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China Blocks All Mainland Google Access As Pissing Contest Escalates
Earlier we highlighted a very sternly worded anti-US essay on the front page of the primary communist party daily. Some thought it was merely yet more posturing. Alas, they may have been very wrong. Associated Press reports that Google has now been completely blocked from mainland China access, with few if any details coming from Google itself, meaning this was another unilateral muscle flexing exercise by China. However, as far as Google is concerned, and judging by BIDU stock after hours, it may well be game over for the great Chinese decoupling experiment.
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — Google says people in mainland China are being blocked from using its Internet search engine.
The company posted a Thursday notice about the new barrier without any other details. A Google spokesman in the U.S. says he is still trying to gather information about the situation in China.
It's the latest twist in a high-profile showdown over Internet censorship pitting Google against China's communist government.
Google risked having its search engine cut off from the world's most populous country because it was no longer willing to let China's government control its search results. The two sides had appeared to reach a truce three weeks ago when China renewed Google's Internet license there.
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nixon should have left them alone
Don't know why you got junked. Funny!
Agreed! Nixon might have awakened the sleeping giant.
FYI, this is total BS:
"Google risked having its search engine cut off from the world's most populous country because it was no longer willing to let China's government control its search results."
Google, like other large tech companies, ISPs, etc, work very closely with Government agencies (both local and foreign) and have no qualm about doing undemocratic things:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07/exclusive-google-cia/
Large international companies like Google are in business to make money and don't give a damn about democracy and freedom. Google is mad at China because they can't make money there, not because of some censorship rule.
This should be the motto of every business school in the US:
*** Non-Chinese firms cannot make money in China ***
Spot on!
It's far easier for Google to buy favors in the US. Google was one of the top contributors to Obama's presidential campaign, which probably did a lot in making that link of yours to the Wired article a sure reality.
Remember the battle between librarians and Google, too, over out-of-print books? Bad Google.
Tensions are rising everywhere. Riots in Greece, Europe, WTO, India. Japanese tankers being struck by earthquakes.
Something will give. Expecting parties to act "rationally" to keep the peace will prove to be illusory.
Something go ka-boom!!
"Someday the bucket-a-go drop out"
All that tension will make Katla erupt.
+1
"It's the latest twist in a high-profile showdown over Internet censorship pitting Google against China's communist government."
Whaaa? Communist?...LOL.
It's more like Google is losing in China and keeps crying up excuses to pull the plug and finally China said enough. How can a company expect to do well in a place they keep threatening to pull out of? Remember when they blamed China for a cyber attack? Google is like, you guys suck! And China is like, oh yeah, you're done. Sour grapes back at you!
I break it down into simpler terms.
Fascists don't like communists and vice versa.
Which is which??
Of course not -- they are on the same side, competing for the same people.
"Censorship" as per the US media, trumpetting the US's public positioning (aka propaganda) with respect to China's concerns over Google.
For example, as a further chapter in the continuing government/Google marriage of convenience (dating to Googles' inception through acceptance of the Internet Protocol Layer in exchange for the disappearance of DoJ anti-trust actions) it was recently announced that Google Ventures recently invested $10MM along side of In-Q-Tel, the CIA's "investment" arm, in an operation called "Recorded Future." Recorded's product is described as one of the most extensive, all encompassing search programs designed to monitor and analyze for patterns of behavior all e-mail, instant messaging, social affinity activities as well as track to user level all Internet experiences, ever devised. Indeed, a powerful mechanism to discern without permission or warrant, internet activities.
Interestingly, Google represents the largest the preponderance of all global Internet based activities.
Consequently, would it not seem at least somewhat obvious that China as well as other nations may well not welcome Googles' "public" access to it's citizenry's and institutions' Internet activities when the same platform is in turn being utilized, mined by the US's intelligence agencies?
Wired has run a detailed article on this activity. Well worth reading for anyone the least interested in the topic.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/07/exclusive-google-cia/
knuckles - great link. Thanks
Good point.
Google is doin some splainin regarding their Google Mapping program in the US where they "innocently" picked up on open WiFi. Now how did this happen without foresight ;-)
In some of the images, in the early morning or late afternoon hours, you can actually see the shadow of their vehicle with it's array of antenna. Looks like something from WWII Nazi France cruising through the neighborhoods...LOL.
"Looks like something from WWII Nazi France cruising through the neighborhoods..."
Perhaps far too much foreshadow for comfort, for some might, not without reason, claim a private sector entity is simply fulfilling a governmental chore. Perhaps not unlike the magnitude of military and intelligence operations outsourced in the middle eastern conflicts. Interesting spin on plausible deniability. Hadn't thought of that angle in spite of knowledge of the close relationship.
Food for thought.
And upon reflection, disturbing.
"Interesting spin on plausible deniability."
Indeed.
If I recall the sequence of events correctly, Google said they "inadvertently" collected private data. This position became untenable with the simple construct of a young lady disrobing in her bathroom with the window blinds open. As Senator Goldfarb might say "So Mr.Google, at what point exactly in your data collection activities, did you decide to not avert your eyes from the bathroom window?"
Then it became, well these were "unsecured" networks where emails, IP addresses etc. were looked at & recorded. Senator Goldfarb again, "Ah, I see. So Mr. Google, your position is that because the window blinds were not closed the young lady had no expectation of privacy in her own home. That it's her fault, really." Which is of course, the same position a caught thief would take in court explaing how he was walking down the sidewalk minding his own business and saw the shiny bauble in the yard and took it because it was "unsecured".
It is interesting to watch them twist...LOL.
The thing is, these are static snapshots. Just as the GPS held in the hand of a census worker does no good if the occupant moves the next day after filling out the form or the building burns down.
What they think they know may not be reality at all. Maybe I can help them ;-)
Most people develop mistrust of someone or something that continually asks probing personal questions and peers over their backyard fence at all hours of the night & day...LOL.
Great stuff Knukles.
Remember, "don't be evil."
"Clusty" bitchez...
And as I've noted before on ZH today. Commodities are rising, the market is seriously nervous. Question is, should something occur, which nations will group together? Not an easy question. Ps. Those BIDU puts i bought two days ago are looking really great at the moment - not!
Yes, there is no problem with google in China at present. If anything, it's improved. Last few months typing in google.com re-routed you to google.com.hk (still worked fine). Now they have reinstated the google.com.cn domain.
they probably don't want chin lee sixpack watching j6p eat bbq ribs poolside watching bigscreen guzzling imported beer with the big boobed mrs. and wondering why he works 15 hrs a day for a piece of rice filled tripe and washing it down with a thimble full of sewer water.
Buzz, you are very close. Allow me to adjust your comment.
Now, we have a much more plausible speculation.
This is very consistent with Chinese culture.
Goggle slapped China in the face whan they claimed China was monitoring user accounts. In reality, Google may have abandoned this market since they were having their ass handed to them by Baidu. Know one knows for sure, but all in all, this was an embarassing moment for China.
China invited Google back, thus "saving face" in the public eye. But now that the news media has rolled to the next idiotic story (AZ Immigration!), China can act with impunity.
It's kind of like your girlfriend dumping you, and then you win her back so you can dump HER.
I may be wrong, but this is how I see it.
Washington (in a move discussed earlier on ZH) has responded by deporting all Chinese Food Restaurantuers. Obummer at a Press Conference is quoted as saying, "This is a bit more drastic than our earlier culinary move to Freedom Fries, but someone had to make a move that was very serious at this juncture of the contest."
It remains to be seen if China will indeed eject all McDonald's as a rumored countermeasure.
Or if the contest will go nuclear; that would mean the closing of all Wal-Marts (Chi-Com Mil asset) and the end of cheap dreck for der USSA.
Dreck futures are trading lower on the Nikkei and the Topix.
Hey Google how'd that bending over for China work out for you?
Google get your ass inside and make the CIA some corn muffins. -Larry Page
Ray McGovern, former CIA official, discusses Cyber-War, Pak/Af and Taliban, the intelligence budget, and Iran on Jones today.
http://www.youtube.com/user/fairinfowar#p/c/4669C8C8C381C718/14/PRcDWyiC6Ks
China In Focus - Number 20
China vs Google: Risky-Business and Cyber-War
January 28, 2010 | Editor Al Santoli
http://www.asiaamerica.org/publications/cif/cif-20-2010.htm
Rebel "Bitchez" in the forbidden city .............
Pissing contest ?? haha, headline of the year.
Chinese govt should learn hard from US govt on how to brainwash and censor smartly.
+ 100 ..
You actually think that the US Government is doing that smartly?
Ha !
The segment of the population who is manipulated smartly (as you phrase it) by the US Government are equally susceptible to being manipulated smartly by the likes of Ronald McDonald, the Sham Wow guy & Barny, the purple dinosaur.
In fact, Ronald, the Sham Wow Guy & the purple dinosaur are succeeding far more successfully than the US Government ever will.
The US Government is FAILING at EVERY level that you can objectively assess them at.
btw, after 5+ yrs GOOGLE is still a loser in Chinese search market.
so, why bother?
bingo.
Coming soon to a computer near you...
Google is but a pack of evil, ravenous information gluttons. They want to own and control every last shred of it.
All your information are belong to us.
Vampire squid.
Good for you, China.
All search engines belong to the state.
How long before Bidu is denied access to the US?
Speaking of baidu, there's some crazy stuff going on in China over the blocking of Falun Gong whose followers are possibly the victims stuck between a con artist leader and a very harsh government. Just listen to their cult leader sale his gifts of power to people eager for a fast-food religion:
http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/LecturePart.wmv
Hah, upon further investigation, apparently this large and growing cult is censored by the Chinese because of its involvement with our CIA-front organizations such as NED.
Nice to see they're not playing the fools.
Is censorship okay when it's aimed at shadow organisations?
That was mysterious...
Concurr wholeheartedly.
ref my previous comments 49524, 49548
Sounds like an illegal tariff under WTO rules. Would Chinese government officials feel at all ackward having to argue censorship? Probably not.
Within Mainland China, one still has access to Google Hong Kong.
That hasn't changed.
Hahahaa . . . got NSA, Bitchez?!
Maybe GOOG's Schmidt can get with his buddy Obama to round up some SEIU thugs to protest China. that'll show'em
In 400 years from now, when students are reading about world history (in Mandarin), the books will be full of examples and illustrations of how the western powers (namely the USA) didn't realize that the nature of warfare had changed... to that of an economic one.
There will be plenty of examples of how globalization resulted in transfer... not only of technology, but also of food production, intellectual capital and economic power.
We in the west think that capitalism = democracy... well the PRC is proving that capitalism also = communist system. Human rights at best works most of the time to some extent in the West (the best of the worst systems), but in China, you either comply or are erased.
We've created our own problem.
false story. google computer glitch
http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/29/google-confirms-were-not-currently-bloc...
real story how clueless and unprofessional the financial newswires were in covering this. one look at twitter before publishing and they would have known that no humans in china were seeing any problems
then again, the driving narrative here and elsewhere makes the facts in this case irrelevant
I agree. I've just been emailing my daughter who's in Shanghai using gmail. She says google is working fine except that she can't get on facebook.
Tell her to google freegate VPN - free software that enables facebook/youtube access no problems. And yes, google is working fine in China...
Doesn't rotate fast enough and it gets capped too fast. Just setup circumventor or subscribe to their free proxies setup by assholes like me. I rent cheap server space all over the place, attach a cheap URL and volia. access to those trapped before the web filters get updated.
It's a cheap and fun hobby that costs less than $400 a year to keep people in the know. BTW ZH is blocked as part of the subscription for most of the overseas filter programs sold and in many fed gov dept's. Either that or it gets flaged as investigate. Good thing most IT staff are understanding with Tyler's intentions along with Mish otherwise both would be dead at the firewall filter. (seriously fellow geek, look at the shit list on the filters ZH and Mish are in there, we should complain vigouriously or just jam their support lines and throw their curry shops into cost overruns)
I'm guessing Tyler pissed off a couple of people.
Not sure - I'm not tech-savvy enough to setup circumventor I don't think, but freegate I've found to work fine in China. One mouse click, unimpeded access. A little slow, but if there is a good program posted on youtube et al it's worth it.
china is getting nervous as it's been covering up a woeful export trade figure. 1st aug 2010 is when china reveals it's pmi, leaks should come in prior and it's apparently bad. in simple terms china's earning capacity is shrinking. so they are acting a little irrational.
watch for PboC head asking europe to stop the austerity and keep spending. the writing is on the wall...
Crass unabashed music promotion of a friends great song ....
Babylon Falls
Whoa! China is NSA cock block!
My apologies for the OT post.
Oh for God's sake. Check out the NYT website. What takes the most prominent position? (i.e. "front page above the fold, if you will)
"Ellen DeGeneres Leaving American Idol"
The grey lady has gone down.
Glitch, may be. I can still access Google at the moment.
Dumped - Mended - what else? I watch for Act 3. There may be a bigger headline of the year than "pissing" brewing.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179008/Five_reasons_why_China_wi...
Culture? Access to citizenry is exclusive domain for official...innovative new tech, hurray!
Fascists dont like communists? Hum. Communism is for the masses; not for the elite.
Cheers,
Google working on the behalf of US government has been collecting data inside of China. This is why China will no longer allow Google access.
As a Canadian ...I can't believe this but it has to be said...
USA!! USA!! USA!!
Sorry, had to be done. China as far as I'm concerned on their efforts to involve BIDU a tiny piece of crap search engine with the exact same abilities of highway61.com, versus Google which is slowly developing it's muscle and flexing it. At this point in time BIDU is the new grown infant that still needs mom's tit, Google has just turned 18 and can fend for itself.
Fuck China and their shitty reverse enginered ideas. Just because someone steals 80% of the code doesn't mean they have any clue why it relates to the 20% of the creativity that developed it.
btw...I just have to say this again...
USA!! USA!! USA!!
China can suck a cock.
Well I don't know about China.
But it's clear about you.
You do.
Hey, everyone falls on a proverbial cock many times in their lives David449420,
Can I just call you David? Or would I interfere in your carefully selected name and offend you, possibly causing a phone call to your mother about how her precious snowflake of a son was hurt on the internet? Were you saving that spam account for a while? because I seriously never seen you around here in lurking or posting.
I feel that if "I Raff I Roose" in this situation.
If anything BIDU as a company is a dump hole in a country it wishes it had the same level of insanity/crooks/brillance to actually create an IT industry. Instead of parroting and failing miserably in producing anything that remotely looks like Google, functions like google or behaves like a search engine. There are 8th graders in Canada that can write better code to index a database of pet names than China develops to index an entire country with all the money that can be printed and man power used.
Single reason. Government Silo's and the pissing contests that come with each other. China is just as retarded as every other country out there. They might as well ignored the wheel as an invention for all the good it did them.
I bet a beer that BIDU is being cursed at by a Chinese government "civil" servant right now because they can cross reference anything or find similar or even close too information regarding something they are working on.
China should stick to what it's good at. Making cheap knock off crap and buying junk bond and pretending they are investment grade material for the future of it's people while ignoring food distribution problems and civil unrest. Trust me, with a nominal number in the billion and (cough) half, it should be easy to cap all those hungry mouths with more news about fighting the mole hill with the full force of a bankrupted civil service.
until the civil service/army understands they don't get paid anymore...well, maybe in food...unless that runs out, since that's never happened in China (chuckle) you should have no problem with your investments in BIDU.
Carry on.
Could you say that in English, please?
...
Kai-Fu Lee Lecture: Google in China - Feb 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgDGNPnb124
Googwel no pay me wicensing hee.
Let them get their information from Baidu. The little monkeys with yellow teeth, hepatitis, bath houses (read whorehouses) and no soap in their public restrooms (I mean the public restrooms you can find within a thousand square mile radius) can worship at the feet of Hu Jintao while he counts his profits from the colonial style raping of Africa. Does anyone feel threatened by a country that is afraid what its own populous will do to them if they know the truth, when 95% to them already know the truth.
Grow-up people and get over your "boogeyman" fear of the Chinese. I'm not afraid of people who take a bath once every 10 days.
Lieberman probably envies this latest move by China, as well.
There always seems to be some posts about China being non-innovative, dirty etc. Well, nobody would've been after 50+ years of pure communist reign. But history lesson of the day:
1. While people in Europe were dying from the plague because of bad hygiene, the chinese were taking baths daily
2. Chinese inventions:
- Gunpowder
- Printing
- Compass
Innovation is never high in dark government controlled eras of a nation. The USSR should probably watch out
Fluff my friend, fluff that cock.
Agreed.
Plus, East Asians are hands down kicking our asses right now in technology and innovation.
I found this explains the only reason China is not dumping dollars and is keeping us on life support:
http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20100716/00137278ce1c0da...
See? Notice the gold? They actually believe we still have all the gold we say we have!!! Hahaha!!!
"2. Chinese inventions:
- Gunpowder
- Printing
- Compass"
I retort with American inventions:
-Nuclear bombs
-Internet
-GPS
I think we beat em' there
America does not have a monopoly on innovation. A lot of the “America invention” you spoke of has a lot of foreign hands in them. China’s problem isn’t brain power. They are already leader in high speed train. Their problem is somewhere else. If they can fix those problem, who knows? We’ll see.
I agree their problem is they don't have much brains at all.
Leader in high-speed train??
*cough* Deutscheland *cough* (sic)
Google took a stand for freedom against Fascist (oops, I mean Communist) China. Google is dead in China. Long live Google
Tyler, you totally fell for it. No one is perfect.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-07/30/content_11075089.htm
Turns out Google was just making more shiet up to throw at China.