so say cap a whole bunch.  Or immigration. Or penalty. Or equality.  Or justice... now there's one bein' worn to death. 

And what's great's as soon as the rest of the world figures out what the shorthand is for, then the PC doctrine has to find yet another term to abuse.

English for Dummies.


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 20:08 | 1468488 Cheesy Bastard
Mon, 07/18/2011 - 20:18 | 1468515 sun tzu
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We need a 10% across the board cut in all departments. There are too many paper shufflers and lawyers working for the goobermint.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:01 | 1468827 chemystical
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Acording to a Congressman who appeared on C-SPAN a few months ago, the DOD's Acquisitions department has 6000 attorneys.


A search ofthe Net could not confirm that, but considering that lawyers comprised 10% of their last several hiring sprees since 2008, I don't doubt the Congressman.

DOD has 700,000 civilian employees now.  Acquisitions alone has around 150,000.

If we still routinely pay for every cost overrun despite that the overruns violate the contracts, and if we still pay for several new incarnations of the $2500 toilet seat, then why do we need 6000 lawyers to write and read and interpret contracts?  For that matter, why do we need what have to be 15,000 assistant managers to the undersecretary assistant directors whose sole job is to enforce the contracts?


Reminds me of the joke about "What do you call a bus with 50 lawyers heading over a cliff?"  A good start. 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:35 | 1468919 Ying-Yang
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Should the defence budget be steeply cut the unemployed soldiers and private contractors can be hired guns for the elite. Oh wait they are now nevermind.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 23:35 | 1469059 TaxSlave
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We need a 10% across the board cut in all departments.

Cut?  That means less increase, right?

10% raise instead of 20% raise = 10% cut.

I guess this is what 'pays for' the Tax Breaks For The Rich.


Tue, 07/19/2011 - 07:59 | 1469519 boooyaaaah
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Dwight on the military industrial complex


A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

  • and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.


Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:52 | 1468268 mynhair
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Is Zandi's fingerprints on it?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:53 | 1468271 Cleanclog
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Look at the years of the ramp up.  Will the mean reversion be called the "W" in honor of George W who authorized all that spending, mostly on war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9-11?  

Or shall we just call it a "Raw" Deal.  Raw being war spelled backwards as we means revert.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:57 | 1468285 mynhair
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It means be prepared to live Red Dawn.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:06 | 1468846 theopco
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That would fit about right in with your level of rationality, wouldn't it.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 20:23 | 1468526 sun tzu
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Pelosi and Reid were in charge of Congress beginning Jan 2007 and the spending continued straight up and didn't even slow after 0bama was elected. Now we're involved in a third war. I have to blame both sides for the insanity. The Iraq War by itself didn't cause the ramp in war spending. 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 21:06 | 1468671 papaswamp
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5...operations in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:56 | 1468278 boricuadigm-shift
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These companies will just have to move their business overseas! :-)  Bull defense Russia & China!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:16 | 1468871 max2205
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Say goodbye to the DC housing market

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:56 | 1468279 High Plains Drifter
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you watch what happens. they will go across the pond and start doing business with the chinks........

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:23 | 1468358 Cleanclog
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We call the Pacific the pond now too?  Figured it should have a different name, being much bigger than the Atlantic and all.  Lake? Loch? Sea?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 20:35 | 1468530 Ropingdown
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Defense elements sold to the Chinese has already begun.  When Michael Schwarz, as CEO of Raytheon, couldn't get permission to sell missile guidance technology to the Chinese due to its obvious military uses, he gave the National Democratic Committee 1 million.  And Clinton gave him the export permit.  Simple.  Makes you glad you fought a supposedly-American war.  The game has been too clear for 20 years:  "All this patriotic stuff is great guys, but we in corporate America need growth and better margins.  So we're going start investing in China, and we're going to sell the stuff in America, and you guys are going to defend us to make sure the Chinese don't just take our stuff, right?  You're patriotic young men and women, aren't you?"  Pre-chinese Wilson ProStaff tennis racquet? $189.  Made in China Wilson ProStaff tennis racquet?  $189.  Get the picture, consumers?  Soldiers?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:20 | 1468882 chemystical
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Let's not forget Bernard Schwartz at Loral Air and Space.  The export application to use a chinese rocket to launch highly sensitive tech into satellite was denied by DOD and DOS and NSA, so Willie shopped it to Ron Brown over at the DOC.  Brown rubber-stamped the fraud.  The technology magically disappeared when the satellite's rocket magically failed to lift off and magically exploded.  Then the People's Army cordoned off the area and refused to allow anyone to examine it, saying, "Take our word for it.  The tech was destroyed and there's not a shred of it remaining.  (wink wink)."


Brown later got a bullet to his skull while flying in the middle of the night in a severe thunderstorm and aboard the only plane in the fleet that lacked proper nav equipment and a black box.  The 1st responders (Red Cross?) stated on CNN that they found were survivors, and then a few minutes later said, "Oops.  We meant there were no survivors."  Then the air traffic controller decided to commit suicide.


Schwarz & Schwartz.  Go figure.  Same tribe who stole and sold other tech to China.  Anyone remember the real Wedtech story?  The murder of the invistigative journalist?  (Danny Callasaro or something like that).  Magic Lantern?  Echelon?   With allies like that...who needs enemies?  Good thing the new US Amb to ISR has stated on the record that ISR is his highest priority and that his boss Obama told him so.  Nevermind making the USA your - putative employer - your highest priority.  Soulless pieces of shit spawned from and for that "shitty little country".

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 23:35 | 1469057 bakken
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You are forgeting the sale of nuclear sub technology, silent propellor manufacture, that the Israelis stole from us and sold to Japan(Toshiba) which company accidently sold machine tools to the USSR.  We should have nuked Israel back then.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:57 | 1468280 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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All that defensive spending didn't amount to a hill of beans on 9/11... oh wait, yes it did, it was executed to 'perfection' (well good enough for the average U.S. joe to fall for that evil piece of theater hook, line and sinker, and without question)... go team!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:59 | 1468289 mynhair
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We are talking about the wars against poverty, drugs, obesity, right?

If only that much had been spent on a war against Liberal stupidity.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:12 | 1468326 Bob
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Hey, cunthair, they got you driving the clown bus on afternoon shift again this week?

Ya really need to lay off the drugs--when you're at work, at least. 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:30 | 1468378 mynhair
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We won the war against poverty to the tune of $10 trillion?  Damn MSLSD, they never mentioned it.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:15 | 1468866 karzai_luver
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hair you idiot

we are fighting a Defense of Poverty,drugs,obesity,right?


You fuckwads are all alike.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:56 | 1468971 theopco
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shut up cunthair.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:57 | 1468287 Audacity17
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But didn't Obama say spending was stimulus?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 18:59 | 1468291 mynhair
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Only when it goes to ACORN.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:15 | 1468335 knukles
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I do so love it When the libs start a junkin'.  Just think, maybe even gettin..... mad. 
Plain downright pissed off.

Keep up the good work.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:21 | 1468350 Bob
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Sometimes you can get a real hearty divide-and-conquer riot goin' on in the boyzroom!  Impressive, albeit ignant. 

Most of the time you get put into place, however.  Let's see all the little pee-pees out!  Ready . . . set . . . piss away!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:31 | 1468382 mynhair
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Got a timeline on when you move out of your parent's basement?

Or when you can apply for a GED?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:54 | 1468445 knukles
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See they've started, junkin' up a storm.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 08:25 | 1469551 snowball777
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His Herr (Hitler) can't play...Granny got him "fixed" where he wasn't broke (now if only they could do something about the brain-damage from when he was playing in the street for too long).

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:35 | 1468902 chemystical
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...and Pelosi said that unemployment checks are the fastest way to stimulate the economy. 



Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:34 | 1468905 chemystical
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...and Pelosi said that unemployment checks are the fastest way to stimulate the economy. 


Paraphrased: unemployment creates job.  Right Nancy, and war is peace. 


Didn't she also say that every dollar in unemployment checks adds two dollars to the GDP?


If we all quit our jobs, the country will be in the black in no time.  Wish she and the other 535 would go first.  Then tack on another 9 from SCOTUS, and then Biden and then the Soulless Dicksucker-in-Chief.



Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:00 | 1468292 Manzilla
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Let's name it BO. If we are gonna whine about Bush than we should whine about Obama as well. Gotta love a guy that gets voted into office promising not to be like Bush but than ends up continuing everything he started. Ahhhh the hypocracy.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:19 | 1468879 karzai_luver
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Nobody could possibly believe he would be different.


This obama - bush you all speak of could just as well be muppets.

They only get "options" provided by your rulers.

party on buttcracks



Mon, 07/18/2011 - 22:38 | 1468926 chemystical
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In 2012, of the voters who voted for Barry to prove that they weren't racists....how many will vote against him to prove they aren't idiots?


Neverending War For Everlasting Peace. 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:01 | 1468294 Rainman
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Defense contractors have been planning on a 30% cut in USA defense biz since ODrama won the election. They'll cultivate more overseas biz. The merchants of destruction don't much care about the humans on the receiving end of their products so long as it ain't them.....and oil profits have gotta' go somewhere.

Maniacs especially love expensive boom-boom toys.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 21:10 | 1468681 papaswamp
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Hey O closed the biggest overseas defense contract in US history...give him credit where credit is due. That peace prize was good fro something..peace through superior firepower.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:01 | 1468295 ZackAttack
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Ridiculous to have a gold-plated $400b fighter program when the Banker Party and the Other Banker Party are pompously debating whether grandma gets private label cat food or not.

Has anyone asked the military if they could manage to make do with, you know, 800 of them instead of 2500? And of course all those F-16s, FA-18s we already have.

What exactly are we defending Japan against, again?

After NATO finishes demonstrating its military mastery in the killing dunes of Libya, maybe they can take over holding back the red menace at the Fulda gap.


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:07 | 1468318 Bobbyrib
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Maybe Grandma should get rid of her cat(s).

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:27 | 1468370 mynhair
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Byte me, ya hater.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 08:27 | 1469555 snowball777
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And get rabies? Or do you just froth at the mouth naturally?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:53 | 1468442 spdrdr
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Absolutely.  Science is yet to breed out the proclivity of cats eating their owners following their demise.  They start with the eyes, and work outwards.

Evil bastards.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:21 | 1468348 knukles
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We're supposed to be defending against climate change... you know and it's direct results like tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricane, typhoons, rain, heat, drought, cold, and the like
And just like the dumocraps stimuli, ain't worked yet worth a fuck cause we didn't enuf, yet.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 19:25 | 1468365 TaxSlave
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We're fulfilling our Manifest Destiny, and that takes a lot of blowin' stuff up.

Think of all the poor window businesses that will suffer when we stop breaking all those windows.

And the undertakers!  What will they do?  Their children will go hungry!

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