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China Approves Fund That Will Invest In Foreign Gold ETFs, Opening Avenue For Millions Of Mainland Investors

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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:29 | 765421 midtowng
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At the end of October the I.M.F. had 32.7 tonnes of gold left to be sold. In September they sold 32 tonnes of gold and in October 19.5 tonnes, in the open market. Should they continue selling at the pace of September then we would expect to hear the announcement in December and probably in the first half of December. If they continued the slower pace of selling of October then we will have to wait until January 2011 for the announcement. We believe that this is significant because it will signal the real end of "Official" selling of gold. The signatories of the Central Bank Gold Agreement, with the exception of small deals in coins have not sold for over a year now. With the completion of the I.M.F. sales the annual 400 tonnes of 'official' selling will not be available to the market.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:42 | 765491 Quinvarius
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The IMF has stopped selling because the central banks are going to run gold to the moon to balance out the debts of gold holding countries.  The fix is on.  But it is the opposite of the preious fix.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:01 | 765583 dlmaniac
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I hope they are not rushing to the fraudulent GLD. Send them straight to CRIMEX. We could use some more squeeze to bust the manipulation.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:37 | 767237 Captain Courageous
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So is the fix of a fix still a fix....???



Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:30 | 765429 cossack55
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Do you think the CSRC downloads roundeye, large-breasted women in all kinds of kinky activities all day while at work too?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:30 | 765430 Ragnarok
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No that's what I call expanding your market.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:50 | 765530 MeTarzanUjane
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A direct hit to the USD by a binary drone.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:06 | 765604 Turd Ferguson
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More like a direct hit to the Death Star and the Evil Empire.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 01:08 | 767028 Bob Sponge
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Can other Chinese PM funds be far behind this gold fund?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:30 | 765432 ThreeTrees
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If China is a bubble and this just opened the world up to pent-up demand from the Chinese, just what kind of leverage has been applied to these RMB now chasing gold and what will happen to that demand once the Chinese bubble pops and begins to deflate?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:30 | 765435 Raynja
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Happy holidays with this gift

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:35 | 765458 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That rumbling sound is the stomach of Chinese paper chasers.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:37 | 765467 Gubbmint Cheese
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fook me..

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:38 | 765473 OutLookingIn
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 Just what the world needs - another gold ETF paper derivative!

Good! Let the paper flow! Crank it up! Eventually to blow up!

Owning the real physical thing is looking better all the time!

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:54 | 765827 chinaguy
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Uh huh, & especially one backed by the full faith of the "China Securities Regulatory Commission "  What a disaster in the making .

Heck, I want a 3X of that sucker.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:41 | 765486 redpill
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You can't eat gold, but if desperate enough, you could eat frothy ChiComs

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:52 | 765539 Windemup
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Emmmm. Stir fry.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:43 | 765493 RobotTrader
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So far, the Cartel has successfully capped GLD and NEM gains today to a paltry 1.5%.

Looks like they one the battle again. 

If only NEM traded as successfully as NFLX......


Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:47 | 765516 tmosley
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They "one" the battle?

What is wrong with you?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 19:42 | 766278 Arius
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freudian slip - even he can't say "won" and it is just "one" deep inside he knows tomorrow will be different...

TSA aka "The Smart Ass"

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:54 | 765549 DarkMath
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Robot, you're not allowed to comment on any Gold stories since the price went above 1380...again. Oh and you're not allowed to comment on any Oil stories since the price went above 84...again.

And one other thing you can't vilify Robert Prechter and then agree with him at the same time. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Tue, 11/30/2010 - 19:45 | 766290 Arius
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why not?  Gartman has been making the wrong calls on gold from 300 all the way up to 1300 and he still is on CNBS...robo can at least have an audience here - it gets boring if all agree...you need a punching bag...

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 22:01 | 766592 Kyron95131
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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 22:27 | 766641 dark pools of soros
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he can if he goes back to posting more boobies

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:20 | 765658 tallystick
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I suppose that's the same definition of success you use trading your own account?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:44 | 765499 cougar_w
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This sounds to me like the Chinese trying to divert money out of other bubbles (comm and res real estate) and into a new one (gold paper) just in time for a crash in the former. That puts them about 2 years behind the US in Standard Bubble Time. Note that they can easily destroy hot money in their own economy by nuking gold paper holders at will.

It's a trap.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:49 | 765514 DarkMath
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GLD isn't an ETF but a paper vehicle used to suppress the Gold price. You could drive a truck through the custodial agreements. GLD is for chumps. GLD is the only Gold ETF that trades at a discount to the actual Gold price. Why is that? It's because the market doesn't believe it's has unencumbered Gold.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:47 | 765515 Jason T
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They earned it.  The pay people to work in China, we pay people not to work in America.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 22:29 | 766649 dark pools of soros
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as long as americans don't save, they'll still get thier free money..  it is just a wealth transfer from the future to the McDonald's, Gallo Wine, etc companies today...



Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:47 | 765517 Temporalist
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Why Eric Sprott sees silver as the next big investing windfall

"How high will gold go?

I think gold is the reserve currency today. There is not a currency in the world that it hasn’t appreciated against by at least 300 per cent. And it has beaten every stock market. You can’t even rent a safety deposit box in Germany because they are all full of gold and silver … I am pretty convinced that gold will go a lot higher because it is under-owned as only 1 per cent of people’s money is in it. It could go to $2,000 an ounce. I could imagine it at $5,000. I am not giving a time frame on that, but I could certainly see that happening. But the real story now is silver.

Why are you more bullish on that metal?

Gold has traded at a ratio of 16-to-1 to silver in terms of price, but today it trades in the range of 50 to 1. I think the gold-to-silver ratio is going to go back to 16 to 1 given the passage of time, say three to five years. And I bet you that silver overshoots. The gold-to-silver ratio may even get down to 10 to 1. I believe that the price of silver has been suppressed."


Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:30 | 765707 Blindweb
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While I am heavily overweighted in silver, I do worry about the price if we have an energy crisis and industrial demand collapses.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 18:03 | 765883 DosZap
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60/40 bro............

Gold goes up stairs and comes down the elevator.

Silver goes up the elevator, and falls out a window.

Personally, if your in a price position, I would sell some slvr, and buy Gold.

If your really upside down.Silver(even in this climate ) could drop back to 12-$16, in a nano second.

Gold also (can drop quickly) ,but nowhere near as  volatile as Slvr.

Remember Gold IS Money.(not considered a Commodity by people who know).

Banks do not hold Silver(damn sure should though).

Of course with the globe now running scared, who knows what will happen to its prices.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 22:35 | 766662 dark pools of soros
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you might be right..   its around 9 bars of silver for 5 grams of gold..  I might need to convert some or atleast see how the local dealers react to it..

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:50 | 765528 Windemup
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Wait a minute. With 2 billion Chinese, there isn't enough gold to go around. Stop Stop. Don't do it.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:54 | 765548 MeTarzanUjane
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The golden elevator bitchez.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:50 | 765529 ShankyS
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As Cramer screams, "sell, sell, sell" which will be followed by a GS lowering of target price.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:50 | 765531 apberusdisvet
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Read this news last night; no mention in MSM but of course no gold bull news is allowed by the propagandists.  Some of you think this is a head fake, but I see it more as an alternative to move people off the soon to pop real estate bubble.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:52 | 765533 MsCreant
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The Chinese need a way to bring the price of gold down, too. They sell gold they don't have into the system via paper, and they too can be lying, thieving, cheats, and buy physical gold at depressed prices. If I was right about this, this would be mid-term scroomage on the price of gold.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:57 | 765561 DarkMath
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Very good point. China could be doing what we did with GLD: siphon off demand and keep the price down.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:52 | 765544 MarketTruth
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In China investors can literally walk into banks and buy PHYSICAL gold. Not just one or two banks mind you, MANY banks sell physical gold.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:58 | 765565 MeTarzanUjane
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Exlent point. So why the fuck would they buy some American ETF paper promise?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:17 | 765648 Temporalist
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Perhaps they'd pump the price up to some ridiculous amount, using worthless dollars, then watch it crash because they can't possibly be holding what they claim.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:23 | 765674 Ace Ventura
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Don't think they're buying American ETF paper....but rather Chinese ETF paper. No actual difference in what you are actually getting mind you, but it's all about perception these days.

As someone here already posted, this is likely another gold-price-suppression method. China would certainly prefer to keep growing its gold reserves at non-rocketing prices.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:01 | 765569 cougar_w
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Or they keep the gold and sell physical tungsten. It's a control state, who would you complain to?

"Yes sir, that is indeed gold-plated tungsten. You are very clever! We will inform your next of kin how very clever you were."

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:14 | 765634 SilverRhino
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I'll leave it to the Chinese to be the first ones to develop the gold-tungsten panda bullion round.   Won't take long with all that hot $$ flowing around in there.


Tue, 11/30/2010 - 18:06 | 765904 DosZap
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Newsflash, they already have, not the Panda but other countries.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:28 | 765692 New_Meat
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"... We will inform your next of kin how very clever you were."

"Oh, and we have prepared your invoice, please sign here, you will be billed for one bullet."

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 17:42 | 765766 OutLookingIn
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Not only just banks!

The government have opened small boutique style stores all over China, selling nothing but gold and silver bullion,coins,trinkets, jewellery, etc.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 19:07 | 766161 Wu Qi Ming
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In China investors can literally walk into banks and buy PHYSICAL gold. Not just one or two banks mind you, MANY banks sell physical gold.

While that's true as well as being numerous Gold shops selling physical bullion too, this is a bit of a no news story to me. For at least 2 years Gold and Silver ETF's have traded at the 4 primary banks (Bank of China, China Construction, Industrial & Commercial and Agricultural Banks). It can all be bought and sold from the comfort of your computer desk with mouse clicks. What's more is that it can be traded in both $US and/ or RMB. Thats been some juicy arbitrage.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 16:59 | 765571 Guillotines And...
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Today is my birthday! So what! Buy real gold and silver before they stop makin' the stuff out of paper (ETFs).

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